the, the sooner time see, and welcome back to going underground will cause to go around the world from the u . a. in the heart of the middle east. on the day 38 years ago, the world did confirmation of these rails probably be 200 nuclear weapons. good to see the usa of outside south africa. and one of hollywood stop film produces israel has to this day no come clean. the nuclear whistle blower motor car avenue would be honey draft and kid that from london by room for his revelations before decades, long torture in his riley prison. the world today tends to the prospect of the use of those nuclear weapons by u. s. u k. u back to israel. this after a run,

finally retaliated for the gaza genocide. the test run this as a nation of palestine chief negotiator attacks on their radian diplomats and the killing of thousands in babies to a res iconic lebanese resistance lead to as i less right. i would circle genocide. jo, how it goes to harris, now presiding over millions, display skilled a wounded, mostly women and children right across this region and join now from rome by alice to cook. you k, diplomat in full that you foreign policy chief advisor. he's a founder and director of the baby base complex for him and all of the resistance, the essence of the as the mist revolution. thank you so much alice, of joining us again. it's been a while and that's happened in the year as you're on the going on the route. i think in the beginning of this year, you can see from the headlines. is there any one of course story, and that's a do by based a gulf. the news you run attacks that israel vfc, the japanese paper thing, is real steps up, a tax on iran proxies as if they're all just their own proxies everywhere. i guess

1st your take on whether there is now there's no real us defendants. they said the largest fleet, the united states has in this area and then at least in the mediterranean, didn't seem to scan your own. no, i think that was deaf. would have been a mistake. i don't think there's been a lot of talk about it wrong being frightened or scared or does to. the pit boss invests. in fact, it was a calculated decision maybe or in the wrong, by the leadership of this. it would not want to cause a regional white wall, big war and other words in the region. but for all sorts of reasons. i mean not because they were particularly fright box it. they've been preparing for it for about 20 years. but simply because

a lot of this happening and the very much aware of being very close in touch with most of and as you know, the pregnant issue is already coming to a head at the moment. this in the most moments of crisis for the united states facing a major, major defeat of the us, the and the secondly, because the brick summit is coming up on the 25th of this month. and i think that both the most go and, and of course, basing would likes us to parcels. well, and at the substantial meeting with many new initiative, some of us. yeah, i mean i, i do want to get back to this region, but india is foreign minister j sancho was width binds and i'm not sure whether anyone is with the bible is it was in the white house and it goes to india has

a huge and international know it's a transport car, your operation going which iran is an important essential part to the united states to understand what's happening in the brakes and what will be discussed in cars on the tool or they're just signaling look a all american interests in the region should activate against the threats of a run just when india is doing a massive deal with a run, as is russia. and as is china, i, i don't think that at the moment there is much understanding of the middle east. i think most of the middle east textbooks that were in the state department and other places have been removed. they have been removed. and we have a being run essentially by people who do not have much expertise in it. or if they have expertise, like a most cost time, it is really from the is really perspective problem from

a united states perspective. that's the us ongoing. it was an idea for us us as basically as rails man in the abiding cabinet. yes, he has her, he has an office in the white house, a he moved from state to buckland, where he did the demarcation negotiations with lebanon, about maritime areas. so the expiration and then he went into the white house with one secretary and the team and the state department was dissolved as i understand it. so he sort of operates as a one man band out to the white house. yeah, well, i want to explore whether it is incompetent or it is actually by design or given a but just briefly of when it comes to the incompetent side of things. a rookie mistake by president possess scan of iran to come out with the bizarre statement that somehow he'd had ej assurances that restraint would be rewarded. restraint from iran would be rewarded in the light of the smile on the mud or in the tear on

which we, which we had the reward of course was necessary, allows us estimation. i mean basically basically i suppose you will put it in those terms. but as it has been, the was sort of there is politics involved in less than 10 wrong. and i think that when, as ash can, who doesn't have that sort of experience was made for president. he was pretty well captured to can we say buys a basically buys as i read some cut to me sort of a crew and in iraq. and so he did. and to his embarrassment, he did believe assurance is that he was given a by you your appear on an american. both are says that the would be substantially

relief of sanctions for iran. and that would be a guaranteed ceased car, and garza on times that would be acceptable to hum us. and as he said, it isn't the view of 2 woods. they lied. none of it was true. um, so this being a lot of anger in iran and a lot of soul searching soul searching because iran has being very castle and it's reactions, it is shown grades. so for strange, really dating back to the killing of custom. so the money, but also off to the attack on the syrian on the consulate in syria and damascus, where it really in general was killed at that point. they did mitigate very much to what?

drones and miss house 5, but it was costly orchestration and of the lot here and who was a foreign minister that time off to its spoken, he said that you know what we call to get this right. i mean, in the sense that we are trying to be restraining and lost a lot of this conflict to escalates into a wider war. but we've called to maintain that sort of sense of deterrence. and we've got to maintain a sense of strength. so there is of been a lot of criticism. this is the restraint, much of the case it if you like, by that or a full mist wing in the wrong has contributed to some extent plane but contributed perhaps to israel feeling and part to be able to take out. the whole of that has been a leadership including said,

house on the throttle and then to attack the level of across the board. i mean, uh, from all sides of the, i mean is riley suffering the soldier because a treat whereby they are dividing up their routes into sort of sectors. i'm telling people to evacuate one sector, a move to another sector. and then when they've called the, as i told to move back, because that sector is about to be a tech. so there are more than the 1000000 displaced from the homes and the something a large number. i think 1500 killed them about 8000 injured. these are not as bullet people the so basically ordinary level needs. that being said to be connected with says paula. and of course we have the same, the same justifications. oh, yes. um. has buller is hiding behind the people? he's using them as human shields in every house. there is, they produce this fantastic idea of a sort of missile at b and b,

whereby lebanese was sort of keeping me solace in the homes and getting a small fee from his bullet for doing so. this is all nonsense complete nonsense because i was in lebanon in 2006, and before and often during the war, and even before the war has put a to great effort to make sure the one know up and saw o quit in the military assets that were anywhere near the level these villages or cost, so they kept them quite away from it. so the idea that they know having this house in the attic and things is just a typical propaganda. but it has no no basis. but it's being used for the tax and the a tax r, as in garza intended to put pressure on the civilian life in these population. imagining that back end to turn on on his book in fact,

fall more than in 2006. the eliza bernice with just the usual exceptions of come out to them. suppose that this and with the, for our minister and the president think, you know, we stand as while this is an attack on the 11th the system to attack on, on as bo, we are being attacked right up through the back car and across a level and and, and very rude. so it's very different. but yes, there is a very awful lot of criticism of iran and the wrong is having to look very hastily, you know, there is a real guy that, i mean, you know, i don't want to make it sound. so simplistic like you know, but it is, this is just contributed to it. i mean, those are real dilemma. you can use self restraint if you like, in order to try and avoid going to abroad

a war that is in the interest. they run the interest of russia as the interest of order of the region not to have a full of ultra now war. but at the same time, the other side cause that dilemma is that actually by too much. so for a strength, you end up ways. um, if you like escalation and you end up with a whole anyway. and sometimes you find the bike self, restrain. actually the oil comes to you even whether you wanted to know. so the question was, and this is why i think we had this officer and it was the answer that came from the supreme national security council. i just remind viewers that possession who has had a lot of publicity, who has no say in these decisions. this is not his field for him. the policy security policy lies in calling with the supreme national security council under

the supreme lead up the supreme leave that makes the laws decision most the press stuff. he's basically concerned with domestic administration of the state. but now with foreign policy and off with security, how's that work? i'll stop you back more from the former advisor on middle east issues. the foreign policy chief ivy as a loaner after this break the there's no end in sight over how you're going to continue to destroy the or is the case of the med, most of the people. i tried to go to the gym, but i'm certainly not ready to fight russia. this is also of soon. this is the 3rd world lunacy re washing as for so the funder line likes to say, we have the tools while we just start with stability and visit this deal. so just let me, let me on that you have very quick propaganda. you know

a price here in new york. i think we don't know the aftermath any time that you're not allowed to ask questions, you should ask all of the questions. some more questions ask a better. the answer is will be the plug it back to going underground. i'm still here with us. decrypt for the british diplomat and founder and going director of the baby based complex for him. how starting part one you were talking to me about possess cannot having a foreign policy control in iran? i mean, now give me, i mean i lived in terra and he does have power to resign at any rate, but as regards and i should also add, as regards to what he wrote chest. so it goes to the side of the national security terms, the true. so maybe he was power to it's, i don't know, but there's a lot of, i mean it's, i barely pro tissue, but i just wonder on the line. i mean it, ron is not alone. in the style, lemme which i well did rush, i give them bad advice, reflected rush, i give them bad advice,

mature stood by me just to mention the day before as well. you know, russia has had had the same dilemma and during the war in new, great, and there been times where they've had setbacks reverse thoughts. and they've had to stop and think, reassess and, and actually the been changes in the, in the senior military leadership in moscow. so, i mean, these things are not confined to iran, is the general opprobrium about this dilemma that, you know, if you act with restrain, it'll get great and wrongly interpreted this weakness and actually bring the boy you don't want on to you. that is the danger. and so possess kansas, be much criticized for those comments that he made and for in the sense almost go behind the backups of the system to talk about them in the, with the americans and with the europeans. because he does not have a mandate to do that. he does not have that monday that lives with the security

council a lot with him. and it was the supreme leader who would order if you liked the attack in retribution for the killing of neil. and it came from the tall full from the head of the security council. so i'm, there is a lot of sort of concern. i'm sure it will pause, but i think that's one of the reasons we have what we had, the, the, the recent miss all attacked in, in, in iran, as iran in israel, as the iran wanted to recuperate. the sort of sense that the parents in the sense that they are serious and that also to show that they have that capability of some missile because of cost their restraint on the 13th of april when they followed miss house full, was in type. misinterpret completely as well we'll just, you know,

they will no doubt 99 percent were not taught by a us above the defense systems. and so now they've had to demonstrate that actually israel's ad defense systems on not very effective. i'm not quite capable of blinding ballistic missiles i saw on target in israel in a very short notice. yeah. blankets, idea of censorship at the moment of the impacts and the results of it. just some ripple is the tile of maze. we have 15 is we didn't have it in the f 35 and it had to him and based in israel, that 35, that 15 and not a single is riley casualty. it'd be, is to be bought uh, as regards the sell for spring criticisms can be made that like that about certainly would've, i'm advantage over the libya to backlash over, put in allowing things to get to the stage. are they willing to hand stuff to them made onto and, and so forth. but is there

a similar mistake being made by people who think that netanyahu is running the show here? i mean, we know biden said to minot, can megan in 1982. he wouldn't care level of 11 and civilians were killed, a was wisdom and i can beg in the, in the atrocities in 1982 blinking off to october 7th. and he came to as well as a jew who was brought up, of course, by a lawyer and comfy don't of the most ads robot maxwell is still a little money in britain from the pension fund of samuel piece us a piece are. and i think is his name doing confident. and maxwell, is this a plan? was this a, the genocide jo plans in the beginning? because then the, then jake sullivan of the national security council. the in the united states doesn't look so stupid. mode is blinking, then your playing mazda strokes here, bringing the u. s, which always wanted to get involved because clearly the us were involved in terms of the reaction to iran's retaliation using the destroys in the,

in the red sea. and they're prepared for it. they going forward, this was the plan all alone. it wasn't. i mean, i'm not, you only can say that about ukraine work that heavy. the dictators are lensky is losing, but this is the plan to exterminate god. well, i think it's higher. so i think for as for, for a long time, i mean the plan about garza and the pon about the west bank. and of course, destroying this bullet has been loading about for a long time. it is deeply entrenched in the israeli policy, and of course, netanyahu came to congress and related to ross very clearly. he said in vice here to america, to a war games get wrong. so you, if you like the head of the octopus. uh that is strangling in israel and he said this is a war of civilization against bumper some so everyone knew that this was sort of in,

in, in the works. now i think there are 2 elements to this that you know, don't blanket so directly because of the 1st really, is that i think the, the, i don't think good particularly, but most the other parts of the system. but certainly not, you know, as a, the congress is all bullets. and unless, of course, the other parts the new cause of certainly all the pentagon is getting increasingly worried about over extension in the americas getting overextending. bro, if you like, china is ramping up the pressure some in the pacific. they've got it more of a carrier in the field. but the pentagon wants to put more resources that. and it's still preoccupied with ukraine. and to have a wall pin with a ron. and in the middle east, with all its american bases with all its,

um, uh, a few like exposure as far as her abilities. i think it was not so popular. and i think that's probably what made the pentagon. i actually vito's the idea from bread and from others from being sent to a permit, the premiums the fall. so miss solves deep into the deep into rush, although that could be changed. that could change the, the moment of goes by the time does the road i could have back to that can happen, particularly in an election period. well, you know, a good i feel like political till he point saw, are essential and appearing tough on pigeon is considered to be the sort of from talking point to, to make so to me for, for by him and his team. but i'm just saying, i'm not sure,

and i'm not sure at this moment if it's a good idea to have a wall where they are wrong and kinda because of the electoral prospect of the policy and bar in the united states. i mean, that's a very complicated domestic calculation, which depends on the so the electoral composition of these 5 swain states and, you know, in some there are quite substantial numbers of muslims. they belong to them already . surely by now with the pictures we've seen from gaza and lebanon, and the m and a nice area and there, i think. so i, i think so, but i mean these 5 states, so very crucial. i mean the election. so one or austin, this and the trying to recuperate, but i mean, actually they're getting the beginning that whole deeper and deeper with the statements that are being made and, you know, be, uh how some last fall a is an iconic figure. there's been an iconic figure to someone who has, you know,

spend the low standing for national liberation and 2 colors ellis. i mean to been no signs, manifestations in kashmir, august of india, and across the middle east of venezuela in but came to verify that is last, you know, i do want to get to actually go is a time in the time limited to us. i just want to say, why is it iran react using these traditional warfare means? i mean it's a long time since carlos, the jackal was operating against the, the owners of israel as it were, the back as of israel. where's the asymmetric warfare going? i only ask because if it is true that it was be just by design and that in fact, trump, who's being fed, that iran was behind his assassination attempt. and if the bible in any case as a sponsor to the genocide and cause, if that was if they had the powers behind it,

rather than all this obsession in the progressive media are arguably against nothing yahoo a visit. the impetus now to attack the, the senses of power that the metropolitan powers, which are the senses of power, operating in west asia rather than using tel aviv. it was, i think, the pressing festival. what you're saying is partially true, but the net, you know, who it has carried a lot of blame for what's happening. and every day one says, well, if he was lost power or something, everything would be right. i don't think that this is necessarily the correct perspective because actually he has the support of a cabinet. he has enough support with in the capacity to survive until 26. and he's made it always made it clear. i think he gave a a and then to be in the seventy's to hastings, the pricing

a book and he said, and the next full bullying. well, we will of take go through the end of expelled all of our skin in some arabs. and i think between the river and the sea. so i mean, he's been part of this for a long, long time. and his father was a private secretary to deb attempts k. so he's a jump button ski revision is like most of the cabinet and the roost. majority of the it's really is, it was obvious when this government came into power. and we saw that the mr. i hate the jews that come from north africa in the middle east. what taking key positions . these were the people that the big in the broad festival into a long and then tuesday, they cooled. and this is great. they feel, i mean, you know, that program said it will. it was obvious some time ago. what was the program to

establish and the israel on. yeah, i mean, is the program or a life? how is it in and state is the program of entity blinking actually blinking. so it's broken up by the kinds of people we haven't got that much time left. they all know assignments. we agree that both sides is i don't think there's no difference on that. and i'm saying that actually, i mean what that is, the question is big data collectively lead it into this, or did they just facilitate fits as it, as a lot of the met him. yeah. who and they haven't had, i mean to be no restraints put on, it's not a tool. so is it a question of passive permission given the past because they're actively all they've signed another 9 busy and the other day 2 days before the h to the yeah, there's nothing passive about it straight down very quick very quickly. and finally,

very quickly. finally, um i should, i actually went through this with you about brittany's role with rebecca theory based on the british prime minister thing. he's all up left for it. and then, then denials that the you in the daily britain know a target for any resistance attack, should it become a symmetric and do a strategic and outside of west asia. julian hassan, who gave us so much information with the i suppose, i recall most importantly perhaps at the moment the memo from uh, jake sullivan's hillary clinton thing isis was on the us aside in syria as long as smoke for the 1st time about his torture and the counsel of your meeting this week . how far do you think his life is in danger away from all of these other here? big geostrategic topics. i mean, we did a lot of interviews with julian. massage before is the cavity of it and torture by the british. of course i called tell, i mean i can give you a notice or 2 to view,

but i don't think it is in danger. no, i think he's done it. his deal way have to say he even knows that he was a journalist and that did some things, but i think that's probably as much as one can tell the end of it. but i mean, who knows? i mean, those are the sort of the black areas of policy that you are not allowed to see. they all kept very much in the dark. i don't know, but i think i'm old. but anyway, it's that he is. he's okay now how's the drug? thank you and that's of of the show. i'll continue to condolences to those surviving u. k. you as you on violence here in the middle east will be back from or on washington as well, with the brand new episode on monday joined by the c. i. as for mackenzie territory, for dr. michael sure, until end keeping josh viral. social media results sent to the new york country and i to a journal going under warranty, vulnerable, they'll come to us and you and all that besides of going underground semen, the,

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