judith and so team patients, including a woman battling cancer, who is on the brink of death to the camera, that's not specific. a tank chased us to l freak square. they separated us into 2 groups. one consisted of women, the other of men who were then placed in different locations. the situation was very difficult. the women were forced to undergo searches and remove their jobs. the men were ordered to strip and then were beaten. it was an extremely tense situation. probably no more pop up the northern guns, a governor, it includes 3 palestinian towns jamalia bade le, here and base. i knew all have been targeted as part of a population clearing operation, potentially thought it came up with the relentless plan of these really ami continues. it's go, is the evacuation of hospitals in every city aiming to extinguish the last hope of the survivors. we have like socks on the going to discounts is escalations and then

with the lease, with where it says, politician david costs and the latest episode of loans upon. but that was more news of the hello and welcome to worlds. a part of the school has witnessed a long procession of black swans flying in all directions, but now there are circling the middle east, a series of terrorist attacks and masses missile exchanges between israel and its she adversaries has once again brought the situation to the brink of original conflict swimming, we catch in washington of guards or unable to respond effectively. where does these percolation of a new war believe the old ones. we'll discuss that i'm now enjoying by david person,

page politician and the leader of the heritage party. the said cursing. that's great to see you this morning. thank you very much for your time. nice. thanks. it's really to get to join you as well. now, the middle east has been a source of instability, are very turbulent area for quite some time. but there's been a very noticeable, very vivid escalation over the last couple of weeks. how do take and do you think it's just another seasonal flare up, or is it something more serious, more consequential? you will have problems and i'm at least go back ultimately 75 years. but this current flare up started on the 7th of october with the actions of some ass one. that was a very strange thing because they could get over the most secure border wells. i don't understand that myself, but then obviously since then it split up more and more. israel is retaliated completely out of proportion to what happened on the 7th of october,

and now they're trying to draw away in other countries. they're not just fighting against the mass in the gaza strip. they've opened the front of games, lebanon bombing, lebanon, dad, they've bones the euro. wrong day, they killed the leaders of mass and the in his out in the apartment building. and they knew wrong, and they boeing syria and they're doing taking actions in the west bank. so this really is an escalation, a big escalation. this happens in the last couple of weeks and doing what i think the world was horrified. a couple of weeks ago when they were all these page explosions and exploding walkie talkies. the count some his ball fights is yes, but lots of in assume to women and children as well. now israel as a, as a national, after it's national behavior, is a pretty much the products of the west. it wouldn't be able to be what it is. it wouldn't be able to behave as it behaves without substantial military diplomatic

financial support from the west. but there is a paradox here because i think at this point of time, it's national behavior. it's app, is it odds? both with the democratic administration in the united states and perhaps more broadly with the interest of the west. is it still an asset to the west? is it still a genuine ally in the cold war era is right? it was seen there was no question because these violet is on the side of the west. again, it's colleen is of a now since the full of the building bowl, since the fall of communism, things have changed. and, you know, we had a decade where russia was very, very much, you know, in the warm relationship with the west in the, you know, the, the late ninety's early 2, thousands. but i think now people are changing. so, you know, this is a long change of, uh, a few decades. of course, we no longer in the cold war, so we're not, we're not fighting the tool now. so now people are really questioning a lot why is riley is doing. and i think the thing that people are looking at is

that response in killing tens of thousands of women and children in gaza. and a lot of people are absolutely horrified by that. even people who previously supported israel. so that questioning, well, well, what are we doing here? what, what is this country doing? why are we giving so much military support and political support? so a country that actually is going round, you know, and it's, it's definitely the civically clinton's in gaza. some people use the word genocide, you know, it's, but the beginnings of that and that goes against all of the values and principles that we say we hold the are in the west. so let me ask you about that specifically because it's not only about the valleys but the house about commonsense, basic commonsense and your own sense of self preservation. and what i find paradoxical about the western decision making is that the west, on the one hand, eagerly picks up battles to be a very powerful nuclear armed opponents like russia. and with them as prefers

confrontation, kinetic confrontation over negotiations. but when it comes to suppose it allies like israel, the other way around it seems to be open to being used to being manipulated, to being sidelined or ignored. it doesn't seem to have the god, so they ask human to sort of change that dynamic, that the relational dynamic in its own favor. how do you explain that? obviously the most powerful country in the west, the con, but the country that pretty much runs the show is the united states and the buying and administration has a lot of people who haven't joined us is ready citizenship. so you're is royal in the united states, a pretty much wanting the same in terms of, you know, where the people who are making the decisions. you know, you go on to the blinking, you've got lindsey gray and you've got victorian unit and all of them have joint is ready citizenship. so they're very much thing 10 and support israel because you've

got all these people that do are as ready citizens as well. but also the other thing is the power adults because some of these people actually have a lot of antagonism to, to russia. and this was explained by my friend gonzales leah rob, show people what she showed knows him, it was killed in you, cried and he did a very good explanation of this. for example, look up a tory, a knew that she's a descendant of people who uh, uh, forced to leave and ukraine, 2 or 3 generations ago and pulled drums as they possibly have some kind of sub conscious intergenerational antagonism, even hatreds of russia because of what happened a, a long, long time ago and you know, there are people around like that. and then some other people would go to the lengths of saying that they want raising change in russia because they,

they've instigated so the cause of revolution, obviously. and ukraine in the 2014, they tried to call the reputation and batteries back in 2020. the idea is they would do that in roster as well. but then in terms of the money people is riley is either it's, it's the stalking horse in the middle east because they, they want to take some of the landing dollars, though you've already got people setting up property agents to sell the landing garza from where people have been ethnically cleanse and it's a base in order to apply military operations to bones, syria, to bomb the rock. and there's a lot of american companies in that taking the oil out of syria taking a lot of their off. can i ask you a specifically about this, the relationship between the united states and israel? you said that that one of the same. and i think we broadly agree that israel is ultimately a creature of the west, but it wouldn't have been possible to exist for israel. the way i know it exists

today without the substantial support the western powers, but in the west has to operate within viewing it. janet seems like, like israel right now, can operate within period to even though the west doesn't particularly like it. i wonder if, in some strange way is really is giving the united states and there was more broadly a taste of what's on the policy is that it's some strange sort, sort of geo political come up ends of actually being faced with the consequences of your own policies in non other than your partner or a country that you call your partner? yeah, i mean i get to say something even more detail. you can come to the city. yeah. it's a jewish projects. obviously it is the jewish studies, and the people who are the main move is behind creating israel. yeah. old way they were in the west. the would do is people the role stalls, families, etc. who provided a lot of the money in the beginning to buy outlines to support these riley states.

and that continues today. obviously, as i said, the special help from the united states and be your and security council, or with the military supplies, etc. i mean, b is really project started perhaps as the end is really initiative, but the wave survives and the way the, you know, grabs land of all the nations. i mean, wouldn't be, it'd be possible without the west. other thing. so no of course, no, because it is supported with a lot of money and we've made a tree support from the west. we give way from bottom, but billions of pounds to israel and ministry supports protects it. specifically from the united states. it is going that every single. yeah, yeah, of course a wouldn't be able to survive without that lifestyle. i don't think, you know, is riley is one of the top of beneficiaries of aids from the united states. of course, i can speak most about the united kingdom and i think this is reflected in the us

as well. is that the 2 main legacy policies and so i would call them the conservatives and labor. they both have within the parties, very, very powerful lobbying groups for israel. there is the conservative friends of his route and is the labor of friends of israel, and many, many people in the top of the government of the you type today, all members of labor, friends of israel, i may receive donations from this organization as the conservative ministers did to a large extent during their 14 years previous, the key installment coming in the i'm gonna tell you something which i, i made a video about on my youtube. a few people have seen it. but when i 1st was elected to the london assembly, which was 2016, i was taken to jerusalem. i wouldn't say i'm tied to it. i wasn't bundled into an adverb, i, you know, something, but i was, you know, i'm invited to a conference in jerusalem about freedom and democracy. i went to nice to all. this

is great. i'm just going to go and meet some people. and this is very nice, i had a visit to because that sits on my trip. and while i was there i, we, we were all taken into a room in the back of the contest that we had have been meeting with a member of the can. i said, and i didn't know this was going to happen, but he drew out something which is called a jerusalem declaration, which is something that we were off to sewing in the sort of co, safe environment. and it says that, you know, you will put the interest of music around this time is the only person that didn't sign it because i didn't want to sign something that was going to make the united beholden to something like that. that could, i should. but most of the people didn't sign it and you know, part of it back. and i think what was that old about as time is going on, i realize that, you know, they were a couple of american congressmen with me on the trip. but i realize that almost every body who becomes

a congressman or senator is expected to sign or off to sign this jerusalem declaration, which made them play edge personally, to support the nation of israel. they have to take a short break. let's stop for a moment, but we will be back to the discussion in a few moments they tune the us near to any leads to the colors and you might see other name is released. but you, me, can you tell me? no, probably my land when united, so that's literally ridiculous. this is kind of shows you this list of notes as detail is typical of the cost of the bottle,

which the portables seem and use the link to the store samples to florida. we would need to leave a few minutes 0. it's a good key. another phone yet because of that the the welcome back to was a parts with david person, british politician, leader of the heritage party, with the person just before the break your, your, your share, this very interesting experience demonstrating how sure the israel is about exerting its influence and how little if cares about the other countries, because um, you know, we would presume that all those british are american politicians would have a legions to that people 1st rather than people of israel. now i want to ask about that because the american politics has been in disarray for

a couple of years. but now particularly we saw by them is ling dock. and it happened that this precise moment is their own, chose not only to escalate in gaza, but also to open up to additional frogs and lab and on, in iran. do you think it did it on purpose simply because it's main sponsor, it's main ally. it happens to be destructive. yeah, i think the timing is very, very interesting because you've got the president selection just coming up. president trump is likely to be re elected. but at the moment, the united states is entitled some, as you say, bite and as not knowing whether he's coming or going for a couple of years. come all the house is not the brightest bulb in the package. things take it. i think many people would think the same. i'm so everyone around the world, you know, it is able to just try to do things and act so now israel, particularly to get things done in this moment where there is chaos in the united

states. and, you know, obviously this is related a little bit to what's happening in ukraine because everyone can see that is not going how the west and leaders wanted it to go. so it's route is probably be looking at this and thinking well now is all the time to do something. but let's go back to 2003 and the started the wrong for i'm sure you and a lot of people will be aware of the speech given by general, weighs the clock when he talked about the united states, they will, the west to getting to war with 7 countries, so there was a rock, lebanon, syria, libby, a sudan, austin somali. that is, i go on for one to know the guy. was there as well. yeah. yeah. they were gonna end up with the wrong. and that was the gonna be the final country that they were gonna get to well with and cause instability in. and then, you know, basically plug into the assets and put in a little puppet. so what, uh,

what do we have a great opportunity to see how it all played out? and i think it demonstrates that the main problem with western decision making is well, to put it the diplomatically the shortage of strategic for side. because all those wars, 2 words in iraq, health strength and iran ultimately be meddling in syria empowered. radical islamic groups like ice is unlocked to a huge migrant wave into western europe. if israel words or habits way in lab and on in iran, if it succeeded in toppling the range in government, or how do you think it's likely to implants the station not only in the region, but also let's say in our hemisphere because the implications would be larger than the middle east, the point of the was the being waged by the people in the didn't state is not to the top of the regime and then put in a raise the human rebuild the country. they say that's what what they want to do.

but the point seems to be, to cause chaos and the in those countries, they are also causing k as the case is reaching their source as well. i mean, it's definitely me reaching worse than your of maybe in a couple of years at the real range of the u. k. shores as well, but it's already reaching the u. k. shows that i'm, you know, we, we have a, a huge number of the military aids may have my friends coming across the channel illegally. and now we've got a $150000.00 to run the asylum system. the mainly you about this asylum seekers. but they come from these countries, mostly on man, middle women and children, which is means, which is why they think they'd genuine refugees as such. but they coming in to the u. k. and let and there's titles in the u. k as well with an increase in crime is adding to the housing crisis. there's millions of pounds being spent on these people who have come into the u. k. and this is all a result of the was which should be waged over the last 20 years. i mean, absolutely, i agree with you and it's,

it's often the insane to me that the was one perhaps for the european situation is the water, libya because i get that see actually all that he's, he's obviously not popular with the powers that be in the west he was very good because he held back the tide of migrants. he wants to come from africa since he's gone. and that was, you know, 12 years ago now there's been a lot of migrant started through lydia. and then that obviously was added to with the was in syria and on the rock. and now you've got new migrant boots starting to take place from lebanon. and if we get to will with the on, i say now i think that's to be the worst possible thing that anyone in the west could try to do. but if there is some kind of a ministry of tackling the wrong, massive bombing of the wrong people are losing their houses and they become the homeless. what a lot of them are just going to slot into europe as well. you know, i don't blame them, but that's going to be, you know, very bad for

a confident which really isn't coping very well with the millions of migrants that we already have because of the was that have been waged by the governments of all nations. uh huh. now perhaps we would the both agree that the west is not very good at the ending. it's more responsibly. it tends to sort of shifted attention to another conflict. and maybe it's a wishful thinking on my part. but thinking about the conflict in the ukraine, i have a slight hold of, uh, the west uh, seeing the intensity in the middle east. um, also experiencing its own fatigue around the, the premium conflict, the progression. do you think it's possible that somehow it's thinking about the ukranian situation may shift towards a perhaps in being distracted letting ukraine and russia figure it out between themselves? and i hope so. and i think some people are starting to realize that, for example, schultz, i'm john seller of, of germany is said he's not going to provide. he's told us crews messiahs to

ukraine, which is a good state. and i mean, that's a good sign in the way, i mean, they've been up to now being quite belligerent, but they, they not doing that. and hopefully people are starting to see sense you even, you're even getting pieces written in some of the mainstream media outlets saying, but russell is doing very well now that are balancing at increasing pace and the don't bass of the eastern ukraine. they change the tactics and this is putting the ukrainian all me eat the on the box the and indeed the friends in the don't box is collapsing and the color skin cogent didn't go as they wanted. it's, you know, a couple of months ago when the ukranian forces went into the coast region, all the main stream media and politicians with sharing that on. i mean, upholding late um, because of the loss of life that, that they were doing that. but now that housing was how they thought to me being pushed back and, and everything that the,

the ukrainian forces present lensky regime under the patronage of the west to try to do isn't working. and people can see that is, i think people are disgusted with what's going on with the sending huge amounts of money to the lensky in terms of weapons. the cable russians, when actually we're taking money away from people that hadn't been one of the big things in the you tell you that i know about domestically is that the current labor government have taken one and a half 1000000000 pounds away from pension, is with something called the winter fuel allowance, and that is just gives them a little bit of money to see them for the winter to heat their homes. but the taking the other way of giving twice as much lensky and as the longer this goes on, the more people are disgusted with the billions and billions of pounds years in dollars which are being sent to ukraine. well, public services is in health, so people here being costs into child. okay, well mr. gordon, i hope that people are not just disgusted, but also bring their disgust. do they pull additions,

so that'd be politicians can change that course. now you mentioned the german literature being somewhat of restraint in terms of sending long range missiles to russia and allowing them to be used against the russian territory. but the discussion is ongoing and british media. and the brits seem to be very belligerent when it comes to any kind of attacks against a restaurant or where do you see it going? do you think it's just the sort of the public discussion or if may go in into an actual escalation? we have in the, in the u. k. is what i call it a uni policy. we, we've called the conservatives and we got the label. they say they have rights and expedited, right? exactly, identical in terms of policy. so what we've got now is salma, but he's basically a continuation of johnson. and the soon i can, who is a continuation of my and camera on and brown and blair before them. they're all with, you know, they're basically getting in the same direction. stallnicher is absolutely the gung

ho for sending weapons to ukraine for them to buy a deep into the russian territory. that's what he wants. that's what he's going forward. he even went over to the united states to ask permission, most typically and incredibly bite and said no, he didn't give permission for this to happen at the time. so i mean that, that came out of nowhere, even though it's a good thing because it's actually the wrong thing to do. it would be a disastrous and reckless escalation of the conflict. is that what's happened? but i would make a distinction between the politicians and the people because the people increasingly are against best, they're against escalating. well we can see now the overall for 1000000 ukrainians have died. you know, including lots of young man who are being press gang going to the front line. you don't even don't have anything to do with fighting. and, and this again, is really pushing the consciences of the people in the west and who are different

to the governments who seemed to be on another level of wanting to escalate the board intentions because they still invested in taking back hold of the land and ukraine. because there's a lot of money behind it, they want to get in take control of the mines in the minerals. in fact, this even being said, and some of the mainstream media reports, there's 4 trillion or 10 trillion dollars worth of assets and minerals in the don't boss on black rock and other west and multinational companies and, and spends one of those assets in order to be able to take money out of ukraine. that's what they're concerned with. they're not concerned with people. they're not concerned with russians and ukrainians together. you know, young man, uh, killing each other for the people in the powers that be who are in charge and who are making the money. and that is disgusting to a lot of people forgive me for saying that of a nice thing. if you're, if you're leaving the in, in the country that you're doing democratic,

you do bear some responsibility for the actions of your, of your leaders. and that applies both to me as a russian. and i assume to british people when they consider the policy as a fuel nation because, you know, saw some people, there are some politicians there on not just the threatening else. i mean, they're, they're contributing to the, as he said to the killing of many, many thousands of our soldiers and, you know, our ukrainian neighbors. now, there's been some recent changes in russia's military doctrine with president put in announcing the end of the so called an nuclear immunity of the non nuclear states. and nuclear states will no longer be a sort of in joining these pretends of in a sense, when they send weapons to the ukranian slunk line and pretend that they are not involved in conflict. if those weapons i used against russia surgery rusher was change the right to retaliate directly and i assume a freshman does, so it may affect, you know, civilians in the west as well. do you think

a proposition like that is likely to sort of uh, bring some sobriety you to the way the british public, the british leadership is approaching this issue? well, i hope so, but, you know, president putin has been warning about known escalating for but, and since the beginning of the conflicts, and this is something that the west didn't needs to get involved in the, the most shameful thing that the west has done was done by forest johnson, in april 2022, when there was a peace deal agreed between president boots and zalinski, and jonathan went to the lensky with other people and persuaded him not to sign it and to carry on fighting. todd is absolutely upholding on the stain. on nation and because of that hundreds of thousands of more people have died. but do you know what, what president clinton is saying now is, don't fire crews and sorrows into russia, you know, which is absolutely reasonable. because in the west indeed is always the one to say

what else it will with russia. we don't have well with russia, but then they do everything to act in the amount of it. they are a war with their, all their, their supplying weapons and expertise on the satellite imagery. i mean, what have, uh, what else do you need to provide? i mean, other than the actual soldiers, but the funding, the servicing of this war continues with the western help. yeah, of course. i mean, you know, you can make the old sort of philosophical argument. you know, if you give someone a gun and they shoot, said someone and kills someone who's responsible, the person who ex, shot the gun on this new guy. but she to the gun, you know, they both responsible and this is the situation. the west is in the monument and what we're doing, and you know, back to your point about the west and the people bearing some responsibility for the governments, they elect. well, yes, i mean, and that's why i've, you know, the political party and the heritage policy, which is saying, among many obvious things that we're opposed to more we shouldn't be getting

involved in the policy conflicts around the world. except to try to deescalate things and speed pace and get people to stop fighting and stop giving each other the so i stood candidates and the reason general election. unfortunately, you know, we didn't have enough people wanting to come and stand for us to stand everywhere in both for us. well, um mr. kirsten, we have to leave it there, but thank you very much for being with us today. okay, thank you for watching hope this erin young on wells, the part the as the year ends, the incoming trump administration continues to believe it can end the conflict in ukraine. trump and his people are beginning to understand. and in this conflict is

more difficult in starting a war. the problem is moscow cube, and washington wants different outcomes. the russian correspondence is hilda and 4 of his colleagues wounded by a ukrainian rowing, which struck the call on its own. yet with public highway, also a head power. drones at that sir, is also constantly beating. you can hear the sounds of explosions. we report from a residential area also in don't bounce that's being hit by ukrainian cluster of buttons. one thing at least 10 people. it was a making with us intelligence, sol through psych, it'd be planned for some 15 years. but the question of how it happened remains a mystery. looking back on 2024. exploding electronics advise is less doesn't instead of $1211.00 on, on schultz to well be attached claims to.