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i'm actually in return. see and welcome back to going underground will cost to go around the world from the u. a. in the heart of the middle east on the day 38 years ago, the well did confirmation of these rails may be 200 nuclear weapons. good to see the usa about sites out of africa. and one of hollywood stop film produces israel has to this day no come clean. the nuclear whistle blower motor car avenue would be honey draft and kid that from london by room for his revelations before decades on torture in his riley prison. the world today turns to the prospect of the use of those nuclear weapons by u. s. u k. u back to israel, this after a run, finally retaliated for the gaza genocide. the test run this as a nation of palestine chief negotiator attacks on their radian diplomats and the killing of thousands in bay ridge to a res iconic lebanese resistance need to pass on this route. i would circle genocide. jo, how it goes tyra's, now, presiding over millions, display skilled a wounded, mostly women and children right across this region. i'm drawing now from rome by

alice to cook. you k, diplomat in full that you foreign policy chief advisor. he's the founder and director of the baby base complex for him and all of the resistance, the essence of the as the mist revolution. thank you so much alice, of joining us again. it's been a while and that's happened in the year as you're on the going on the route. i think of the beginning of this year. you can see from the headlines. is there any one of go story? and that's a do by based a gulf. the news you run attacks a israel vfc the japanese paper thing. israel steps up a tax on the wrong proxies as if they're all just their own proxies everywhere. i guess 1st your take on whether there is now there's no real us defendants. they've said the largest fleet the united states has in this area and then at least in the mediterranean, didn't seem to scare you wrong. no, i think that was deaf. would have been a mistake. i don't think there's been

a lot of talk about it wrong being frightened or scared or dis todd. it boss invests. in fact, it was a calculated decision, maybe or in the wrong, by the leadership. this, it would not want to cause a regional white role. big war, in other words, in the region, but for all sorts of reasons, i mean not because they were particularly fright, the budget. they've been preparing for it for about 20 years. but simply because a lot of this happening and the, the very much aware of being very closely in touch with most of and as you know, um the payment issue is ready coming to ahead of the moment. yes. and the most moment of crisis for the united states facing a major, major defeat of the us, the and the secondly,

because the brick summit is coming up on the 25th of this month. and i think that both must go and tear on. and of course, basing would like this to parcel well and to be a substantial meeting with many new initiatives and honest. yeah, i mean i, i do want to get back to this region, but india is foreign minister j sancho is width bible some i'm not sure whether anyone is with the bible is it was in the white house and it goes to india has a huge and international know it's a transport car, your operation going which iran is an important essential part to the united states to understand what's happening in the brakes and what will be discussed in cars on the tool or that just signaling look a all american interests in the region should activate against the threats of a run just when india is doing a massive deal with a ron, as is russia,

and as is china, i, i don't think that the moment there is much understanding of the middle east. i think most of the middle east textbooks that were in the state department and other places have been removed. they have been removed. and we have a being run essentially by people who do not have much expertise in it. or if they have the expertise like pay most cost time, it is really from the is really perspective process from, from the united states perspective. that's the us ongoing. it was an idea for us us as basically as rails man in the abiding cabinet. yes, he has her, he has an office in the white house, a he moved from state to buckland, where he did the demarcation negotiations with lebanon above maritime areas of

exploration. and then he went into the white house with one secretary, and the team in the state department was dissolved as i understand it. so he's sort of all brakes as a one man band are 2 of the white house. yeah, well, i want to explore whether it is incompetence or it is actually by design. i'll give it a but just briefly when it comes to the incompetent side of things, a rookie mistake by president possess scan of iran to come out with the bizarre statement that somehow he'd had eje assurances that restraint would be rewarded. restraint from iran would be rewarded in the light of the smile on the mud or in the tear on which way which we had the reward of course was enough for all as his estimation. i mean, basically basically i suppose you could put it in those terms, but as it has been, the was sort of there is politics involved and less than 10 are wrong. and i think

that when, as ash county who doesn't have that sort of experience was made for president, he was pretty well captured to can we say by the basically by as i read some cut to me sort of a crew and in iraq. and so he did and to his embarrassment, he did believe assurance is that he was given a by you your appear on an american. both are says that the would be substantially relief of sanctions for iran. and that would be a guaranteed c scar and garza on times that would be acceptable to hum us. and as he said, it is into view of 2 words. they lied, none of it was true. um, so this being a lot of anger in iran and

a lot of soul searching soul searching because iran has been very careful and it's reactions. it is shown grades. so for spring, really dating back to the killing of cut some sort of money. but also off to the attack on the syrian on the consulate in syria and damascus, where it radium generally was killed. at that point, they did mitigate very much what drones and miss house 5, but it was costly, orchestra, true. and of the lot here and who was a for a minister that time off to it's both. and he said that you know what we call to get this right. i mean, in the sense that we are trying to be restraining and lost a lot of this conflict to escalates into

a wider war. but we've called to maintain that sort of sense of deterrence. and we've got to maintain a sense of strength. so there is of been a lot of criticism. this is a restraint, much advocate it if you like, by that or a full missed wing. been wrong, has contributed to some extent of play, but contributed perhaps to israel of feeling and todd to be able to take out the whole of that has put a leadership, including statehouse on the throttle. and then to attack the level of across the board. i mean, uh, from all sides of the level of them, i mean is really suffering the sort of because a tree whereby they are dividing up their routes into sort of sectors and telling people to evacuate one sector, a move to another sector. and then when they caught the, as i told to move back,

because that sector is about to be a tech. so there are more than the 1000000 displaced from the homes and the something a large number, i think 1500 killed and about 80000 injured. but these are not his bullet people the so basically ordinary level needs that being said to be connected with as well. and of course we have the same the same justifications. oh, yes. um. has buller is hiding behind the people? he's using them as human shields in every house. there is they produce this fantastic idea of a sort of missile at b and b, whereby lebanese was sort of keeping me solace in the homes and getting a small feed from his bullet for doing so. this is all nonsense complete nonsense because i was in lebanon in 2006, and before and often during the war, and even before the war has put

a to great effort to make sure the one know up and saw o quit, indeed military assets that were anywhere near the level of these villages or cost, so they kept them quite away from it. so the idea that they know having this house in the attic and things is just a typical propaganda. but it has no a no basis. but it's being used for the tax and the tax r, as in garza intended to put pressure on the civilian love and these population. imagining that back end to turn on on his book in fact, fall more than in 2006. the eliza bernice with just the usual exceptions. let's go monitor them. suppose that this um with the, for our minister and the president think, you know, we stand as while this is an attack on the 11th the system to attack on, on as bo, we are being attacked right up through the back car and across

a level and and didn't pay a route, so it's very different. but yes, there is a very awful lot of criticism of iran and the wrong is having to look very hastily, you know, there is a real guy that i make, you know, i don't want to make it sound so simplistic like you know, but it is this is just contributed to it. i mean, those are ro, dilemma. you can use self restraint if you like, in order to try and avoid going to abroad a war that is in the interest of the run, the interest of russia as the interest of, or the region not to have a full. i'll, i'll turn out will. but at the same time, the other side cause that dilemma is that actually by too much. so for a strength, you end up ways. um, if you like escalation and you end up with

a wall anyway. and sometimes you find the bike cell for a screen. i actually will comes to you even whether you wanted to know. so the question was, and this is why i think we had this officer and it was the honest, as it came from the supreme national security council. i just remind viewers that possession who has had to all the publicity has no say in these decisions. this is not his field for him policy security policy lies in calling with the supreme national security council under the supremely that the supreme leader makes the laws decision most the press spent. he is basically concerned with domestic administration of the state, but know with foreign policy and off with security. how's that work? i'll stop you about more from the former advisor on middle east issues. the foreign policy chief obvious loaner. after this break, the

plug it back to going underground. i'm still here with us decrypt for the british diplomat and founder and going director of the baby based conflicts for him. how starting part one, you were talking to me about this yesterday and not having a foreign policy control in iran? i mean arguably, i mean i lived in tyrone. he does have power to resign at any rate, but as regards and i should also add as regards to what he wrote chest, so it goes to the side of the national security of his teachers as a true. so maybe he will have a choice. i don't know, but there's a lot of, i mean it's a very lead scroll to issue, but i just wonder on the line. i mean it, ron is not alone in the style. lemme which i did rush, i give them bad advice, reflected rush, i give them bad advice. me sure. stood by me just to make sure you know the day

before as well. you know, russia has had had the same dilemma and during the war and the great, and there will be times where they've had setbacks reverse thoughts. and they've had to stop and think and reassess. and, and actually the been changes in the, in the senior military leadership in moscow. so, i mean, these things are not confined to iran, is the general opprobrium about this dilemma that, you know, or if you act with restrain, it'll get great and wrongly interpreted. this weakness and actually bring the boy you don't want onto, that is a venture. and so possess cams as being much criticized for those comments that he made. and for, in the sense, almost go behind the backups of the system to talk about them in the, with the americans and with the europeans. because he does not have a mandate to do that. he does not have that monday,

that lives with the security council. a lot with him and it was the supreme leader who had ordered if you liked the attack in retribution for the killing of neil. and it came from the tall full from the head of the security council. so i'm, there is a lot of sort of concern, i'm sure it will pause, but i think that's one of the reasons we had what we had, the, the, the, the recent miss all attack him in, in iran, as iran in israel, as the iran wanted to recuperate the sort of sense of to tyrants a sense that they are serious and that also to show that they have the capability of some missile because of cost their restraint on the 13th of april when they followed miss house full wasn't misinterpreted completely as well. we'll just, you know, they were all knocked uh, 99 percent were knocked out by

a us above the defense systems. and so now they've had to demonstrate that actually israel's ad defense systems on not very effective. i'm not quite capable of landing um, ballistic missiles as to saw on target in israel in a very short notice. yeah. blankets, idea of censorship at the moment of the impacts and the results of it. just some ripple is the tile of maze. the 15 is we didn't have it in the f 35 that had to him and based in israel, have 35 that 15 and not a single is riley casualty. it'd be, is to be bought uh, as regards a silver spring criticisms can be made that like that about certainly, would've, i'm advantage over the libya to backlash over, put in allowing things to get to the stage. are they willing to hand stuff to them made on to and, and so forth. but is there a similar mistake being made by people who think that netanyahu is running the show

here? i mean, we know by didn't said to me not going megan in 1982. he wouldn't care. level of 11 and civilians were killed. a was wisdom and i can beg in the, in the atrocities in 1982 blinking off to october 7th. and he came to israel as a jew who was brought up of course, by a lawyer and confident of the most lads robot. maxwell is still a little money in britain from the pension fund, samuel piece us a piece are and i think is his name doing confident. and maxwell, is this a plan? was this a, a jealous hydro plan from the beginning? because then the, then jake sullivan of the national security council, the in the united states doesn't look so stupid load is blinking. that in your planning mazda strokes here, bringing the u. s, which always wanted to get involved. because clearly the us were involved in terms of the reaction to iran retaliation using the destroys in the, in the red sea. and they're prepared for it going forward. this was the plan all

alone. it wasn't. i mean, i'm not, you only can say that about ukraine work to me. the dictators are lensky is losing, but this is the plan to exterminate costs. i think it's higher. so i think for is for, for a long time, i mean the plan about garza and upon the, about the west bank. and of course, destroying this bullet has been known about for a long time. it is deeply entrenched in the israeli policy. and of course, um, let me off who came to congress and related to was very clearly he said in vice here to america, to war games. good wrong. so you, if you like the head of the octopus. uh that is strangling it. israel and he said this is a war of civilization against bumper some so everyone knew that this was sort of in,

in, in the works. now i think there are 2 elements to this that, you know, i don't think it's so directly because of the 1st really, is that i think the, the, i don't think good particularly, but most the other parts of the system, but certainly not mostly the congress is old, both in, unless of course, and other parts to a new cause. so certainly all the pentagon is getting increasingly worried about over extension of the americas getting overextend. bro, if you like, china is ramping up the pressure some in the pacific. they've got it more of a carrier in the field. so the pentagon wants to put more resources that, and it's still preoccupied with ukraine and to have a wall payment with a ron allen in the middle east, with all its american bases with all its,

um, uh, a few like exposure as far as her abilities or i think it was not so popular, and i think that's probably what made the pentagon. i actually vito's the idea from bread and from others from a blinking to a permit, the craniums the fall. so miss solves deep into deep into rush over that can be changed. that could change the, the moment of goes by the time does the road i could have back to that can happen, particularly in an election period. well, you know, a good, i feel like political till he point saw, are essential and appearing tough on pigeon is considered to be the sort of from talking point to, to make so to me for, for by him and his team. but i'm just saying, i'm not sure, and i'm not sure at this moment if it's a good idea to have

a wall where they are wrong and kinda because of the like to prospect of the policy and bar in the united states. i mean, that's a very complicated domestic calculation, which depends on this will do you like the world composition of these 5 swain states and, you know, in some there are quite substantial numbers of muslims. they belong to them already . surely by now with the pictures we've seen from gaza and 11 and the m and a nice area. and there are things i, i think so, but i mean these 5 states, so very crucial. i mean the election. so one or austin, this and the trying to recuperate, but i mean, actually they're getting the, digging that whole deeper and deeper with the statements that are being made and going to be uh how some last fall a is an iconic figure. there's been an iconic go, someone who has, you know, spend the low standing for national liberation and 2 colors. it was

a little, have been no signs, manifestations in kashmir, august of india, and across the middle east, venezuela. in but came to verify that is last, you know, i do want to get to actually go is a time in the time limited to us. i just want to say, why is it iran react using these traditional warfare means? i mean, it's a long time since carlos, the jackal was operating against the, the owners of israel as it were, the back as of israel. where's the asymmetric warfare going? i only ask because if it is true that it was be just by design and that in fact, trump, who's being fed, that iran was behind his assassination attempt. and if the bible in any case has a sponsor to the genocide and cause, if that was, if they had the powers behind it, rather than all this obsession in the progressive media are arguably against

nothing. yahoo! isn't the impetus now to attack the, the senses of power that the metropolitan powers which are the senses of power operating in west asia rather than using tel aviv. well, i think the pressing festival, what you're saying is partially true, but the net, you know, who it has carried a lot of blame for what's happening. and every day one says, well, if he was lost power or something, everything would be right. i don't think that this is necessarily the correct perspective because actually he has the support of a cabinet. he has enough support with in the capacity to survive until the 26. and he's made it always made it clear. i think he gave a, a, in an interview in the seventy's to hastings, the pricing

a book. and he said in the next full bullying, well we will of take go to the end of expelled all of our skin in some arabs. and i think between the river and the se. so, i mean, he's been part of this for a long, long time. his father was a private sex rate to get the tense k. so he's a jump button ski revision is like most of the cabinet. and there is a majority of the trainings, it was obvious when this government came into the and we saw the mizrahi, the jews that come from north africa in the middle east. what taking key positions . these were the people at the beginning, a broad festival, into a one and then then tuesday, the coolant. and this is great. they feel, i mean, you know, that program said it will. it was obvious some time ago. what was the program to

establish and the israel on? yeah, i mean is the program or a life? how is it indian state is the program offensive? drinking actually blinking was brought up by the new kinds of people. we haven't got that much time left. they all know sign is we agree that both sides that's i don't think there's no difference on that. and i'm saying that actually, i mean what that is, the question is they've collectively lead it into this. oh, did they just facilitate fits as it has a lot of the met him. yeah. who and that happened that i mean to be no restraints put on is the tool. so is it a question of passive commission given the task because they're actively all they've signed another 9 busy and the other day 2 days before the h to the yeah, there's nothing passive about it and straight down very quick very quickly. and finally, very quickly. finally, um i should,

i actually went through this with you about brittany's role with rebecca theory based on the british prime minister thing. he's all up left for it. and then then denials that the you in a really britain no. a target for any resistance attack, should it become a symmetric and do strategic and outside of west asia. julian assigned you gave us so much information. uh, with that i suppose. i recall most importantly, pads at the moment. the memo from uh, jake sullivan's, hillary clinton saying isis was on the us aside in syria, as long as smoke for the 1st time about his torture and the counsel of your meeting this week. how far do you think his life is in danger? away from all of these other big geostrategic topics. i mean, we did a lot of interviews with julian massage before his cafeteria to and torture by the british, of course. but i can't tell. i mean, i can give you a notice or to, to view, but i don't think it is in danger. no,

i think he's done it. his dale way have to say he even knows that he was a journalist and that did some things, but i think that's probably as much as one can tell the end of it. but i mean, who knows, i mean, those are the sort of the black areas of policy that you're not allowed to see. they all kept very much in the dark. i don't know, but i think i'm old. but anyway, it's just, he is. he's okay now as a drug, thank you and that's over the show. i'll continued condolences to those surviving u. k. you as you on violence here in the middle east will be back from or on washington's wall with a brand new episode. on monday, joined by the sea ice form accounts of territory, dr. michael sure. until end keeping jace bible social media results sent to the new york country and i to a channel. you want to be honorable dot com to let you know that besides of going underground see monday, the

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