on the, the time action or 10 seen. welcome back to going underground rule. gusting all around the world from the u. a. 85 years since the 2nd world war interrupted with germany's invasion opponent the world that faces the price of another catastrophic conflict. this time ignited by his wells relentless war and gone into the british alonza john less committed to perhaps 186000. nearly 10 percent may have been killed. doctor john lift infants entire families wipe from existence while under the guise of self defense back by the united states, which is funneled over 50000 tons and weapons, and military hardware and a israel's hospital. but beneath his rails much folded and don't lie as a nation into him while fractured by the political divisions of military reportedly

stretched been an international reputation that's plummeting. is israel up up to self destruction and how much longer can account in washington as more americans question that governments backing other regime seen as a liability? joining me now from tel aviv is down the island, israel's home, a deputy foreign minister, next ambassador of israel to the united states. about stuff welcome back to the program as being for you as a given israel's actions of lead to a run. now, almost daily, threatening your country as a former advisor to an admin, yahoo, a former investor to the usa. do you believe it? ron has nuclear weapons already front? it's the on the bottom, a deputy boss of is really intelligent thing. israel would lose in any conflict against iran. yeah. well 1st of all, a actually it's good to be with you again a little uh, took us a few years to uh, reconnect. nevertheless, i enjoyed your show. so a body, ron, and i will tell you, i don't think that they are quite capable of designating the device,

although they may be on the customer. they do have enriched uranium, not a big you know what not. we have a great but enough to turn it into the web and then it takes, it will take them um 2 more months if not a year or so to recognize it. uh, so i don't think that they have it, but i think that is quite clear today with all, as you mentioned, the catastrophic events uh, in the middle east and beyond that uh, the wrong use actually they, they had also a, uh, a terror. evarado. see, i thought i was looking run over a very radical machine, very uh um i was a dangerous one and they are actually using proxies around the lease that even gone back to. um, i guess bring about a new hedge your money, where they would like to take over uh,

the very least view why they're using their love is the cost of it. obviously iran say they're not proxies. these are just resistance groups that support iran. but having said what you just said, do you think now that is riley is the most dangerous place in the world to be a jew? i think, oh, actually i think it's the is still the safest way. ready to be a jewel unfortunately, as you mentioned, um really yeah. how you literally just told me that iran is on the verge may be of next year having nuclear weapons. we've seen all the resistance, was it, why is it safe to be jewish? because right? because because i've described the wrong and the danger from the i thought i was, he's only half the picture. the other half, of course, is our besides capabilities, you know, on the 14th of april, a few months ago. ready they are launched for the 1st time and that also shows by the way, yeah, they're using their nerves. busy than 300 different rockets and,

and drones all over the bus one where the intercepted and the best. and we know that the ron says that those were deliberate decoys to get intelligence. but if i was going back to this point, you know, how many jewish people are immigrating from israel? your call is in titles and people are leaving a mess from israel to i don't think so. you know, uh, actually i, i live here and i talk to people. uh, you know, uh these riley's jewels, if large and what we like to complain to uh, discuss it to uh, you know, look at that issue from every corner about the know is raise or saying. and actually we are more just coming from abroad, especially from the united states. and here again, you mentioned, you know, i was the user is i standing today in the world for various reasons, but say some of them are downright, and i submitted an angry. somebody's also rice and by the i just submitted, ah,

you know, i'm actually moving ok, you know where you're only get onto that. i do want to get onto them and you just said people are leaving 30000 official figures leaving up till much between the november and much. so what are you talking about why these $30000.00 jews will leaving the leaving? because israel is not a safe place to be jewish any more? surely. no, i think i think this is a wrong. and if you look at uh, just make people wants to emigrate, you know, to lead. they keep their families here. so they are very, very small by, of, and the, you know, when the war started, we were, you know, savage dfacs, the mexico, the favorite segments of october. we had thousands. if not more, of these riley's will lead abroad. were on the doors abroad. they were all come virginia and there were no places on the, on the coming slides. so this is not

a problem whatsoever. is rarely these readings are white and resilient. we live with you, you know, why am i asking anyway, i'm asking, i'm asking because i or did you, is your thoughts or it is, it is real. keep talking about how israel is a place that say for years when many jews i would say in that the as per say, that was and what the time to visit. why do you think israel media was banned from reporting on lebanese resistance strikes on sion bad. most ad unit 8200 just in the past few days because that's it was a 5 am reporting restriction in israel blackout of all media. why was the media band from reporting on the successful resistance strikes on most ad unit, a transition bit less, a very good question. there was nothing to report about. and again i, i think that you want to pray into propaganda either from tara,

she's below the one. i don't know as i'm just sorry, i'm just asking you about freedom of speech and freedom of the press. why there's, there's nothing happened with the reporting restrictions instead, you did it at 5 am on all these really media. because almost ma'am, we're interested to see if there is, there is one thing. any bedroom currently does. well, you know, we are an open country press errands, we really very, very energetic press. you cannot hide anything here. and so you didn't see any bombs falling on zillow or anywhere else is just because it didn't have because the failed. why would you need to put reporting restrictions? yeah, usually you should be crying about it and saying how successful is there was no binding. all of these really media from covering it unless you're trying to cover something up unless that unit, hey, do under the gym. bet were actually hit hard. no, no, no,

no 3 actually i just drove by this morning. uh, everything is intact. uh, there was a 3, a restriction uh the restriction was only 4 days rarely a pre emptive attack. and this was because of the, a security considerations and uh, and that was it. but if you look at uh at the results, yes the be try to launch a why to if you uh, can't remember the number but with it being given uh in the hundreds. but they were all taken before they even launched and we did it. oh these all right, sorry about that because reporting restrictions i'm a journalist reporting restrictions were imposed. anything you say? we cannot be corroborated because these are in the government as binding journalist from covering it. why does the israeli military headquarters? why is it 450 meters from a hospital entry level hospital on wise when street in tel aviv?

why do the israelis put the military structures near hospitals and schools in tel aviv labs in israel y? and i'm not sure that this is the case, you know, you for this stupid ass the same as why the 10s of on, you know, a why the, in the ministry of defense of england, their own efforts would be located in the capital. and well, it depends again, it's not 450 meters from one of washington's biggest shopping moves. why do these rallies, place the facilities near hospitals and schools? there is no a deliberate say no. ready within the near schools or anything like that. and in any case the, the schools are say, is telling me the say because we have the best or miss old ballistic defense ever. and this is why you see how to run. and because by the same time and

again, where does these by law a successful when they use our daily communities, when they do it, when they tired it civilian homes. and when they do that, say, you know, when they do gets or grown a uh, an open seals. uh it is what you see. but they are not coming in not to be your back because they know it would be devastating. the uh, the situation is this is well is now by d a modes i, uh, x runs war. but as far as our intelligence capabilities, as far as our operational and logical, less realty, we still quite save here. and the results are that uh, on the one hand, you know, you guys, uh, we had some ice which at turn guys up into a one major bumper. uh, 400 the meters a or one seats,

action deep house. and we both a layer and uh i was a thousands of dollars. how much is that? a 100 of uh i was just the loaner is also a toes and we are taking them out and then operate on banding. jana swim, being able to cover the operation by the israeli government. we don't have successful you being bid regarding why israel put their military facilities near jewish homes and jewish schools. you'd find it acceptable then for resistance voices to as collateral. damage is rarely hospitals to be destroyed, say the adjective, it's a little while it's middle. if that gets destroyed, it's right next to the military headquarters, so it's just an acceptable collateral damage or no, i tell you what once you are referring to is just headquarters. reach our offices, you have the offices, you don't have the guns, we don't, they have the missiles or launchers. it's not at all, like she's by law. and,

and some of us were picking their launches inside the homes where we live. it was the lebanese resistance offices at west main root, utah uses, they were offices, went they just like the office retail of a as well. these are offices with their offices. unfortunately, you have done iris do not. and there are no guns at this is really military headquarters on fire has been street and tele be you know, you'll have there you have it or people go to work, you know, the offices and it's not in need 0. it's a military headquarters dispatch but not in new jerry installation. and by the way, again, you know, you look at the results from us when they started, they are operation for their attack on the 7th of silver. and then they launched hundreds of pieces. how many uses somebody's launching now? 0. why? because we systematically took them out because we know how to do better,

says they same thing may happen to be cheap, but uh, if we decide these people that is not the let's say why is down this, but i will not, will su, united nation, the security council resolution selecting one by which they have to pull out. uh, they are illegal uh military uh, units you chose articles, but to be uh, i'd say it's an issue that has to be according to 17. 0 one a has to be december big enough to that. we will have to take care of. right. okay . and that's enough to see the blooms, the adjust investment down the island of stop you that more from the former is really deputy foreign minister. next, i'm pastor of israel to the united states after this break the israel. so will never been p c l is s, no supremacist,

all really joseph tempest states, which is us many very respected organizations. a point today which is fine to don't on the principle of apartheid, and it only knows gone, and sons pendigraphs the there was widely's off the year 2024 would be to multiply suspended was, however, in ways few had predicted the world did change in this ear though hardly for the better. what are the highlights? 10 low lights, the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with the former is rarely deputy foreign minister, next and basket of israel to the united states, down a loan. i'm about to thank you so much, as i said, for your explanations, in part one of how you say the operations and is really being very successful. as i

said, journalists are not allowed to go in and verify the claims made by as early authorities and the ones you just made about one. but then what about the these torture programs that are being covered in these riley media? what's the reason for as well as to what your programs it's a day to email and in the negative prison the you and special rapids or alice deal edwards, itemizing jews sexually torturing arabs business as well. uh, actually do you remember the rate of the, the american installation uh, were you talking about the united states when talk about is a fully democratic countries with the law. then the originally, the many people would many people around the world don't think it'd be like states or is riley of countries or by the rule of a rule. there presidential candidate donald trump doesn't believe that the united states is currently a country of little over that but, but still i see millions of people are trying to come to america. i don't see them are trying to be in china. ready easily ron or a russian so uh,

i think uh we have to really understand re, i'm sorry, what was going to do with the torture and the negative prism. got because because i wanted to say the, just like the united states is where there was a little small and why still are you loud? and there was no forward year is randy james and each some and that's a rogue. the soldiers will jailers are doing anything, just legal, not only they were taken out, they are charged and they're bugs. they're staying prison. i bet you are referring to one case where we have, i mean, these really, oh, sorry, it's actually arrested 5 people, 5 jailers. and they are now undergoing investigation and, and trials. so this is barely exceptional. and they're, you know, to every hula portion, but originally exception. but they smoked like doing the wrong or the other guy

doing any was to him i was demanding, raping, expectation of prisoners in the run. i mean, the last i heard everything is like, this is apple grave and it was the united states carrying out because polls in the united states, you're most americans in the united states favour a palestinian state. i mean, clear now that your uh full, my boss is only option is the drawer the and i, it states in to this conflict and iran and all the bicycle have not been biting since the israeli assassination of, as well as any, uh and uh, what, what does this real going to do when the united states? uh, whether it be this generation or the next is good by israel. we have israel because of what israel does is regards human rights violations. we are quite capable of defending ourselves by ourselves way. ready sorry to jump so quickly, but you're not value because that's why the americans are giving you tens of

billions or hundreds of millions of dollars weapons without the united states. you are you, you don't have a country. i don't think so. if you look at the united states as defense, age to nature, to south korea, to japan, it's 100 times what the are doing with his with, with these rights more security for operation. they enjoy our technology. they're enjoy our strategic and tactical lead. um, i'd say he's the innovations and also the us and this was our natural elyse because of assistance. you know, the democracies support democracy is not only that is where they know that the united states is what is the most dependable l i of the united states in the region at all and is they need and they, they are interest east. ready stability in the region, their interest is that not to, to have um, oil prices

a height. they know, usually they care where do i care of it by controlling arab neighbors? i don't, well, it's how the you a, what do you mean? controlling oil prices by sending in arms to israel. i mean actually i was gonna ask about, it's a about that. um, that is your view that the gods opperation which as i said, may have killed 10 percent of the population, which is equivalent of killing, say, 5 and a half 1000000 people in britain, 27000000 people in the united states. that's the proportion of numbers killed and guys are, according to the estimates from the lancet british ship medical journal. is it your view that what needs to happen now? is that every arrow being garza and christian needs to go to the sign a does it know? so 1st of all, let's we just correct one thing when i was hoping by what prices you know, get the reduced to being that the least low prices are being dictated. basically in

the gulf countries, united states, although he is now self sufficient on his energy supplies, they don't need an oil prices high because it's inflation and everything goes with it. so this is why they need to be, this is why they need a strong is work where it is ready to its origin. was heard on the 7th of october. it was very important to re establish these, these here. it's how do you really establish these areas by reading it gets old for the civic story. oh, uh, and the tyrants anymore. there's 11. he's been bombing his railing. the past few days, the ron bombed israel for the 1st time ever in the past few months. human is a, a bullying, israel. i don't even remember when it lasted that it doesn't have any deterrence, but i'm just asking why. on the hood, you, you think that the oil prices in any way a to, to do it this and whether the,

the numbers killed actually, you know, the, israel's reputation right now is in tacit all around the world as well. yes, and this is very unfortunate. and again, dear, i think that the true story is not being reviewed. like you are telling me about millions of uh, thousands being killed, which is not. think of uh, even near the st. millions of proportion. it's based on the british republish it. yeah, it's a plugin for fortunate use. this is not closed because i tell you what they had the boss stairs, the guys, they are mostly you. so at the no official, no. do we know you're not allowing john? listen, listen, we are in guys. you know that you guys right now, there's a note here where you guys have, i'd like you to guys are in your deliberately no allowing john, unless you guys julie berry, you'll be very welcome. when it say right now,

you will be trapped on terroristic batches and we're taking care of it. and so you can tie because we want to spare the guys on people who are not doing both. but most of the people that were killed were, are because they were from us members and some bass is really themselves and positioning themselves. nothing. you're saying can be verified because you're not allowing janice and you're saying it's not safe. i was in damascus during the war, which is well supported against outside with the european union in the united states. they didn't have a problem with journalists going in, well, uh, there was a, your old boss. net and you know, treating isis dash on the golan heights. we saw pictures of the why is it you're not responding about the plan for guys? because you said it on the, on the cuts. how are you television station you are on this guitar, a television station saying you want to, people have guys that to go to sign. i is that still your view, you know,

know what they meant was that they should clear the way, you know, it was innocent civilians and gods that should be under way. these would have been the best. well that's the. ready way so the, some us, you know, i would face is really military face to face model model and not the. busy go behind them, you know, what's happened with this of us is that they like cowards. they are hiding behind the civil populations that they work saturday, the hours of operations. no more. because the to out all day or uh, this is it is and now it's a ration, but i can tell you that i'll, i'll give you some numbers and you're not very fiber because they come from from us . and they talk about 40000 that i can tell you out of these 40000 that more than 20000 are a terrorist armed terrorist and the racial one to one is the lowest in the allowing jonathan. so we kind of verified that it's in your interest to tell me

that so 2000000 palestinian 2000000 or both indians have to leave guys and go into the desert to live in tents, which is what you've said on the board. and then what i'll and then you'll destroy garza even more kill everyone left. and then how many of that? so then the 2000000 can then come back to god. so is that your plan on the plan and then yahoo, yeah, but this well, yeah. but obviously this plan in place and. ready this is wide, so unfortunately some casualties among the civilians but be planned for guys that is very simple. each to view radicalized guys on the new device, does it as it used to be. busy to the dramatically agreements when this happens. and of course we would very much like to see a prosperous guys up as we planned for you on a 2005 august 2005 is realistic guys altogether to the last page. given

us, hopefully to a new era, but a mass over they actually had to put it up against the 040. they were cheap housing authority officials. they took over as you all right. you know, you can't lie other day than you in the west bank where we're running out of time. i've just got to ask you, you loan wanted the saudi arabia to join the abraham accords at why do you think it is or it has no chance whatsoever of that dream that you and then it and yahoo administration. and it's people, one of saudi arabia joining if anything is there is more isolated than ever. you have an economy intact as jews are leaving whole mess. and you're preparing for the onslaught. i think a lebanese resistance and the mainland government saying, oh the waiting game is positive it, those jews will never be going back to the north. will they anytime soon? i as well. i'm sorry to take an issue, but i think of what you said. you sorry for the prison off the ryan and that is

below just totally not true. they have their teachers maybe to kind of bolster their own the equal and maybe more out because they have really low. busy low, very low point and i would say one, but there was only one solution or beast and prosperity in the middle east is that it is from sony countries, israel, united states, and nato, heavy and alliance. as we are heading now against the forces of people which are the running, they have told us, piece by law a how boss and the high been forced is north korea and russia, some guys, china. so there are 2 camps here, and there is no doubt which camp is winning and which camp will continue to read and then one more thing, the golf companies and so on. are you ready? yeah, they is ready see knowledge because they have problems. they'll just add the security issues from there. you run the switch some wrong,

but also it's uh the future for um, uh for security and what are available this. this is where is what is number one in the world. okay. but it's number one is feeling walter, according to the countries of friends with anyone, but every one i should, i should say. and certainly a, you know, they have good relations with china and russia and the russian china understand what to what nato is doing. of course, in west, in your a, but i began this by talking about the 2nd world war you. what do you think of the line search vegas then this am and, and british journal saying that a 186000 may have been slaughtered by u. k. u. s. a u weaponry in the hands of the israelis equivalent, as i said, proportionately to 5 and a half 1000000 people, men, women, and children, mostly women and children killed in britain or 27000000 in the usa. what do you think of that? british british medical journal, the lines that as well. again, i think you, there is, this is born always downright blind. and you mentioned,

this is why this was positioning in the world is not the best because of the labels and with the allies, it gets us which, you know, we are not very yeah, capable of dyslexia because they're busy going great. i would love that all the study was here with you. why would they make what a delightful? you're not comparing the nonsense to the nazis. i they are. i would say that the i have told us of the wrong we there proxies like the police blah and there, you know, in there she, i, e, l, i swear there is a she, i, the missions you, the rock or in syria or the image medical journal are they, well they, they, are they downright terrorist and you know, unfortunately, you know, well on the, ever i say why you say, but we're out of time about them. thank you. thank you very much. that's it for the show. i'll continue condolences to those very by u. k. u s. u, i'm genocide,

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