and also went to romania, georgia and law though they have in common stands or is they are on the regime change menu. to discuss these issues and more of joined by my guess, jordan, samuel in budapest, he's a broadcast where the cannibal, which can be found on youtube and locals and assembled across the techniques. there was a lot of, he is a historian and political commentator, or a gentleman crossed up rules in effect that means can jump any time you want, and i always appreciate it. all right, let's kick it off with george and in budapest, you know, georgia is the, the closer we get to and all your ration day. when the more we hear from the trump administer a trumpet transition team. it sounds more and more like the continuity of biden's foreign policy. i mean with particularly when it comes to ukraine, it may affect the kind of going to it's the cleaning exception may be, is it saying it's just a baby? so there's an enormous amount of continuity, and we'll talk about some of the, the cast of characters of the circuit surrounded himself with the i have to say, like i said in the beginning of the program, elections have consequences, but it doesn't seem like it comes to these consequential elections are reflected in

personnel policy men anyway, go ahead george. hey, i agree with you peter. and um, when, when, when the consider is, what was the recent pronouncements of the president elect from. so it's very much the case. so let's just say continue with the, with the, by the administration, and maybe even a little bit more. all the native leaders who have spoken to trump in a recent week since the his election victory a little said i'm very confident the trump will continue with this policy chancellor show just a few days ago and spoke to him as well. yeah, i think he's good to continue with this policy. and then there was a recent article in the financial times says that the world trump intends to maintain the same levels of are they always maintain the levels of the aid to

ukraine as the a by them is vision. and then on top of that, he wants the nato member states to increase the defense spending to 5 percent of the g. d p. now was that would suggest the trump. and i think what was known about this is that he is very much within the washington consensus show when he is running for office. he knows these base, he knows that those billy with, within the republican party, there is indeed a very strong, non interventionist. let's focus on america of wing. any place to that with one c is the once he's one of the nomination, once he is in office, the kind of a band and all that and the low, he has these things like, well, i think we're going to withdrawal from the world health organization. you know, maybe withdrawal from the united nations and you know, this is stuff that goes well because the washington consensus, it paints any kind of restrictions on us bald is here, but fundamentally,

he maintains the, uh, the state this quote being washington did that um, during his 1st, um, it was low integration with the intensive break it down. yeah it's, i think it's kind of interesting because what we attached to donald trump, since we've known him almost a decade now in public politics. it's amazing when you think about it. he didn't start any new wars, and that's true, but he seems to be cho installed, ending on war. and i think that this is something that he's gonna fall short of. the biggest problem here, isn't it? it seems like it's a one way conversation. we keep hearing about cease fire is and delayed nato membership, but nobody's consulting the russians with this bible hasn't talked to a poodle. i'm blank, blank, and it hasn't talked a lot profit beyond a prisoner exchanges over the last few years. mean, rush isn't in the look,

how can you end to comp, like the one party in the conflict isn't in the look. go ahead and then i assembled me, but i, i would have to thoughts on, on this a. so right. one is a little because this is like the 20th 21st of of december, right? 22nd 22nd to i'd say them already. oh my god. so close to christmas. so look that we have not even a month and 2 in all of your ration right. this is the 20th of january and i see oakland street the and george absolutely. and to may very, but it'd be right in the end. but i do think that we don't know yet, and we've been know sometime in the screen, we can only begin to really know after trends. integration serve reasons by this has not yet to be something you can fully assess. now to the individual plans. you 1st look the black shows and brought to a router or whatever, you know, they have an input bias. they have an interest to title, avail,

audiences that everything is fine. it's cool and nothing bad is really happening and sort of the landscape by the way, right? so that evidence doesn't take us that far. i take your point that we haven't yet gotten from trump is clear seeing that. so he's really going to do it. but he promise, namely, let's not talk about 24 hours. it's a c my. but namely make peace quickly and in essence, we all understand by increasing pressure finally on kids and taking this sort of veto power away from kids. the whole best word has to be a little bit frustrated in directly. and only kids alone can decide when that stops at some insane situations that we've been living with for many years. right now. i personally am still more often mistake then the 2 of you seem to be, i admit that i think it's possible that these still see major move on the,

on the ending. the floor now is as one second point that i would like to base intending i'd stop. because if you're right, it just costs a boat and trump then, you know, turns us on around turn it into to, to black to move the other nato members into pain more. and then continue u. s. military or financial support for ukraine or both. then of course, trump is in for bay, but surprise, because then russia, if you keep trying to and the outcome will be even worse for ukraine and the rest in the a cool, i mean, george a, again, you know, um, ending the war. let's say we have to meet with you wherever of all fanatics about words this program ending the works. how can, how would that be different than russia? it has to surrender media. and then i think this is the same mindset. yeah, the war will come to an end when russian surrenders, i think that's with help. that's the real deal. i can't see. i'm given the people

that it has around it from given his 1st administration. tim can see that they can think of it differently. george, i don't see. so big goes and this is what goes like what i was saying about the worst thing. are you agreeing or disagreeing with, oh i, i agree completely with the assessment that was given. that's um, really the washington, this is pretty much of bipartisan but for a few got a mega america. first. those among the house republicans conference. the washington consensus is russia of the bad guys rush. it needs to be stop booted in is uh is another hipaa. and um, anything that can, that can seem to be a um, a victory for hipaa, which means victory for a potent where is a total of disaster. and it has to be avoid that. another company is known as these though he knows his constrains and you know, and we saw in the, the uh,

the last week when uh, you know, he was just dealing with his own, uh, republican quote, cuz i'm on the, on a budget or a master. despite the fact that he is just the one this massive of election victory, they just opened a defined him, but just refused to do what do you want them to do? and you can see the same thing is gonna have a new phone post and there is even stronger the opposition to him is even stronger . so if he were to do and you would have to do, you have to be braving this. i mean for him, because ultimately the thing is to reset. the only way this comes to an end is if you tells the landscape the jig is up, there's no more money. we're not going to do this. um, you know, you, you have to sit down to the table and work something out with, with boats in, on the basis of what's going on on the lines right now. not on something else. so you're ready to go think now from this isn't ways thinking along those lines and is that is made clear that he intends to maintain that washington. that says,

is that when you look up, leave the people that he is pick i. it's hard to discern, anyone, the go would be the opposite. who would say to him, look, you know, it's, it's time to bring this to him in. on the contrary, these old people walking on the same page as the by the ministration. yeah, this has been very good. i mean, even the last thing um was the end of releasing the any restraints on the use of the attack comes, you know, his own people said yeah we, we, we agree with this policy. i am so upset though, i don't, but the people around him said yeah, buddy guy, do you know teddy again words, matt or any um to ended. conflict is one thing, but to achieve peace is another and that's another disconnect. and we come from the discourse, not only from the transition team, but from the what is famously called the foreign policy blog. words do man,

go ahead and take me. yeah, look um i, i totally agree they the at that she bring peace in the force ends up the word and that this is over. um nobody's gonna start again z ukrainians as well, or the accepted results for the future. unlimited need. and then one can actually, can we, bill normally can nomic relations and so on. but, you know, all parties concerned that i think is busy, extremely difficult. i totally agree. now, however, it is to i believe that it is possible and this has happened before after long history. is that and stop fighting this out, getting to that sort of peace, that is a place that looks like that, right? so to, to return to that question, click the add to manage to stop fighting. i don't quite agree that there are no people around trump who defend from the bye didn't consensus, which i think george should have laid out very, very by the end. it's all it's fanaticism and simple minded, unnecessary, opposite the right there. but look, the topic, gilbert, director of intelligence,

the j. d. barnes. yes, i know the vice president is just the vice president, but even if you look like he's kind of the designated ukraine and boy kelp is very complicated. i think i'm bigger us and then google and figure out at this point, right, that comes, we've talked about this before. it goes back to the paper, you publish to the fleets of flight rather, but talking about what one could do, and which most is we have combination of all we really want to talk to russian take them seriously. but we also want to as the on even more, right, and we've cut out, you can never apply to your has condemned. and i think this content is too, too much, but the, it has spoken against the summation of to results. but she didn't have to do that. and i think that um the, the house on the other hand repeated stupid assessments of process losses when you don't know, does he actually believes that or is he trying to make up again,

the points we don't know yet. but i do think that the, if your argument is that these people think executive of ways that the worst by dom this does think, right. i guess, i guess we have coming from. but i don't quite agree. i think they are a bit different. but i agree with you. yeah, but i mean, if i say it, because i might be on it again, they may be it's, it's a splicing words here. i mean, the rhetoric can be slightly different. i agree with new, but the outcome in the policy is not significantly different. it at the end of the day, gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here and we're going to go to a break. and after that break, we'll continue our discussion on some real new stay with r t. the . the

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those thoughts on mortgage. how did the dramatic events unfold? and how is block a recovering from years of bloody conflict? watch on. see the welcome back across the bullhorn to are all things are considered. i'm funeral about here, we're discussing some real news and i'm going to go to take on this one of come up with a phrase originating change menu and a currently on the menu, the seasons menu, we have a romania, moldova, in georgia. without, you know, keeping my hands here, do you like that phrase regime change menu? go ahead a yes. and for some of the, i think it's a back up phrase because the, you know, that's what happens in the west and what happens between most of washington, libya to call the shots on this as on everything. and you know, busing, things,

clients on the bus. so they have these, these, these seasons that's up in states uh sort of slow to, well having that was even change happen. and sometimes who got a surprise, which is like saying, you know, which was the heart of that surprise in many ways i thing. but as a conduct a did you change suddenly and, and unfortunately succeeded now, um, i believe if you ask me about this particular menu model of, uh, ukraine, georgia, i think you mentioned dried and ukraine. of course it is a special case because they have to sort of solidify the redeem change they've already done right. so if you look at the 2 cases, whether you still want to have a resumed change or getting moved over to solidify it, remain yourself pause. romania, georgia, the i think georgia is there already. losing, frankly, i think i, i understand that the solemn is over, but it's really still holding on that the us still sending the main signal,

but i think drugs as they have already lost. i think joy rumania, they have unfortunately one and a bit of them to be continuing and i think one really yeah, but i think, i mean what, what do you mean by winning they, they get their way. but to me and the me to which they one is dubious that, of course, it's terrible. absolutely. what happened in georgia is a cool. i mean, even though it should be like this, you know, is extremely this information based on thing. even they admit that the evidence that the constitution i'm caught in romania used to the knowledge the whole election wasn't leveretts' feelings, the, the work of the secret service of the sloppy and unprofessional. even they admit that the worst thing about this is of if i may say that, that they're already beginning to use it as a precedent. the cover fred xander from maine. yeah. i called you on this. i think has been to the recent big you had meeting brussard and he basically told them, you know, what, they will be able to revise, soccer sort of influence,

which is called off for we have no evidence at all. right? that is the strength of sizing, and we stopped it and you know about the next case is going to be, you told them it's going to be drum and that you have to be very careful. so we are now in this world, we have them making a claim that as soon as the intelligent surfaces say something you can basically forget about elections. and one last point, this is of course what people wanted to do to trump in 2010 or 2016, but i'm getting confused to 2010, right? i think whatever it was, i'll tell you like that anyway. yeah, yeah. but this, this was the whole idea of the original a rush, a gates of us, of age scenario, right? right to metal goes into v to assess the intelligence community. suddenly that was a theory has decided this is the proper procedure. everything was wrong. and then we can top of the prize of them in america and for it fortunately, it didn't work,

but the still on the same sort of trajectory that trying to train us into accepting that. but ultimately it wasn't loaded and said even fee to. yeah, let me throw it to just one word you haven't mentioned in this part of the program is democracy your pay and that we see democracy subverted laughter in different ways. obviously in moldova disenfranchising, hundreds of thousands of voters in the diaspora, and it was all, it is called good. okay. even though the mold opens in the west that you have the asper, and we're able to vote in multiple places they, they ask for, in russia were denied. and that, essentially, but teddy cuz oh, right, i mean on this menu here, there's a winner. and lease is where speaking now and it's georgia. romania is probably the most. it's problematic one because it's in the club. and now you have, you know, brussels, a genuine flat thing to that, teddy because absolutely right now the, the elections in germany well being are, we can't prove it. and i just said,

so they, i just feel there was something wrong. we've got to cancel it. george poplar said that's exactly right because what happens is now in the west is whenever the election results don't go your way and that's a good be kind of, he didn't go mean many places you. so a russia. and then of course, the next step is where, okay, well, what's your evidence that russia, in defeat and rough effect, the, the election outcome? well, we don't have any evidence, but that doesn't mean that the russian didn't. and just see if that was the effect stated by a romanian press. then your highness said yeah, well we know the rushing to fit in the remaining and election, but it's very hard to find any evidence because the russians are so cunning and so subtle. and d b is that we don't have the evidence, so it really does raise the, the interesting philosophical question. if a tree falls in the forest, and there's no one there to hear it, does it make a noise?

and that's the view within uh, the women into a native land which is, well, just because there's no evidence of russian interference. does that mean that there was no russian interest here and so of, and now this, this is what the you and they do it. and they have to concern themselves because you've talked about the 3 countries that are on the regime change menu, but they're going to be more elections of 2025 elections in bo gary elections in the czech republic. and therefore, we know that the whole of our route is going to go into action because they can't guarantee these election vickers any. what they know perfectly well that they stole the election in mold though it just as, as you said, that the people leave the, the, the ask for in a, russia was unable to vote and says, even the final outcomes was very close. then the question that they've had, they've been able to vote then you know, bias on do what i've lost. and so,

and then this now is what we, what, how they operate. and now i, i agree with you. it does look like they have prevailed in uh, in georgia. i live in georgia, but we're, obviously, they have both quite a lot of experience already with the regime change. and so they, they, they've managed sofa to hold fun. but this, this really is how they go they, they offer it to you because ultimately they, that's the consensus that they represent, you know, well the most up on the line and kaya carlos and the rest of it just there on know by, as it was within the u. s. oh, yeah, interesting. very soviet attendance outlook because you know, absolutely existing socialism. you can now reverse from it even if it's a one way direction. and they have the same kind of a bolshevik mentality about their belief system and how the app are out there is built to reinforce it and also to attend it. because i think it's really important

government your, you know, the default position is it russian interference. but in, in plain sight, it's e u interference, left private. or, i mean there's it in the cafe. so these capital city use the legs the oh, the do very specific things, like in the case of georgia, for instance, the essentially threatened georgian voters, it's the reverse of via downgrading of the visa possibilities. so it doesn't look very clear case of black made in the miles of the population really into a certain voting decision, right. the other thing is that i wanted to add this, i think draft supervisors something sort of like the list of the from the learning progression. you've talked for it, right? you can do it in the tube, it can put some kind of cut out. but it's even worse because you can't even discuss best on both. the camp inside actually means this is interesting because the georgia dream. thank you. a good school in in romania they both actually have stressed that they don't really want to break this. they do you that in reality it

go that's caused by explicit about this. what he wants is and it comes with the actual shape very he can cuz there are 4 main embarrassment interests. now, george and 3 and very much the same statements and they both believe it, but you can argue about, but these governments and parties indeed us understand, but national interest, but that's always the case. so what you have to know from the you was not only is that you must stay here, it's really fine. board is here and there's only one way it's, it was still up on the line kind of call us, you know, the average. and also lurking always in the background, george for these countries that were mentioning romania, moldova, in georgia, is what's going on and ukraine, and that's on smoking sort. it is unspoken, then because it gives you the case of, of both 3. they're very close to where the action is. so the most belligerent rhetoric is coming from those countries that are far away from the

action. so the british government, it's the most belly cose. but then we are a long way from the action. you know, then you the government's ending in a, in, in the been, it looks, you know, they're also very bill. it goes and, but when you get to romania, romania this is goes a bit a on hub transferring weapon rate into ukraine. that's it. that's a very serious business because if they with the war is the brain escalates and becomes a serious um world between russia and nato. romania is going to be in the front line of the actual same goes a little hungry in slovakia. so when you look at the, the map is the countries that are really very, very close. and we know that if there's a will we get covered badly. the other ones were saying, look, knock it off. this is a really bad i do. and therefore, the ones who get have to get punished um and it goes victor or bomb of hungary. i

mean, he's permanently in the process that pull. that's what i'm trying to promote. opponents of his. and i think verbally, there is an interesting case because the legal part is there have a problem on their hands because they, they said we're going to hold a new elections. um, but it's a whole new elections. and jo jessica is going away. and i mean like, like trump, if you try to make sure he doesn't when he's going to come back and he's going to be stronger than ever, and remaining, and ortho or differently. you and nathan know this. and so what are the going to do it? well, the only thing they can do is ultimate is just tell him you've gone wrong, you know, they just keep him off the ballot because now you know, otherwise they're back to where they saw the so that the, you need to have a lot of problems on their hands and ultimately as with breast you have is, all you can do is remove them from file and put them in prison because there's no, no other remedy. you know, it's very interesting in general,

and actually remember after the briggs in boats in 2016 and all of these up ads and editorials that one particularly stands out in mind. the economists, we have too much democracy. there's too much democracy in, in the western world on that obviously the, the meaning of that is that if you give people the, the, the last thing people have in the west, but you've taken everything away from, you've shuddered the middle class, one thing they have the left is the franchise and they're going to start and they are taking away the lead from them there as well. the beacon of democracy is no longer the west. maybe it never was or a gentleman that's all the time. we have a one, i think my guess in budapest and assemble. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here or to see you next time. remember, my stuff was the,

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