and expanding, so that's what we're going into the parliament with. that means that this is the biggest effort to reduce spending in 25 years. little by the way, all the purely financial aid that the u. s. given ukraine right now, comes from interest stolen off of russian assets held in the west. and now there's even talk that they want to straight up steel those assets entirely. so apparently russia can technically fund the both sides of this conflict, but the west can't even fund their own side. meanwhile, trump who set to crash land back into the oval office next week is making it sound like washington is being super generous and not at all spending the over whelming majority of its funding for ukraine on building us weapons right at home. europe is spending a tiny fraction of what we're spending and the european nations as a combination. they should be paying the same because, you know, their economy is approximately the same size. if you add them all up. plus,

there are a lot more danger than we are, so they're spending, they have a $100000000000.00, probably more than that, less spending on ukraine than we do. they should be spending money. i think it's very unfair to america. it's very unfair to the united states taxpayer. yeah, it's very unfair to us the tax payers, all right, that they're massively subsidizing the us defense industry with zalinski serving as a mascot for the shady cause in the same way that raul and mcdonald reps, american fast food trump. and to share a common view, they see the you print conflict as a useful tool to extract more nero's from the sending wallets of you citizens, funds, ultimately funneled toward the purchase of american weapons as well are to the companies where you can get all the details of all the stories of following these, our thanks for watching and i'll see you again, the

welcome back to sunny south africa. we coming to you once again from the city of gold in johannesburg. my name is tyler item doyle by the deputy president. this time of the african national congress, the oldest liberation movement in our beautiful confidence mister pool must have to the thank you so much for your time. thank you for joining us. thank you very much to, to and help you. yeah, uh, complements list the deputy president, so you just came off from the back of the agency, january 8th statement in cape town of the wasted in cape. and as i've mentioned, this is the oldest liberation, went celebrated a 113 years. this is no small feat the deputy president now talk to us about what do you think the future of the amc is and what are the t tossed that came out from

the january 8th statement of thank you very much to the 1st thing we decided on is that we need to a new the agency and you were to call the president spend time it in by explaining that our plan to a week. and some of our members needs to be trained that. so that's really the 1st task because if we want to be successful, particularly didn't lead didn't task meant then with my 7 and 8 and see that is alive that as well. so are you in the agency is the 1st thing that we're going to do. the 2nd thing is local government. a model for work happens in local government and no way that you talk about energy. what uh, all this things happen at the local government level. so we need to fix local

government, make sure that we have that. i to people, our consul, us must be pride. people properly said we must deal with issues of ethics in local government. but also making sure that the says that people in those know kind of areas that that's why the president decided that on my side of things i should do as deputy president gets to focus on issues. so service been divided and when you do with issues soft says the state of how do you have to deal with local government. so i spend a lot of my time going all over the county meeting with some executive may us the premiums and the consulate us so that we deal with issues that affect people on the drought deals with issues of portfolios. as i said, what the electricity accepts the fed fee,

we decided that we must focus on guess, speeding up the economy goals that you know that the, after close at $9.00 to our economy, it plunged like many in the world. and we have a problem of height, unemployment. so we are now focusing on growth, but we need to to speed up. in fact, our economy has 10 that around the bid with, with the hosting plus the 2 side and the a positive close. but it's not enough that we're actually projecting this about 1.5 percent of coast. we need to to see much because if we add a typo, the high level. so finding pregnant, we need to create jobs defense thing is that you should have cry. eh, if you want to grow the economy, you know, have investor confidence you must,

did with a problem with try and know we have seen in the mining say to, you know, illegal activities that quit taking place. that was that people close to them as i must with dealing with that the expressions we're dealing with that, that all kind of mentality is been tech coat at. the police has a key a plan to do with that because it's important that we make sort of ca, stable, architect to, for investors to come. so dealing with kind is one of how i bought them probably takes that, of course, the other priorities. we want to keep philadelphia ken's as one build one nation. so we will lay type in there that, you know, couldn't feed the national di look at where we're bringing all parties to get to

the civic organization, foundations and political parties and problem in so that we, we can agree on the agenda of nation building that to create one nation went together, so that with both of you got that belongs to all the other probably to of course, is i think, i sense that we need to work with dusting the african continent that particularly to implement the agenda that 2063. but also dealing with conflict cut into the big f lots on behalf of the president inside so done with dates, conflict to, to show that we can resolve that. but we need to also tech a challenges in mozambique. there is challenges in the d r. c. and to ensure that those piece inter continental cause, if one to see development in the clinton meant,

we have to deal with this. that was that, that taking place, the conflict that, that taking place. but also we, i'm looking at the, the home with speaking about the i c, j. it's been a year since the n c lid. government filed a case of genocide against israel. how do you think the developments have been sold a day in terms of the reception from the international community? and when many countries are very positive, eh, you may be aware that the most 10 you states that have come on board to see, you know, that we want to be with you on this case, your ups look good. i've been fed people where i tried to hit at the beginning and they were uploaded so difficult for i haven't taken that to move. and we now see more and more people say, you are like,

we need to and this the general site. well, we, we are going to continue it a spec to it, even though there might be pressure for south africa to pull out from the u. s. as an ally to stop that. but you know, we're not pulling out. remember with our goal or the there was that goodman that the, you know, maybe saw definitely would it be left out to be didn't happen. but i'm in, but the u. s. is one of our biggest trading partners. but it doesn't mean will agree with them on ever to think and they know that the so on the issue of is by of colors time. we don't agree with them. we thing based genocide that must be stopped . as you may know, the i c, c, a should fire in silver based for the is ready, prime minister benjamin netanyahu, former defense minister, you'll have kalonde, and some come off eaters. do you think there is a reality of them actually being detained? do for see that actually taking place 1st to let me say that that this

institutions should be respected. the when the i c. c. to say you have fun dressed. sounds good. i asked that they should be allowed to implement their decisions. i know that the in, in the account please people to assist the but we have signed up for guy will not stand on the way when the i c c has to implement this decision. so we do hope that is that i will, will comply it, but we know, you know, it's difficult. nobody want to know is really give themselves into the address that the at. but it's, it's a decision of those who are part of this conventions. and within that that those decisions must, must be respected. so if the permits is out,

had to come to south africa, you would comply with the white integral wrist. it didn't beat you bet the problem you because there's no way we can protect and that we are part of the convention and we have a suspect because if we don't, if we're going to undermine the data room based on that conference, eh, a lot of relations in the business of the muscles that has spoken about the structure of the un security council saying it does not entirely represent all countries and the taste. they are views in that regard. one reform. so you think can be in active there and to, to q. what role do you think the african union can play while the present this quarter at about the, the center console and this to beautiful particularly with respect to the

participation of africa. eh, we've, we've constituent, the biggest part of the united nation. that's as the continent and by this you look at that, the 2nd thing comes at the moment. i think we have made you think that the countries that then we have the data to the, the task of non payment and then bus. we went to the payment, then men bus as much as the out a. so we want to see that expanded to include mall countries in the continent in the say to, to, to concept. because when we deal with issues of peace and security, we come to spec to the tests, as according to natural until the day. and we must sit around the table eh, not outside,

so that africa has taken over the presidency of the g 20. what do you think will be some of the biggest challenges for a in 2025, this particular block, and at how will these, how and enhance participation by these african countries read the do with these challenges that might be faced was to let me say that the for us in syria, the we have very, we feel very, pretty village this had this opportunity to lead to busy print it at this moment. we are excited about it and we wanted to wed not on the far side of the car bucks off of the we. we are pushing virus from that issue of sonya data to the with accounting trees. and so we've agreed to

that. let's make this g trent a g trinity of the content. not just so the fact that we will make sure that some of its programs and activities eh, eh, here pending in a pulse of all of the equipment, especially subject. but inside of the week, i would also say it, it should not be an activity that happens in july and is back ok, tell me that this activities must take place in the whole of so that's called the 912 inches. whereas mid things of the meanest us will fight and then solve the government now. so since i've been ex, that's the old activities must be spread. and of course, the assignment of federal states will have to get into on the spec because for all of us citizens logistics and so by they bought the thing is sort of the data

t equality, sustainability. and we want to, to use the g 20 as a platform to be able to full costs on the form of some of them out to that try institutions. eh, that's, that's what we're going to do. the month to, that's about institutions, development bands. and so need it by the time we tend over the display. so then, so we, we must say that we have achieved something in the continent where do pen african initiatives that are organized by the african union stand, for example, the payments and settlement system, the african continental free trade area, which the president president sold. i'm a pose, i spoke to and sat today at the january 8 statement. where do you think of the development is directed to and what do you think about the pay suspicion?

he says, so the africa has taken over the presidency of the t $20.00. well defend that we, we wanted to benefit the continent. we are going to bring on board the programs of the african continental free trade area. the to push for the agenda $26.00 to $3.00, to boot the africa we want. so the s suite hit the 2 twins, the continent will be key didn't. what if all we do the programs that we have agreed on in the continent. the going to be the part of why do we do the one region that interpretation and make sure that the, you know, because on the development in the continent becomes

a priority to i spoke about peace initiatives. and that must happen because if we want to develop the african continent, we do need to show that this piece of stability infrastructure that must be a priority to some of the sort of been companies already opened a to the parts of the continental focus on an influx of development so, so the africa we want should not just be a slogan. must be something that gets t in our priority to co groups. the, so the african continental field trip area is going to be given the big probably to it by salt africa. as we lead to the g print, there's been a lot of talk around a bricks car and see of course, present puts and also mentioned the emphasis to continue to develop those national

currencies. but the is talk of cause of the deep dollar isaiah and move, and that has all the see land in the as of those into waste puts it in america. the president licks all they do is who's going to be assuming office in the white house has threatened bricks, members for this. so called the dollar as ation move when narrative, so to speak. what do you mean by, as well as i've had that set on yesterday, we need to engage him on the tariff hikes specific. now, while i'm told that he might come to the g print to submit, so we're looking for an opportunity to engage with him. because what we are doing with the bus isn't even in the south that it's, it should not be a foot eh,

to that all the but this things are best discussed. so we're hoping that the, the president trump will come. and one of the things we would have put on the table if this matter, if it's important that the countess of the, of the files eh, must really be allowed to grow and even be able to stand on their own as much as they can. that would kind of go into you 4 years and yes, i like the west for own development in the soft the so it's important that we engage with them. yes. let's continue path. treat it with that. and then must understand that we want to develop our stuff

that we want to have that freedom to develop. so what would engage with them? it's the rest at the talk. but for now, we come to this point because, you know, he has not to put it on the table and with us it's a comment that sound view it as a threat deputy president. and as a deputy president of an organization that has been appraised when you see a super powers or countries that have be the economies and develop economies through width and africa way as you also have some members of the any see who we spoke to said is actually a mutual beneficial relationship between south africa and the united states. but when you shift the ritz as a liberation movement that has been oppressed, why do you think that signals, not just for south africa, but globally, as well as i said, we will engage him at land. but we,

we can make decisions based on the site until 5 of us. that's not how we must steve. we have priorities, we have plans, and we're going to implement that. we wouldn't engage the u. s. to next, then that was grandson. what trade with them? we're going to do so a lot of our products go to day u. s. they need, then we need them to add. so as in this, a poll just by itself for attending smart that i thought the but we must not be poets. and that the finding a way not doing things that benefit one nation. and then this is that to work with us on the basis of products that we will engage them. and of course, if the implemented death science, we love to find other ways we have to be able to survive because we live on the

basis that we will do. what the west, one way nef. i'm going to develop as independent nations. speaking about mr. donald trump, who's going to be assuming office, what do you think is going to be different from his previous 10 to he's new to him and is the and so you concerned? i mean he's ready. 3, it's that we a sure and so is the in. so you concerned and what do you think will be the difference from the 1st and the 2nd to when you go to quote that in this fest to add it, tom did not cuz then trump did last see affleck as a pilot. uh, we don't know if that would change it if up to us to test the weight seem to understand that we do exist a and we we uh, equity country. clear. yeah. uh. and that same one, c comes yeah. and getting to understand, i'm sure we, we may see that change of

a teacher, but we do want to see a cost benefit it because it's important we but little for products go to do as they need it. so if the new president of the us doesn't see it, because the priority t and so that's the conductor, the unfortunate, but i don't, i don't think we should give up. i think we need to engage as low seen a number of african countries, including those in the hill region advocates, a for a complete overhaul on with regards to 2nd. countries have a military presence in, in africa, and particularly the west, the deputy president. but obviously it takes 2 to tango. does the amc think that the desire for change will be a code from all parties with regards to that us?

when we stop on it, i think it's time that that come to send a clinton indeed given space. uh, to focus on data on development rather than leave like a you know, that, that typically it's a co pipe the but we want this things to be done just for the, these changes and it's, it's important. and also that they themselves discount lease once they've made this changes, that must ensure that they set the democratic these distributions that to ensure that, you know, they continue with the right to vote of the people eh, participate in the elections. and so, but i don't think we can the games that changes that, that taking place with regards to military presence of the west and africa. yeah

i'm, i'm saying that those countries that the see, we want to see that on that we say dad, i, eh, we, we do support military presence where we're trying to resolve conflict. as you know, we, our self has our own troops in the d. c. is not something that's ideal to us. we want to get out of this soon as possible. and that's why we stop with it on board. and when they came up with was the negotiations, the, the, with the one the but i'm told that fell through. but i did the we, we should not a pipe other countries, so many t o could patients in, in, in west africa and that, that kind of smith id is about invite that to us is called this conflict

that's understood. but, you know, when they use piece, you know, they need to, to get out so that the little car people can get on with their business deputy president. you've been a need to install that for a couple many years and you've won various hats. for those who don't know, you'll also the deputy president of the republic of south africa. but i want you to take us into your confidence. looking at the developments in africa and looking at africa's relations with the countries outside of africa, the west, for example, in europe for example. do you think africa has what it takes to economically free itself from the shackles of rely on the waste? because what it takes to the extent that the doesn't isolate itself, eh, you know, it, economy and economy,

clothes of countries. so entirely tipped. so i don't want a freaked out to isolate itself. but do you think it's able to be independent economic to please? oh yes, of course we've caught them in that as we have gone through lots of the inside of it of what we have already taken a decision that we're not going to you know, export or no. i mean that i was that been associated. yeah. and one to see all of the code is enough. it came clinton mentoring to say, because that has been the weakness of a lot of resources, but we don't use them to benefit all nations. eh, we expedite, we export your card, grow economics like that because you buy finish quotes from ibis. so we have the petition. and if with the beneficiary t o, a minute on the resources that a surprise,

great potential. but it will have to continue to work with us because as an equal partner, as you qualified men, because remember, even if you have this the resources and you do finish goose, you need to export them some way. so you'll, you'll, you'll cannot do it if you don't have a good relationship with the, with the, with the east eh, and so on. but of the guy said that to move to a higher level. now when you look at the developments today, in so far as the west banning russian media outlets that includes our team. what is your view? put city, what it comes to south africa because view is still struggling to access r t in south africa. don't supple, depending of any media is deficient

in fact, that one of the people who had been watching the rush of television, you know, really just a and we're going to make sure that it's on band because nobody should be, didn't even know what to expect. that's not what to do. yes. yes, our communications to be in the comment is looking into that because that we come from a history where we were denied the the truth. eh, you know, when we grew up, you know, i was living in alexander and we didn't know what's happening in so way to the so let's, let's allow everybody to 10 us the student. thank you so much deputy president for your time and really do appreciate that. the deputy president of the african national congress hold my site. the my name is tim carolina coming

to you from johannesburg. believe it's feel for now the new year of cooperation months ago in turbine. how about personally place that 20 years strategic want they should 3 deep green. but if one party faces aggressive, the other with a no way provide any helps to the aggressive double standards have reached the end of their life. the fact that one country has to completely right the citizens, to kill children and women to destroy hospitals and scores. 12 men asserting it to the solution on human rights and of a pointing the way for us as an accept long you don't to volume president must need picked. this can close out the westward, double standards as the criticize of them for preaching about human rights to others while committing those same crimes themselves.