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u back to israel. this after a run, finally retaliated for the gaza genocide. the test run this as a nation of palestine chief negotiator attacks on their radiant diplomats and the killing of thousands in bay ridge to a res iconic lebanese resistance need to pass on this route. i would circle genocide, jo, all the cause tyra's now presiding over millions, display skilled a wounded, mostly women and children right across this region and join now from rome by allister crook, u. k. diplomat info they you foreign policy chief advisor. he's a founder and director of the baby base complex for him and all of the resistance, the essence of the as the mist revolution. thank you so much alice, of joining us again. it's been a while. lots happened in the year as you're on the going on the route. i think in the beginning of this year, you can see from the headlines. is there any one of course story, and that's a do by based gulf. the news. you run a tax that israel vfc, the japanese paper thing is real steps up,

a tax on iran proxies as if they're all just their own proxies everywhere. i guess 1st your take on whether there is now there's no real us defendants. they said the largest fleet of the united states has in this area and they at least in the mediterranean, didn't seem to scare you wrong. no, i think that was deaf. would have been a mistake. i don't think there's been a lot of talk about it wrong being frightened or scared or does to it boss invests . in fact, it was a calculated decision maybe or in the wrong, by the leadership of this. it would not want to cause a regional white role. big war, in other words, in the region. but for all sorts of reasons, i mean not because they were particularly fright box it,

they've been preparing for it for about 20 years. but simply because a lot of this happening and the very much aware of being very close in touch with most of as you know, the train issue is already coming to a head of the moment. this and the most moment of crisis for the united states facing a major, major defeat of the us, the and the secondly, because the brick summit is coming up on the 25th of this month. and i think that both the most go and cut her arm, and of course, basing would like this to parcels. well, and at this substantial meeting with many new initiative sonata. yeah, i mean i, i do want to get back to this region, but india is foreign minister, j shrunk. it was width bible some. i mean, i'm not sure whether anyone is with the bible,

is it was in the white house and it goes to india. has a huge and international, lots of transport, cory door operation going, which iran is an important, essential part to the united states to understand what's happening in the brakes. and what will be discussed in cars on the tool or that just signaling. look at all american interests in the region should activate against the threats of a run just when india is doing a massive deal with a run, as is russia. and as is china i, i don't think that at the moment there is much understanding of the middle east, but i think most of them at least experts that were in state department and other places have been removed. they have been removed and we have a being run essentially by people. i do not have much expertise in the

board as they have expertise like pay most cost time. it is rarely from the is really perspective problem from a united states perspective. that's the us on boy. it was an idea for us us as basically as rails man in the abiding cabinet. yes, he has her, he has an office in the white house. a he moved from state to buckland, where he did the demarcation negotiations with lebanon above maritime areas of exploration. and then he went into the white house with one secretary and the team and the state department was dissolved as i understand it. so he's sort of all brakes as a one man band are 2 of the white house. yeah, well, i want to explore whether it is incompetence or it is actually by design. i'll give it a but just briefly when it comes to the incompetent side of things, a rookie mistake by president possess scan of iran to come out with the bizarre statement that somehow he'd had ej assurances that restraint would be rewarded.

restrain from the wrong would be rewarded in the light of these wild nia, a mud or in the wrong which we between and had the reward it was, was no swallows assassination. so, i mean basically basically i suppose you will put it in those terms. but as it has been, the was sort of there is politics involved and less than 10 are wrong. and i think that um, when, as ash can, who doesn't have that sort of experience was made for president. he was pretty well captured to can we say buys a basically buys as a reef, cut to me sort of a crew in, in iraq. and so he did. and to his embarrassment, he did believe assurance is that he was given

a by you your appear on an american. both are sees the, the would be substantive relief of sanctions for iran and the would be a guaranteed c scar and garza on times that would be acceptable to hum us. and as he said, it is into view of 2 words that they lied. none of it was true and so there's been a lot of anger in iran and a lot of soul searching soul searching because iran has been very careful and it's reactions it is shown great. so for strange, really dating back to the killing of custom. so the money, but also off to the attack on the syrian on the consulate in syria and damascus, where it raining and generally was killed. i at that point

they did mitigate very much, was drones and miss house 5. but it was coffee orchestration about alaska and who was the foreign minister of that time off to it's both. and he said that you know what we call to get this right. i mean, in the sense that we are trying to be restraining and also allows us conflict to escalate into a wider war. but we've called to maintain the sort of sense of deterrence and we've got to maintain a sense of strength. so there is a been a lot of criticism. this is a restraint, much of the case it if you like, by that or a full mist weight and the wrong has contributed to some extent of play but contributed perhaps to israel feeling and pod to

be able to take out the whole of that has put a leadership including said, house on the throttle and then to attack the level of across the board. i mean, uh from all sides of level of them. i mean, is riley suffering the soldier because a treat whereby they are dividing up their routes into sort of sectors. i'm telling people to evacuate one sector, a move to another sector. and then when they've caught the, as i told to move back, because that sector is about to be attack. so there are more than the 1000000 displaced from the homes and the something a large number, i think 1500 killed and about 8000 injured. these are not his bullet people the so basically ordinary level needs that being said to be connected with the school. and of course we have the same the same justification. oh yes. um. has

buller is hiding behind the people. he's using them as human shields in every house . there is they've produced this fantastic idea of a sort of missile at b and b, whereby lebanese was sort of keeping me solace in the homes and getting a small feed from his bullet for doing so. this is all nonsense complete nonsense because i was in lebanon in 2006, and before and often during the war. and even before the war, hezbollah took great effort to make sure of the one know up and saw o clint, indeed military assets that were anywhere near the level of these villages or cost . so they kept them quite away from it. so the idea of that, then now having this house in the attic and things is just a typical propaganda, but it has no no basis, but it's being used for the tax and the a tax

r. as in garza intended to put pressure on the civilian lebanese population, imagining that back end to turn on on his book, in fact, fall more than in 2006, a leg up a nice with just the usual exceptions. that's gonna monitor them. suppose that this and with the, for our minister and the president think, you know, we stand as while this is an attack on level the system to attack on, on as bo, we are being attacked right up through the back car and across a level and, and didn't pay a route, so it's very different. but yes, there is a very awful lot of criticism of pay iran and the wrong is having to look for a half a. you know, there is a real got it. i mean, you know, i don't want to make it sound so simplistic like you know, but it is, this is jessica contributed to it. i mean, those are real dilemma. you can use self restraint if you like,

in order to try and avoid going to a broder will. that is, in the interest of the run, the interest of a rush as the interest of, or of the region not to have a full of ultra now will. but at the same time, the other side cause that die. lemme is that actually by too much. so for a strength, you end up ways. um, if you like escalation and you end up with a wall anyway. and sometimes you find the bike cell for strain. i actually will comes to you even whether you wanted to know. so the question was, and this is why i think we had this officer and it was the honest, as it came from the supreme national security council. i just to remind you is that possession who has had a lot of publicity or has no say in these decisions. this is not his field. for him

policy security policy lies in calling with the supreme. the national security council, under the supreme lead up the supreme leader makes the loss decision. most the press stuff is basically concerned with domestic administration of the state, but not with foreign policy and off with security. how's the good cause? stop you about more from the former adviser on me least issues. the foreign policy chief ivy is a loaner up in the spring, the the insulating people into disgusted with what's going on with that. sending huge amounts of money into the

lensky in terms of weapons to kill russians when actually we're taking money away from people that have been one of the big things in the tell you that i know about domestically is that the cover labor government have taken one and a half 1000000000 pounds away from the the plug it back to going underground. i'm still here with us decrypt for the british diplomat and founder and going director of the baby based complex for him. the house, during part one, you were talking to me about the desk and not having a foreign policy control in there on, i mean now give me, i mean i lived in terra and he does have power to resign at any rate, but as regards and i should also add is regard still what we wrote to gauge to the side of the national security measures the true. so maybe he was power to it's, i don't know, but there's a lot of, i mean it's

a very lead faulty issue. but i just wonder on the line, i mean it, ron is not alone in the style. lemme which i well did rush to give them bad advice, reflected rush, give them bad advice. me sure. stood by me just to make sure you know the day before as well. you know, russia has had had the same dilemma and during the war and you great. and there been times where they've had setbacks reverse thoughts and they've had to stop them . thing can reassess and, and actually the been changes in the, in the senior military leadership in moscow. so, i mean, these things are not confined to iran, is the general opprobrium about this dilemma that, you know, if you act with restrain, it'll get written wrongly interpreted this weakness and actually bring the boy you don't want on to you. that is the danger. and so possess cams as being much criticized for those comments that he made and for in the sense almost go behind

the backup of the system to talk about them in with the americans and with the europeans. because he does not have a mandate to do that. he does not have that monday that lives with the security council a lot with him. and it was the supreme leader who had ordered, if you liked the attack in retribution for the killing of neil. and it came from the tall full from the head of the security council. so i'm, there is a lot of sort of concern. i'm sure it will pause, but i think that's one of the reasons we have what we had uh the um, the recent miss all attack in, in, in iran, as iran in israel, as the iran wanted to recuperate. the sort of sense of the parents in the sense that they are serious and that also to show that they have the capability of some missile because of course,

their restraint on the 13th of april when they followed miss house full, wasn't misinterpret completely as well. we'll just, you know, they will no doubt 99 percent were knocked out by a us above bad defense systems. and so now they've had to, does demonstrate that actually is wells at defense systems on not very effective. and that quite capable of landing ballistic missiles as to saw on target in israel, in a very short notice. yeah, blanket idea of censorship at the moment of the impacts and the results of it. just some ripple is the tile of maze. we have 15 is we didn't have it in the f 35 that had to him a base in israel have 35 that 15 and not a single is riley casualty. it'd be, is to be bought uh, as regards the sell for spring criticisms can be made that like that about certainly would've, i'm advantage over the libya to back left over,

put in allowing things to get to the stage. are they willing to hand stuff to them made on to and, and so forth. but is there a similar mistake being made by people who think that netanyahu is running the show here? i mean, we know by didn't said do minot can megan in 1982, he wouldn't care. level of living and civilians were killed. a was worse them and i can vague in the, in the atrocities and 1982 blinking off to october 7th. so he came to israel as a jew who was brought up of course, by a lawyer and compete on 2 of the most ads robot maxwell, who stole the money in britain from the pension fund of samuel piece us a piece are. and i think is his name's annoying confident. and maxwell, is this a plan? was this a, the genocide jo plans in the beginning? because then, so then jake sullivan of the national security council, the in the united states doesn't look so stupid load is blinking. then jo are playing mazda strokes here, bringing the u. s,

which always wanted to get involved because clearly the us were involved in terms of the reaction to iran's retaliation using the destroys in the, in the red sea. and they're prepared for it. they going forward. this was the plan all alone. it wasn't. i mean, i'm not, you only can say that about ukraine work to me. the dictators are lensky is losing, but this is the plan to exterminate god. i think it's hypo, i think, for as for, for a long time, i mean the plan about garza and the pon about the west bank. and of course, destroying this bullet has been loading about for a long time. it is deeply entrenched in the israeli policy, and of course, netanyahu came to congress and elated to ross very clearly. he said in vice here to america, to war games get wrong. so you,

if you like the head of the octopus. uh that is strangling in israel and he said this is a war of civilization against bumper some so everyone use it. this was sort of in, in, in the works. no, i think there are 2 elements to this that, you know, i don't blanket so directly because of the 1st really is that i think the, the, i don't think a particularly the most the parts of the system. but certainly not, you know, as a, the congress is all bullshit unless, of course, the other parts the new cause of certainly all the, depending on the, is getting increasingly worried about over extension that america's getting over extended road. if you like, china is ramping up the pressure some in the pacific. they've got it more of a carrier in the field. but the pentagon wants to put more resources

that, and it's still preoccupied with ukraine. and to have a wall pin with a ron allen in the middle east, with all its american bases with all its, um, uh, a few like exposure as far as her abilities. i think it was not so popular. and i think that's probably what made the pentagon. i actually vito's the idea from brenton and from others from a blinking to a permit the premiums the fall. so miss solves a deep into the deep into rush, although that could be okay. that could change the, the moment of goes by the time is abroad. i could have back to that can happen, particularly in an election period. well, you know, a good i feel like political till he point saw are essential and appearing tough

on boots in is considered to be the sort of from talking point to, to make so to me for, for by him and his team. but i'm just saying, i'm not sure, and i'm not sure at this moment if it's a good idea to have a wall where they are wrong in terms of the like to prospect of the policy and bar in the united states. i mean, that's a very complicated domestic calculation, which depends on the soul. do you like the little composition of these 5 suite of states and, you know, in some there are quite substantial numbers of muslims. they belong to them already . surely by now, with the pictures we've seen from gaza and 11 and the m and a nice area and there are things i, i think so, but i mean these 5 states, so very crucial. i mean the election, solano lost in this, and the trying to recuperate. but i mean, actually they're getting the,

digging that whole deeper and deeper with the statements that are being made. and it will be, uh, how some last fall a is an iconic figure. as being an i comment for go someone who as, you know, spend the low standing for national liberation and 2 colors ellis. i mean, to have been, you know, signs manifestations in cash, me a artist of india and across the middle east of venezuela in bertina, verified that his last, you know, i do want to get to actually go is a time in the time limited to us. i just want to say, why is it wrong react using these traditional warfare means. i mean is that a long times is carlos, the jackal was operating against the, the owners of israel as it were, the back as of israel, where's the asymmetric warfare going? i only ask because if it is true that it was be just by design and that in fact, trump, who's being fed,

that iran was behind his assassination attempt. and if the bible in any case as a sponsor to be genocide and cause if that was if they had the power is behind it rather than all this obsession in the progressive media, i'll give the against that and yahoo! he is the impetus now to attack the, the senses of power that the metropolitan powers which are the senses of power, operating in west asia rather than using tel aviv as well. i think the pressing festival, what you're saying is partially true, but the net, you know, who it has carried a lot of blame for what's happening. and every day one says, well, if he was lost power or something, everything would be right. i don't think that this is necessarily the correct perspective because actually he has the support of

a cabinet. he has enough support with in the capacity to survive until 26 and he's made it. oh is made it clear. i think he gave a a and then to be in the seventy's to hastings, the pricing a book and he said, and the next for all being, well we will of take go through the end of expelled all of our skin in some arabs. and i think between the river and the sea. so i mean, he's been part of this for a long, long time. and his father was a private secretary to deb attempts k. so he's a jump button ski revisionist, like most of the cabinet. and there is a majority of the it's really is it was obvious when this government came into the and we saw that the mrs. ra hate, the jews that come from north africa in the middle east. what taking key positions . these were the people that the big in the broad festival into

a one. and then tuesday, they cooled. and this is great. they feel, i mean, you know, that program said it will. it was obvious some time ago. what was the program to establish and the israel on? yeah, i mean is the program or a life? how is it indian state is the program of entity blinking? actually, blinking was brought up by the kinds of people we haven't got that much time left. they all know assignments, we agree that by assign it's, i don't think there's no difference on that. and i'm saying that actually, i mean what that is, the question is they've collectively lead it into this, or did they just facilitate fits as it, as a lot of the met him. yeah. who and they haven't been, i mean being a restraints put on, it's not a tool. so is it a question of passive commission given the task because they're actively all

they've signed another 9 busy and the other day 2 days before the h to the yeah, there's nothing passive about it straight down very quick very quickly. and finally, very quickly. finally, um i should, i actually went through this with you about brittany's role with rebecca theory based on the british prime minister thing. he's all up left for it. and then then denials that the you in a really britain no. a target for any resistance attack, should it become a symmetric and do a strategic and outside of west asia. julian hassan, who gave us so much information with the i suppose, i recall most importantly, babs at the moment, the memo from uh, jake sullivan's hillary clinton thing isis was on the us aside in syria as long as smoke for the 1st time about his torture. the counsel of your meeting this week. how far do you think his life is in danger away from all of these other here? big geostrategic topics. i mean, we did a lot of interviews with julian. massage before is the cavity of it and torture by

the british. of course i called tell. i mean i can give you little sorry to give you, but i don't think it is in danger. no, i think he's done his deal way out to say he knows that he was a journalist and did some things, but i think that's probably as much as long can tell the end of it. but i mean, who knows? i mean, those are the sort of the black areas of policy that you're not allowed to see. they all kept very much in the dark. i don't know, but i think i'm hopeful. anyways, he is. he's okay now how's the drug? thank you. and that's of, of the show of continued condolences to those surviving u. k. you as you on violence here in the middle east will be back from or on washington's wall with the brand new episode on monday joined by the c. i is pulling the account to to retrieve dr. michael sure. until end, keeping jace bible as social media results sent to the annual country and to our channel going onto on tv,

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