a hi mack sooner tennessee, and welcome back to going undergoing low cost to go around the world from the u. a . in the heart of the middle east on the day 38 years ago. the well did confirmation of these rails may be 200 nuclear weapons. good to see the usa of outside of africa. and one of the hollywood store film produces israel has to this day no, come clean. the new k, a whistle blower motor car avenue new would be honey draft and kid that from london by room for his revelations before decades on torture in his riley prison. the world today tends to the prospect of the use of those nuclear weapons by u. s. u k, u back to israel. this after a run, finally retaliated for the gaza genocide. the test run this as a nation of palestine chief negotiator attacks on the radian diplomats and the killing of thousands in bay ridge to a res iconic lebanese resistance need to pass on this route. i would circle genocide. jo, how it goes tara's not presiding over millions, display skilled

a wounded, mostly women and children right across this region and join now from rome by alice to cook. you k, diplomat and full, they you foreign policy chief advisor. he's a founder and director of the baby based complex for him and all of the resistance, the essence of the as the mist revolution. thank you so much alice, of joining us again. it's been a while. lots happened in the era as you're on the going on the route. i think in the beginning of this year, you can see from the headlines. is there any one of course story, and that's a do by based a gulf. the news you run attacks that israel vfc, the japanese paper thing, israel steps up a tax on iran proxies as if they're all just their own proxies everywhere. i guess 1st your take on whether there is now there's no real us defendants. they said the largest fleet, the united states has in this area and then at least in the mediterranean, didn't seem to scan your own. no, i think that was deaf. would have been

a mistake. i don't think there's been a lot of talk about it wrong being frightened or scared or does to. the pit boss invests. in fact, it was a calculated decision maybe or in the wrong, by the leadership. this, it would not want to cause a regional white will big war, in other words, in the region. but for all sorts of reasons. i mean not because they were particularly fright box it, they've been preparing for it for about 20 years. but simply because a lot of this happening and the, the very much aware of being very close in touch with most of and as you know, um the payment issue is already coming to a head to the moment. yes. and the most moment of crisis for the united states

facing a major, major defeat of the us, the and the secondly, because the brick summit is coming up on the 25th of this month. and i think that both the most go and tear on, and of course, basing would like this to parcels well, and to be a substantial meeting with many new initiatives and honest. yeah, i mean i, i do want to get back to this region, but india is foreign minister j sancho is width binds and i mean i'm not sure whether anyone is with the bible is it was in the white house and it goes to india has a huge and international, lots of transport, cory door operation going, which iran is an important, essential part to the united states to understand what's happening in the brakes. and what will be discussed in cars on the tool or they're just signaling, look

a all american interests in the region should activate against the threats of a run. just when india is doing a massive deal with a ron, as is russia. and as is china i, i don't think that the moment there is much understanding of the middle east, but i think most of them at least experts that were in the state department and other places have been removed. they have been removed and we have a being run essentially by people who do not have much expertise in it. or if they have expertise like pay most cost time, it is really from the is really perspective problem from a united states perspective. that's the us ongoing, it was an idea for us. this is basically as rails man in the abiding cabinet. yes, he has, or he has an office in the white house. a he moved from state to buckland,

where he did the demarcation negotiations with lebanon, about maritime areas. so the expiration and then he went into the white house with one secretary, and the team in the state department was dissolved as i understand it. so he sort of operates as a one man band out to the white house. yeah, well, i want to explore whether it is incompetence or it is actually by design. i'll give it a but just briefly of when it comes to the incompetent side of things, a rookie mistake by president possessed can be wrong to come out with the bizarre statement that somehow he'd had ej assurances that restraint would be rewarded. restraint from iran would be rewarded in the light of the smile on the mud or in the tear on which we between the reward it was, was not follows. as estimation. i mean, basically basically, i suppose you will put it in those terms. but as it has been,

the was sort of there is politics involved and less than 10 are wrong. and i think that um, when, as ash can, who doesn't have that sort of experience was made for president. he was pretty well captured to can we say buys a basically buys as i read some cut to me sort of a crew in, in iraq. and so he did. and to his embarrassment, he did believe assurance is that he was given a by you your appear on an american. both are see is that the would be substantially relief of sanctions for it wrong. and that would be a guaranteed c scar. and garza on times that would be acceptable to hum us. and as he said, it is into view of 2 woods. they live. none of it was true. um,

so this being a lot of anger in iran and a lot of soul searching soul searching because ron, who's being very careful and it's reactions it is shown grades. so for spring, really dating back to the killing of custom. so the money, but also off to the attack on the syrian on the consulate in syria and damascus, where it raining and generally was killed. but at that point, they did mitigate very much what drones and miss house 5, but it was costly orchestra and of the lot here and who was a for a minister that time off to it's both. and he said that, you know, what we call to get this right. i mean, in the sense that we are trying to be restraining and lost

a lot of this conflict to escalates into a wider war. but we've called to maintain that sort of sense of deterrence. and we've got to maintain a sense of strength. so there is of been a lot of criticism. this is a restraint, much advocate it if you like, by that or a full missed wing. and iran has contributed to some extent of play, but contributed perhaps to israel, of feeling and pod to be able to take out the whole of that. it has been a leadership including said, house on the throttle. and then to attack the level of across the board, i mean uh from all sides of the level. and then i mean, is really suffering the sort of because a treat whereby they are dividing up their routes into sort of sectors. i'm telling

people to evacuate one sector, a move to another sector, and then when they've caught the, as i told to move back, because that sector is about to be attack. so there are more than the 1000000 displaced from the homes and the something a large number, i think 1500 killed and about 80000 injured. but these are not as bullet people. the so basically ordinary lebanese that being said to be connected with, says paula. and of course we have the same the same justification. oh yes. um. has buller is hiding behind the people. he's using them as human shields in every house. there is, they produce this fantastic idea of a sort of missile at b and b, whereby lebanese was sort of keeping me solace in the homes and getting a small fee from his bullet for doing so. this is all nonsense complete nonsense because i was in lebanon in 2006, and before and often during the war,

and even before the war has put a too great effort to make sure the one know up and saw o quit, indeed military assets that were anywhere near the level of these villages or cost, so they kept them quite away from it. so the idea that they know having this house in the attic and things is just a typical propaganda. but it has no no basis that is being used for the tax. and the attacks are eyes and gaza, intended to put pressure on the civilian lebanese population. imagining that back end to turn on on his bullet. in fact, tom morgan in 2006, the eliza bernice with just the usual exceptions. let's go monitor them. suppose that this i'm with the, for our minister and the president. think, you know, we stand as while this is an attack on the 11th the system to attack on, on as bo,

we are being attacked right up through the back car and across a level and, and didn't pay a route. so it's very different. but yes, there is a very awful lot of criticism of iran and the wrong is having to look very and half the, you know, there is a real guy that i make, you know, i don't want to make it sound so simplistic like you know, but it is this is just contributed to it. i mean, those are real dilemma. you can use self restraint if you like, in order to try and avoid going to abroad a will. that is, in the interest they run the interest of russia as the interest of or the region not to have a full i'll, i'll turn out well. but at the same time, the other side cause that i remember it, is that actually by too much self restraint, you end up ways. um,

if you like escalation and you end up with a whole anyway. and sometimes you find the bike self restrain. i actually will comes to you even whether you wanted to know. so the question was, and this is why i think we had the sensor and it was the answer that came from the supreme national security council. i just remind viewers that possession who has had a lot of publicity or has no say in these decisions. this is not his field for him, the policy security policy lies in calling with the supreme national security council. and does a supremely that the supreme leader makes the laws decision most the press stuff. he's basically concerned with domestic administration of the state, but not with foreign policy and off with security. how's that work? i'll stop you about more from the former advisor on middle east issues,

the foreign policy chief ivy as a loaner. after this break the the us near doing the, the leads, told him the articles and you might, it's a city of the news release to me. i don't see them, but you, me for the stuff. you know, probably my you can see in the united. so that's literally ridiculous. this is yeah . kind of shows live with the board meeting stage of this

list of most of the details to, to make a cosigner. but i would just take one of those same and use the link to the stores at the store to, to $24.00. would need to even, and 0, it's a good key and our phone yet. so that's the the plug it back to going underground. i'm still here with us decrypt for the british diplomat and founder and going director of the baby based conflicts for him . the power steering pump, when you were talking to me about business getting not having a foreign policy control in iran. i mean, arguably, i mean i lived in tyrone he does have power to resign at any rate, but as regards and i should also add, as regards to what he wrote, chest to gauge to the side of the national security. that is true. is that true? so maybe he was power to it's, i don't know, but there's a lot of, i mean it's, i barely pro tissue, but i just want to underline, i mean it,

ron is not alone in the style. lemme which i did rush, i give them bad advice, reflected rush, cuz you have them bad advice. me sure. stood by me just to mention the day before as well. you know, russia has had had the same dilemma and during the war in new great, and there will be times where they've had setbacks reverse thoughts. and they've had to stop and think and reassess. and, and actually the been changes in the, in the senior military leadership in moscow. so, i mean, these things are not confined to iran is a general problem about this dilemma that, you know, if you act with restrain, it'll get great, wrongly interpreted this weakness. and actually bring the boy you don't want onto. that is the danger. and so possess cams as being much criticized for those comments that he made and for in the sense almost go behind the backups of the system to talk about them in the,

with the americans and with the europeans. because he does not have a mandate to do that. he does not have that monday that lives with the security council a lot with him. and it was the supreme leader who would order if you liked the attack in retribution for the killing of neil. and it came from the tall full from the head of the security council. so i'm, there is a lot of sort of concern. i'm sure it will pause, but i think that's one of the reasons we had what we had the, the, the recent miss all attacked in, in, in iran, as iran in israel, as the iran wanted to recuperate. the sort of sense of the parents in the sense that they are serious and that also to show that they have the capabilities to miss all because of course, their restraint on the 13th of april when they followed miss house full was in town

mess, interpret completely as well, we'll just, you know, they will not, uh, 9 to 9 percent but enough to buy a us above that defense systems. and so now they have to demonstrate that actually israel's ad defense systems on not very effective. i'm not quite capable of landing a ballistic missiles. i was to saw on target in israel, in a very short notice. yeah, blanket idea of censorship at the moment of the impacts and the results of it. just some ripple is the tile of maze. we have 15 is we didn't have it in the have 35 that had to him and based in israel, have 35 that fifteens and not a single is riley casualty. it'd be is to be, but uh, as regards the ssl for spring criticisms can be made that like that about certainly would've. i'm advantage over the libya debacle over put in allowing things to get

to the stage. are they willing to hand stuff to them made on to and, and so forth. but is there a similar mistake being made by people who think that netanyahu is running the show here? i mean, we know by didn't said to me not going megan in 1982. he wouldn't care. whole of 11 and civilians were killed. a was worse them and i can vague in the, in the atrocities and 1982 blinking off to october 7th. and he came to as well as a jew who was brought up of course by a lawyer incomplete on 2 of the most ads robot maxwell. is still a little money in britain from the pension fund, samuel piece us a piece are and i think is his name during confident. and maxwell. is this a plan? was this a, a genocide jo plans in the beginning? because then the, then jake sullivan of the national security council, the in the united states doesn't look so stupid load is blinking. that in your planning mazda strokes here, bringing the u. s, which always wanted to get involved. because clearly the us were involved in terms

of the reaction to iran's retaliation using the destroys in the, in the red sea. and they're prepared for it. they going forward. this was the plan all alone. it wasn't. i mean, i'm not, you only can say that about ukraine work that heavy. the dictators are lensky is losing, but this is the plan to exterminate god. i think it's higher. so i think for as for, for a long time, i mean the plan about garza and upon the, about the west bank. and of course, destroying this bullet has been loading about for a long time. it is deeply entrenched in the israeli policy, and of course, netanyahu came to congress and elated to we're off very clearly. he said in vice here to america, to a war against the wrong. so you, if you like the head of the octopus. uh that is strangling in

israel and he said this is a war of civilization against bumper some so everyone knew that this was sort of in, in, in the works. now i think there are 2 elements to this that, you know, i don't think it's so directly because of the 1st really, is that i think the, the, i don't think good particularly the most the other parts of the system. but certainly not, you know, as a, the congress is all boys in unless, of course, the other parts the new cause of certainly all the pentagon is getting increasingly worried about over extension of the americas getting overextend. bro, if you like, china is ramping up the pressure some in the pacific. they've got a little another carrier in the field. but the pentagon wants to put more resources that. and it's still preoccupied with ukraine and to have

a wall pin with a ron. and in the middle east, with all its american bases with all ex, um, uh, a few like exposure as far as her abilities, i think was not so popular. and i think that's probably what made the pentagon. i actually vito's the idea from bread and from others, from a blinking to a permit the craniums default. so ms solves a deep into deep into rush over that could be okay, that could raise any moment of goes by the time this is the road i could have back to that can happen, particularly in an election period. well, you know, a good i feel like political till he points are essential and appearing tough on food and is considered to be the sort of from talking point to,

to make so for me, for, for by him and his team. but i'm just saying, i'm not sure, and i'm not sure at this moment if it's a good idea to have a wall where they are wrong in terms of the like to prospect of the policy and bar in the united states. i mean, that's a very complicated domestic calculation, which depends on the sort of the, like the oil composition of these 5 swain states and, you know, and some, there are quite substantial numbers of muslims. they belong to them already. surely by now with the pictures we've seen from guys and 11 and the m and i there. yeah. and there are things i, i think so, but i mean these 5 states, so very crucial. i mean the elections a one or overall systems and the trying to recuperate. but i mean, actually they're getting the, digging that whole deeper and deeper with the statements that are being made and

going to be a, how something us rela, isn't like comics. it has been and i couldn't figure out to someone who i was, you know, spend the low standing for a national liberation and to collect eliza. i mean, to have been, you know, signs manifestations in kashmir, august of india, and across the middle east. and as well and looking to verify that his last, you know, i do want to get to actually go is a time in the time limited to us. i just wanna say more. why is it wrong? react using these traditional warfare means, i mean, so long times as carlos the jackal was operating against the, the owners of israel as it were, the back as of israel. where's the asymmetric warfare going? i only ask because if it is true that it was be just by design and that in fact, trump, who's being fed, that iran was behind his assassination attempt. and if the bible in any cases

sponsor to the genocide and cause if that was if they had the powers behind it, rather than all this obsession in the progressive media are arguably against that and yahoo! he visited the impetus now to attack the, the senses of power that the metropolitan powers which are the senses of power, operating in west asia rather than using tel aviv as well. i think the pressing festival, what you're saying is partially true, but the net, you know, who it has carried a lot of blame for what's happening and everything runs as well as he was lost power or something. everything would be right. i don't think that this is necessarily the correct perspective because actually he has the support of a cabinet. he has a lot of support within the capacity to survive until 26

and he's made it. oh is made it clear. i think he gave a a and then to be in the seventy's to hastings, the pricing a book and he said, and the next full bullying. well, we will of take go to the end of expelled, although i was getting in some arabs and as a between the river and the sea. so i mean, he's been part of this for a long, long time. his father was a private secretary to deb attempts k, so he's a job, but since the revision is like most of the cabinet and there is a majority of the, it's really is it was obvious when this government came into par and we saw that the mrs. ra hey, the jews had come from north africa in the middle east. what taking key positions? these were the people that the big in the broad festival into a one and then then tuesday, they cooled. and this is great. they feel,

i mean, you know, that program said it will. it was obvious some time ago. what was the program to establish and the israel on? yeah, i mean, is the program or a life? how is it, indian state is the program of entity blinking every blinking. so it's broken up by the guides of people. we haven't got that much time left. they all know assignments . we agree that by assign that's i don't think there's no difference on that. and i'm say that actually, i mean what that is, the question is big data collectively lead it into this, or did they just facilitate fits as it has a lot of the met him. yeah. who and then having to, i mean to be no restraints put on, it's not a tool. so is it a question of passive commission given the task because they're actively all they've signed another 9 busy and the other day 2 days before the h to yeah,

there's nothing passive about it and straight down very quick very quickly and find me very quickly. finally, um i should, i actually went through this with you about brittany's role with rebecca, teary, based on the british prime minister thing. he's all up left for it. and then, then denials that the you in a really britain know a target for any resistance attack, should it become a symmetric and do strategic and outside of west asia. julian hassan, who gave us so much information with the i suppose, i recall most importantly, babs at the moment, the memo from uh, jake sullivan's hillary clinton thing isis was on the us aside in syria as long as smoke for the 1st time about his torture and the counsel of your meeting this week . how far do you think his life is in danger away from all of these other big geostrategic topics? i mean, we did a lot of interviews with julian massage before is the cavity of it and torture by

the british, of course. but i can tell, i mean, i can give you a little slower to give you, but i don't think it is in danger. no, i think he's done it. his deal way have to say he knows that he was a journalist and that did some things, but i think that's probably as much as one can tell the end of it. but i mean, who knows? i mean, most of the sort of the black areas of policy that you're not allowed to see, they all kept very much in the dark. i don't know, but i think i'm hopeful. anyways, he is. he's okay now as a drug. thank you. and that's over the show, i'll continue to condolences to those surviving u. k. you as you on violence here in the middle east will be back from or on washington as well, with the brand new episode on monday joined by the sea ice form account of territory. if dr. michael sure until end keeping. josh, why will i social media if it's on sent to the annual country and i to a channel going on?

we want to keep you on the com to watch and you and all that besides have going underground. see you monday, the so i think people disgusted with what's going on with that, sending huge amounts of money. it seems that lensky in terms of weapons, to kill russians when actually we're taking money away from people that have been one of the big things in the tell you that i know about domestically is that the cover labor government have taken one and a half 1000000000 pounds away from the of the

family and friends extend the home. the friendship is to the use 12 different amounts to visit the new governments in damascus. but its ties laid in with conditions um control that seat with a cultural 5 top the gentleman for a minister or said backs away from the phone to renew is limit groups in syria just like meeting with his leadership. which school in house designated as terrorist ought to, you refuse the background and disturbing actions off hired to we're on the west now seems to us that the death toll of health care work has been gone since the policy is $1000.00 since the will began. as according to a un, but schools with the palestinian um boss of the city you when breaking down into the weeds.