instead, us authorities are transferring $3400000000.00 to ukraine. she explained that this is the last payment for key to from the funds allocated by congress in 2024. from now on and as to you must negotiate any new subsidies or assistance within you white house administration. now, all along the campaign trail, trump, i made a promise to and so you create in conflict in 24 hours. now as president select these, closing the idea to freeze the conflicts at the moment. it's all talks, but when he thinks office of january 20th, he'll have to find the articulate his plan. keep in mind rushes conditions. the principle is, uh no, none of the deluxe staples, so feel free and we would be ready to be part of the group of countries who would provide collective security together into so no, no, no, no, they don't absolutely know me. the 3 bases. no mean

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hello and welcome to cross stock were all things are considered and peter lavelle, nato says the line should not be considering a peace plan for ukraine, but instead, be focused on sending more weapons. the cube again, the alliance demonstrates it can never entertain plans for peace and stability as well as security for all in the meantime, the slaughter continues the cross talking nato. i'm joined by my guess. scott ritter in del mar is a former intelligence officer and united nations weapons inspector. in salt lake city. we have david pine. he is deputy director of national operations for the task force on national and homeland security. and in san francisco, he crossed to jack ross moves. he is an associate professor of economics at st. mary's college, as well as the author of the scourge of neo liberalism, are

a gentleman. crosstalk rules and effect. that means it can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate it. let's go to 1st. the scotts scotts in washington dc. scott, you're usually in delmar, but you're in washington. why? to washington? because the, today we are closer to a nuclear war between the united states and russia at any time. and the nuclear, this is a far more dangerous situation than the cuban missile crisis. and if something isn't done to alter the trajectory that the united states is currently on with russia, there is a, not just possibility, but probably of a, of a nuclear war. so saturday, i will be moderating a uh, an event of the national press club of we're gonna have 3 panels of distinguish speakers talking about the danger of nuclear war and talking about what can be done to, to get congress to, to take action, to put pressure on the binding ministration between now and january, 28th,

and also what can be done to get the trump transition team to speak out forcefully against this policy. specifically, the use by ukraine of america provided american targeted attack and dismissals. the united states is a party to this conflict. we are actively attacking brush as we speak. i'll say it one more time. so your audience is very clear of this. the united states is attacking russia. this is an act of war. and if we continue to do this, russia has every right to respond in kind which could lead to direct conflict between united states and russia, which will inevitably become a nuclear war. so we're trying to stop this. this is what i've tried to do this coming saturday. well, i come into and i hope it gets as much coverage as possible. i will do my best, obviously, david in, in salt lake city, on the back of what scott just said, which is very important. is it in the, in the media is we get it. we're getting dribs and drabs right now of what of the

a bite and the outgoing by the administration is leaving the incoming trump administration. and we know the types of characters we have. we've had a general keith kelly. we of ged vance. rick right now. um. okay, fine, but the things i'm reading particularly like from bloomberg and quote, ukraine 6, a sustainable piece. well, it's what she expects the same stressing that temporary resolutions would not serve us. so ukrainian interest, this is a theme that we keep going over and over and over to russia, has interest to rush is involved in this here. but we constantly see plans being made really with the exclusion of russia. it's, that's not going to work. go ahead and salt lake city. you know, you're absolutely right here. um, when uh, you know, it's difficult when a power is there's no countries winning a war there and it wants to get this the term. so in this case,

russia has been wanting to, or over the last 2 or 3 years, i think this uh, no longer debatable. and you know, as a result, you prayed in the us have to accept a piece piece agreement terms that are minimally acceptable to the russian federation. and so that, that's really the key that's been missing all this talked about nato membership being pushed back. that's completely unacceptable. to russia, the idea of the week that we would send data peacekeepers to patrol a dmc that i me that is that on arrival there's no way that the present person would accept that. so you know, the key, the key to you praise security is, is not the one with the west because we prefer not capable providing for their security. if you grant is as lost uh 38 percent of its population since 2014 mostly refugees and its economy as it has been destroyed, it's pretty political structure has been destroyed. it's notorious, been wiped out with the 1000000 casualties,

which 400000 are data. and the only way you can have security is through a friendly relations with russian federation. well as it did from 1991 to 2014. yes . but see, yeah, it's got a jack in san francisco. that's why i have long argued the day this started ukraine last because the european pan, your pain security order had been destroyed. did it's in pat or is right now. and that is because of nato, that is because of nato expansion. we need a complete re thing. when, when ukraine security is considered, it cannot be separated from russia's. and this is what the west, particularly nato does not want to deal with. go ahead in san francisco. i don't think uh, nato wants peace. they may, i agree with you. absolutely. i agree with you. sorry. go ahead. the items are good pieces on the agenda here. they're looking for some formula to begin negotiations without any kind of intent to several anything and what we've got going on in the american ministration. now there's been some tense, internal battle,

as to who is going to represent the trump administration and trying to seek some sort of negotiations. and it's really where it's um, because uh, the appointments recently looked like a retread, neo cons. i mean, you got waltz, do doug? work or you got rubio heads. this is probably out and you got the sense is probably in a most of the trouble appointments that was supposed to shake up the deep state. uh, you know, i think is blocked right now and uh, i don't like it, but tens uh, much positive here. uh. as i said, they may try to begin negotiations of some kind, but that will be to justify. uh, uh, further uh, arm shipments to say, well, we gotta negotiate from a position to strength. clear. so we gotta really post the ukraine, but you know, you can send all the weapons you want. uh, but if uh ukraine is losing reserves in the you know,

the quality of the new recruits is such a is not gonna make much difference if they send uh, more weapons. amazon scott also in the same kind of media particularly got bloomberg seems to have a corner on the market right now. there was mention of but of course the carrots and sticks will be needed. i think we've had enough sticks with this. that's why we need to resolve this complex. again, you know this, this is a, it's like a self licking ice cream cone. you, this is, it's all hermetically, close there. and plus, there's no communication with the russian federation at all. i mean, how can use but even think about negotiations. let's go back to the premises. the you discussed with your other guess of united states data or not looking for a piece. the current policy of the united states is to see the strategic defeat of russia using the ukranian proxy conflict is the principal tool of the stabilisation

. that is the official policy as united states and nato. so everything that's being done right now is not designed to be in opposition to the policy, but to recognize the difficulties of the current situation and try to mitigate that gets to feed by creating contain. but what we're looking at right now with all these talked about peace is not about normalize relations. creating good relations is about containing russia about trying to limit the scope and scale of the russian victory to keep it temporary in nature until some future day when the russian gauge is not refers, the ukrainians are straight up honest about this. so the trumpet, ministration has to understand that any success with russia, because i agree with your, your, your, your guess this is a non starter i, i can't speak on behalf of the russian government. indeed, just simply a period of the show is going to vary budget, irritate the of the i, which is prevent, prohibited me from speaking to you to our team,

to anybody in the russian government. but i don't care who the but the fact is, we're not about normalize relations. we are about containing russia. and if we don't start off the truck, the administration started off, not only by preventing a nuclear war by ceasing this attack on russia, but by openly say that we no longer are seeking the strategic defeat of russia. because that's the, that's the, that there is a requirement for going forward. if we continue to pursue a policy that speak 6, the strategic defeat of russia, russia will never sit down at the table with us. why sit down and talk to an enemy who's trying to defend you? what you need to do, therefore, it is defeat the enemy, which is what russian was doing on the battlefield in your great. yeah, david, the way the it's being reported. yeah. you know, mean what's coming out of the, by the ministration, which of course is trying to make the situation as worse as possible. that isn't a remarkable achievement of this outgoing failed administration. but essentially

what they're doing is they're saying what's have min minutes, 3. i mean it's, you know, almost no one knows that because we, we are outside of a few programs like this and a judge nap where scott appears quite often. people do know that history means 12, but we're not going to do number 3. that's not an on the cards. go ahead. dave, as well means great. was the assemble agreement, you know, rushing, committed there and drop there and ask for it for a pre. were you creating territory? no, they're not. for a structure like we would have a next the, the dog boss, people through complex, but that still would have left 93 percent of the brands that are nationally recognize territory for any control. so they had a tremendous opportunity to have a win win piece agreement back in march, 201222 and the final step restaurants of the retailer. so uh, i don't think divided restoration is interested in these they're, they're trying to rash up the world present. uh, you know, the truck with a little hard to sabotage. is there a sincere attempts to end the war?

i think trunk will be successful in uh, you know, 14 a ceasefire that ends in the warren ukraine. i'm a little bit more skeptical that he'll be willing to immediately entertain piece terms that are, you know, a long term piece terms that are acceptable to russia. yeah. but disappointment in general can walk through the problem or the but the problem with that is i'll go, i'll go back to jack in san francisco, is it a ceasefire? isn't the solution here that doesn't solve the security problems that the, the european cotton and faces right? now a ceasefire, a truce, it's not going to work for the reasons that scott, just a numerated. go ahead jack before we go to the break. yeah, i don't think david minuses fire. i, i think they want another formula for continuing to conflict. maybe at a, at a lower intensity here. the us, uh, you know, the neo cons don't leave. they have to be asked to be driven out that there's no

solution to this through a negotiation in a compromise, then ok, it's all over. let's go home. uh no they'll, they'll stay and they'll find some way and that's what they're searching for. right now, they're searching for some new, a new arrangement where the, the war can be continued under the. yeah. but that, that wouldn't mean not going right back to the beginning of the program, wisconsin. that would mean escalation. well gentlemen, we don't have much further to go before you're at the ultimate escalation, jack. i mean, 10 seconds before we go to the break deck. yeah, well uh, i don't think they want the further escalation unless they can, you know, lower or russia into using tactical moods. i think that's what the price i, i think they have to, they've taken care of that, what weapon care category. and we'll get to talk about that in the next part of the problem gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break,

we'll continue our discussion on nato and ukraine. stay with our team. the of the us near to any kind of leads to the, in the articles. and you might, it's a city of the least amount of snippets of what you mean, you know, probably my company in the united. so it's kind of shows my neighbors list of most of dealing with people to close to the middle, which the portables seem and use the link duty is no stores at the store to,

to 24. go would need to a few minutes 0. it's a good key on the phone. yeah. it's of that. the . the welcome, ect. across stock were all things are considered. i'm peter la belcher mind. you were discussing nato n. you create the . well, let's go back to scott in washington. you know, for all the talk of, of negotiations, i'm getting a team together and the point person on all that,

scott, at the end of the day this is going to be dealt with on the battlefield is that's the only because of the, the type of people that are being involved in this here. i mean what that mean? kelly's what mean? he and he's been doing this for like 70 years or something. i mean people don't change. okay. and that's why it's going to be settled on the battlefield. scott, you know, i, i believe that again, i don't pretend to have any insight into russian government thinking i don't speak on behalf of the russian government. that's the little aside for the f b i who's watching this that's just my assessment. after years of studying the russian government, this russian government, they haven't done what they've done here. they didn't initiate what they called military technical means back in february of 2022. just to throw it all away. people need to understand that russia has committed to a course of action that will only hit this is an extra stipulation for russia.

that's a critical words, words matter when you're dealing with russians and russian policy. this is an x, the central issue in russia is committed the national survival of russia to this conflict. and they are not going to deal. they are not going to throw it away, anything less than a cheating. the outcomes that they have articulated, which is no nato membership, demilitarization of ukraine, the notification of your grade. anything less than that is a strategic defeat for russia. therefore, unacceptable to russia in the less needs to understand that, that in pushing russia to this could remember this conflict didn't begin. in february 22. this conflict began well prior to 2014, but it, it took its current form in 2014, and russia has been seeking to avoid this conflict that entire time. what do you think menaced one was, what do you think vince 2 was? what do you think the rushing the effort to of to insert draft treaties?

december of 2021 while you go. what do you think the 1st negotiation phase post conflict was to get to minutes? 3 and this of all the effort to avoid this very situation. but the west refused to cooperate. the west refused to negotiate in russia now is fully committed, fully committed to achieving the outcome. and it's says, must take place for russia to survive. this is an extra central struggle, that's why i said, any talk of negotiation, freeze cease, fire is a non starter because it would be russia basically say we lost it versus not losing their winning on every phase of this conflict, militarily, economically, politically, well, either gave a tender thing that again, so many people in the west of failed to understand because they're not told is that this is an x, a central threat for russia. but for nato, this is a choice. this is

a craving choice rush. it does not threaten nato security, but nato threatens russian security. david in salt lake city as well. i think russia definitely does the threatened native security today. they didn't do so before the war that's. that's why it was created in mexico is attacking russian territory. that is a threat is russia attacking nato territory. no, it is. it is not the same thing. you can't, they, you can't pair the to keep going and salt lake city. yeah, you're absolutely right. so nato is being the aggressor here. you know, it's been a fairly demonizes as the dresser. uh, this was not enough for both progression. this was the most provoked more that i've ever seen in our history. and you know, cause want a pc said 15 years trying to negotiate a peaceful solution to the excess dental threat of data on ukraine in every day sense every day since the day after the war,

russia has had peace terms that were mostly reasonable and would create the situation for just the last the piece, you know, the real solution is, is on. it's on the negotiating table. you know, we need to, us needs to negotiate, uh, kind of, uh, a new and talk with uh, with russian not just the dates on it. and taught where the us and russia, because strategic partners to support the peace and stability throughout the world . but especially in europe. and we can do that by reading to uh, you know, getting the war on drugs. so russia, pulling back all us troops, 20000 us troops from eastern europe, withdrawing all of our nuclear weapons from, from europe, wisdom reciprocal, reciprocal concessions on the russian side. and then restoring full diplomatic and traits last week we should have a free trade treaty with, with russia. we should have, you know, totally engagement. we should, we should give them a sphere of influence. and you know,

all the former soviet republics, except for the baltic states and immature uh, they can give us your thoughts, it in, in western uh, the western hemisphere. but uh, i think uh, the advantages of hope you're is the community is a champion apiece. uh president trump is a chair going to be is these pick some, some neo cons? some very good want to america 1st in service, but also some new cons that don't want peace. and i think he's going to get very frustrated with those new context. and he's going to twist their arms and make them agreed, you know, accept the terms that are accept the whole to, to moscow. yeah. well, i had a jack in san francisco. i think they died from day one of the, the, the deep state or the bureaucratic state, the permanent state. they're going to turn ukraine in to donald trump's biggest nightmare. and we already see it happening because jack with the ideas that david just a numerator on rock are good ideas. i couldn't disagree. cope with being paid for doing any of them. jack. yeah, well, you know, uh,

this is not just the conflict in ukraine. uh, i wrote an article in january 22 before the hot war began entitled 10 reasons why the us, they want russia to invade ukraine. there's a lot to the game for the empire by initiating, continuing this war. you know, before the war uh us was losing influence with the nato. well, now they've totally, you know, captured, recaptured nato again. and one of the main objectives of the war i think, was to draw russia out of western europe economically. and the us to, uh, you know, penetrate into europe and take over the energy we in some of the other industries. well, the u. s. a. empire has been totally successful in mount objective. there's other objectives as well involved with this. busy not just defeating russia on the ground, and that's one reason why i think they're going to continue this conflict in some shape or other even under trump. well, i mean it, it, yeah,

i think this is going to be with us all for a very long time. it's interesting, jack, what you said, i mean the united states is very kind to its allies. so it isn't it, i mean, they destroy its energy infrastructure. it wrap it in place and sag nation. and this is all because you're a member of nato. it's really remarkable, scott, i'll bet you. i'm not a really a betting man, but whatever outcome there is, it's good to go back to the diplomatic notes that russia sent to the united states and to nato. uh, in december before the february of 2022. because that's the roadmap and they're going to refer back to it. i bet you anything they're going to do that, scott. and i think you're a 100 percent correct. of the video at the time rushes submitted these draft treaties to nato into the united states. so they were marked him. the western circles is unrealistic of what is russia think they're doing because the perception

was the rush was operate from a position of weakness today. i don't think anybody's thinks the rush is operating from a position of we just had these draft documents suddenly become an extraordinarily well thought out pieces of diplomacy that could create a european security framework that could engender the kinds of stability that was spoken of that has a western sphere that once a russians 3 or what influence and not a, in, in the 2 sites, not being in conflict, but here's the problem. nato does. the rush is a threat in russia is a threat that because russia threatened the state of, but because nato has defined its very existence as being predicated on a need to confront russia existentially. therefore, the failure to defeat russia has led to a situation where data is in danger of collapsing. you know, you speak of the united states coming in and disrupting of the european economy to

take it over. good, congratulations, america. you did it. didn't the united states predict the rise of a alternative for don't let in the fact that if it lands and it's heavy on a trajectory of victory, jeremy withdraw from the you, which means jeremy withdrawals from the data. that's not what the united states wanted. did they predict the parliamentary outcome in france now that protest tried to avoid, but he kept his government, the government's collapsing now of pro peace, the sympathetic russian parliament micro in the united states and predict that europe is devolving, collapsing re defining itself. and so that's the only reason why these russian draft it is, may not be viable anymore, because the state were drafted with a strong unified europe in mind. i don't think the europe exists anymore, and i don't think it's going to exist. so there's going to have to be of russia in the united states or to this out. i think europe is baseball. no 5 itself. i

absolutely agree here. you know, it's interesting. it's got the, you know, they, they, they, they, you had all the variables, the sanctions in the oil embargo, all days. they had all of these things figured out except for, oh, democracy. they didn't take that into account and now it's coming at a blow black. i'm blowing back at them, david, you know, where is mag and all of this? i'm really quite bewildered. okay. the trump ran on this very openly. okay. i don't think anybody to agree or i'll solve within 24 hours. okay. that, that was campaign hyperbole. but you know where he is maggie in this foreign policy, i'm getting a little worried. go ahead and salt lake city as well. trip isn't it? is made a few really good goods. you know, it's all scabbard guys and some other folks like that. but i think you're going to give them some good advice. and most notably, journeyman, i mean, judy vance is very vocal opponent of the war. and ukraine is he was wanted to end

it yesterday and he's, he's going to be a visual. and drugs here are telling them to, you know, to be, to all kill lots ridiculous, you know, con proposals for, for ceasefire. peace with russia. so, you know, in my opinion, you should have sent judy vance to be that special ed boy to negotiate the, the rest of the brain disagreement. and by the way, this, this needs to be a us rush or a piece for you. praying does not need to be involved. us represents the praise interest, and zaleski is out a lot of the piece piece uh, negotiations with uh, the russian federation. so he is proven to be uh, you know, not a reliable part of a piece. a truck is, is, or israel, i am a part of the visa. fine, of course is a joke. uh, he spent 10 minutes in the last 3 years talking about new credit and basically is reading out our position or opposition to russia's invasion, which is essentially kind of a pre emptive invasion to roll back on the, you know,

went through all expansion and can you create and restore your brand to it's a peaceful buffer state neutral law for state status, a pre made onto. so i, i still hopeful, but the more i've heard about the kellogg plan, the more discouraged i am in terms of an immediate solution. well, as i, as low as i said in my and at the end of my introduction, the slaughter continues. gentlemen, i really appreciated very thoughtful program and that's all the time we have one. i think my guess in washington dc, salt lake city and in san francisco. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here. our see see next time and remember prospect the, the, [000:00:00;00]

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