your crew, and we will be ready to do the part of the group of countries who would provide collective security guarantees. so no, no, no, no, they don't. absolutely, no one meet the 3 basis. no, mean a 30 minute 3 exercises on the granules. so elizabeth dissipation of 4 and 4 in troops and people here in boston all across russia. hope that's 2025 will find that they bring them victory in peace, vermont golf or of archie. and that's group public. not former us marine corps intelligence officer, scott richard returns to r t next, as he offers his view on whether makes those actions and piece being ukraine are compatible in any way. that's right. ahead in an early 2025 edition, of course the

the, [000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to cross stock were all things are considered and peter level nato says the line should not be considering a peace plan for ukraine, but instead, be focused on sending more weapons the cube again, the alliance demonstrates it can never entertain plans for peace and stability as well as security for all in the meantime, the slaughter continues the prospecting nato. i'm joining by my guest. scott ritter in del mar is

a former intelligence officer and united nations weapons inspector. in salt lake city, we have david pine. he is deputy director of national operations for the task force on national and homeland security. and in san francisco, he crossed to jack ross moves. he is an associate professor of economics at st. mary's college, as well as the author of the scourge of neo liberalism, or a gentleman. crosstalk rules and effect. that means he can jump any time you want, and i always appreciate it. let's go to 1st. the scotts scotts in washington dc. scott, you're usually in delmar. but you're in washington, why to washington? because the, today we are closer to a nuclear war between the united states and russia at any time in the nuclear. this is a far more dangerous situation that the cuban missile crisis. and if something isn't done to alter the trajectory that the united states is currently on with russia, there is a not just possibility, but probability of a, of

a nuclear war. so on saturday, i will be moderating a uh, an event of the national press club of we're gonna have 3 panels of distinguish speakers talking about the danger of nuclear war and talking about what can be done to, to get congress to, to take action, to put pressure of the bind administration between now and january, 28th, and also what could be done to get the trump transition team to speak out forcefully against this policy. specifically, the use by ukraine of american provided american targeted attack of dismissals. the united states is a party to this conflict. we are actively attacking russia as we speak. i would say one more died. so your audience is very clear on this. the united states is attacking russia. this is an act of war. and if we continue to do this, russia has every right to respond in kind which could lead to direct conflict

between united states and russia, which will inevitably become a nuclear war. so we're trying to stop this. this is what i've tried to do this coming saturday. well, i commend you and i hope it gets as much coverage as possible. i will do my best obviously, david in, in salt lake city, on the back of what scott decided, which is very important, is it in the, in the media is we get, we're getting dribs and drabs right now of what of the a bite and the outgoing by the administration is leaving the incoming trump administration. we know the cast of characters we have. we've had a general keith kelly. we of j. d vance. rick right now. um. okay, fine. but the thing is i'm reading particularly like from bloomberg, a quote. ukraine seeks a sustainable piece. well, it's what she expects, the same stressing that temporary resolutions would not serve us or ukrainian interest. this is a theme that we keep going over and over and over to russia. has interest to rush

is involved in this here. but we constantly see plans being made really with the exclusion of russia. it's, that's not going to work. go ahead and salt lake city. you know, you're absolutely right here. um, when uh, you know, it's difficult when a power is, is in our country's when he, in a war, there are other wants to get this the term. so in this case, russia has been one of the war over the last 2 or 3 years. i think gas uh no longer debatable. and, you know, as a result, you prayed in the us have to accept a piece piece agreement terms that are minimally acceptable to the russian federation. and so that, that's really the key that's been missing all this talk about nato membership being pushed back. that's completely unacceptable to russia. the idea of the week that we would send data peacekeepers to patrol at the end of the that, i mean that is that on arrival, there's no way that the present people would accept that. so you know, the key, the key to you praise security is,

is not on the line with the west because we prefer not capable providing for their security of ukraine is lost. 38 percent of its population since 2014 mostly refugees and its economy is it has been destroyed. its people at the structure has been destroyed. it's notorious. been wiped out with a 1000000 casualties, which 400000 are dead. and the only way can have security is through a friendly relations with russian parish wells, as it did from 1991 to 2014. yes. but see yeah, it's got a jack in san francisco. that's why i have long argued the day this started ukraine last because the european pan, your opinion, security order had been destroyed. did send tigers right now. and that is because of nato, that is because of nato expansion. we need a complete re thing when, when ukraine security is considered, it cannot be separated from russia's, and this is what the west,

particularly nato does not want to deal with. go ahead in san francisco. i don't think the nato wants peace. they may, i agree with you. absolutely. i agree with you. sorry. go ahead. the items are good pieces on the agenda here. they're looking for some formula to begin negotiations without any kind of intent to several anything. and what we've got going on in the american ministration. now there's been some tense, internal battle as to who is going to represent the trump administration and trying to seek some sort of negotiations. and it's really where it's um, because of the appointments recently looked like a retread, neil kinds, i mean, you got waltz, do not work, or you got rubio heads. this is probably out and you got the sense is probably in a most of the trouble appointments that was supposed to shake up the deep state. uh, you know, i walk through right now and uh, i don't, i get bought tens uh much positive here. uh. as i said,

they may try to begin negotiations of some kind, but that will be to justify. uh, uh, further uh, arm shipments to say, well, we gotta negotiate from a position to strength. clear. so we gotta really post the ukraine, but you know, you can send all the weapons, you want the, but if a ukraine is losing reserves in the, you know, the quality of, of the new recruits is such a, it's not going to make much difference if they send the more weapons. emma's scott also in the same kind of media particularly bloomberg, seems to have a corner on the market right now. there was mention of, but of course carrots and sticks will be needed. i think we've had enough sticks with this. that's why we need to resolve this complex. again, you know this, this is a, it's like a self licking ice cream cone. you, this is, it's all hermetically, close there. and plus, there was no communication with the russian federation at all. i mean,

how can use but even think about negotiations. let's go back to the premises, the you discussed with your other guess of united states and data or not looking for a piece. the current policy of the united states is to see the strategic defeat of russia using the ukranian proxy conflict is the principal tool of the stabilisation . that is the official policy as united states and nato. so everything that's being done right now is not designed to be in opposition to the policy, but you recognize the difficulties of the current situation and try to mitigate that gets to feed by creating contain. but what we're looking at right now with all these thoughts about these is not about normalize relations. creating good relations is about containing russia, about trying to limit the scope and scale of the russian victory to keep it temporary in nature until some future date. when the russian gains decide reverse

the ukrainians are straight up honest about this. so the trump administration has to understand that any success with russia, because i agree with your, your, your, your guess this is a non starter i, i can't speak on behalf of the russian government. indeed, just simply a period on the show was get a very budget irritate the f b i, which is prevent prohibitive, be from speaking to you to our team, to anybody in the russian government. but i don't care who the but the fact is, we're not about normalize relations. we are about containing russia. and if we don't start off the truck, the administration started off, not only by preventing a nuclear war by seeing this attack on russia, but by openly say that we no longer are seeking the strategic defeat of russia. because that's the, that's the, that there is a requirement for going forward. if we continue to pursue a policy that speak 6, the strategic defeat of russia,

russian will never sit down at the table with us. why sit down and talk to an enemy who's trying to defeat you? what you need to do therefore, is defeat the enemy, which is what russian was doing on the battle feeling you great. yeah, david, the way the units being reported that, you know, mean what's coming out of the, by the ministration, which of course is trying to make the situation as worse as possible. and that is a new and remarkable achievement of this outgoing failed administration. but essentially what they're doing is they're saying what's have min minutes 3. i mean it's, you know, almost no one knows that because we, we are outside of a few programs like this and a judge nap where scott appears quite often. people do know the history, mens 12, but we're not going to do number 3. that's not an on the cards. go ahead. dave, as well. main street was the symbol agreement. you know russia committed there and prayer and ask for it for a pre war. ukrainian territory over there now for a structure like we would have a next the, the dog boss people through complex, but that still would have left 93 percent of the brands that are nationally

recognize territory for any control. so they had a tremendous opportunity to have a win win piece agreement back in march 2012, 22. and the final step worst johnson to be jo it. so it says, i don't think divided restoration is interested in these they're, they're trying to rash up the world, present the, you know, the truck with the, with a hard to sabotage is very sincere attempts to end the war. i think trunk will be successful in uh you know, 14 a ceasefire that ends ends. the warranty crane. i'm a little bit more skeptical that he'll be willing to immediately entertain piece terms that are, you know, a long term piece terms that are acceptable to russia. yeah. but i make this appointment in general, can't walk the problem or the but the problem with that is i'll go and go back to jack in san francisco. is it a ceasefire? isn't the solution here that doesn't solve the security problems that the, the european cotton in faces right now, a ceasefire, a truce?

it's not going to work for the reasons that scott, just a numerated. go ahead jack. before we go to the break. yeah, i don't think that even minuses fire i, i think they want another formula for continuing to conflict. maybe at a, at a lower intensity here in the us. uh, you know, the neo cons the don't leave. they have to be asked to be driven out the there's no solution to this through a negotiation in a compromise and ok, it's all over. let's go home. no, they'll stay in no fight in some way. and that's what they're searching for. right now they're searching for some new a new arrangement where the, the war can be continued under the. yeah. but that, that would mean not going right back to the beginning of the program with scott that would mean escalation. well gentlemen, we don't have much further to go before you're at the ultimate escalation,

jack. i mean, 10 seconds before we go to the break deck. yeah, well, uh, i don't think they want the further escalation, unless they can. uh, you know, more uh russia into using tactical moods. i think that's what the price i, i think they have, they've taken care of that. what weapon care category. and we'll get to talk about that in the next part of the program. gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on nato and ukraine. stay with our team. the by the middle of the 19th century. practically the whole of india had been under the rule of the british and by the colonial authorities that imposed that heavy death, bringing the people into poverty, ex, 40 natural resources,

and more over these authorities absolutely had no consideration for the physicians of the local population. treating them like 2nd class citizens, the british were showing signs of disrespect even to those who operated with them. the facts of ignoring the religious believes of the hindus led them. you may have, as the voice mercenaries older serving under the british ground. 3000000000 began on the 10th of may 1857 in the garrison town of may river, north of india in the form of abuse. the rebels quickly took over daily that he rode. the resistance of the indian people lasted for one and a half years. however, the forces were not equal. the colonial authorities dealt with the rebels, cruel, late fee and slaves. the boys were tied to the mouth of the cannon and were shot right through their bodies for the amusement of the public. these type of execution was called the devil's with the obliteration of them, you may result the death of 800000 inhabitants of indians. however,

the british empire ever broke the free spirit of the indians and their will for resist the welcome back. the cross block were all things are considered on peter labelle to mind. you were discussing nato n ukraine. the . well, let's go back to scott in washington. you know, for all the talk of, of negotiations. i'm getting a team together and the point person on all that, scott, at the end of the day this is going to be dealt with on the battlefield is that's the only because of the, the type of people that are being um, involved in this here. i mean, what that mean, kelly's what to mean. he and he's been doing this for like 70 years or something. i mean people don't change. okay. and that's why it's good to be settled on the

battlefield. scott, you know, i, i believe that again, i don't pretend to have any insight into russian government thinking i don't speak on behalf of the russian government. that's the little aside for the f b i who's watching this that's just my assessment. after years of studying the russian government, this russian government, they haven't done what they've done here. they didn't initiate what they called military technical means back in february of 2022. just to throw it all away. people need to understand that russia has committed to a course of action that will only hit this is an extra stipulation for russia. that's a critical words, words matter when you're dealing with russians with russian balls. this is an extra essential issue in russia is committed the national survival of russia to this conflict. and they are not going to deal. they are not going to throw it away, anything less than a cheating. the outcomes that they have articulated, which is no nato membership, demilitarization of ukraine,

the notification of your grade, anything less than that is a strategic defeat for russia. therefore, unacceptable to russia in the west needs to understand that in pushing russia to this could remember this conflict didn't begin. in february 22, this conflict began well prior to 2014, but it, it, it took a detroit form in 2014, and russia has been seeking to avoid this conflict that entire time. what do you think permits one was? what do you think vince 2 was? what do you think the rushing the effort to of to insert draft treaties. december of 2021. what you got? what do you think the 1st negotiation phase post conflict was to get to minutes? 3 and this of all over the effort to avoid this very situation. but the west refused to cooperate. the west refused to negotiate. in russia now is fully committed, fully committed to achieving the outcome. it's says,

must take place for russia to survive. this is an extra central struggle, that's why i think any talk of negotiation, freeze cease, fire is a non starter because it would be russia basically say we lost it versus not losing their winning on every phase of this conflict, militarily, economically. politically, well, either gave it's andrew saying that again, so many people in the west of failed to understand because they're not told is that this is an x, a central correct for russia. but for nato, this is a choice. this is a craven choice rush. it does not threaten nato security, but nato threatens russian security. david in salt lake city as well. i think russia definitely does. the threatened due to security today. they didn't do so before the war. that's that was you. what you need the frame is made. so is attacking russian territory. that is a threat is russia attacking nato territory?

no, it is, it, it's not the same thing. you can't the but you can, you can pair the to keep going and salt lake city. yeah, you're absolutely right. so nato is being the aggressor here, you know, it's been the funk fairly demonizes that as the dresser. this was not enough for vote progression. this was the most provoked more that i've ever seen in modern history. and you know, cause want a pc spent 15 years trying to negotiate a peaceful solution to the excess doubtful threat update on ukraine in every day since every day since the day after the war. russia has at peace terms that were mostly reasonable in it and would create the situation for adjusting the last new piece. you know, the real solution is, is on. it's on the negotiating table. you know, we need an u. s. needs indigo. she kind of a new and talk with, with russian artist the dates on it and taught where the us and russia,

because strategic partners to support the peace and stability throughout the world . but especially in europe. and we can do that by reading to uh, you know, end the war on drugs. so russia, pulling back all of us troops, 20000 us troops and eastern europe, withdrawing all of our nuclear weapons from, from your wisdom reciprocal reciprocal concessions on the russian side. and then restoring full diplomatic and traits last week we should have a free trade treaty with, with russia. we should have a, you know, totally engagement. we should, we should give them a sphere of influence. and you know, all the former soviet republics except for the baltic states and in return they can give us your reports in, in western uh, the western hemisphere. but uh, i think uh, the advantages of hope here is the community is a champion apiece. uh president, trump is a chair in a piece these pick some, some new cause, some very good want to america 1st in service, but also some neo cons that don't want peace. and i think he's going to get very

frustrated with those new context. and he's going to twist their arms and make them agree, you know, accept the terms that are acceptable to, to moscow. yeah, well, i had a jack in san francisco. i think they died from day one of the, the, the deep states or the bureaucratic state, the permanent state. they're going to turn ukraine into donald trump's biggest nightmare. and we already see it happening because jack, with the idea is the david just a numerator on our good ideas. i couldn't disagree. cope with being paid for doing any of them. jack. yeah, well, you know, uh, this is not just the conflict in ukraine. uh, i wrote an article in january 22 before the hot war began entitled 10 reasons why the us, they want russia to invade ukraine. there's a lot to the game for the empire by initiating, continuing this war. you know,

before the war, us was losing influence. was that made a well, now they've totally, you know, captured, recaptured nato again. and one of the main objectives of the war, i say, wish to draw russia out of western europe economically. and the us to, uh, you know, penetrate into europe and take over the energy reading some of the other industries . well, the u. s. a. empire has been totally successful amount objective. there's other objectives as well involved with this or not just the feeling russia on the ground . and that's one reason why i think they're going to continue this conflict in some shape or other even under trump. well, i mean it, it, yeah, i think this is going to be with us all for a very long time. it's interesting, jack, what you said, i mean the united states is very kind to its allies, isn't it? i mean, they destroy its energy infrastructure. it wrap it in place and sag nation, and this is all because you're a member of nato. it's really remarkable. scott, i'll bet you. i'm not a really a betting man, but whatever outcome there is,

it's good to go back to the diplomatic notes that russia sent to the united states and to nato uh, in december, before the february of 2022, with god. that's the roadmap. and they're going to refer back to it. i bet you anything they're going to do that, scott. and i think you're a 100 percent correct. of the video at the time rushes submitted these draft treaties to nato into the united states. so they were marked him, western circles is unrealistic of what is russia think they're doing because the perception was the rush was operate from a position with the weakest today. i don't think anybody's thinks the rush is operating from a position of windows. had these draft documents suddenly become a extraordinarily well fried out pieces of diplomacy that could create a european security framework that couldn't gender the kinds of stability that was

spoken of that has a western sphere of influence, a russian street of life importance and not a in in the 2 sides, not being in conflict, but here's the problem. nato does. the rush is a threat in rush. it is a threat that because russia threatened state of but because nato has defined its very existence as being predicated on a need to confront russia next, essentially. therefore, the failure to defeat russia has led to a situation where data is in danger of collapsing. you know, you speak of the united states coming in and disrupting the european economy to take it over. good congratulations, america you did. did in the united states predict the rise of a alternative for doing sled in the fact that if it lands and it's heavy on a trajectory of victory, jeremy withdraw from the you, which means jeremy withdrawals from the data. that's not what the united states wanted. did they predict the parliamentary outcome in france now that protest tried

to avoid, but he kept his government, the government's collapsing now of pro peace, the sympathetic russian parliament might come in the united states and predict that europe is devolving, collapsing re defining itself. and so that's the only reason why these russian draft, these may not be viable anymore because they were drafted with a strong unified you're in mind, i don't think you're a big sister anymore, and i don't think it's going to exist. so there's going to have to be of russia in the united states or to this out. i think europe is based on the 5 itself. i absolutely agree here. you know, it's interesting, it's got the, you know, they, they, they, they, you had all the variables, the sanctions and the oil embargo, all days. they had all of these things figured out except for, oh, democracy. they didn't take that into account and now it's coming at a blow black. i'm blowing back at them david, you know, where is maga in all of this?

i'm really quite bewildered. ok. the trump ran on this very openly. okay. i don't think anybody to agree you're all saw within 24 hours. okay. that that was campaign hyperbole. but you know, where is maggie in this foreign policy? i'm getting a little worried. go ahead and salt lake city as well. trip isn't it? as made a few really good pigs. uh, you know, uh, tulsa gabber, guys and some other folks like that that i think you're going to give them some good advice. and most notably, j. e. man, i mean, judy vance is the very vocal opponent of the war and ukraine is. he was wanted to end it yesterday. and he's, he's going to be a visual and drugs here. i'm telling them to, you know, to be, to all count, lots ridiculous, you know, con proposals for, for a ceasefire. peace with russia. so, you know, my opinion should have sent ged bass to be that special ed boy to negotiate the,

the rest of the parentheses. pretty much and by the way this, this needs to be a us rush or a piece for you pray and does not need to be involved. us represents you crazy interest. and zaleski is out a lot any piece piece uh, negotiations with uh, the russian federation. so he is privy to the uh, you know, not a reliable partner for peace truck is, is, or israel. i am a part of visa. fine, of course has a joke. uh, he spent 10 minutes in the last 3 years talking about ukraine, basically is reading our position, our opposition to russia's invasion, which was essentially kind of a pre emptive invasion to roll back. and, you know, went through all expansion in ukraine and restore your brand to it's a peaceful lot for state and federal law for state status, a pre made onto. so i still hopeful, but the more i've heard about the kellogg plan, the more discouraged i am in terms of an immediate solution. well, as i said, as low as i said in my and at the end of my introduction,

the slaughter continues. gentlemen, i really appreciated very thoughtful program and that's all the time we have one, i think my guess in washington, dc, salt lake city and in san francisco. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here are see, see, next time. and remember across the of the, [000:00:00;00] the corner, suddenly minding feet suddenly less finley or more in the form of the issues each screw when the customer will just didn't like they didn't know it sits on. that's the reason for supposed to do it. but still on the ocean where y'all are still, well,

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