and those via weapons are using all kinds of those synthetic uh, biology and chris for technology and genetic engineering techniques that were not available the previous generation. and they can make frightening, frightening stuff. and it didn't start with the crane. in fact, there are similar labs mentioned earlier in georgia and armenia with future plans to revive and use soviet labs. and that is there a bridge on whose back is done and cause ext on. so you and there's that the admitted to the main indicator that i believe is dangerous today, not only for you and me, but for the whole world is that the united states of america is building or adapting the biological laboratories all over the planet to meet not peaceful but in military tasks, the pentagon has created more than 400 such labs as with all the main indicator that i believe is dangerous today, not only for you and me, but for the whole world is that the united states of america is wielding or adapting biological laboratories all over the planet to meet not peaceful with military pads. the pentagon has created more than the $400.00 sex labs as long as

the lack of transparency that is troubling when it comes to these us, funded by labs around the world, adds to that older reports of malpractice. you find yourself wondering why it's a us, as teacher now this how to do something. it clearly has a master. what's the motive here? a question. more and more countries are now raised and especially russia, which believes washington supplies is to force countries to give up their national sovereignty in the field of bio safety, to become completely dependent on them and must go is one and others to watch out before it's too late to stay with us here on our to international up next on cross talk, peter lavelle and his guests discuss was for the future, awaits the people of syria. by for the

the the hello and welcome to cross talk where all things are considered. i'm theater, lavelle. a solid is gone. now what, what about syria? is it gone to it would seem so outside powers or carving up the country. what was in international proxy war against damascus is turning into an international civil war. is there a place for the syrian people, the cross fucking syria and joined by my guess i'll we risk in be ro key as a security and political affairs analyst, also in lebanon. we have each of the stuff. again,

he is an associate professor and canada research chair in the history of the modern middle east at the university of british columbia. and in manchester we crossed to peter ford. he is a former british ambassador to bahrain and syria. alright gentlemen, cross up rules and effect, that means you can jump any time you want and i would appreciate it every single time i i'm best or forward if i go to you 1st and in manchester and the title of this program does syria have a future and if it does, what is it, go ahead. i'm afraid the future looks very great. very blake. indeed. now of course 3, the media or in the west hope being emphasizing the positive and the word which keeps copying is tribute ation cumulation. because there are some people in the street so obviously overjoyed at the removal of the shaw.

but that's the only hoss the picture if you, if they took the cameras to the boy that we live in on. and then to hear some of the 1000 streaming out every day in, in fear for their lives. tribulation would not be the would coming to their lives. so basically, half of syria appears to be looking forward to the kind of future that they want. and then same as the future and the other half or more drifting it. well, i'll let you know that there was the famous phrase that goes back to con, to lisa rice, you know, creating the new middle east. well, i suppose there is a new middle east now, but is it, is anyone security been enhanced with this dramatic change and syria ali and be root? and i think that the main beneficiary or whatever to remain. but i for sure he's,

as we whole know regarding the events in serious in the immediate future. and they need to, you're having this right of them to, to the age for their own reasons. why i think that the is, randy is, have played on major, major, see, and how the situation was on the fall that it was before, right before the events in syria. when benjamin a video spoke about the human disease. now what appears that for the time being uh his interest or the is really interesting, converge to with the top cushion versus i'm not sure how long that's going to take . i think we've already starting to see some rivalry emerging between the turkish and the use radios on those. i think that nobody security has been enhanced. i don't think to make a security more in the way it has been enhanced extra. yes. you're still designated as a group turkey, if you remember before, it was subject to terrorist attacks my system by other groups and there's a real, real chance of devices can take advantage of water. so i can place this is a very,

very good environment for why it's just a rock describing for these ladies. i think that their expansion has started on, but it has to be admitted. then it has been so they've expanded into syria, occupied additional territories. so their ambitions not familiar with nothing here who is our mission has been serviced. and it's interesting to note that sort of thing is your, how these do not have a history of targeting, as well as even the former had to be most of the site that they sent back in 2016. so i see that these rallies have benefits and as your previous guest mention, i don't think there's a cost. there's an operation by washington, the, by the ministration has spoken about how they contribute to what is taking place in india. and i don't think that this service american interest for their to be how you start a page of how the lead concrete memory can see area was a day to be even a week sight to even see. right. because as i said,

that serves eliasis and particularly for person that might have to bind to that would be a disaster because of the present, the electronic, sorry, that will be a disaster for him. because on the he's watch, we saw i so seeing the great that in the he took responsibility for the summation of others. i couldn't about that easy recall. yeah. but be careful what you wish for. it's always the case here. she helped me if i can go to you also in lebanon here. what, what is the future of this region? is it neal ottoman is um, is it zionist? is that american head gemini? i mean, they all can co mingled together for a long go ahead. as well, i think at this point it's difficult to see how things are going to go, but we do have some indications in relation to what happened in syria that as i've been mentioned, although i, i kind of disagree about the uh, whether this benefits or doesn't benefit united states, but we do have 2 big winners on did use political stage, which is 30 and

a zorian. i think we have to look at more than one dimension. so what are the dimensions has to do with the limits? we struggle with the military, the distance and the existence, i guess there's variance and they had gemini and the presence of us forces in the region, including in north east and see how we have the future of us military bases in the region. so that's one dimension. the 2nd one has to do with the economics. i mentioned no matter what we think about whether these groups, the, some of the established groups are in line or not in line with western ideology. if they adopt any liberal economic model, they open up syria for investments fund investments is they actually reassessed it date by shows own the liberal policies that brought the key it economic start this power into the region. then we may be seeing a kind of like a sort of speak uh gulf eyes ation of syria, a re alignment of syria along these lines. um, so that could be one of the futures that we're looking at. and that definitely is

very wordy. so because of the level of destruction, of the syrian economy, of, of syrian infrastructure as, as this is going to be a new oligarchy, that's just hasn't, it's not most favor which is again, their association of by chance only guarantee. then that's also a cause of concern. and lastly, maybe i'm going back to the 1st point. i do think this is a legal situation for the access of resistance. there's no question about oh okay, yeah, i will, i'll get to that in the 2nd part of the program. that's one of my questions here about ser ford. what about that? i mean, if there, if there's going to be any kind of a economic rebuilding and you need security, but i don't, i don't see the elements of security in, in the, in the, in the present the, even in going into the future. i, i don't see how this is going to pan out. there are too many competing interest. um, but the 2 key questions here uh that the sanctions, uh,

really and the oil. now there is a, an in decent rush towards the sanctions relief on the part of most of the western powers and many of the public relations exit of the jihad. the regime of directed towards this because it was basically sanctions. the data followed by shop and it may well do for the new regime if they're not listed. and therefore, the people's hopes dashed. the united states seems in 2 minds on the sanctions relief. on the one hand, they that inclined to indulge and consolidate the new tests who are in power in damascus. but on the other, they seem to be hearing is riley voices saying, hey, don't be so quick. uh, you don't all these people any favors. they're not even useful to you anymore.

they've done the job. they've got rid of the russians. they got rid of. you ran, they got rid of the best shot. you don't need to be make nice with these people. so i sense that the united states, as usual, will listen to these ravens on this. and we'll uh, drag in seals on sanctions really. on the oil. i think the u. s. is in a bind and they will end up so written during it to the jihad is that those us troops had one main function to stop. i said, getting his hands on the oil or in siri the trips were there to find boxes. that was a fiction. no, it was to stop after getting the oil and to use the proceeds from the sale of the oil to fund the cottage autonomous administration. well the you,

it doesn't need the card anymore. well, they collect the cards go. yeah, but i think that's what we'll have to. yeah. i'll, we, i mean there's, that's the, the, that's the western powers having any, have any interest in a, a recovering syria. i mean, just leave it as a wasteland. doesn't that serve a purpose for what the west or israel, even for turkey. and i think that the west policy to what syria is very much to a large degree dictated by israel. i think that's how the west sees the situation in syria. but regarding the issue of sanctions, as an important point, i think we have to remember we're talking about a group of which how through from a car, the in the extra yes, usually was formerly on the stuff on the star was the affiliated. see a picture of a video of the car, the mat. you're talking about a car that which was behind the cruise of september 11th. so i don't think it's going to be that easy where there use, well, once it or not,

whether it wants to sanctions to remain or not. it's not going to be very easy for any american ministration. i think to remove the sanctions that will put them in a very difficult, difficult situation. you're talking about the worst, have a foreign terrorist attack on the west phone land that the dean of it's still quite a thing. he's a, he's a big hook. stickle. so now i think that um, when it comes to woodson bar to the interest on the paid on his rounds interest, which device will interest the dialogue and having i noticed that these are the type of up syria now regarding the new liberal outlook, which is a colleague in may, we mentioned, i think that you'll learn a lot some of the shuttle he's trying can you possibly use and see regarding looping and not serious adopting a more moderate steps that might be true. but there are a lot of all the hard line elements with interesting i wouldn't disagree and i think that's going to be a major issue for many of these people. it could be valuable and could the 2nd to

why says, for example, the us sanctions, which quite expect to continue to remain in place given the hub cart building. that's also going to be another obstacle. so there are various, various issues, a client i think, which would impose, i really, really big on the challenge and difficulty fully. i mean it's, it's very answering, we're all talking about the interest of us, the countries, but not the really the interest of the syrian people. i think that's the point of the program gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on syria and state without the the is the launch of the special military operations mold. in $13000.00 far less than the race of joining the ukrainian miller tray. we will use lots of things to stop growing up and we need,

i need for 2 of us doing to the the with any of them surely cuz it was trustworthy . which my friend built for the fine you is fine. yeah. the long but yeah, point on it is that the surgeon at the end of it is i didn't know that you know for your state mental breakdown skills to talk as always. and you might have slightly recovery planning from the phone soon as the new shot and get it gone soon. the vs for the back of the 50 on top of the field of worship means it is also that'd be good to see a guy and use that as a beautiful supervisor for sure. it's for you. my florida. she knew was like you strong. so then the whistle instead of the physical not so the welcome back across the dock were all things are considered on people about remind

you we're discussing syria, the okay, let's go back to one of our guessing 11. i'm here. so you mentioned the become the be at the resistance. what is the state of the resistance? okay, we have to remind everyone that a, some us may not be destroyed but gaza. certainly isn't a genocide continues, as we're talking about syria, depending on who you want to believe. has blogs on the back foot, not defeated, but certainly been, uh, injured, syria, miraculously it's just collapsed. um, so what, where does the resistance stand or do we should, should we be talking about the resistance anymore? go ahead. while we certainly shut down the resistance is still present the resistance in some respect system very strong. and actually if we start with guys, i move around, we can see, as you mentioned,

that we are actually witnessing continued resistance and uh, you know, happening every day we have actually casualties on these very side. that being said, of course, the situation in gaza is disastrous and is we've continues to occupy a territory that continues to conduct large, large scale destructive rates on gaza and displace and kills a palestinian on the lebanese front. the see sign that we have seen has stopped the fund, i think. so that's one set back. if we think about the idea of the unity of the front at the same time is really as, as failed to actually, you know, take hold of lebanese territory in the south. but there's a lot of them be due at the about the conditions of the ceasefire. there's constant violations happening, the m and these are still conducting a long range of operations, but they're not perhaps as frequent. as you mentioned, the celia has uh, you know, the sued army has been a blue part of it has been obliterated. the non state actors,

i've showed extreme resilience, i should say, these are they who do use the from us or has been look at the same time. they are facing a serious challenge. because in the case of loving on the supply lines have been taught by the new rulers of damascus, syria was a jew strategic depths, offered you strategic depths to the resistance. the wrong is now kind of also somehow giving a lot of different matic signals. it's not conducting any attacks as it used to. so i believe that of course, so long as there is occupation and now with israel's expansion and the, and syria, we are going to see a continued resistance. but the access itself as a viable long term uh coalition is a my opinion object to least speak a under enormous train and its future is uncertain. and that actually costs are a serious question over the are the question of armed existence, visa,

the other forms of struggling to liberate thought is time investment, afford out there. let's continue with it around here that you know, the appetite comes with the eating. and we obviously know that the, the net at yahoo government has been a while for the, for as long as he's been in power, been pressuring the united states. you have to go on and military adventure against the ran. what are the possibilities of that now, particularly the interim before the and the next administration? well, it ran has some sort of nature, nature blow by the law so that it's soft underbelly serious. now these regular use of boasting, but they have a car to have car in to, to tell around. and it's true that all those early warning stations are obliterated. it will be much easier now for is really the aircraft to reach uranium s space,

which is the scary. so it will incline the israelis towards adventure arisen and with the prospect of the friend donald trump coming to town very soon. it's probably whys us to get radians to tone things down a bit and because it showed that that's the face. and one of the things it ran really needs to do is concentrate on the shoring all the ally, the remaining allied 11 on which will need even more support. how is it that support to go to the em? logistically is a major, major problem. um, but it may be that for the longer time it's paula needs to re conceptualize itself no longer presented itself so much as

a member of the resistance and concentrate on its its own position in level and on the position notes is constituency, mainly the she or community 11, all because when, when we look back at the wisdom of joining come us after october 2023. i think we have to do so quick. this is to say that it was, it was not wides. so that's easy to say with time. so i well, it, you know, um, it's go back to ali. oh the, you know, i, i started out with you around, but i mean, a country that is very, very weak, obviously is web and on. i mean, i, i could for see, considering the instability in the region that there would be an attempt for resumed change in be root as well. i'm not sure you can apply that. some regime

change to buy your uh, you know, living on lebanese government comes in and out the presidency. there's a really good point. good, good point. good point. good point. good point. but um, when it comes, there has been fees raised about to his radius resuming their war on $11.00 on to the exploration of the 60 day period. which is that period where the steps shouldn't be taken to start to implement the new source, they cease fire. the argument is based on the assumption that the, the full price of the strength is israel. hand weakens because the laws are therefore his work and sees the opportunity and the only not counselor to has the law. personally, i don't think that is unlikely scenario or i think that the americans in particular have invested a lot in this case file. and i think that the incoming trump administration does the, does not want the situation to deteriorate and level on. in fact, i think one of the factors, one of the factors we stripped to the ceasefire,

was the ultimatum which from gave before. i remember when he visited the restaurant in michigan, and he focused on the necessity of bringing it and it happened to the lower level. in addition to the fact that it has been a lot was able to observe all these increasing and the blows and continued to launch me. so i was on these rarely on the front. it was down in the room. i used to be down and out quickly about the about what a method a forward mentioned regarding because of the last priorities. i think that has the law. i could look at the estate principle. the speech is being given by its use agreed general secondary causing it is focusing on the domestic situation, ensuring all the situation domestically without disregarding the resistance. so has the law is in this process of reassessment, the re evaluating, sorting out to get the priorities in the shape of costing more than way. he was the one who used to be a sign just with the task of the lebanese domestic situation. so we use

a mobile place on how those to, you know, deal with the situation and, and focus on the domestic handle off has the last strategy is um and we the former leader of, of hezbollah. and that's where our he famously said without syria. there is no palestine, can you reflect upon that statement? but let me 1st say that it would be a mistake to think of as well as intervention is unwise in any way, shape or form. but a, precisely because we have to remember that the looks of flooding the operation. and what happened after was a turning point in the, the duration of found a sign because of this idea of a uh, unity of friends. this actually emphasizes the press secretary in nature. it would be very dangerous. it actually has, well, uh, uh, simply was to go into its quote unquote, she, uh, environment. and kind of became to imbedded in the lebanese domestic front,

because that's generally a recipe for uh, you know, uh, increased reaction or the politics. and as i've not been on a lot of, as well as politics inside lebanon is not different from others. what actually stood out for has been that historically, is it's actually resistance. it's opposition to, is it a lease that the colonialism? so it's very important to maintain that why of course, taking into account how to survive in a hostile environment. how to prevent further utilization of any determines as well . so i think we have to balance these 2 things are not simply shift to a domestic agenda. and of course, reconstruction in south lebanon is itself a form of resistance. that'd be strengthening of people's ability to go back to their homes is a form of resistance, but it has to be framed in that way, as opposed to actually getting more about what's happening within lebanon. now your question about syria? historically, sir, yeah. what? so what the, what the, you know, uh martha,

my son i said is absolutely true. serious of the heart of, uh, you know, the struggle for palestine from the very outset. it's actually a center for out of national. i don't, let's you, that was very much about the liberation of palestine. is that of land. it was involved in all doors with these mean and it has been, unfortunately, perhaps the only government that was willing to support under justice. we shouldn't forget at the same time that the cause, the power steering cause is not just the cause of has about, are serious. it's also the cause of georgia and it's the cause of egypt left alone the cause of the world around. so what i think is important at this juncture is to start pushing for a. 5 you know, a why do a network of supporters of, of, under existence beyond celia is one to actually start to think about why isn't jordan or the, you know, people in jordan, they need to also activate their uh,

you know, grassroots movement there for the can part these, the more the syrian front is neutralized, the more that we have to think about sustaining other friends and not actually shutting them all down so that the only remaining uh front is garza, which is you know, a serious problem in the future. okay, and best center for we just have a few seconds left here. what's the stop israel from continuing its expansion? go ahead. a while the less than that the last 2 years is that only one thing can stop is real and that's the military or position. that means because it's brushed aside everything else and uh, us pressure virtually nonexistent action in, in, in the un legal action. a media offers it shouldn't change, has been public opinion across the world. israel is now

a lawless state. exact thing, without restraints. and it feels that it can get away with anything. and that's being proven repeatedly over the on that no general on that. no gentleman, we've run out of time. i want to thank my guest in manchester and in lebanon. and i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at our t. see you next time and remember prospect the the

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