the, the, the, i'm action or tension, welcome back to going underground rule got single around the world from the u, a. e, as we continues a couple of the time of trump as well as grocery inflation hits by the proxy war on russia through ukraine. the swing boats of arab americans during holocaust harris genocide in west asia, freedom of speech on the loan mux, twitter x platform, was critical for drums re election and exposing the censorship on the platform with the help of muscular journalists like today's guess to publish documents proving that before must quote x, there was no free speech, just like there is none today on google method of facebook and on the pro harris outlets in the run up to jump to victory,

joe wrote contained there is only one man. i hope that you can trust when it comes to journalism in the usa. joining me again from new jersey is recognized as math. how you'd be running, sco informed, a contributing editor and author of new york times bestseller is hate in the divide and insane found president. mad, thanks for coming back on the show. i didn't know what that last spoken same phone president. i didn't know about who that referred to, obviously, before we get to your reaction to the victory. as i said, rogan credited with helping. trump said you're the only person. well, he said, he says you're the only person the address um. he said to have a stop the lead on musk uh your, your, the go to guy must talk a call soon. these adult trump cabinet materials, maybe by the time this is broadcast to some cabinet members of the scary, a ones we'll talk about the hate that will be announced. have you had a cold? have you had a goal yet? as of oh no,

nobody in their right mind would think about me some working in government along that would never ever be possible. um the ideal press secretary mouthpiece, which i'm shirley to answer questions to the legacy media. um, i don't think i don't think i would enjoy that even in the best of circumstances although, you know, look there, there is a tradition of journalists doing that. but um i, i, i could never go over to the other side as the gate. i can't see it a baby baby if it's piece, but more seriously. amazing. the aspect of this election was that anyone who to the media mess mainstream. so cold media controlled the minds of americans. that money was the big decide their own elections, that the intelligence agencies control, the american, the electoral process now doesn't have any power. it turns out the people they want to, they, they want it, harris and the american people were the trump

a boy. i think they try their hardest to influence the selection. i mean, we had incredible endorsements. there's this organization called national security leaders for america, which is a, put out a, a statement with $1043.00 a, you know, national security officials, including a long list of a former cabinet members general's admiral server. 200 of the latter. and look, it didn't have any effect and the media is constant. propagandizing not just in the cycle, but over the last 8 years. i think it's very important to point out that it had negative influence on the population. the americans have been told for 8 years that donald trump is a racist and you know, a fascist dictator and waiting, and yet he gained significantly with blacks and hispanic voters the day with

independence. and so clearly it's not just not listening to the authorities, it's actively defying what they're saying, which is incredible. we don't know how your twitter files may have attenuated some of the shadow banding and sensitive on other platforms. but do you think it's clear that the trump administration will well trump administrations justice department? we'll have to bring zach a bug, send our rep to drive google youtube to some kind of justice for monopoly censorship for reasons it's clear they are shadow banding people and restricting free speech in the united states. you know, i, i, i hope so. i hope there's at least an investigation. um you know that somebody like jim jordan is, is allowed to jim jordan representative for ohio and yes. in the house. uh yes,

but, but um, but you know, there's the worries that i have and this is something that i said from the start about these tools that we discovered and the toner files is that they can be misused by anyone. and the, the sort of history of this new movement towards was like europe's digital services act or the online safety act. a new k is that they're designed to that who, whoever is in power can use them. and there's going to be an enormous temptation for anybody who sits in that chair to start to toggle things up and down in a certain way. and so i do hope the trump administration resist that temptation. so we don't know that it does sound bad, optimistic, and you know the deal unless because it close the advisor to trump. and so for here we go one way you'd be over the moon about this. well, i mean, you want suppressing my account. so, i mean, this is not exactly someone who is

a police or repair that relationship, because yeah, i can see a startled expression with joe rogan when rogue, i mean rogan literally singled you out, and as know that trump is single, that rogan as being a really important factor in this wind for setting demographic to yeah, i mean look, he wants a complicated character, but they're all complicated characters and they're all subject to all kinds of pressures. and we don't know exactly what they're being told behind the scenes and what kind of um, you know, sort of deals are being brought to them by the security agencies, by advertisers who are threatening to boycott. we don't know the, the entire story. i do think that the trump administration or, or the donald trump and people like 80 vance, they've at least brought the censorship issue out into the open and said they're opposed to it. which site is a huge start. and you one most good somebody who just just by doing the twitter

files to this amazing public service by exposing the whole thing to, to the public. so yeah, i'm not on optimistic. i just would like to point out that there is, there are temptations for any politician here. yeah, you mentioned my data terry and country britain, which has the gross a censorship and no free speech and so on. i mean, trump immediately reacted to, uh, we had your colleague full factor on the show, the other week, immediately we had to disagree as time is labeled by the interference. attempted interference in the selections to yeah, i mean i, i hope he doesn't. my, my, my instinct is that donald trump does not like these types of laws. he hasn't said a whole lot about them. there were some communications in the twitter files where he complained about certain posts and kind of sorta asked that they be taken down,

but they were few and far between compared to the enormous quantities that were coming from the other side. and so yeah, i'm optimistic, i think, you know, absent a trump victory, we were looking almost certainly at the united states, adopting something like the dsa or the online safety act in the very near future. i think that was coming up because in, in, in, in part because of the argument that the failure to regulate social media led to trump selection or worked or to something or to trumps come back, at least. so had he not one, i think we would, we would have seen some kind of cracked down pretty quickly and that would have been the end of the day. we to maybe yes, me and then probably a whole bunch of other folks. and then we already have de facto censorship in this country. it's telling me informal way instead of a formal way as it is in,

in europe. um, but, you know, i think if, if uh, if there been a close contested situation. if there had been demonstrations were, you know, there are people out in the streets and, you know, the, they were telling us ahead of time that they were concerned about the possibility of misinformation inspired violence. so if there been anything like that they would have, they would have clamped down and i know they have legislation in place for for adventure . i always like that. so rumble would have been attacked, which the show goes out on. i should add a free speech really important when it came to persuading publics in europe, which as you say, they've got these low as all from a to tell it area and isn't already a very important though to get support for zalinski to outlaw the would not see in british media and united states media,

do you think zalinski will face noriega is right, so that was saying straight the face of the, those who are the united states, a suppor to band elections and all position bodies, all the rest of it. and then our turn to the scrappy history, it's possible, you know, trump, trump did approve some funding for ukraine in the past, but he is off. he has run as somebody who's against a prolonged war. and i think his supporters would be incredibly disappointed if there was not a swift negotiated end of the conflict in ukraine. it's part of his political identity that he's against the so called forever wars. it's not clear to me that his record matches up with that exactly. but he's at least ran on that. and i know from covering his campaign in 2016, that this was incredibly important to building up his support with kind of working class america. where if you go around to read states and you see so many people who

came back from americas adventures in nor misadventures, and in afghanistan and iraq. and there was so angry about so many things. and that was a huge factor and electing trump the 1st time. and i'm sure this time as well. when we get rid of the phase middle class, which is the one, the democrats always love to use and start using the phrase working class in the united states. again, firmly and properly because i mean, clearly the media had no idea who is going to win the section, nor did the post as well. people start to understand that the working class is alive and well, or at least they would dying and were i'm home. before they vote at this time, right? of the middle classes in tremendous trouble and has been since 2008 and their faith after 2008 we, we instituted bailouts that were openly unfair. right. they were, they rescued the people who are responsible for, for the crash, and they left all,

you know, people in the sort of middle class or lower middle class suburbs and rural america to be hit by mass foreclosures. they lost their life savings if they were invested in mortgage mortgage backed securities, which a lot of pensions pension funds were. and so there was an incredible well spring of anger towards the upper class or managerial sector of america. and what was worse was that when trump that elected those same people began to use projective terms to describe those people. then we stopped using working class as something that was a good term and sunday. and they started using white working class, which became synonymous with racist. and, you know, i hope this stuff is, is over because we just went through a period of 8 years of essentially kind of neural panic where everything was distorted. and i hope we can go back to just describing things as they are and

talking to each other as normal americans. again, matt diaby, i'll stop you. the more from the old reading, john, this involved a really strong contributing editor after this break the, the force of your wife. lots of stuff is a way out of the key at the fortune of us and that suddenness fortune,

she goes unable to review the story and boy say, nate or studio i see for sure option that this be so for ship though, for starter home, the critics will go straight and you won't have to wait the boys to a school in your welski territory. so this could save the natural logos of it. so when we ship portion was there for you to talk about a football. i still knew about chavo in gold and on my side as close i, you was a category story board. i was that ocean and continued to go out and died at bowie . now probably not sure, the south piece of stone could see about spilt on soccer in the south pole. so comfortable. people are bruised and just got a smith gasket, bluish boys coming out on the bus, which is still going to me. so i'm on the publishing. i'm kind of, i just the writing in go use the i'll go back to normal. yeah. i get to talk about it. there's dorski a whole bunch. but wanted to circle comfortable the some about on there.

not. i mean, yeah, the best up i do have tough. com, similar to stuff, some of the the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with the award winning journalist and pulling that rolling stone contributing editor matt daisy, matt. we told him at the working class because the, the issue, the single issue that this region where i'm speaking to you from is the guy's a genocide. and obviously that influenced the votes in michigan. but what do you think is the significance of the $100000000.00 from miriam adults into the trump campaign? i mean, is that the $2000000.00 mostly women and children. question when it comes to gaza? what, what is the impact of that donation? to me, i don't know, i mean, i'm not sure that as you mentioned at the top,

this was a kind of paradigm shattering election in many, many ways. money didn't matter as much as it has in other elections. in our past, trump was massively out raised by the harris campaign and it didn't appear um that uh, you know, that is anyone donation, whether it was from a law center mosque turn the tide. i think it was much more the pastor of traditional media and the response of institutional americans that people are voting against. um, so i'm not sure there. yeah. and so the, he's one, the house and the senate and it's his last term. so perhaps he doesn't o people like a president normally always people, but then we wouldn't even know about some of the atrocities happening in gaza without ironically, netanyahu's friend is the most because he freed up. but x. what now for um,

i think the great british politician george galloway called it mostly a media. what is it going to happen to all of that? will they just be able to diag gracefully, or will there be some sort of uh, attempt to add trump administration to regulate monopoly media. but actually people aren't that interested in any more. but maybe maybe go back to fcc regulations that were there before clinton destroyed all your local journalism that used to prosper across the united states as well. i think, you know, when trump got elected he, there was this incredible moment where he, he thanked a long list of pod cas that had been instrumental in spreading his campaign message . and that was a really amazing moment because it, it spoke to the almost total evidence of the so called traditional media in this country. they were really not a factor. if trump tries to crack down in any way on cbs or, you know,

get their license yang because of the shenanigans with some of the editing and in the come all hours interview. i think you'd be making a mistake because legacy media in america is basically that we saw after this election, but they were unable to process the fact that so much of this country was voting against them that they had lost trust in them. there was an incredible thing that happened were uh, you know, abc is jimmy kimball, a comedian, rolled his eyes and told the joke about how ridiculous it was that there was somebody who voted for trump because tom alara's wouldn't do an interview with joe rogan know joe rogan, his audiences roughly $25.00 times bigger than the biggest cable audience in america. and for a presidential candidate to assume that interview is basically telling people that they don't want those votes. and so that wasn't silly at all. that wasn't

a trifle at all, but the people in the press seems that these people are 2nd rate. and the reality is that the audience figure shows that nobody really watches the many more than they don't really have an influence. so better just to ignore them. yeah, and the celebrities didn't work or either of course, we all remember how trump enlarge the swamp, and he didn't drain the swamp. and the 1st time i know the bone pay always being spoken of. how does a pen to can pick, which would surely show he's a game helping this one, but, but to do you think they will be more revenged this time? i mean, his support is used to john block them up about hillary and clearly crimes were committed by the biden administration. the biden harris administration and previous administrations. is he going to open up all the books and start to get these people for all live what they did to him when he was out of office? because many people thought they would go to jail of a higher said one. well you,

you mentioned interviewing paul sacker, we did a story about the center for counter and digital hate. and i heard from the trump campaign who told me that in no uncertain in certain terms that they were going to be investigated. i think the term was to the hilt, and that was just for starters, they, they intend to do a whole mess of investigations into the censorship complex into the intelligence world. and i think they're serious about this. and they, they know that their voters want mass firings of people from those bureaucracies. they're tired of paying taxes to support these gigantic bureaucracies that consider large parts of the country to be tantamount to domestic terrorist entities. and i think it would be a political mistake if they didn't follow through and those promises because that

was central to his campaign. because then when, as what, what threats will be against even a politician. so elected by the popular will vote if he starts release, i mean he got released the epstein files clearly because he presented we being had some. yeah, he can release the j f k files, maybe files into the ukraine, more maybe files into all these things that were going on on the harris by the ministration. i think it would be a tremendous opportunity for them. it's been suggested on twitter that there be like a government version of the twitter files and some of his wealthy backers immediately jumped on the idea as a good one. so it would be great if that happened. yeah, i can't imagine that the logistics of that would be easy because they would have to be, is a considerable amount of sorting before you let us know. you can just do what do you want it and just let a whole team of journalists run a rep, rummage around and,

and all the files. but it would be great if they opened up everything from the jack is assassination. to you know, the rationale for going to a rack for entering the ask in more for, you know, the reason for, for staying in afghanistan for cultured. i mean, there's a 1000000 things with the public has very legitimate questions about and it wouldn't be wise for trump to open up some of that information. and yet, bump a was at the rallies towards the end of his campaign, who had coordinated assassination attempts against julia. massage of wiki leaks because you're talking in a sense of like a government regallix a. yes. and then trump had an opportunity to pardon assange and did not. i, i, i know that he was lobbied very hard, but by some people close to him, to actually go through with that part and then he didn't. so, you know, trump is

a complicated figure. i think this is something that people understand about him. they think of him either as the simpleton or this impulsive character, who just kind of goes where his emotions lead him in the moment. but he's actually thinking quite a lot about alliances and who he can afford to make angry and who he wants to keep close. and he's never gone all the way in terms of kicking the national security folks, you know, out the door. he's done some things that were really, really interesting likes, you know, for going the, the, the daily briefing by the c a and all those folks which is long overdue. but, you know, we'll have to see the, his voters definitely want him to take a bigger bite this time and i think for his own self preservation, he's now aware that they want him gone. so i think it will be a harsher confrontation. so kind of return to the image that some have of him is

a real estate developer. and with roy coe and the new celebrated movie, the print is showing is mentorship of trump that he will actually go for them this time and doesn't have to have to can because what's, what's it going to lose him if he, i mean, unless they, caleb, i mean are if k junior's already being on doing the media around saying he's going to does all whole departments of the food and drug administration and effects a big pharma. and we know the power, big farm. i mean, the story is a big farmer whistle blows and horribly dangerous circumstances. the 1970s, it is a violence. but what's, what's so fascinating about this moment is that trump got in largely, i mean, his entire power base is not. you know, it has nothing to do with corporate money. it doesn't have to do with institutional america. it's not even really based on things like twitter, x, he just has massive numbers of people who voted for him and he doesn't owe anybody

anything. and he can afford to do almost anything in terms of upsetting traditional constituencies and he would be shared for it. so it's a unique circumstance. no, no president has ever gotten to the, the white house and not old quite a lot. this time we'll have to see. but he has opportunities here. and i, and i know from talking to people in this campaign that they're much more cognizant this time of the dangers that surround them from, for instance, to the justice department, the f b i n c i a. so we'll see, the larry think of black rock said, you know, the election didn't matter at all. but anyway, it doesn't matter. so you do the big difference. this is this election really, really did matter when it comes to something different in the united states, especially for the working classes clearly because it's make or break from any of

them as well. it may, it may not matter economically. i mean, he's got to figure out some way to, to stop the bleeding for people who are at the, you know, not in the, in the top 10 percent of the income curve because there's just a tremendous amount of suffering there. i mean, we, and we have these situations where private equity firms are buying up everything from starter homes, to you know, ophthalmology practices, to, to know what they call the, you know, the trades. right. so even plumbers are now owned by wall street, and they're, the american dream is dying quickly because nobody is able to make enough money to get their little piece of pie anymore. and he's got to find a way to reverse that. or else none of this is going to matter, but i do think culturally the election is already a massive turning point in american history. because it's a, it's, it's essentially exposed the entire cultural framework of the country

as, as having no influence. and having been lost to its own audience and that's not something we haven't seen before in this country it's. it's fascinating. and just finally, i feel like i'm asking this question and every single interview at the moment of all, i guess will, will they try and kill him? what was he? i drive and kill him in the 2 months before january 20th. a split this way i, i will not be surprised if there are more assassination attempts because there's no evidence that this, that anybody inside the government had anything to do with the prior attempts. nothing. that's terribly concrete, but everything is on the table now. i mean, this is, this is maybe the, the end of everything for nato, for the intelligence services. i mean, there's

a lot in the line here. so nothing would surprise me. let's put that in for an intelligence agencies m, i 6, what happens to them? i mean, already people who think intelligent services in europe are devastated. i mean, it's kind of, it has a some, it's funny. you're going to end with it because they're supposed to know what's going on and clearly have no finger on the pulse of the late american capitalism in the united states, as to why americans would vote for trump by the could the united states join bring that tell you something know that it does not tell you that the, that these agencies that we, we fund so heavily. i can't even answer the most basic questions about their own populations that they don't understand any. they don't understand things the, you know, the, the average barber and a small town in america gets without any funding. you know, these people are so locked up in their own hermetically sealed bubble of stupidity

that they, they can't see um, you know, beyond their own prejudices. and so that makes them dangerous and useless and expensive. so yeah it's, it's so ironic, but it worries me too because, you know, there are continued bureaucratic existences that stick that diety. thank you, that thanks very much. and that's it for the show of continued condolences to those surviving the u. k. u s. u, i'm holocaust here in this region will be back with a brand new episode inside the angel. then keep in touch with my, with my social media, if it's not sensitive, we'll country and job title going under warranty. if you are able to come to us and you know that it's under going under grantees have the, the,

there's no end in sight over how you're going to continue to destroy the, or is the case for the med, most of the people. i tried to go to the gym, but i'm certainly not ready to fight russia. this is also absurd. this is the 3rd world lunacy re washington. as for so the funder line likes to say, we have the tools while we just start with stability and business deals. what are you living online? we have very close propaganda. you know, a price here in new york. i think we don't know the aftermath any time that you're not allowed to ask questions, you should ask all of the questions. the more questions ask a better. the answer is will be the one i see. this is, i mean the math, the world bank, the federal reserve, the dollar itself, the swift painting system. all this has become a set of full, a geo political instruments that the west uses routinely and aggressively. and.