the, the sooner time see welcome back to going underground will cost to go around the world from the u. a. in the heart of the middle east on the day 38 years ago, the world did confirmation of these. rails may be 200 nuclear weapons. good to see the usa of outside south africa. and one of the hollywood store film produces israel has to this day no, come clean. the new k, a whistle blower motor car avenue new would be honey draft and kid that from london by room for his revelations before decades on torture and in his riley prison. the world today turns to the prospect of the use of those nuclear weapons by u. s. u k. u back to israel. this after a run, finally retaliated for the gaza genocide. the test run this as a nation of palestine chief negotiator attacks on the radian diplomats and the killing of thousands and babies to a res iconic lebanese resistance need to has on this route, i would circle genocide. jo, how it goes tara's not presiding over millions,

display skilled a wounded, mostly women and children right across this region and join now from rome by alice to cook. you k, diplomat and full, they you foreign policy chief advisor. he's a founder and director of the baby based complex for him and all of the resistance of the essence of the as the mist revolution. thank you so much alice, of joining us again. it's been a while, and that's happened in the year as you're on going underground. i think in the beginning of this year, you can see from the headlines, there's only one of go story. and that's a do by based a gulf, the news. you run a tax that israel vfc, the japanese paper thing is real steps up a tax on the wrong proxies as if they're all just their own proxies everywhere. i guess 1st your take on whether there is now there's no real us defendants. they said, the largest fleet of the united states has in this area and the lease in the mediterranean didn't seem to scare your own. you know, i think that was uh, that would have been

a mistake. i don't think there's been a lot of talk about it wrong being frightened or scared or does. it wasn't invest. in fact, it was a calculated decision maybe or in the wrong, by the leadership of this. it would not want to cause a regional white will big war, in other words, in the region, but for all sorts of reasons. i mean not because they were particularly fright box it. they've been preparing for it for about 20 years. but simply because a lot of this happening and the very much aware of being very closely in touch with most of those, you know, the pregnant issue is already coming to a head to the moment. this in the most moments of crisis for the united states

facing a major, major defeat of the us, the and the secondly, because the brick summit is coming up on the 25th of this month. and i think that both the most go and cut her arm, and of course, basing would like this to parcels. well, and to be a substantial meeting with many new initiatives and honest to yeah, i mean i, i do want to get back to this region, but india is foreign minister jason cars width binds. i mean, i'm not sure whether anyone is with the bible is able to in the white house. and it goes to india has a huge and international, lots of transport. cory door operation going, which iran is an important, essential part to the united states to understand what's happening in the brakes, and what will be discussed in cars on the tool or they're just signaling. look at

all american interests in the region should activate against the threats of a run just when india is doing a massive deal with a run, as is russia. and as is china i, i don't think that the moment there is much understanding of the, the middle east. i think most of them, at least textbooks that were in state department and other places have been removed . they have been removed. we have a being run essentially by people who do not have much expertise and board as they have expertise, like hey, most whole time, it is really from the is ready perspective problem from a united states perspective. that's the us on voice. it was an idea for us us as basically as rails man in the abiding cabinet. yes, he has, or he has an office in the white house. a he moved from state to buckland,

where he did the demarcation negotiations with lebanon above maritime areas of exploration. and then he went into the white house with one secretary and the team and the state department was dissolved as i understand it. so he sort of all brakes as a one man band, director of the white house. yeah, well, i want to explore whether it is incompetence or it is actually by design. i'll give it a but just briefly when it comes to the incompetent side of things, a rookie mistake by president possess scan will be wrong to come out with the bizarre statement that somehow he'd had ej assurances that restraint would be rewarded. restrain from the wrong would be rewarded in the light of the smile on the mud or in the tear on which we between. and the reward of course, was not swallowed as estimation. i mean, basically basically, i suppose you could put it in those terms. but as it has been, the was sort of,

there is politics involved and less than 10 are wrong. and i think that when, as ash county who doesn't have that sort of experience was made for president, he was pretty well captured to can we say buys a basically buys as i read some cut to me sort of a crew in, in iraq. and so he did and to his embarrassment, he did believe assurance is that he was given a by you your appear on an american. both are see, is that the would be substantially relief of sanctions for iran. and that would be a guaranteed c star and garza on times that would be acceptable to hum us. and as he said, it is into view of 2 woods. they lied. none of it was true. um,

so this being a lot of anger in iran and a lot of soul searching soul searching because iran has been very castle and it's reactions. it is shown great self restraint, really dating back to the killing of cut some sort of money. but also off to the attack on the syrian on the consulate in syria and damascus, where it raining and generally was killed. but uh, at that point they did mitigate very much what drones and miss house 5, but it was costly orchestra to alaska and who was a foreign minister of that time off to it's both. and he said that, you know, what we call to get this right. i mean, in the sense that we are trying to be restraining and lost

a lot of this conflict to escalates into a wider war. but we've called to maintain that sort of sense of deterrence. and we've got to maintain a sense of strength. so there is a been a lot of criticism this restraint, much advocates, it if you like, by that reformist went and did wrong, has contributed to some extent of play, but contributed perhaps, to israel's feeling and todd to be able to take out the whole of that has put a leadership, including statehouse on the throttle and then to attack the level of across the board. i mean, uh from all sides of level, and i mean is really suffering the sort of because a treat whereby they are dividing up their routes into sort of sectors. i'm telling people to evacuate one sector,

a move to another sector. and then when they caught the, as i told to move back, because that sector is about to be a tech. so there are more than the 1000000 displaced from the homes and the something a large number, i think 1500 killed them about 8000 injured. but these are not as bullet people the so basically ordinary level needs. that being said to be connected with, says paula. and of course we have the same. the same justifications. oh yes. um. has buller is hiding behind the people? he's using them as human shields in every house. there is they produce this fantastic idea of a sort of missile at b and b, whereby lebanese was sort of keeping me solace in the homes and getting a small fee from as bullet for doing so. this is all nonsense complete nonsense because i was in lebanon in 2006, and before and often during the war,

and even before the war has put a to great effort to make sure the one know up and saw o quit, indeed military assets that were anywhere near the level of these villages or cost, so they kept them quite away from it. so the idea that they know having this house in the attic and things is just a typical propaganda. but it has no no basis. but it's being used for the tax and the impacts are as in gaza, intended to put pressure on the civilian life in these population. imagining that back end to turn on on as bullet, in fact, fall more than in 2006. so let's have a nice with just the usual exceptions. let's go monitor them. suppose it that i'm with the, for our minister and the president. think, you know, we stand as while this is an attack on the 11th the system to attack on, on as bo,

we are being attacked right up through the back car and across a level and, and didn't pay a route. so it's very different. but yes, there is a very awful lot of criticism of iran and the wrong is having to look very half the, you know, there is a real got it. i mean, you know, i don't want to make it sound so simplistic like you know, but it is, this is just contributed to it. i mean, those are ro dilemma. you can use self restraint if you like, in order to try and avoid going to abroad a will not, is in the interest, they run the interest of a rush. i see interest order of the region not to have a full i'll, i'll turn out will. but at the same time, the other side cause that i remember it, is that actually by too much?

so for a strength, you end up ways. um if you like escalation and you end up with a wall anyway. and sometimes you find the bike cell for screen i actually will comes to you even wherever you wanted to know. so the question was, and this is why i think we had this officer and it was the answer that came from the supreme national security council. i just remind viewers that possession who has had a lot of publicity, who has no say in these decisions. this is not his field. foreign policy security policy lies in calling with the supreme national security council under those supremely that the supreme leader makes the laws decision most the press spent. he is basically concerned with domestic administration of the state but know with foreign policy and off with security. how's that work? i'll stop you about more from the former advisor on middle east issues. the foreign

policy chief ivy as a loaner after the spring, the, as the year ends being coming from administration continues to believe it can in the conflict in ukraine from pen is people are beginning to understand. and in this conflict is more difficult in starting a war. the problem is moscow cube and washington wants different outcomes, the the plug it back to going underground. i'm still here with us decrypt for the

british diplomat and founder and coming director of the baby based complex for him . how starting part one you were talking to me about this yesterday and not having a foreign policy control in iran? i mean, arguably, i mean i lived in tyrone he does have power to resign at any rate, but as regards and i should also add as regards to but what we really try to gauge to the side of the national security is true. the true. so maybe he was power to it's, i don't know, but there's a lot of, i mean it's a very cruelty issue, but i just want to underline, i mean it, ron is not alone in the style. lemme which i well did rush, i give them bad advice, reflected rush, i give them that advice. me sure. stood by me just to make sure you know the day before as well. you know, russia has had had the same dilemma, and during the war in new grade, there been times where they've had setbacks reverse thoughts. and they've had to stop and think, reassess and, and actually the been changes in the,

in the senior military leadership in moscow. so, i mean, these things are not confined to iran, is the general opprobrium about this dilemma that, you know, if you act with restrain, it'll get great, wrongly interpreted this weakness and actually bring the boy you don't want onto. that is the danger. and so possess cams as being much criticized for those comments that he made. and 4, in the sense, almost go behind the backups of the system to talk about them in with the americans and with the europeans. because he does not have a mandate to do that. he does not have that monday that lives with the security council a lot with him. and it was the supreme leader who would order if you liked the attack in retribution for the killing of neil. and it came from the tall full from

the head of the security council. so i'm, there is a lot of sort of concern. i'm sure it will pause, but i think that's one of the reasons we had what we had the, the, the, the recent miss all attack in, in, in iran, as iran in israel, as the iran wanted to recuperate. the sort of sense of to tyrants, incense for they are serious. and that also to show that they have the capability of some missile because of cost their restraint on the 13th of april when they followed miss house full was in time mess. interpret completely as well we'll just, you know, they will not uh, 99 percent but enough to buy a us above that defense systems. and so now they've had to demonstrate that actually israel's ad defense systems on not very effective. i'm not quite capable of landing a ballistic missiles as to saw on target in israel in

a very short notice. yeah. blankets, idea, censorship at the moment of the impacts and the results of it. just some ripple is the tile of maze. we have 15 is we have never, then we have 35 and it had to him a base in israel have 35 that fifteens and not a single is rarely a casualty. it'd be, is to be bought uh, as regards a silver spring criticisms can be made that like that about certainly, would've, i'm advantage over the libya to backlash over, put in allowing things to get to the stage. are they willing to hand stuff to them made on to and, and so forth. but is there a similar mistake being made by people who think that netanyahu is running the show here? i mean, we know by didn't said to me not going megan in 1982. he wouldn't care. whole of 11 and civilians were killed. a was worse them and i can vague in the, in the atrocities and 1980 to blink and after october 7th. and he came to israel as

a jew who was brought up of course by a lawyer and confidant of the most ads robot. maxwell is still a little money in britain from the pension fund of samuel piece us a piece are and i think is his name doing confident. and maxwell, is this a plan? was this a, a jealous hydro plan from the beginning? because then, so then jake sullivan of the national security council, the in the united states doesn't look so stupid load is blinking. that in your planning mazda strokes here, bringing the u. s, which always wanted to get involved. because clearly the us were involved in terms of the reaction to iran's retaliation using the destroys in the, in the red sea. and they're prepared for it. they going forward. this was the plan all alone. it wasn't. i mean, i'm not sure and could say that about ukraine work that heavy. the dictators are lensky is losing, but this is the plan to exterminate costs. i think it's higher. so i think for

as for, for a long time, i mean the plan about garza and upon the, about the west bank. and of course, destroying this bullet has been known about for a long time. it is deeply entrenched in the israeli policy, and of course, netanyahu came to congress and elated to we're off very clearly. he said in vice here to america, to a war against the wrong. so you few like the head of the octopus. uh that is strangling in israel and he said this is a war of civilization against bumper some so everyone knew that this was sort of in, in, in the works. now i think there are 2 elements to this that, you know, i don't think it's so directly because of the 1st really is that i think that they don't have good protection and they,

but most the other parts of the system. but certainly not, you know, as a, the congress is old both in, unless of course, the other parts, the neo cons, the set me off, the pentagon is getting increasingly worried about over extension. is that america's getting over extended road, if you like china or is ramping up the pressure some in the pacific. so they've got it more of a carrier in the field. but the pentagon wants to put more resources that. and it's still preoccupied with ukraine. and to have a wall pin with a ron allen in the middle east, with all its american bases with all ex. um, uh, a few like exposure as far as her abilities. and i think it was not so popular. and i think that's probably what made the pentagon. i actually vito's the idea from bread and from others from a blinking to

a permit the premiums to fall. so miss solves a deep into the deep into rush over that can be changed. that could change the, the moment of goes by the time does the road i could have back to that can happen, particularly in an election period. well, you know, a good, i feel like political toll keep going. saw are essential and appearing tough on boots in is considered to be the sort of from talking point to, to make so make for, for by him and his team. but i'm just saying, i'm not sure, and i'm not sure at this moment if it's a good idea to have a wall with the wrong and kind of the like to prospect of the policy and bar in the united states. i mean, that's a very complicated domestic calculation, which depends on the so do you like the little composition of these 5 swain states

and, you know, in some there are quite substantial numbers of muslims. they belong to them already . surely by now with the pictures we've seen from guys and 11 and the m and a nice area and there are things i think so. but i mean these 5 states, so very crucial. i mean the elections, alonzo, lots of them is. and they're trying to recuperate, but i mean, actually they're getting the, taking that whole deeper and deeper with the statements that are being made and going to be uh how some last fall a is an iconic filter. there's been an iconic go. someone who has, you know, spend the low standing for national liberation and 2 colors. eliza, i mean to have been, you know, signs manifestations in kashmir, august of india, and across the middle east,

venezuela in but came to verify that is last, you know, i do want to get to actually go is a time in the time limited to us. i just want to say, why is it iran react using these traditional warfare means? i mean it's a long time since carlos, the jackal was operating against the, the owners of israel as it were, the back as of israel. where's the asymmetric warfare going? i only ask because if it is true that it was be just by design and that in fact, trump, who's being fed, that iran was behind his assassination attempt. and if the bible in any cases sponsor to the genocide and cause, if that was if they had the powers behind it, rather than all this obsession in the progressive media are arguably against nothing. yahoo! it isn't the impetus now to attack the, the senses of power that the metropolitan powers which are the senses of power operating in west asia rather than using tel aviv as

well. i think the pressing festival, what you're saying is partially true, but the let me know who it has carried a lot of blame for what's happening and everything one says, well, if he was lost power or something, everything would be right. i don't think that this is necessarily the correct perspective because actually he has the support of a cabinet. he has enough support with in the capacity to survive until the 26. and he's made it always made it clear. i think he gave a, a, in an interview in the seventy's to hastings, the pricing a book. and he said in the next full bullying, well we will of take a girlfriend of expelled, although i was getting in some arabs and i think between the river and the sea. so

i mean, he's being part of this for a long, long time. his father was a private secretary to deb attempts k, so he's a job. but since the revision is like most of the cabinet and there is a majority of the, it's really is it was obvious when this government came into the and we saw the mizrahi, the jews that come from north africa in the middle east. what taking key positions . these were the people at the beginning, a broad festival, into a one and then then tuesday, they cooled. and this is great. they feel, i mean, you know, that program said it will. it was obvious some time ago. what was the program to establish and the israel on? yeah, i mean is the program or a life? how is it indian state is the program of entity blinking actually blinking. so it's broken up by the kinds of people we haven't got that much time left. they all know

assignments, we agreed that based on that's, i don't think there's no difference on that. and i'm saying that actually, i mean what that is, the question is they've collectively lead it into this, or did they just facilitate fits as it has a lot of the met him. yeah. who and the cabinet. i mean to be no restraints put on is not a tool. so is it a question of passive permission given the passive because they're actively all they've signed another 9 busy and the other day 2 days before the h to the yeah, there's nothing passive about it. and straight down very quick, very quickly. and finally, very quickly. finally, i should, i actually went through this with you about brittany's role with rebecca theory based on the british prime minister thing. he's all up left for it. and then, then denials that the you in a really britain know a target for any resistance attack, should it become a symmetric and do strategic and outside of west asia. julian hassan who gave us so

much information. uh with that i suppose. i recall most importantly, babs at the moment, the memo from uh, jake sullivan's hillary clinton thing isis was on the us aside in syria as long as smoke for the 1st time about his torture and the counsel of your meeting this week . how far do you think his life is in danger away from all of these other big geostrategic topics? i mean, we did a lot of interviews with julian massage before his cafeteria and torture by the british. of course i called tell, i mean i can give you a notice or 2 to view, but i don't think it is in danger. no, i think he's done his deal way out to say he knows that he was a journalist and that did some things, but i think that's probably as much as one can tell the end of it. but i mean,

who knows? i mean, those are the sort of the black areas of policy that you're not allowed to see. they all kept very much in the dark. i don't know, but i think i'm old. but anyway, it's just, he is, is okay. now how's the drug? thank you. and that's of, of the show i'll continue to condolences to those surviving u. k. u. s. u on violence here in the middle east will be back from or on washington's wall with the brand new episode on monday, joined by the c. i. as for mackenzie, tara chief, dr. michael sure, until end keeping. josh, why will i social media results out to the whole country and i to our channel going on. we want to keep you on revel dot com to watching you and all that besides of going on the ground. see monday, the th is what i think people are

disgusted with what's going on with that. sending huge amounts of money to the lensky in terms of weapons to kill russians when actually, we're taking money away from people that hadn't been one of the big things in the you tell you that i never about domestically is that the current labor government have taken one and a half 1000000000 pounds away from the of the many places in the world's wages, the on the divide between the 2 oceans and over you might not think kids. what does this, hey, english is northern, are found guest vision in the channels that us and national parks. and today's, we know the stuff was, i'm taking a deep side interest because the

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