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else of level non threatening the shaky ceasefire deal signed in november. the idea in says it was only targeting has the military sites. this comes as washington vows to guarantee the, as rarely, military is complete, withdrawal from lebanon by january 26th. that date corresponds to a truce condition, which gave the idea of 60 days to pull out of the country. well, despite the fragile piece, lebanon remains under heavy strain. the un estimates of the country has accepted thousands of refugees from neighboring syria since tara scripts toppled the assad government in december are 2 correspondence div sweeney met with some of those who were displaced by then. now, under ahmed, all sure oz regime, the old gilani regime, not ahmed ocher off, but all gilani whose hands are drenched in blood. he continues to kill based on identity, the media and reality. behind the scenes are completely different. behind the scenes there is slaughter killing and every type of crime imaginable. this happens
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across all sex sunni, shia and christian. so we fled to 11 on. there are no more than a 150000 refugees who came to live in on. and then with the larger team in 2 days after the full i left with my family, the road was completely unsafe. the question posed directly was know, what is your effect to all you know, because if you belong to a sex that oppose them, it meant deaf slow to enslavement. and if you were aligned with them, they treated you as they, she meaning in the well known to isis like in their behavior and actions. most of those on the road, asking questions. we don't even syrian that they were not the so called administrators. they would chechens that f guns or others, they in slave women and subject them into humiliation. labeling them as members of certain facts. they did. mom's young men behave like dogs, donkeys, all pigs and other things you need. you are not muslims, not human. so you have no dignity or humanity is never done. i mean, i'm going to shop, you know, what's happening in syria right now is chaos. we want safety and security for our
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people. nothing more. we are one people, one family, no more, but we've been at war for 14 years. and ever since we are exhausted on a ship. other stay with us here on our to international up next on cross talk, peter levelland, his guests discussed the new imperialism of incoming president. donald trump, the of the welcome across the bull horns. were all things are considered on peter lavelle who would have thought greenwood would be close to the top of the drum foreign policy agenda? summer, calling it the new imperialism with a copy of this includes looting america's allies. also,
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what is behind you on must war on europe? to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guest, george w. l. e. in budapest, he's a pod cast or, and the guy goal, which we found on youtube and locals and assemble. we have that a serial, a model excuse in story and, and political commentator by gentlemen cross that grows in effect that means can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciated, right, let's kick this off with george george. i mean, considering all the things we've heard from the truck like incoming trump administration, particularly greenland, and that's kind of a rubric for a much more boisterous, a anomalous approach to foreign policy that we've seen. particularly since the new polar moment. i guess you could argue that there is no real differences this way. it's being framed right now, but you know, it, it, it does kind of harking back to great power politics, which critics of the bike administration to say, where's all the real is and we need more real is an american foreign policy. well, this is part of realism. you may not like it, but it is kind of
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a return to that george. i agree and style it, and i think of the consequences will probably be um, noteworthy. i'm a trump has always had a sudden hankering for great power politics. i think he is, he has looked for as a model, as it was, the 19th century, imperialism, image great powers, acquire new territory, acquire a new spheres of influence, that they regard subordinate powers as you're required to follow the lead of the great powers. and essentially, this means that it's the national interest, prevail? well, the, we will try that model and the, you know, it's been, it has been the dominant models since the world war 2. but particularly so since the end of the cold war, which is these, the system of global alliances with global alliance is driven by the logical dig
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fast. so suddenly we have this a little bit late with coldwell and bottle was we're going to fight this the spread of communism and everybody, all the countries of the world have to be school, the shelves into this some alliance irrespective what it, what their interest because they need to be in waging this more games, communism since the end of the call. well, it's been about the values. it's been about the democracy's versus the all for a terry and regimes. and what that means is that the countries live off on the outside or permanently, for instance. i mean it's, it's, it comes with it because this is the logical alliance. being a, being a lead by the united states is a problem. and then threats. and of course, it's a very real spread because it's in the name of this, these principles of freedom and democracy and united states lead alliance wages, sanctions wages, uh, when your actual actual was bombing color revolutions,
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a terrorist actions all in the name of the democracy, subtract is certainly not going back to an old uh model. hey, we are a grape out. we have a real interest. we're going to pursue our interest. but the girl already of that is that we recognize all the great 1000 we recognize their interest. and we don't want to mess with that, but with that those, you know what, what matters do all the great pals. that's what matters is going to be the little it doesn't the fixed cost. so i think this, it may be, it will end up in exactly the same part, but uh at the moment that he needs it very much, a different emphasis on the part of trump in the, the, in the, in the, in the, the nitty gritty isn't the detail studied because it hits greenland, it's canada, it's the panama, and i mean these are not enemies of the united states. okay. there's no audiological spin. there obviously is. george's pointed out here. so, i mean, if,
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you know, you look at countries like russia, china, india, because of their strength and relative strength of the world. so you can't, you can't lose the, they're, they're kind of, you know, you missed out on that. okay. you didn't dismember russia for, for the uh, for looting. um, so if you can't loot of the other great powers and is george rightly points out, it means that you recognize them is great powers that's cut best progress. let's progress in my book. okay. but if you're, if you're not a great power and you're in the spirit, the american spirit influence, well, like i said in a program last week, if you're not sitting at the table, that means you're on the menu. the leak. that's i think you're right about that um item, but i'd add one thing as of the 4, which is that via thing about the united states is that even when it pretends to follow an ideological russian, all right. it's still also is doing geo politics. all the time of available to kind,
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but i agree with george to some sort of difference as might be occurring something important. and like, you know, that you have last about what happens to the smaller power slide uniform peters. if i understand you correctly, of that, at least the, recognizing that more or less eclipse, they also have a policy and that, and it says, could have a stabilizing effect. right? sure, if, for instance, the united states had recognized russia as a full great power of its own national security interest in 2021. maybe they would not have seen the escalation of new crane law. right. but that's a very concrete thing that i think this to that would be a plus, but here is a problem. i see, and i would leave it at that for now, which is the, the issue with the united states for i think more than a 100 to us as being the way they define the sphere of influence. and that's a separate issue. there might that states as a state, and i think it's the only one on the planet. i'm sure it's the only one that
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defines the climate as it's fear of influence, right? so to get a system, the national break powers of national interest sort of respect each other, right? you get a month to pull up balance, you would have the united states would have to learn to think of its feel of influence as not to drop. that is one thing, right? they would have to think, ok, china has some asians fields in phones. russia has been your pre income asians feel, for instance, somewhere. and we have, well, it would be once again, the monroe doctrine, right. they have lived in america, maybe they have going on to buy, not the don't think that's all business. what happens in australia, for example, right. and that would have to happen. so united states would have to turn itself into a regional hedge and on then not that right now. the united states is trying to be a little bit of heads him on. and if it combines that with a new ultimate search even more to it. so there's no national interest of the info
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pay bed right there. yeah. yeah. and it's, it's early days tier. i mean, yeah, i mean this whole thing about greenland and canada in panama. me a can also just be a bread and circus as a ploy for the for the mag and base. okay. so you and i have talked to a great lengthening. geo politics is in play when it comes to a manual extraction. that's very much part of has been today's world here. but, you know, in george, i mean, what we've been hearing about the rules base order and all those countries, particularly when we think about ukraine, all those countries that sent their military equipment to ukraine. okay. and now you've heard of united says, but i think we're going to, you know, thank you very much where we're going to take greenland. i mean, all these countries they believed in the rules based order as the american sphere of influence allowed this left to go there. american allies that are left to naked in defense. listen mean they, there's nothing they can do about it. and we'll talk about the fact was leadership
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of europe in the 2nd half of the program. but i mean, if the american center, oh, i said not disarmed themselves in front of brush or a china, but they've disarmed themselves in front of the united states. the less, right, i mean, and what, what does happen here is that these allies have indeed abjectly follow. this a, in the united states orders and hope to see you, this a, a wall that had nothing to do with their own national interest. and of course, they should always have known that at some point the united states is going to raise all kinds of issues about it and relating to their own national interest. and so what the, what the united states has done now, it's saying, well, you know, we have these global alliances. well, that's very nice. but what do we get out of these a global alliances? we are, you know, people are in coverage. we don't live as well as the europeans, and why do we live as well as the europeans? why? because we spend so much money on the system of alliances. and so we go say, well,
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you know, you're going to have to spend a lot more money on your own, this alliance, and you're still in place. you're going to have to stop doing all of these things that are harming our industry. is, you know, we just, the george, this is, this is not a request business or if it's not a request. so they don't that they are going to denmark and saying, well, you know, we'd, we'd like greenland and not them. i would say we have a, you know, basically you can have it as an america sable we wanted. so we're going to have it because we, we run this alliance. and, you know, we think that this is vital to our national interest on the is vital to us security . and therefore, what slides into our security is, you of admitted yourselves, is vital to your secure, just so we just got to take and, and what that means. and that's not even that much of an argument that they can put up against the authority does. this is the argument that we're all equals as democracy, but when it comes to your political interest or our interest will always trump
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yours because we weren't you. okay. i mean, you use the thing you already mentioned. you know, you can have this ideological and driven alliance and then you come to your politics. the united states will probably want both at the same time, which of course, the short changing your allies because, but i, but i thought we were all these holes in this the lines. well no, it's not true with never has been true take, you know, i mean one other way you could look at it is that what do you opinions have done, right? especially after the cold war ended off to the late 19 eighties. and that's a long time, they've had a long time to think about this and it didn't. the big mistake, one big mistake you paints have made if they have disregard the fundamental buffer you list your politics, which is, don't think so much about other states intentions or what they say about the intentions. think about the cap a billy piece. and it is, they had looked at the u. s. in terms of capabilities and at russia in terms of
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capabilities. the motive understood immediately that the biggest threat is obviously the us because i'm much more dependent on it in every way. and it has over 50 large military, right. and he went to a, to me just give a, an example of those capabilities, the destruction of the north stream pipeline. a brilliant stance, the capability of conducting all sorts of black ops is very much something that is move in the american optima, right? so if they are only extra to due diligence, right? instead of just listening to narratives, narratives, narratives, and talking to talk, there's what seems united states is in, haven't the extremely dangerous state is made. now say o be on your side as long as you will pay us and do what we want. but what if that changes? it's one date and you'll politics. do you politics since the end of the cold war
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shows that they've never considered this problem and now they've caught out, but yeah, been, i mean, george, with a country like denmark insights, but we've done everything. you said, you know, we join the european union, we join nato, we sent a couple of you halls full of 19 forties, vintage weapons to ukraine. we did everything we could, but that's a good enough basic george. no, it's not good enough that the precisely because the united states and then the claps. well, yeah, but you know, we have really a vital national interest and of, you know, you already accepted that you are a complete a subordinate to us and therefore you are, you're gonna have to do okay. well, we say on a note of subordination, i'm going to jump in here gentlemen, we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion about some real new. stay with our team. the
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show seemed rom, just don't have to shape house to come after kids and engagement because the trails when so many find themselves worlds of parts, we choose to look for common ground the the welcome back to the cost of bull arms were all things are considered on peter little bill. alright, tell eclipse. switch gears you. you wrote in a remarkable and wallet article, but i don't always like long ones, but i liked this one because it was a kept harping a way it what i believe. and this is one of these by one time in the article as mosque is demolishing western new leads. they, um,
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they brought it upon themselves. it's an excellent piece. i suggest all of our viewers take a look at it. it's of the r t website. i think what do they deserve it, and why is the learn must doing this to let me start the 1st question. vitals they deserve it because i don't know why exactly is doing it. i haven't guess. so why do they deserve it? i do know that been cause precisely what we've been talking about. the 1st of all the show they have themselves immediate at themselves, didn't you? did it themselves of power the new to themselves of leverage. and they have also, based in the way that has cost them all respect and fumbled reasons. if you look at the german case, we've talked about it before, but it is such a striking example. if somebody blows up your vital info, start to and you just smite, you are done. that's no respect left for you. you look at britain and of course of what they call the special relationship, which is basically again,
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relentless submission to the eval. america was from the bid, broadly prosecuting julia massage for years and making basic things really to been the only the system in the public eye. in the process or math, so to be participating in the gaza genocide. so you have all of these powers in europe, then it has been bang for american attention support and has accepted all sorts of american. i'll return as and you mediation. and now the big american, all the guard, the biggest and the would actually was so has not only the deal president, trump was sort of the unofficial vice president and more right. and he is starting to let them feed it. so i don't agree with everything must fest not at all or right fact to me, but the underline frank, but he's just illustrating to them, but they've done to themselves. that is just the reality right now. why is he doing
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that? i don't know, but at times i think i haven't given them enough credit as it were for is own ideological drive. but i'm coming to stand up must actually has a fairly consistent and fairly important ideology to what he does. right. and it's natural to do that. i don't see it at all, but i think he acts out of the number of convictions as a right mistake. this guy that competes on spot, that is. yeah, well also, and there's always that element of self interest, which we always have to be very careful about. he didn't get rich, he didn't have his path to his richard richard who have gone through state contracts in many cases. okay. i, you know, i think he's a genius, a great person of his time, but he had a lot of help to george and i think is absolutely right. if you have no read self respect, why should you expect people to anyone do respect?
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you know that that's right, but the, the attack on mosque as a reach the levels of his syria in your up and there you have to think that it is his etiology. i mean, this is the 1st time in a long time in which a, a billionaire of the, you know, an influential now publisher doesn't subscribe to the kind of fashionable liberally just the global as the victim. you know, he's not a george soros, he's not a bill gates, he's those guys to a very different um, a logical world view living. this is the, the trump in view of this is the or button view. and this goes absolutely outrage on, on the boss of the people who being run the u. s. o, this thinking the whole sorts of ways of we'd have to do something about him, you know, and so feed them whether it's of my crown or whether it shows or there's a who's off on the line or what she's sick. now, you know,
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whoever is in charge of the european commission, we have to do something about him. and then you only media, you know, right? the music long think pieces of us at the t poses to, uh, to freedom and democracy. but it was uh, 1st thing in the argument against him was the, oh my god, he is allowed um, hate and hate speech and discrimination and anti semitism of racism to thrive on uh on twitter or x. even though they never really presented any evidence of it. was any, arise in all of these things? now some of the arguments has changed. so he's, he's using a twitter access on very nefarious way, which we don't know. he's switched to change the algorithms even though they have no idea what algorithm is. this is switched it in order to promote his own brand. he's up to promote his own twigs. what a bully is done. he is allowed free speech. he is with them free speech. that's why
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. so that's what he, that he, you know, he said it was, i mean it's not the effect on these obviously there, there was some of the restrictions on speech this, but it's, it's a huge improvement on what all the time when twits a really was censoring, want to switch a really it was just input removing, you know, content that they just didn't agree with. so it's entirely a positive. he's agree, advanced the cause of free speech is getting attacked for it. and frankly, serious actually hit the reaction the hypocrisy. i mean, politicians are fair game for criticism. ok, i don't understand the, um, bridge that is coming out of europe being these are very beta type people here. but i mean, we have it, you know, the term isn't used very often, but mean we have forced resume, change going on and gaza using genocide of the west is behind the dissolution of the syrian state. um, um the, the my dawn of february 2014 force museum change or i'm telling him of meddling
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western meddling all around the world. but when he won most great se, oh he's, he's hurting my feelings. in an interview with a, with a up, this is hardy, in germany, everyone thinks the sky is falling. i mean, again, why would you respect people that have such a thin skin? and the only thing they can cling to is an ideology explain their, their electrons are rejecting left, right and center at 8. 0, i think that's why the odds to hyper sensitive because their position but in the on societies has become so weak, right? the, the way in which mosque has supported the of the party in germany assessing ex, simplicity of this phenomenon. yeah, i see is fairly strong. right? it has since 1820 percent of the pods. and the whole strategy of the establishment party substance additional part is, is to freeze. it would never be less frightened. jeremy use new bits coalitions and
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this thing never, never coolers moved. these guys and mosque is disturbing that strategy. and they're so afraid of him because he could perhaps push the off into a place where that doesn't work anymore. and why is that? so not automatically because of must. but because people, as you say, also in committed the dissatisfied politics as usual. now personally, i would like to see bargain smashed to profit from that. i'm not the, i've paid the cost of my old let the, but that isn't the issue here. that's the things what you're saying and, and you know, a, your political opinions are your own and i respected. but given your position, we would have a little bit more competition. all right, good. that no, that's the whole lot of these people just because i don't want to have competition . as of course, i have consistently argued and several pieces of freedom that ideas to prohibit the if they are completely misguided, you know,
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because that's not f o the sooner. definitely not. so i agree, we just need much more competition and, but you see, and your business attempt at capitalization and to send it to, or you can call extremely centers and want versus the liberal, essentially as a really right. and the consider everything modeling the steps that and everything that they themselves to somewhere else, or even among themselves, to disrupt electronics or disturb outcomes, political outcomes, that's not modeling, that's ok. see georgia, c, romania, or c. jeffery bird to force us basically said, you know what? we did it in romania if you have to redo it in germany too. right? so they have absolutely no respect for the was themselves. they have no respect for the wholesome says, and then they have nothing to stand on fighting back against. musk sold, bought it from us because matt doing so are you and you already corrupting the
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political system, visual concept menu probations, so stuffed. well, i mean, george, you know, you, you, you had the, the labor party meddling in the american election. i mean, they, the, you know, that he, we went, we talked about that in great length there, but that's okay. right? i mean, again, you know, they're like, good terrorist and bad terraces, good meddling. there's bad meddling. this is like law favor against trump. i don't understand what you're talking about. what do you mean a good terrorist or a bad terrorists? don't have this. they, i mean, it gets to the point where they just go into the realm of just the logic and they want to pay wise, any kind of conversation because we're more virtuous than you are. and that's why they have no case at all. after decades of a lead, a recruitment to really take over by the united states of europe. this is what you get the it is what you get. and of course this is what george sar austin,
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bill gays i've been doing for years. i mean, in terms of meddling, i mean, we know source engaged, they from newspapers, they found the own media outlets. they found things tags. they found in g o's. it's been probably to and must test twitter. ok exactly, and that's it. that goes over there for years. and years in this web of, uh, you know, these are, these are operations and they have been used precisely full on, you know, the color revolutions unions as a to read, mentioned, you know, romania and hungry everywhere else. well, and no one ever said anything about the mosque, right? and that's what we have. and most incidentally, is upfront about it. i mean, he has a, you know, he has his views, he's very outspoken. so he doesn't know actually act somewhere in the background, give a surreptitious is a no one really even those i mean, you always have to point out how pervasive george soros has influence is of the list all the different organizations that he has created and that he is bank roll
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them all the influence they have? and of course, the moment you do that outcomes to scream, you know, being on to somebody take, that's a conspiracy theory. but with mosque at least you've gone to got them smears if they're there he is. he just expresses these views and then he moves onto another topic. i mean, it's like, you know, one minute it was built in by the h one, b visas, getting very agitated valdez. then he's moved on to the issue of the grooming games in the u. k. very i to about that now he's moved onto the font, the l a. fires you somebody was just, you know, he has strong views, uses this back into an advocate. what can i really hate him for? i mean, there's a lot of policy differences. we go now obviously don't have time for that, but any, any, what they hate them for is that he's a free agent. and neo liberalism, no individual has that except for he loves musk for some reason in the he's such an anomaly and he came up through a system that suppressed opinions wanted a unit, a uniform belief,
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