to yes, there's a lot of truth to it, but no, i don't expect that anything is going to come out of it because there's just too many bodies that people know are buried in certain areas, proverbially and, and getting to the bottom of will cause a lot of riffs and in some of the other apparatus is the government that no one wants to touch. all right, joe, what else? the name of that it was a pleasure. so the notice of the conservative daddy vocal science again. well, that wraps up this and he was always good to have your company will be back again at the top of the headquarters, then the the hello and welcome to worlds. a part of the middle east has always been

a land of fast shifting sands, but over the last couple of weeks, the jo, political landscape of the region has changed so much that it wouldn't be main stakeholders. seems to have been caught unawares. who is winning, who's losing as for how long will to discuss it? i'm now joined by correct me, right. a former breeders diplomat. this in mary is great to talk to. thank you very much for your time. thank you very much for invited me now. i bet it's hard to surprise us susan diplomat, especially given the so many up he was in the region over the last couple of years in the last couple of decades. but i think even by the current spenders of unpredictability, the passing here has been printed dramatic for the middle eastern region. what surprised what strikes you the most about the year 2024 fits being spectacular and disastrous and of course they, the continual under code, we submit a suggest is the, the genocide which is ongoing and in gaza fund fits become so common place

to become so accustomed to seeing images of, of dead children and destroyed hospitals and torture doctors, the division of danger, we lose sight of having multiple baptism. how, how terrible it is. but that is kind of, i don't steadly, i decided the best of to go i. so i wanted to try to get him to go, so there is no way to do. it's probably probably to permission to get into the west bank and get permission to me as a means who have to give it permission to pass through. so i went out to lebanon a couple of months ago to tell the board in lebanon. and then of course, city a dropped it. so if it's any of a moving targets in terms of what's happening across the middle east, at the moment, we're really much of them at least as a place. let me focus on the uh, on the brands in syria for the time being because of the future of that state is

put down certain um, with israel and tour kit expanding their hold on a serious surgery on many intelligence services across the entire region. and perhaps around the world a trying to figure out where things are likely to move from here on a plus. there are also lots of atrocities happening there as well. what's your take, what's your intention on how the future of this land, the future of this country? is likely to evolve. i think we are in for a prolonged period. the adults of war. um, we have the most extraordinary coalition of power was combined to pull the current government into pilot. and in city of we have all of us still mistakes of this. we have to clean it be united states and israel, all of who were very involved and have been involved long term in promoting these

particular do you have just a kite by says on those levels some but then we have of course also have the gulf states catalog in particular, which have been funding them long term as well. and. and we've seen this extraordinary of companies to get a hold of apparently defending interest. steve. the tax wants to be able to attack the goods in this area and also to take to, to in the goals and take effective control of a level which they've done. the americans putting complex with the to accept the codes because the americans are being busting the codes. but the american primary aim is to maintain control over the oil fields of sit in the north and east, which they have achieved. israel has taken a great deal more land, but the land which israel has occupied in syria. but in the last couple of

weeks, it is 3 times the size of the gaza. strip it to put it into context and the gulf states of, of the deductible they wanted, which is a extreme select for so many government in city of which we will close. we will see become increasingly until events as the days go by. but mr. murray isn't that also? what's paradoxical about this whole situation there, old norman, the allies, but they all have and huge appetites, and yet each of them achieving something for itself. uh, put them sort of on the uh, the longer hats with the own allies. for example, cherry k on saudi arabia or turk, in the united states. now, lots of packet one by one. i want to start with the, with the american and western interest. and i, i somewhat surprising we noticed that the western media for now have been a rather restraint than the commentary i part from perhaps trying to re brown tie up to create. i shot a bony speed or to hide his group as

a sort of quads. i see the organization a cnn around a very formally looking interview. with that later, i boom will. how about that of delani? talking about the inclusion building of institutions and overall adopting this political western language. what do you make of this re branding dressing? it's el center and what they're saying is the tries to achieve think there's a certain authenticity, pruitt pin that i think the western kind of was, have good and a small number of leaders of the movement of jolanda himself. of course, being the obvious one who are willing to act as western puppets in exchange for power and who quite possibly is personally, the willing not to adult the kind of extreme violence. islam is totally just agenda. but he,

he was following when he was with outside the nicest, it's perfectly possible uh, the tea himself, the next things for how load and wealth and all of those things has dropped is a deal a j. i'm just taking a different path with us. the 10s of thousands of this, many of them, a week goes and specs and texans and bass because acts and there is other nationalities who followed him into damascus loop. you know, consists of is by taking fullest boat whether they are willing to drop them 60 minutes. let us the agenda is a very different question. indeed, as far as russia is concerned, i think this is a very pressing see security challenge, according to some estimates up to 30 percent or higher up to create. are some fighters are professional behind, is they come from central asia and, you know,

they don't have any particular allegiance to political power transition in syria there. and just there for hire plas, as we all know, there are also tons of thousands of former isis fighters held in jails under curtis control in eastern syria. so if all of that force guest lose, i think ok, that's some point may, may indeed seem like a moderate organization. and it is inexplicable to it to the russians of police. is that kind of force not considered a threat? them the worst is their believe that they can somehow be controlled or we dictated . the lesson should understand it better than anybody. because of course, this was the western played bulk, the joint progressing occupation of afghanistan, the west impacts wires against the west beach. i believe it's london bombings and $911.00. and i'll, you know, all the consequences. so, you know, it's hard for the russians to believe that there was the memories so sure that there must be some sort of a plan. well,

the list very seldom learns the history of the united kingdom, for example, because now invaded afghanistan full times in history and just being defeated at the time. but it doesn't stop and doing it some time to time, but loving some history is know, 6 is not so strong points of a of west impala placement. and this will boom. and i'm going to play it. it's going to lead to a revival of interest in the extreme islamic fanaticism in of islamic terrorism. and i think the, well, i'm pretty certain stone, you know, speaking to my own, my diplomatic contacts, that the west plan and certainly the business plan, which they would've been given by the americans is the, the, the immediate idea will be to target these most them days and explain to have this

whole new rock of to send them into a rock to take on the sheer melisha and which builds they support the comments about the government and but essentially they, they will look to the purpose them introduce starting the big the rockies, civil law in order to take the control of the rock that i'm to get somebody to city fund time, my guess is as a and they are liable to want to stick together as a fighting force. and i'm leasing them on see a militia in iraq would seem to me the a on the way, but the west will seek to dissipate the energies if you like to something new. something in the way which is still helpful to us. that interests because of the cost of the reality of policies i've been trying with the success to beside the

united states military to leave the rock for some time. the funds so payoffs into a rock hopelessly american military presence though. now you've been following the situation and galvan and of course the collapse of the syrian government has many implications for the conflict there. and because syria was used as the main logistical quarter of the or for him, us and other policy in the infections. and i remember the house on the thrall of the former secretary general of his buller saying before he was assassinated by israel. that without syria, there would be no palestine. what do you think is likely to happen both to the palestinian aspirations of the palestinian teacher that is born out of those frustrated aspirations. but think he must be said, the full hope sylvia is a disaster for the the access of resistance to goes, they put put column to use terminology, the supply lines to hezbollah affectively. because all the time we shouldn't forget

the, the, the, the people who and i, the government to 10, damascus of the absolute and the means of hezbollah and helping fighting the pest below. and if i touch the be located via is so well, is the sheltering them in the shadow of the go along heights of when they were defeated by augusta and city, a decision of civil war. and they were with tuck disagreements. we looked at up know of $2.00 to $8.00 live, but his beloved paid paid to they lots of posts and mood defeats and besides, so they all swollen enemies. what has won us a good, good time, sworn enemies, i've been wrong. so there is no way they're going to a live the continued supply called homes, to city a to, to has the last tell me wrong. and it's worth noting, but one of the very 1st may just statements make biofuel on the off to who took

power. was to say that the enemies of his beloved underground no, it's so uh, so this, this is an isabel send it, this is effectively design is government permits. so much of what's happening is crazy. and when there's some call from the buy side by says out trying to the side of this, the government may sound strange. but on the other hand, people should ask themselves why it is. but i says, i don't those the okay, the never ever ones in the history a tax is very little any is a the interest they've been sponsored by is a little from day one. but mr. mary, uh, i do repeat my question though, what they're saying that leaves uh the palestinian aspirations of statehood and you know, all the harsh feelings associated with not being treated as human beings. i think sadly, of the genocide and in casa is. so that's an advanced stage, nobody really knows how many of the population have died,

but there's no longer be able to start to, to support life file play in, in gaza. and i think we will see a the is very announcement to the i'm exec, some of gaza, the barely quite soon. but in the westbank, people live on the palestinian, the father to which i never thought i would see his somebody who you know, use to support the thought to that's i'm, i'm i, i never thought i would say, but publish student apology because open leave a tool as well, but that's what has become the case, but planing as low as 2 state solution bends, but the cannot be up to the state. so there's some, there's not enough list to for a city and state. garza is demolished, but the west bank has seen the settlements every day. settlements expanded in the west bank, the man to the west bank on the effective colour sting. him control is

a minority of the area under the sink. some think some sinks and things like a water is also is neither cold to land on the posting and controls. thing can sink from countries through this lim, similar is increasingly occupied. so the, the idea of a 2 state solution is that let's stop here on this very sobering node, but to go back to the discussion in a few moments. but for now, we have to take a short break states and the there was widely thought the year 2024 would be to multi was that it was however, in ways few had predicted the world did change in this ear though hardly for the better. what are the highlights 10 low likes

the welcome back to well, the part is pregnant, right? a former british diplomats missing the right before the break. we talked a lot about israel. the who for now seems to be of the main beneficiary of what's happening in syria. there have been some estimates that up to 80 percent of serious military infrastructure has been destroyed on the israeli tanks and out positions within the the 18 kilometers of the syrian the capital. want me all know what israel takes, it rarely returns. do you think it will stop there or do you think it would go perhaps further? because i've heard somebody's real officials now opened them using about the mass because being part of a, supposedly great israel. what do you think it will stop really hard to say with coastal because it's very hard to say, well, consult them. the problem is nobody in the immediate region has any kind of

a defense that's uh against. is there some wild be, is there any um, it has proven to be pretty effective in, in, in grounds, going back to, in southern lebanon. the example of its ability to just found countries into submission to me, to supply this cost by the united states and germany. is on charlotte and just uh, and that's what we saw in the lab. and then it's not just in city of israel. family has no intention of leaving goes pups of southern lebanon. that is, talk you buying up and will almost set they expand the the, the in the new. yeah. i think people have to understand but the, the great to israel project is very bill. it's not a concept. it's very bill. and those of us with being telling people of by to do the and i've seen it, their lives in real time with the expansion into garza,

into syria, into lebanon's. and, and the world has to decide whether it's prepared to put up with this the, the aggressive colonialist expansionist power, which has a cause to assist bassist dolton because that's what, that's what we're facing, the middle east. and it's very, very scary at the moment because the western world seems lines to the dangers of both things, such as an extreme and deal of system. all right, let me play the devil's advocate for a moment because i do agree with your characterization as of as really politics and policies. and you have the part of me when i look at what, what's happening uh, in the region and then the old be had a sports moving around them, the fears that many christian and um, you know, other minorities in the region have done part of me sort of understands why some of

them would appeal to israel for some sort of a protector. it do you think it makes sense for israel to try to be the guardian of those communities is more of them. humanitarian then on your cynical, jo, political purposes. a big store today. so the goal, because i've, i've, i've been tooling around southern lebanon and visiting churches and schools and other institutions, increasing villages which the sale has boned and destroyed quite deliberately and but so, but israel has wines. i'm the southern commit menu, christian communities in southern 11 and i visited one church is l boned killing 15 gallons workers who were using the church as a temporary headquarters during the emergency and who were killed that on the respite. so it didn't go is of course we have seen israel destroyed so it says new to me. i'm just starting hospitals of non bikes listed in china to some. so the

idea of israel has any sympathy for christy. i'm gonna tell you always and $0.90 a, a possible spencer. the both the christian communities is, is nonsense, and i would say i in 11 and i lived for 2 months in, inside one of the christian communities in lebanon, and nearby 10 to 15 percent of the system minority in lebanon. i would take the view, but they support is the among christians in lebanon. the vast majority of them to test as to what is the is, is doing that all the hist for historic reasons, the pockets of the, thankfully fast, the fastest christie and organizations which do support as well. but they, they up in no sense, a representative of the majority of the christian population. now there is another norman, the american la,

who is it seem to expand as greatness in syria. and i'm of course, talking about turkey, which uh, you know, who is, officials are now openly discussing. i left for being a part of a oh, died grader country. um, do you think now is a good moment for the church to try to make the political fantasies the reality? most of us have been the, the really taking the back by the open expansionism of both the tax and the extent to which it is um and has the minds of pretending have you. i feel like because he had done so much. uh, apparently blood work in promoting the color stinging cause, but the exact polls put it as a in the background all the time. but he was quoting,

took his expansion into syria. i don't imagine we will see any formal annexation of, of city inland by turkey. but we will see, i think, continued took his minutes ago to basement defacto until of hope the less oh, and the great to more of the north by, by to ok. i doesn't, you're going away any time soon. when i see all this competition for greater, israel are great. i turkey, part of me sort of, um its frozen because uh, i think it will be recent conflicts have told great powers that they have to be extremely careful about the, you know, biding what they can to. and i think that's one of the reasons you don't see the russian army and marching on key for beef because it doesn't want to deal with that kind of a situation. this is one of the reasons why perhaps iran and russia pulled back and didn't stand to define the assad government. do you seeing both israel and turkey have the resources, the military resources which are strategic resources,

the soft power resources to not only occupied the land, but a deal with the consequences of occupation and hopefully bring some sort of a settlement or lasting piece to those plans he certainly has the military ability to do so. um, but the cost, but it's a big deal of a resentment alongside of people's got the idea of being billed again by the took so who are in effect a full name perio power they may try to they will certainly try to occupy as much precocious populated touch as late as they can. um is fail so well never been pc. israel is a smooth supremacist, all village, joseph tempest. a states which has as many they respected organizations have pointed. i just found it on, on the principle of, of pot side. and it only knows violence and the guy, so the great what it is,

but what does collapse and it is clear that there's a so we are we, i'm not seeing an extreme solid fist government extolled it, installed in, in damascus. we're seeing israel dropping alter $0.10, attempting to live peacefully with the palestinians. and instead of being intent upon the extermination, understand this month of allowed to build a joseph chemist spent. so what they call it a sentence and a multi ethnic city and multi village, just multi so me know, societies of object beyond us, it in the, in the middle east. and as soon as you alluded to earlier, the existing community is which solving whole just come in just in q. and this is in the well, which are with some criticism and say the region data. they are the ones that great to stay and just want to come and develop. now i think the hi renee of this whole

situation is that there is also another 3rd group of another in the american allies of western allies like saudi arabia and the united arab emirates. it's a cool, i know it's a very excited about seeing syria being divided between israel on one hand, on turkey, on its moslem brother who with proxies. on the other hand, do you think washington or west more generally, can still be an effective med mediator among all its allies and there are competing appetites. it's always very difficult to to understand the motivations of the gulf states. um, on the one hand you have the religious motivation in which style, very keen to say sony is love and particularly so i have the some of those i'm and what have isn't the veil and that because some of a sudden pulmonology of interest in this, in this case with the most of the types in the,

in the city or on the other hand of those countries, the old, the governed by using a leads which are not very popular with public comes out dependent upon united states, military support and security. so the support handling is a security service support in order to stay and pilot against their own people so that the business continual balance go on and as moving a lead, split the interest as in personal finance javascript. so, but any kind of a global just strategy. so the says you've called consider the of the gulf states and terms of normal geo politics. them, but they are very, very strange entities. i only have time for one more question. uh, my perception i placed is that russia, china, a number of other countries are sort of pulling back and letting regional actors

resolve this global, perhaps letting the united states deal with all its competing allies. and the, i wonder if you think that's an exception because we want to use to the other way around, you know, re powers intervening. trying to, you know, expand their influence as rushing deep, let's say in 20122013. and later on, do you think that's the way your politics will be practice from now on, you know, region know, uh after is having a free hand and doing whatever they want to do, or do you think great powers will come back to the table and try to observe the influence in some shape or form. thank you. i think it's a great mistake. i understand the size of cost p occupied with your brain, that $100.00 spending a pretty major. there's also a particular military. there's also is an in u. k. but china has always avoid that involvement in,

in conflict, away from it shows. but i think china and russia h to be more involved in the making of a dangerous mistake by not being more involved. but if you listen to any of this occurred to cancel debates on the fundamental least over the last few months. it's with chinese and gusting delegates could speak the most sense, china and also so there may be cooling back call on the spot and turn to in particular should be existing. it's muscle not particularly like a normal muscle to false countries, particularly united states. so of which kinda holds emilia williams up the united states that the behaving the more responsible way. because otherwise, there really is a disc biscuit go definitely out of hand and possibly into nuclear war. so, so i'd love to see china and russia be more associated and didn't post and the father to whom situation? well, mr. marie, i guess we will have to wait and see what the next year will bring in terms of the

great power involvement. then there joe political responsibilities, but for now we have to leave it there. thank you very much for sharing your analysis. thank you very much. and thank you for watching hope to hear again on was a part of the

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