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a bloody conflict. watch on. see the welcome. good prospect. bullhorn is where all the things are considered on people about elections have consequences. well, at least they should been coming from administration. looks a lot like the outgoing bite and administration when it comes. ukraine also went through romania, georgia and molto, but have in common? the answer is they are on the regime change menu to discuss these issues and more of joined by my guess towards samuel in budapest. he's a pod cast where the gamble, which can be found on youtube and locals, and assembled across the techniques are a lot of he is a historian and political commentator, or a gentleman cross that rules and effective means can jump any time you want. and i

always appreciate it. all right, let's kick it off with george and in budapest, you know, george is the, the closer we get to a knowledge the ration day. when the more we hear from the trump administer a trumpet transition team, it sounds more and more like the continuity of biden's foreign policy. i mean, it was particularly when it comes to ukraine. the very fact that kind of coined it, it's the ukrainian exception may be because the thing is it's just the baby. so there's an enormous amount of continuity. and we'll talk about some of the, the cast of characters of the. so the surrounded himself with the i have to say, like i said in the beginning of the program, elections have consequences, but it doesn't seem like it comes to these consequential elections are reflected in personnel policy min anyway, go ahead george. hey, i agree with you. b, sir and um, when, when, when the consider is, what was the recent uh, pronouncements of the president elect from so it's very much the case. so let's

just say continue with the, with the, by the station and maybe even a little bit more. all the native leaders who have spoken to trump in recent weeks since the his election victory hello said i'm very confident the trump will continue with this policy chunk of the show just a few days ago and spoke to him as well. yeah, i think he's good to continue with this problem say, and then there was a recent article in the financial times says that, well, trump intends to maintain the same levels of you always maintain the levels of the aid to ukraine as the a by them is vision and, and then on top of that, he wants the nato member states to increase the defense spending to 5 percent of g d p. now was that that would suggest the trump, and i think what was known about this is that he is very much within the washington

consensus show when he is running for office. he knows these base, he knows that those billy with, within the republican party, there is indeed a very strong, non interventionist. let's focus on america of wing. any place to that one. see is the once he's one of the nomination, once he is in office, the kind of a, a band and all that and a low, he has these things like, well, i think we're going to withdrawal from the world health organization. you know, maybe withdrawal from the united nations and you know, this is stuff that goes well because the washington consensus, if he, if he needs any kind of restrictions on us folders, but fundamentally, he maintains the, uh, the state this quote being washington. he did that during his 1st of it was low integration with the intensive break it down. yeah, typically it's kind of interesting because what we attached to donald trump, since we've known him almost a decade now in public politics. it's amazing when you think about it,

you didn't start any new wars, and that's true. but he seems to be cho and stone ending or more. and i think that this is something that he's gonna fall short of. the. the biggest problem here is it is, it seems like it's a one way conversation we keep hearing about cease fire is and delayed nato membership. but nobody's consulting the russians with this bible hasn't talked to a podium, blink blink, and it hasn't talked a lot profit. well, it's about and beyond a prisoner exchanges over the last few years. mean russia isn't in lieu. how can you, in the account, like the one party in the conflict isn't in the look. go ahead and then i assembled me but i, i would have to thoughts on, on this a so right. one is um look this is like the 20th 21st of of december, right?

any 2nd 22nd to i'd say them already. oh my god. so close to christmas. so look that we have not even a month until the end of duration. right. this is the 20th of january, and i see oakland street the and george absolutely. and you may very well it'd be right in the end. but i do think that we don't know yet, and we really know sometime in the screen, we can only begin to really know off the trends in organization. so reason spies is not yet to be something we can fully assess. now to the individual plans here. first, look, the black shows and brought to a router or whatever, you know, they have an input bias. they have an interest to title, avail audiences that everything is fine. it's cool and nothing bad as we the huffman and sold us the landscape, by the way, right? so that evidence doesn't take us that far. i take your point that we haven't yet gotten from from is clear seeing that. so he's really going to do it while he

promised. namely, let's not talk about 24 hours. it's a c my. but namely make peace quickly and in essence, we all understand by increasing pressure of finally on kids and taking this sort of veto power away from kids. the whole best on board has to be a little bit frustrated in directly. and only kids alone can decide when that stops . it's an insane situation that we've been living with for many years right now. i personally am still more optimistic then the 2 of you seem to be, i admit that i think it's possible that we still see major movement on the ending the war. now this one second point that i would like to bring his intent then i'd stop, which is if you're right, which is possible. and trump, then you know, terms, it's all around, turn it into to, to black to move the other natal members into paying more. and then continue u. s. military or financial support for ukraine or both. then, of course,

trump is in for bay, but surprise, because then russia, if you keep trying to and the outcome will be even worse for ukraine and the rest in the as well. i mean, george a again, you know, um, ending the war. let's say we have to meet with you wherever of all fanatics about words this program ending the works. how can, how would that be different than russia? it has to surrender media. and then i think this is the same mindset. yeah, the war will come to an end when russian surrenders, i think that's would help. that's the real deal. i can't see. i'm given the people that it has around which from given his 1st administration attempt can see that they can think of it differently. george, i don't think so big goes. and this is what goes like what i was saying about the worst thing, are you agree or disagree with? oh i, i agree completely with the assessment that was given. that's um,

really the washington, this is pretty much of bipartisan but for a few got a mega america 1st is among the house republican conference. the washington consensus is russia of the bad guys rush. it needs to be stop booted in is uh is another hipaa. and um, anything that can, that can seem to be a um, a victory for hipaa, which means victory for potent risk would be a total of disaster. and it has to be a void to another company is known as these know, he knows his constrains and you know, and we saw in the, the uh, the last week when uh, you know, he was just dealing with his own, uh, republican quote. cuz i'm on the, on a budget re mazda, despite the fact that he is just the one this massive um election victory. they just hoping to find him, they just refused to do. what do you want them to do?

and you can see the same thing is gonna happen and find both them. there is even strongly the opposition to him is even strong to. so if he were to do and you would have to do, you have to be brave in this. i mean for him, because ultimately the thing is to reset. the only way this comes to an end is if it tells the landscape, the jig is up, there's no more money. we're not going to do this. um, you know, you, you do have to sit down to the table and work something out with, with boats in, on the basis of what's going on on the lines right now. not on something you know, the see radical thinks now from this isn't ways thinking along those lines and is that is made clear that he intends to maintain that washington. that says is that when you look up, leave the people that he is pick i, it's hard to disown anyone the go would be the opposite. who would say to him? look, you know, it's, it's time to bring this to him. and on the contrary, these old people walk on the same page as the biden administration. yeah,

this has been very good. i mean, even the last thing was they are releasing the any restraints on the use of the attack comes, you know, his own people said yeah we, we, we agree with this policy. i am so upset though. i know that the people around him said yeah, buddy guy, do you know teddy again, words matter any um to ended. conflict is one thing, but to achieve peace is another and that's another disconnect. and we come from the discourse, not only from the transition team, but from the what is famously called the foreign policy blog. words do man, go ahead and studied. mm. yeah, look um i, i totally agree they, they acted saving peace in the fonts ends of the world that this is over. um nobody's gonna start again z ukrainians as available except the results for the future. unlimited need. and then one can actually, when we built normally,

economic relations and so on. but, you know, all parties concerned that i think is, is extremely difficult. i totally agree. now, however, it is to, i believe, the edited as possible. and as i said before, after long history, is that and stop fighting this out to getting to that sort of peace. that is a place that looks like that, right? so to, to return to that question, put the ad to manage, to stop fighting. i don't quite agree that there are no people around trump who defend from the bye didn't consensus, which i think told should have laid out very, very by the end. it's all, it's fanaticism and simple minded. unnecessary, opposite the right there. but look, the topsy gilbert, director of intelligence, the j. d. barnes. yes, i know the vice president is just the vice president, but even if you look like he's catalog z, designated ukraine. and boy kellogg is very complicated. i think i'm bigger as a num bidwell and figure out at this point, right? that comes, we had talked about this before. it goes back to the paper,

you publish to the fleets of slate, the talking about what one could do, and which most is we have combination of all we really want to talk to russian, take them seriously, but be also one or 2 as the on even more right and was kind of out you can level of i to, you has condemned and i think this contempt is too too much, but the, it has spoken against the summation of to results. but you didn't have to do that. and i think that um the, the house on the other hand repeated stupid assessments of breast as lost as well. you don't know, does he actually believes that or is he trying to make up again, the points we don't know yet. but i do think that that if your argument is that these people think executive of ways that the best buy denise the thing, right. i guess, i guess we have coming from, but i don't quite agree. i think they are a bit different. but i agree with you. yeah, but i mean, if i say it, because i like, you know, again, they may be it's, it's

a splicing words here. i mean, the rhetoric can be slightly different. i agree with new, but the outcome in the policy is not significantly different. it at the end of the day, gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here and we're going to go to a break. and after that break, we'll continue our discussion on some real new stay with r t. the russian states never as tight as i'm one of the most sense community best. nothing was all sense and up the, in the system must be the one else holes. question about this,

even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin moved the machine for state on the rush that's per day and split the ortiz full neck. even our video agency, roughly all the band on youtube. the question, did you say even closer to the if you think about russia, what does your mind to pick? 10 the bottom landscapes. open up the phone lines.

the last one does you imagine the or the discard starts the journey, the, the you ready to come along the welcome back. across that bullhorn to are all things are considered. i'm peter a little here, we're discussing some real news and i'm going to go to take on this one of come up with a phrase originating change menu and a currently on the menu. this season's menu. we have a romania, moldova, and georgia without, you know, keeping my hand to your view like that phrase regime change menu. go ahead

a yes and for some of the i think it's a back up phrase because that, you know, that's what happens in the west and what happens between most of washington, libya to call the shots on this as on everything. and you know, busing, things clients are bad so they have these, these, the season splits up and states sort of slow to for having that was even change happen. and sometimes who got a surprise, which is like say, you know, which was the heart of that surprise in many ways i thing, but as a to conduct the video change suddenly and, and unfortunately it succeeded. now. um, i believe if you asked me to about this particular menu model of uh, ukraine, georgia, i think you mentioned dried and ukraine. of course it is a special case because they have to sort of solidify the redeem change they've already done. right. so if you look at the taxes, whether you're still going to have a resume change oregon mode over to solidify it, remain yourself pause romania, georgia. the i think georgia,

they already losing, frankly, i think i, i understand that the solemn is over, but it's really still holding on that the you are still sending a name signal, but i think drugs as they have already lost. i think joy rumania, they have unfortunately one and the continue and i think one review, but i think i mean what, what do you mean by winning? they, they get their way. but um, and the meaning to which they want is dubious. that, of course, it started, but absolutely what happened in georgia is a cool. i mean, even though it's a villa, eventually a new isn't extremely this information based on thing. even they admit that the evidence that the constitutional court and romania used to the knowledge the whole election wasn't leveretts feelings, the, the work of the secret service, as well sloppy and unprofessional. even they admit that the worst thing about this is as of if i may say that that they're already beginning to use it as a precedent. the cover and present xander from mine. yeah. i called you on this i

think has been to that reason too big you had meeting in brussels. it's and he basically told them, you know, what, they would be able to advise soccer, the sort of influence which is called off for we have no evidence at all. right? the strength of sizing, and we stopped it and you know about the next case is going to be, you told them it's going to be drum and that you have to be very careful. so we are now in this world via them making a claim that as soon as the intelligent surfaces say something you can basically forget about elections. and one last point, this is of course what people wanted to do to trump in 2010 or 2016, but i'm getting confused to 2010, right? i think with them, but it was all to you like that anyway. yeah, yeah. but this, this most of the whole idea of the original or russia gates of us, of age scenario, right, right, to metal goals, mtv, to assess the intelligence community. suddenly that was,

a theory has decided this is the proper to see how everything goes wrong. and then we can talk to the prize of them in america and for it. fortunately, it didn't work. but the still on the same sort of trajectory is that trying to train us into accepting that the item at the and said even fee to. yeah, let me throw to just one word we haven't mentioned in this part of the program is democracy e o space. and then we see democracy subverted laughter in different ways. obviously in moldova disenfranchising, hundreds of thousands of voters in the diaspora. and it was all that is called good, okay. even though most opens in the west, if you have the ask for and we're able to vote in multiple places they, they ask for in russia were denied just and that essentially, but teddy cuz oh right, i mean on this menu here, there's a winner and lease is where speaking now and it's georgia. romania is probably the

most. it's problematic one because it's in the club. and now you have, you know, brussels, a genuine flat thing to that, teddy, because absolutely right now that the elections in germany well being are, we can't prove it. and i just said, so they, i just feel there was something wrong. we've got to cancel it. george poplar said that's exactly right because what happens is now in the west is whenever the election results don't go your way. and that's it because he didn't go mean many places you say russia. and then of course, the next step is, well, okay, well, what's your evidence that russia into fee and rough effect of the election outcome? well, we don't have any evidence, but that doesn't mean that the russian didn't, didn't see it. and that was the effect stated by a romanian press. then your highness said yes, well we know the rushing to fit in the remaining and election, but it's very hard to find any evidence because the russians are so coming and so

subtle. and d b is that we don't have the evidence, so it really does raise the, the interesting philosophical question. if a tree falls in the forest, and there's no one there to hear it, does it make a noise? and that's the view within uh, within view and nato land, which is, or just because there's no evidence of russian interference. does that mean that there was no russian is here and so of, and now this, this is what the you and they, the, and they have to concern themselves. because you talked about the 3 countries that are on the regime change menu, but they're going to be more elections of 2025 elections in bo gary elections in the czech republic. and therefore, we know that the whole of our route is going to go into action because they can't guarantee these election vickers any. what they know perfectly well that they stole the election in mold though it just as, as you said, the people leave the, the, the ask for in a russia was unable to vote and says,

even the final outcomes was very close. then the question that they've had, they've been able to vote then young bias on the last. and so, and then this now is, is what we, what, how they operate. and now i, i agree with you. it does look like they have prevailed in uh, in georgia. i live in georgia a well, obviously they have both quite a lot of experience already with the regime change. and so they, they, they've managed sofa to hold fun. but this, this really is how they get older they, they offer it to you because ultimately they the consensus that they represent it will the most up on the line and kaya carlos and the rest of it just there on the by, as we did with it, within the u. s. oh yeah, it's interesting to be very soviet attended to outlook because you know absolutely existing socialism. you can now reverse from it even if it's a one way direction. and they have the same kind of

a bolshevik mentality and their belief system and how the app or out of that is built to reinforce it and then also to attend it. because i think it's really important government. it's, you know, the default position is it russian interference, but in, in plain sight it's e u interference, left private. or, i mean there's it in the cafe. so these capital city use the ordering, elect, the oh, the do very specific things, like in the case of georgia, for instance, the essentially threatened georgian and wrote this reversing via downgrading of the visa possibility. so elizabeth, very clear case of black managing the miles of the population really into a certain voting decision. right. the other thing is that i wanted to add this, i think drops. okay, right, those something sort of like the list of the, from the line production you've talked for in, right? you can do it in the tube, it can put some kind of cut out. but it's even worse because you can't even discuss

best on both. the camp inside actually means this is interesting because the georgia dream. thank you. a good school in in romania they both actually have stressed that they don't really want to break this. they do you that in reality it go, that's caused by explicit about this. what he wants is an equal relationship where he can, cuz there are 4 main embarrassment interest. now, george and 3 and very much the same statements and they both believe it, but you can argue about, but these governments and parties indeed us understand, but national interest, but that's always the case. so what you have to know from the you was not only is that you must stay here, it's really defined what is here. and there's only one way it's, it was a lot on the line kind of colors with the you know, the image and also lurking always in the background. george for these countries that were mentioning romania, moldova in georgia, is what's going on in ukraine. and that's on smoking, or it is and smoke. and then of course, it gives you the case of

a goal 3. they're very close to where the action is. so the most belligerent rhetoric is coming from those countries that are far away from the action. so the british government is the most barely cose, but then we are a long way from the action. you know, then you don't go in and assuming in a, in, in the been, it looks, you know, they're also very built. it goes and, but when you get to romania and romania, this is goes a bit, a on hub transferring weapon right into the ukraine. that's it. that's a very serious business. because if they, with the war is the brain escalates, it becomes a serious um world between russia and nato. romania is going to be in the front line of the assets and goes a little hungry. and so the lawn care. so when you look at the, the map is the countries that are really very, very close. and we know that if there's a rule,

we get covered badly. the other ones were saying, look, knock it off. this is a really bad i do. and therefore, the ones who get have to get punished um and it goes with the obama of hungary. i mean, he's permanently in the process that pull. that's what i'm trying to promote. opponents of his. and i think verbally, there is an interesting case because the legal heart is there have a problem on their hands because they, they said we're going to hold a new elections. um, but it's a whole new elections then jo. jessica is going to win. i mean, to like, like trump, if you try to make sure he doesn't when he's going to come back and he's going to be stronger than ever, and the remaining and ortho, or doesn't the, you need to know this. and so what are the going to do it? well, the only thing they can do is ultimate is just tell him you've gone wrong, you know, they just keep him off the ballot because otherwise they're back to where they saw the so that the, you need to have a lot of problems on their hands. and ultimately,

as with breast you have is, well, you can do is remove them from file and put them in prison because there's no, no other remedy. you know, it's very interesting, gentle, and actually remember after the break zip vote in 2016 and all of these up ads and other trails that one particularly sends out of mine. the economy is we have too much democracy. there's too much democracy in, in the western world and on that obviously the, the, the meaning of that is that if you give people the, the, the last thing people have in the west of you've taken everything away from, you've shuddered the middle class, one thing they have the left is the franchise and they're gonna start and they are taking away that abram them as well. the beacon of democracy of is no longer the west. maybe it never was or a gentleman that's all the time. we have a want to thank my guess in budapest and, and assemble. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here. are to see you next time. remember,

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