because roberts feed, so it's just a 3rd high ranking european politician to travel to moscow since the start of the ukraine conflict. you've been leading at all it. but why is he risking brussels box flush to do that? you know, it's, uh, you know, been, you know, i think this time they have to on those somebody, those of you have been, you know, months uh they are uh, goals these, the, some gone through use. they have some national police in some responsibility to that. people know to the europe in new york, you and you're not really. and this was, that's always a good and the logical sped from the, from the, our prime minister to the site and go to resolve the results. ok. no reminder from the europe and you don't need those to be is it in the most part that i to speak with them. the me start me supporting. i think it's up to the rest you know up. so the logic outs and the people and sort of like, yeah, i mean, people sort of look at these are so important to know boy edition, for mobilization sites, people. so i can understand very well. i mean uh as the way if you were to go nice

our, our statements in our newspaper, i be. ready not including, not including political is political statements, all positions people, so like uh, almost supplement, the step and dimension. okay. we need government assigned. these will be responsible for us both for the europe in union topics. that's very interesting because the so like prime minister described this meeting with lot him or put in as a quote, strong response to planning or zalinski i wanted to put to is not a familiar sentiment in your country. as you've just been saying, the people there appear to appear to understand politics better than perhaps some of the leads do in the, in the you that they need to keep warm this winter. they want to put their own right son, desires, and sentiments 1st. but how is that going to go down and do think in brussels. ok, you know, we are a member of europe in, you know, this is not so great that we are a member of nato, is the no secret as well. everybody knows about this,

but we are still i mean i would apply additional government doesn't matter which kind of government we have. but still nowadays government is today's policy both. ready or prophy the slovak yeah, we are up to the end up and then counseling and executive will be not the really difficult situation for primary set of all so many studies for all my god and government. if they build speaking the european union, because in the pressure from the european union leader of europe and call me somebody, be buddy very strong. but doesn't matter about these be outta here or organization and government people theater, for, as i mentioned, i'd have to repeat again. well that people know that for the profit of europe in union, this is not so important for the people in so i can from the for example, from the spot. you didn't mention them. ok if you had to go up and you and you on, you have to be happy, doesn't matter if you don't have, don't have money for something but you have to be because they remember be up in union. no, we have to steal organized balance between the,

between our membership and our interest in our enters. now, is it cool but a to be supported countries? we just need you to are the, to the whole sort something is will be from both side. i mean from both sides, it will be a economic appropriate from that. for example, i think is important for the initial side as well to go. but maybe some gone pretty from european union, doesn't matter. it'd be talking about. so look at which calls these 5 and i'll be no people, but still the people sign, remember, and i would agree story, you know, is very, very strong and very, very close. remember what happened after the 2nd part of or yeah, we are very, we already had before these. we had a very happy the school, but it shouldn't be addressed on side. and people remember this one. exactly. we have to speak probably more importantly, motorized for them to be. so you've been that ation to explain them something from that you study got pointed to because a story is so important for the future and the neat, i mean very open future. these oregon doesn't want to be just ready to go,

but to be some of the better, for example, but do be difficult from outside dimension. no of you have nothing to do because we are a member of the unit executives. i mention you have been, you know, lead that was to be sure. oh absolutely. and they got people lives and they got to be able to these, these kinds of is it from the parameters that are about fits of still, you know, this is only relation even see how will be the next steps we are. but the other people and these people use programmable to solve it multiple during his visit. our people have been more than happy to show it because this is practical. but i think also what i thought. so, you know, this was on many, many interesting remarks by the prime minister as well, especially bringing up the point. what right does he have have to influence russian gas exports to europe. it's, it's a fitting question, isn't that?

yeah, absolutely, absolutely. can you imagine if it's, if anybody know, in the all kinds of ways or even between the ukrainian or russian and gosh, from call and just finish night, the 2039. and, but there's still 2 besides who stop it's all about. so that the urban complex. but this is some kind of up to me personally, not very personally do some game between ukraine and europe in the european union leaders of some close close game. and this is the problem is that he's on the use, the feeling from the presence of landscape to be strong. do reprice to selectively influence the influence impressed with the flux lock. uh select 46 because this is absolutely not accept the real estate to day. i was like police, it's about the society for that was on 3 because as i mentioned, i have to rebuilding the country. so an independent company are responsible for all kinds of decisions. doesn't matter. that was it. when i got the, you know, a government bill bill people from so like. ready they will, the government know,

do brain leaders need revenue? normally there's our government. this is fully responsible because i know it's very difficult for the best companies. it will be $52.00, but i to speak about democracy because they, i like it so much a lot of democracy. but if something happened different than that, then is they bring you, they are very, very, very, very unhappy. you see, and there were many of us in the georgia that i'm now just about, you know, but they have to get stronger more more. mm hm. i mean, politician, i will get some pretty strong. i do, but i've seen the mall nationality then. then internationally. if you understand me what they will they have to mention. yeah, no, absolutely. can i just put a final point to a bite? yes. benefits from ukraine's refusal to supply russian gas who gains this is up. so it's a very good question. think of what am up for this question because it's easy,

honestly, you know, from business i'm at b because the question is very good and very easy. exactly. this come best gone through. so this companies can you imagine how is on the how isn't. ready is 5 to organize business, discuss which company is on the side to put all kind of full of as much, you know, data data up and down, 3 us a friend, different kinds of convers from the steel, the best, because it's business, you know, and this is questionable to some kind of, of the say, uh, some kind of interest me and obviously that is between, between the, between best companies they have to, they have to, it's still a go, but it shouldn't be that upside down thing. so it's not good in the future. we will see everybody now prevention into the future suddenly that it removes busy than the most important and the future up to me personally will be many, many leaders on the line with the ready to me the most important that i to speak

with him about some kind of different kinds of economic talk over a sense, these kind of 40 see from the european union. i'm, but a great it goes now is not really bought. some countries need what the, some companies waiting to come pick it up. and you know, this is not cable oh, you're of and you know, benefits do this again, is ben if he's on the future for the union and people from the you yeah, diplomacy must prevail. and general, thank you so much for your time. your thoughts really in lightning, former director general of the slovak defense industries, foreign relations and legislation department, mr. joseph victoria, and many sites. thank you very much for the question and these questions for this. thank you, sir. appreciate. know us funded labs, experimenting in bio weapon research ukraine, very much as being the focus of such activity in recent years. but as we discover next, spend our exclusive interview with a former health minister of indonesia, the controversial auctions. truly arc of

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the hello and welcome to cross the full force. here we discuss the wheel in the left of this am i? yeah, let me get this. in fact, numbers, cooperation was between the minister of health and the american ambassador during the seventy's and naval medical research unit number 2 came into existence. then at the time the health minister was professor c with bessie and he asked for american

help to overcome the bonnet, plague and boy slowly. number one was given permission to say i want to help, but i want to be here for 10 years from the seventy's to the eighty's. after the eighty's nam room had no status. it was dateless. i became health minister in 2004, and i was shocked to know that nam ru was state list. it was already terminated in 1980, in 2001. there was one minister who recognized the existence of nam route. but the 1st agreement was between the minister of health and the marines. in my opinion, this is a bit strange that these researchers were marines. if you enter indonesia as a diplomat, you leave indonesia a diplomat. we can't know what the marines bring. we can't understand what they bring from here or what they bring from outside to here. the side the lot. so if i say that number, who is conducting intelligence activities, of course,

i cannot prove it because intelligence activities are secretive by nature. so we can't talk about proving the work as intelligence, but i could sense that something was not transparent. it's covered up as if it's a health research activity. they said my staff could not keep up with the scientific development that they had. in other words, my staff were stupid. one mystery, i see a nam ru, is that the research is not as exciting as what other researchers from america come to do. research should be showcased or it should be a big deal, but i don't see that. i understand the reason nam room is working in indonesia is to focus on malaria and tuberculosis, but the research on malaria and tuberculosis has stayed the same. there's no progress at all. and then i saw that nam ru is in cooperation with the ministry of health, but i was unaware. it turns out that it has collaborations with universities. the last 2, perhaps it's so hard. every one is defending them route. they told me not to close

it down. all universities were defending its existence because it turned out they had received money for research and assistance for their doctoral programs. so i was and tagging ised by professors from all universities in indonesia. i have never seen them ru, up close. i wanted to see it, but i was turned away by the security guard. i am the minister of health. this land is my jurisdiction. i told him, and i never leased it to them room. why can't i go in if the land belongs to the ministry of health? why is the minister not allowed to enter? it's really strange and it turned out that to enter, you had to get permission from the american ambassador. more over. there is no agreement that this is owned by the american ambassador. it is land owned by the ministry of health. i don't remember renting it out. so why am i denied entry? and i was becoming more convinced that there was something unusual on the day of my visit. there were journalists there,

so they recorded the interactions. it took so long for us to go through the security until finally, the ambassador from the american embassy allowed it. so i was able to enter what we saw was like a normal laboratory. i closed nam route, october 16th 2009. it turned out that in the nam ru agreement clause between indonesia and the united states, there is a clause that stated that nam root can be closed as a unilateral cover. so i closed it unilaterally. the only one who can do that is the minister of health of the republic of indonesia. i use that clause, although my president at that time did not allow me to the when the bird flew, hit indonesia in 2005, we weren't able to diagnose the 1st case that appeared in the country nam rude. diagnosed it. now i was thinking how could nam room know that there would be bird flew in indonesia, which would be coming up

a demick. a primer is necessary for diagnosis. a primer that fits the birds affected. how come nam root already has one. that means nam root was already preparing right. ready for the primer before the birds lou came then when the 1st case arrived, nam root could diagnose this as bird flu. how funny, how do you know, how do you know that the 1st sick person should be examined using this primer? well, that's a big question for me. as a researcher, it means you know that the disease is coming to indonesia. that actually made a big impression on me. adams, if those countries must share samples with w h o, and more so now in the time of the cove and pandemic. cobit is called cobit 19 worldwide, but it shouldn't be. it should be called the stars cove to chinese strain. there's a source covey to indonesian strain a european strain, but they assisted all as if it was one strain and made a vaccine that was required worldwide. so the nomenclature was changed. in the past,

we had to deposit the virus with w h o. it turned out that what we submitted was for w h o to make vaccines. and then the vaccines are sold to us at a high price. i know how to make the vaccine using raw materials from viruses. so i protested and i banned it. if it's using my virus, i must have the right. my resolution at w h o one. because almost every country was behind me, including russia, which defended me because what i was facing was not w h o. it was america. it's really funny. so that's my life experience. it was very stressful because i thought i was facing the w h o, but it turned out that i was facing america. if people can make vaccines, they can certainly make the opposite, namely, biological weapons. that's where my suspicion lies. so i refused to send it again. that's it. i thought it was one thing to be brave,

but it turned out to be something that affected me. i have yet a d. i was once asked by a journalist from sputnik, did you know that there is an indonesian virus and ukraine? i replied, i didn't know. how could i know that? well, that might be the point of the link because may be h 5 in one. got there throughout indonesia. i'm just making connections. i have no proof now is there still a nam route? that's also a question. does nam room after i closed it operate under other shadow names but is actually name ruth. i think there are still some, but they might be in universities. it should be the minister of defense, who should be observant. right now i am nobody. i have no rights and my voice may not be heard. i think the minister of defense must be observant because in my opinion, the operation still exists. what i know is that non rule has sentinels and clinics

and hospitals, which always have to report, must submit specimens. i'm lucky, i didn't, i was very young. in the seventy's, i was a training. i was also told to make sample preparations from cases of babies with diarrhea, vomiting and fever. i was told to make samples and submit them to nam ro. i knew the name name removed from the seventy's during my studies as a medical student. well, it turned out that after i became minister of health, the samples continued to flow. it was just a month after i became the minister of health that i ordered to stop sending samples to name room at the end of this. yeah. so yes ma'am. room is operating. there is a number 12 and a number 9. the closest name route to indonesia is probably the one in cambodia which still exist. if it's dangerous for indonesia, i can't calculated. it's still the one who calculates it. and it seems that indonesia is defense is still emphasized on defense equipment and physical warfare

. in fact, in my opinion, the current war does not need to be a physical war, nuclear or virus. if the country cannot pursue its nuclear power, we must strengthen the virus. so this is something that we really have to examine if there is still nam route in cambodia. yes. cambodia and indonesia are actually almost the same climate. i think it is still quite dangerous for the as the on region without having to do something happened to me. coffee, the, for example, the cove and pandemic. when a pandemic hits, who are the ones that are making profits? it's big pharma. with the vaccine. then with all kinds of health supplies, the pcr tests, then the masks and the hospital medicines, the affected countries were forced to buy them even going into debt, especially vaccines. we spent 300 trillion on cove id, but where did the 300 trillion go to big pharma. if they organized, maybe saying,

if there is a pandemic, i will make a 1000 trillion and profit world wide, then i better make another pandemic, right? that, that's the evil of putting health in the free market, or in global capitalism. yes. in liberalization. well, the stakes our lives. if i create a pandemic, and then i make a profit, i will definitely create another pandemic now. pandemic, so are very easy in the past. a pandemic had to be proven by a virus mutation from animals to human insights through our yeah. typically the next steps are main, but so if nam room is closed, there will be a new cooperation. the new partnership is called indonesia united states center for medical research or are you see? but i was quickly dismissed because it was time to change ministers and the next minister didn't want to continue this. i you see cooperation. i don't know if we can't or what, because that's our agreement with the us government. we can open cooperative

research, but one that is transparent, fair and equitable. i will not allow a single laboratory that is controlled by them that refuses the minster entrance. what is that called level? if we work together, we work together. the chairman serves both sides. we organize this together and i do not accept the army. but if it's a researcher, it has to be a real researcher and it was approved. unfortunately, at that time, the r u. c was already structured. the planning had already happened, but then i stepped down as the new term began. so until now it has not happened. i was fortunate to close name route, but the i you see did not materialize. it's not my fault, it's the government's fault that i suddenly step down after 5 years as minister of health. if i yeah. my successors may not necessarily think like me. yeah, the dyslexia, what was he at that time then?

he was the president spokes person. and what is he basing it on saying it's beneficial if it's beneficial for health reasons? it's supposed to be the health minister who has the right to say, so for me, there is a reason that makes sense. especially for those marine researchers that we're free to enter from outside my country without being checked. then we don't know what's being done inside. and if the lab is leaking, then their armies can enter indonesia within a radius of several 100 kilometers. where is our sovereignty as a country? and i wonder why the generals who have been there are silent. it turns out that there is a clause that can stop unilaterally, namely the minister of health of the republic of indonesia. the other minister may not know how dangerous it is or did not care about indonesian sovereignty, or they think it is a fine movement even after 40 years of operation. so don't at this level. actually,

it's not like that in my book. but if you read the book, you must come to that conclusion, but there is no sentence where i accuse america of this or that, nothing i'm going to get at that time there was a lot of commotion. that's my book saying it is time for the world to think, then it was blown up by a journalist from australia. and by doing that, the minister of health of the republic of indonesia, accused america of being in cahoots with a w. h o to make biological weapons the well, it was me at that time. it's no joke. i was still minister and there was the issue of being banned by w h o and then by the president. but then the issue disappeared and even america was okay. he said there was an american minister of defense who said, no, no, it's okay in america, it's very democratic. people can say what they want. now it's even ok. but the book tells the story of how i fought against the unfair w h o policy and how the w h o will create a pen demik with the epicenter in town,

a caro. let's say it's like china is, will hon. i don't want it. and that's where i fight music. i thought back and it worked. so the pandemic did not occur with the epa center in indonesia. that's actually the extraordinary result of mr. s. b wise administration. but he also mentioned that i don't know, because no matter how much it offends america at that time, it was true. i was the one who protested to w h o u, i'm sorry. what i faced was america. i was really shocked, or is it still like that now? russia should know best and hopefully in the future it will be replaced by all the administrators from w h o. because now it is to expose to the power of money. yes, the w h o is not objective at all, not fair, and not transparent. maybe i'm wrong, but that's my view. and it jeopardizes the health of the whole world. it is so easy to say that there will be another pandemic. and another one, because the definition of pandemic has been changed. the international health

regulation 25 definition has been changed that pandemic and bioterrorism will not be very difficult to distinguish. that is dangerous. it will be very easy to create a pandemic. once there is a virus, it can be modified to become malignant and become a pandemic. mostly to modify the virus to become malignant is very easy. everyone can do it. yeah, yeah, that's it. that's what's dangerous right now. in the world of health care them with the sort of banality that actually w h o took the samples from us. we were told to deposit them. well, it was proven that the samples were made into vaccines. it's not impossible. i wrote in my book, it's not impossible if one can create vaccines, then one can also create biological weapons. and at that time, i'm screaming because there's a virus sequencing that belongs to me in a laboratory in new mexico called los alamos. at that time i was screaming how come

my virus sequencing is there? and then it was recognized, and then it was moved to the pentagon. now that strange to me that the virus was put in the military center. if the virus is in the military, then the connotation is it used for weapons. but if it's a virus in the ministry of health, then it's for medicine for, for vaccines. my way of thinking that might be considered accusatory in that direction. that as i say possibly get the most up to the asia pacific one is nam route 21. i once asked the number of staff why they are part of the american defense system. they should know about the diseases in asia pacific. maybe just in case there's a war there, maybe he already knows the diseases that will weaken their soldiers. they researched our diseases. so they are really afraid of diseases from countries like ours, tropical countries. they don't know. so they learn very well and prepare if there is a war or something. so the soldiers have been vaccinated 1st so they don't get sick

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stuff for the summer shift for the picture day such as you the show what to model happening with these kinds of what it means different this time next time and see if it's doesn't figure to testify this thing. and so with the concept, even though it was a new month, so i was unable to deal with most of the company and some brokerage developing bio chemical weapons inside ukraine. also the guns got too much noise on cheaper to use the white glove service cost, but he's because of the sandwiches.

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