1.3000000 people in the country that have already received deportation orders. you have another population that's known to be violent. that's a good place to start. does exactly at delta. i'm said he would do this. he's making good on his father is come back, victory, unlike anything we have ever seen in american history. so yes, no doubt about it. 2024 was the donald trump lift up to his name because it does anyone who's beaten yards and well come up trumps. it's had a lot so we've had time to squeeze in this morning. use of these you in around 30 minutes a the the

hello and welcome to cross stock. were all things are considered time. peter level, as the year ends, being coming from administration continues to believe it can end the conflict in ukraine. trump and these people are beginning to understand ending this conflict is more difficult than starting a war. the problem is moscow cube and washington want different outcomes. the cross section ukraine, i'm joined by my guess, carla nixon in washington. he's a political analyst and radio who is in pittsburgh. we have jim cabinet. he is a political analyst, and in serbia have drugs bosnia t as a fuel political. the military analyst are gentlemen cross lock rules in effect, that means you can jump any time you want and i always appreciate it. let's go to a drag out 1st. and serbia, i'm a one glimmer of light. so it coming out of the incoming trump administration is

keith kelly general keith kelly as old as the cold war by the way. so he's got a lot of experience or he's antiquated, we will find out as we move forward here. he says that trump does not want a settlement to collapse like the 2014 minsk agreements. when i read that i was kind of like what lease to you know is what the minister agreements are. that's a good starting point for this year because most people talk to you about this complex. i have no idea what i meant. what do you talk to you about? at least he's aware of it. i'm not sure what he thinks it means. so that's our jumping off point on the trumpet and ministration, claiming it can. and this conflict which i've been very dubious of ever since the present the legs claimed he could do that, go ahead. drago as well. i mean, in the city. so it's, it's very, um it's, it's a good thing that he knows what dimensions agreements are in place. he's not saying it was done, you know, to the,

by time for the key regime as was the case with the previous western leaders, particularly the former president of france a long and former chancellor, germany mircle. so who will actually send that over to me? that it was, it was just a ruse to get the russians, you know, to give them your trainings and all the time to prepare for the war. uh, so this is good. obviously we can expect from to actually end the war. and in 2 days or i or 24 hours, i can't remember exactly how much time he said he would. uh, it would take for him to do that. but it's certainly a good message to the world because we've seen that the current administration is essentially pushing us into the global disaster. and the fact that he does want, that is certainly refreshing because, you know, if you have a country with 5000 nuclear weapons in another country with nearly 6000, you want to make sure that they are at peace. and where this is not what we're getting from the current administration,

which keeps escalating tensions with russia and doing things that would make other countries respond directly. but of course, the russian leadership understands to the, the weights of its responsibility. and this is the sole reason why it hasn't responded directly, even though it has the capability to do that. so certainly a good message due to the world, and i'm not sure how successful truck will be, but it's, it's a better start than what we have now. well, garland to mean going back to the men sca comment that the general kelly made. i mean, since he brought it up shit and he'd be aware that it was actually a fraud on the part of the west as drago is just told us me the, the importance of bringing that up is that the russians, they had the men's process. they had a very short process after the complex started in minutes. that around is stem bull . so i mean, we got minutes, one minutes to we got a bill rose and, and then we have this symbol. i mean, there's that, that's 4 times 4 times,

you know, that's for going to the rodeo 4 times. and they were all frauds. i mean, we watch of the russians believe the 5th one is going to be true. darwin. yeah, i think what the, the, the, the trump administration understands what's going on. and the dynamics here in the, in the, in the hurdles they're going to run up against. and the reason i say that is because, and i would recommend any of our listeners to go read the opposite that was written by r f k junior. and donald trump, donald trump, son donald trump junior, and it was in political when the hill. and if you look at that, you'll see that they have a pretty deep understanding of the situation. and i think that their problem is not going to be with the russians. the russians are fairly reasonable. their problem is going to be with the blob here in washington, the i, c, n m. i 6 the rest of the ed with the, the neo nazis in ukraine, the other sides willing to make a deal that these lunatics are going to be doing. you know, god only knows what to stop. donald trump would say that that's, i'm glad the garland brought that up because yeah, i'm,

i'm on the face of it. i think me go because the russians have made it clear, the terms and conditions of negotiates has been, that's well known, i think. and we go back to june of this year where i present improved and made it very clear point by point here. but the garland does right, jim, is that it's gonna be uh, sabotage within washington, within brussels, within the u. k. to not allow any kind of process to move forward. jim, your thoughts as well? yes, i think it's, it's kind of wishful thinking to take the think that donald trump is kind of some kind of deep seated anti war piece. nick, he's not, you know, he's in dedicated american exceptional list. he's going around. so i'm talking about putting you over that kind of mark analogy and uh, you know, kellogg, keith kellogg. i think he said his name was kelly, but keith kellogg is general that he's going to send us a representative to rush you about this. you know, he put forward a plan on this and the plan was we're going to intimidate everybody. we're going to go in and tell them printing, they have to have peace,

have peace talks or we're going to stop bathing them. i'm going to tell the russians you have to have a ceasefire in line to contact them or with us, but we're going to up. all right. do you print? so i still think i do not believe that donald trump or the people he's, he's, these are pointing is ministration or are any less american exceptional, if they believe they can intimidate people, they believe they can terminate russia. and this is the, the, not the number of the problem, but certainly even if donald trump himself has, and he does have, he goes back and forth on this. and the last person he talked to, as we're saying, the deep state, the blog, the nato countries, the european countries, the conditions of, of ending this war that russia is going to accept our conditions that are a clear victory for russia can be hidden. and what they want to do is try and find some way to get russia to you know, to give something up on that not really do with your electricity with, with,

with yeah, yeah, but, but jim, there's, there's a way around it. i think i've kind of solve this puzzle here. that's why we're calling it the ukranian puzzle here. what does that go back to drag o? is it words, matt, or phrases matter? what we should, you know, it shouldn't be who is going to be victorious, the ukrainians, victorious the russians, victories nato. victoria's, that's the wrong way of looking at it way to look at it and i'm addressing what jim just said. here is peace. how do we bring peace back for everyone? now that is a way out for everyone involved. trump doesn't want to be the guy that last ukraine . we all know that mantra, but he couldn't. we, i brought peace to europe. that's the winning ticket. drago. yeah, i think this is what the farm industry lobrado said it's about shared european security. so if we have a you know, victors and losers, then we're off to the 2nd cold war and, and as that's a given,

there is no way to avoid it. if we are talking about the costs and confrontation, there's also the freezing of the conflict would also be terrible. because at what point, why are we going to freeze the conflict? also, if we're, if we freeze the top with, or we're going to have like a korea solution. because in that case, the russians, the russians will actually be the losing side because need, it will still be in assuming and trying to go, which is in the northeast of ukraine. and a missile would take 2 or 3 minutes to reach moscow from the area. so again, this would be a strategic defeat for russia, so there's no way that the russian would ever accept any sort of a freezing of the conflict of any of that sword. on the other hand, we or the russian also wants to be careful about not making nato looks like it last because then this would galvanize nato and they would essentially bring any, even more of these extreme is an expansionist empower in the alliance. so russia certainly wants to make sure that there's no new iron curtain of any kind,

russian wants to, you know, re establish connections with you on the blackboard. that's very optimistic here. but i would like to agree that you are right. i'd like to think that way, but garland, when this conflict comes to an end and none of us know how it's going to come to an end, it won't be really over. ok, the sanctions will not come to an end. and it will be a new type of comp, like a rum state from ukraine. i don't really know. okay. but the problem is if you're not looking to create peace, then all of these other problems will faster. that's why i started the program out with means if you don't address what was wrong there were, it's just going to continue under a different name. garland. yeah, well, a part of that is, but i'm glad you said that because we were part of a understanding how this conflict in is understanding that the ukraine project is not necessarily about. and crane ukraine is a political slash and military tool that used to what to week in russia, so they can go after china and go after everybody. this is

a tool for world domination. and if you the question, i think that the blogs going to have internally as well, can we not win on this one and still get world domination? so understanding that they're looking for world domination, the in the individual video sink receives of this. um, a fine think a way out of this have to be viewed in the context of requests to move the world. yeah. but garland this we spoke or before the recording here. i mean, what does it mean there? when you use the word had gemini, as indivisible, i mean either your head germonti come or you're not. i mean, and that's the quandary. washington in the western world just put itself in garland when one more thing and that's it. and here's the important part. what the trump people have on their side is that the majority of the people in the united states agree with them. the majority of the people in europe, what to return to a time when they had some level of economic prosperity. so while he will have

a battle with the people in power who are trying to med fascist ideology, what these strength you will have is that, but people will be saying, yeah, this is what we want, get it done. and the people in europe now, well retired. okay. do economic growth. that's what other casualty of the ukraine pot. uh, project gym. democracy. just because the people want it, the people in the, in europe don't want this war. the people in america don't want this war, but i thought the election said consequences apparently not, jim. no, certainly not in france. certainly our friends, i guess everybody elected another government. no, no, we're not going to do that. literally came out and said, we can't let elections, we trip, but elections determine what we're going to do. so this is a situation or a now, and that's what i say, you know, to whatever words we want to use it, i think the garland is right about, you know, the project of america is not to have peace in europe, is to have domination of the world and, and wherever in words we, we get

a little we can avoid the word victory or as much as we want, but everybody's going to see it. and they've been saying that the european spa, especially have been are the b. i may get a hold to that, thought jim, we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on ukraine, stay with the the gym. and so just deal with the, with the one with taking the picture. they were proud of domestic but are you ready to go in your settings menu up into there? no, but he got cutting away. or i actually was who i see on google more gained with dental muscle recycling and we'll get to under the, under the journal say to us just loved the street, but this, this indeed reality last has never been to the did you purchase a id please?

yeah. give us a time to time guys fashion hoya to do this, a gift of it's just extra us us to give v as in, i'm sorry, this is a very vote decision by the gym and government to even stop because he is when the agreement was that each generated more divisions and more and got more questions or more of those we are is using to pay us what they are giving us is go to the position congress and now we have not been supportive calls. what has been happening here. it will open the ponder as box the next thing it will be them for then also have to pay the of the

welcome next across stock were all things are considered on peter level trauma and you were discussing ukraine, the okay, when to go back to j jim in pittsburgh, unfortunately i had to cut you off who had to go to were break. but what you're saying is very interesting. and again, going back to the word had gemini, it either you have it or you don't, and that is the dilemma. the west is created for itself and it's a bi partisan issue in the us. so elections don't have consequences when it comes to the empire here. but that's a craven choice on the part of the west. russia wants security, and does it want victory? i suppose so, but it wants security. they want and security admin skit wanted security in december 21. it wants security now that is never changed. but for the west,

they need a strategic defeat of russia, which russia is denying. and that's the dilemma jim. well, i was gonna say, look, when they invoke mintz, i think what they want to do is minutes, 3 or minutes before i think they think they can get the russians to go along with them on the basis of, oh, that was biden's fault that were fearful we'll be really good guys, we'll keep our word this time. you know, and i think you, i agree with you. i agree, but i, i, that's what they're going to go for. i agree. and unless they get that, if the fresher ends up with the for less than premiere and neutralize nato, everybody's going to know who won wherever, where they went, they use they use or not, and the europeans for 3 years, they've been saying, we cannot allow that to happen, or it's a loss. yeah. basically, but but, but, but, but to that is it an idea of logical choice. ok. it's not a real list choice. i mean, you know, i was a trained to story and up until 1945 great powers. sometimes. what are sometimes

said loss, okay, that's still you know, and that's what happened here. everything is ex, essential. it's be a oh it's, it's joseph burrell. in the garden. the garden is going to die. is that okay? with this whole mentality is cooling the garden. okay. i'm going way off rails here . ok, drago, which change gears here and be realistic about it. we can talk all we want about keith kelly and his initiative. maybe he'll meet with putin blah, blah, blah. who cares? but the russians are winning. they're moving forward. you can talk all about drums plan, but what if the russian to say, we're not really interested, we're going to keep going into we do not define demilitarize, which was the goal. so i mean that is this a lot of empty talk. go ahead. drago. no, no, certainly not the reality on the battlefield says that's, that's precisely what's going to happen. just in the last 40 hours the russians took a 100 kilometers square kilometers of territory in the done. yeah,

it's gone last. so what we see is, is there is a russian military dominance and especially in artillery and these long range assistance. i just want to point out that the russians have approximately 7 to 10 percent tend to towards one in terms of artillery dominance and all data on military conflicts. in the last 200 years show that 80 percent of soldiers died to artillery. so just on just that fact alone should give you the idea of the casualty ratio of the crate in the russian side. so this is unsustainable for the, for the ukraine's is the sample for nato because the frame is, are doing all the die. but this, even, even nato cannot sustain this in terms of, of industrial warfare. and this is where russia also has a mass of advantage. and he's going to only be increased in the, in the foreseeable future, especially when the deliveries of north koreans are to resistance. and munitions, so this is not going to change, can only be exacerbated for data. of course, it's going to be better for russia, you know, garland,

what i hope for in all of this is a strategic defeat for nato. because nato is the problem here. they knew we used to have the indivisibility of security. i don't know what happened to the west that was part of the helsinki process in the 1970s. everybody knew it. everybody agreed to it. they have to go back to it. and if they have to experience a strategic defeat then so be a garland what one of the things we have issues we have here is that nato, when the people who run in are at war with the people of their own countries, they are at odds with the people of their own countries, they are fighting them off and trying to stop them from getting what they want. i would suspect at some point, and this is a strong possibility. it, donald trump says that the russians, all right, you made this offer. i will take it that sounds good. let's try to go with that. the ukranian say, oh no, we can't take that the. my 6 is of the world say, no, we can't take that. and donald trump at that point says okay, you guys will handle it, then we're out. we thought it was a good idea,

but you know what you guys handle it up? do what you've got to do? we got other things to do with darling buddy. what's, what's the, there's one small problem with your argument. i wish i could agree with a trump got in page in peach for it. remember? yeah, but now ok. number one, the democrats had had the senate. he's got both how i said he's very by heart is a garland party. it's very bi partisan. that's what so the problem matic about it. because again, as i've already mentioned, when you go to gym, i mean, no american, it's american presidents are always haunted. you know, losing china losing vietnam, losing this and that even losing afghanistan didn't help biden so, and this is a manager here. and plus, tim, it's, it's a nice money making machine for a lot of people involved in it. okay. i mean, if you go to the meat grinder, well, you're on the losing side, but there are people are being made billionaires in care of now. jim. yeah. and,

and look up. and they, they've lost in afghanistan, as you say, they've lost in a vietnam with this, losing nato know, this is another kind of loss. and they know what has defined it that way they've done it. you said didn't have to, they didn't have to do that. that's what russel brock obama said. hey, ukraine is not crucial to us. that push on the rush is not proof with us with the united states since world war 2. and certainly since the dissolution of the soviet union, it fixed itself was the world and it was for us to put in a real sense when the world uh, in a real sense. but it keeps losing wars with those words, warrant is important. and this is a war that all of europe and all of nato have put it's, it's, it's goods and it's credibility into and that's going to be gone. so that's why, you know, if trump wants to walk away from the american page to make a shot, i mean, there,

there are ways of dealing with this. and it's just that the big state is, is going to resist this. i mean, it's gonna be a lot of fighting about it because it's, it's expensive thing, but there's going to be a lot of resistance in this. and i don't think truck is really capable of resisting that much. what do you want it to leave? fear of seriously. why did they take american troop 7 serious? what did they do? they told them, oh let's keep your, let's not why they're there, but they're there for what happened that right now to keep serial. destroyed. so someone will come up with something to tell, trump that you know, you can't be perceived as weak. you can be perceived as losing this battle with drop. i mean, the, we've, we've put in an issue, he won't react on that basis, but whatever it is, i'll just say this is not, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. so resolution that's actually going to be accepted by russia is going to go down easily and the united states, well they, they, they're the drag of the, the resolution will be on rushes terms, considering the conversation we've had, it's, you know, it's tough medicine for the west to swallow, they wanted this war,

they got this war, they destroyed ukraine. they damaged their own economies. and this is what you get for your hubris. go ahead. yeah, i mean, just what you said it. so it's precisely what would that be? so actually what's going to happen, whereas, as my processors already said, no matter how you call it, it's going to be a strategic victory for russia. it's either that we're going to have nuclear war. there's no way around it. because if neither wins, or if we get a freezing of a call it, they will put missiles there and they said that they will be they, they set it in multiple times. they will put missiles there, whether they will be new operated work or they will be training operated, doesn't matter what they are also talking about literally wireless for you, for the ukraine. so if that happens, then we have nuclear war in, in 30 minutes, it's all going to be over in 30 minutes. and i, i don't want to make it sound the business scare mongering get. it's not, it's, it's the fact that russia will be strategically defeated if this happens. and of course, russia can only respond on a strategic plan,

but at least with nuclear weapons against they do and uh, and the decision making centers are not in kia, they're in brussels in washington dc. and this is what the rochester have said. so it's better for all of us in russia, wins and ukraine, because then we will have a sort of like a said, cedric, let's say by ballast, it's going to be reminiscent of what we have during the 1st couple more. so i don't see any other outcome, you know, you know, garland greenland is already been mentioned here. i mean, nato goes on and on about its sovereignty. but the states wants to take greenland away from denmark. i mean, isn't the not in sites a threat to the european members of nato now? i mean, you know, to, in one way or another. trump's going to get greenland? is anybody in europe going to protest as well? and again, what did donald trump's foreign policy when he talks about taking green then and the panama canal? so those 2 things. number one, it shows that it's on hinge, and a lot of that stuff i just dismissed donald. trump will say that kind of silliness

. and see everybody watching a girl, and we don't want, you know, to some they tell world calls rush unhinged. okay. rush. it had a security threat on its border. it complained about it for 30 years, for god's sake. ok. now trump is good as able to take a slice of europe as i say this over the next year. internally, these politicians in, in europe are going to be trying to survive. i mean look what's happening, the re romania look what's happening with german elections. dear storm is got one foot and the political brave and the other on a pat device. they're going to be trying to survive internally as their economies collapse. and people are going to be screaming for russian energy so they can get back on their feet. so they're got 2 wars. yeah, they want to deal with russia, but they're going to be dealing with internal theory for, for quite a while. you know, you know, tim, speaking of chief profession energy, it's never going to go to europe again. the united states flew up the pipeline. why

should russia take another chance? why? why? why should it? does it cheaper? i can change it, like a better g for europe is over, it's gone. go ahead, jim. well, that's, that's a good point. and, and, europeans don't seem to european governments at least, don't seem to understand the gravity of that is you say it's like the men screaming . why should we do it again? it's you blow it up. so the relationships and this is the point that the rush has been trying to say in the end of the agreements they offer to december of 2021. we need to have a security architecture that is comprehensive and everybody's concerns are, are met in the united states and they don't just blew it off. they just print, we're not interested in this talking like this. we, we want to run the world where we, we want to take over ukraine and you're going to just let us do that. and it's been a, this has been going on, as we all know, since at least 2014, you know, fort himself was criticized all over the place for not being more aggressive about

this and not, not recognizing that the don't does republic for 8 years yep, and just at the last minute. so we know that the russian regime, the russian government putting has been risk averse. they've been trying to avoid a war. but here it is. and i think now, pretty sure, or, you know, i'm not russian, but i'm pretty sure they're not going to be. they're not gonna swallow this again. they're not gonna know for one of these. all right, gentlemen, the general that not with a fascinating discussion gentlemen, but we have run out of time. i'd really appreciate it. and of course i want to thank our guests and watching in pittsburgh and in serbia and of course. so what i think our viewers for watching us here at our to see you next time, remember prospect, the in february 2020 to ukraine, the game, the world's number one, new story. ukraine,

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