a little by the way, all the purely financial aid that the u. s. given ukraine right now, comes from interest stolen off of russian assets held in the west. and now there's even talk that they want to straight out, steal those assets entirely. so apparently russia can technically fund the both sides of this conflict, but the west can even fund their own side. meanwhile, trump who set to crash land back into the oval office next week is making it sound like washington is being super generous and not at all spending the over whelming majority of its funding for ukraine on building us weapons right at home. europe is spending a tiny fraction of what we're spending and the european nations as a combination. they should be paying the same because, you know, their economy is approximately the same size. if you add them all up. plus, there are a lot more danger than we are, so they're spending, they have a $100000000000.00, probably more than that, less spending on ukraine than we do. they should be spending money. i think it's

very unfair to america. it's very unfair to the united states taxpayer. yeah, it's very unfair to us tax payers, all right, that they're massively subsidizing the us defense industry with zelinski serving as a mascot for the shady cause in the same way that raul and mcdonald reps, american fast food truck. and to share a common view, they see the ukraine conflict as a useful tool to extract more nero's from the sending wallets of you citizens funds ultimately funneled toward the purchase of american weapons. and that's the news now. thanks for watching by now. the

shooter times and welcome back to a brand new season of going undergrad. will gusting all around the world from the heart of the middle east today. and 1961. the world woke up to news of us present, generalizing, how revealing the dangers of a military industrial complex, not democracy, controlling the united states today and 20255 works as scheduled to light up the sky of donald trump's golf club in virginia ever had of a cabinet dinner and the integration of the 47th president on monday. many of those cabinet picks are on the record for promoting war on russia through ukraine. the genocide in gaza was involved in central america. and was when i run in china, this despite trump himself declaring that his design is well peace. joining me again from cleveland, ohio is dennis because image of the mayor of cleveland, who twice ran as a us for democratic presidential candidate,

most recently running as an independent candidate for congress. dennis, thanks so much for coming back on happy new year. you're on the season premiere of going undergrad. you are the washington press club just a few weeks ago before christmas. right? speaking about the risk of nuclear war. how important is it for trump do immediately was in biden's permission to fire us missiles that russia let alone the other elements of the by the policy that have made us a little closer to death. right. yeah. i, you know, 1st of all, it's great to be with you and your, your audience is very important for being able to analyze what's going on in the world. and i think by reference has an impact. so i'm glad to be with you, right? let's start with this, but it's very clear that we need a new security world security architecture just very clear and that that would

reflect the interest of, of each party. not just unipolar approach. and the big thing in the us, as we have to shift from the cold war perspective, which is like this into the apprehension of a nuclear conflict, which sometimes can become a self fulfilling prophecy. especially if i as invited ministration or lobbying language mitchell's towards moscow that never made any sense. and it carried with it the possibility of, of a nuclear war which myself, scott ritter and others were very pointed about sharing that perspective with the american table. so it's it, there's new opportunities here, not which standing whatever trumps a point to just upset or been i'll get on to the best i'll get onto those appointees in a minute. yeah. so, so the president,

trump is not somebody who watch more war. uh, here's the deal maker a and asked chill. he's always interested in trying to find a way to come to a deal. and course if you have a nuclear war, there is no deal to end of daily. so i think said we're looking at a potential here for a new relationship with russia in particular. that's going to be built on mutual respect of course. and that will give the people of the world an opportunity to see 2 leaders, both of whom have a great deal of experience, find a path towards a peaceful coexistence and, and maybe even a path towards working together. because after all, in the past, the us and russia found a way with the star to reduce the inner media, nuclear forest, rudy and others to come to agreement with america. so i think that we,

we should be in can be optimistic if not cautiously show that there will be an opportunity for an opening here with the new relations with russia. and i'd like to get into some of the details as we go through this discussion. yeah, i actually, i mean i'll get back to the future. is it where the in the 2nd uh, you definitely do believe the bite and blinking austin the sullivan paris policies brought us closer to nuclear war and the end of the world. i mean just just on that legacy it's been reckless and it has been esco a tori at a time when we mushed deescalate at a time when we need to advocate for a multi polar world data unipolar world and showed that that whole approach has been anachronistic. even it's not mine for the fact that the world would

change from what it was in 1950. and yet those who were advocating for escalation with russia for further aggression aggression didn't seem to have the capacity to be able to engage. and we need constructive engagement. uh that something that uh, uh, the biden blank and leadership on foreign policy didn't seem to be capable of. so, you know, i'm um, you know, we, we need to, to look for new partnerships or what's with russia. well, what have you made away from? what have you made of this week? so, i mean, it's quite type lifted. people used to cool at criminal criminal and all the g one who were trying to work out with the soviet union was doing what did you make of the tags? that's confirmation hearing the that's the, the nominee for the most of the pentagon in the new boss. of the c i a fugitive john rack that is very difficult for the public watching on youtube or whatever

that confirmation hearings as to what precisely their doings. and they look as frightened as we should expect, that it is executive power here. i mean marco rubio given his pos directly. what it was amazing to even to hear him talk about negotiation and the idea of a kind of multilateralism, your hinting at their make no mistake about it. unlike the last term we're president, trump is last, and we're president. trump relied upon this top advisors on matters of uh, international policy and security and intelligence. he's just brought this much closer to himself. now he's, he's making the decisions on warranty. and she's making the decisions on america's position in the world and america's ability to deal with other countries . he,

he seated some of that to people like my mike compared to last time. that's not happening. this time you're going to be, you're looking at a of a different type of present and truck. one who is more informed of the ways of washington, which can be secure edition snake put sort of way. and one who is not going to be misled by advisors who may have their own agenda. people are working for donald trump, and this term whoever is appointed will be reflecting his point of view is this is not a president and cheese that is going to be on edge. it's a presidency that's going, i think that will be focused on trying to come up with a means of establishing a de todd or at on taunt with certain nations. but he'll be focused on america's economic success. and there is

a there's, there's americas economics, a set success is adverse to the interest of the military industrial complex. because the more money we spend from was less able work. we are to meet the needs of the american people. and joe, the president trump knows that and he's, he's supporting people will follow his direction. i have any doubt about that there . there's not going to be many people out there who are going to be freelancing into trump administration, but we had some best in gulker on that. he was nominated by trump to become a deputy assistant to the president and senior director on kinds of tara. i don't know whether because you were running out of k jr. his campaign before he dropped out, whether you got a call to go tomorrow, i go ahead of the, you know, your ration day. but is it your sense then that um, even if trump is taking more executive control and not leaving it to illegible

criminals, like mike but bear, he sets up a huge battle line here. if you think of rubio, welts radcliffe on one side, i mean just the confirmation hearings, at least show that they want to mess surveillance and so on. the new edge of the ca versus the lawn. ma scarf, k junior, your friend chelsea gab cash patel who saw through all the russia gate hoaxes. i mean is, is that the kind of trump uh technocratic. see a way of having a divide and rule situation because it seems pretty dangerous to a lot of people that allow people in positions of that kind of power to pass without rubio is going to be the secretary of state directly is going to be the boss of the c a where you're at your ration about the diversity within the trump cabinet choices as well taken. however, i'll say it again, president trump is going to be running a shout. and if he wasn't,

then you could say, well, these forces are going to be at loggerheads and you end up with spacious inertia and government breakdown. i don't see that happening. i don't see it happening because a strong leader can set a tone which can cause others, notwithstanding what their predictions might be, can cause others to fall in line. and one thing about trump is a strong later and is not a pushover. is not somebody who is going to be easily misled by any of his staffers. he is, uh, as such, a he'll cause a kind of a consensus to arise that will hopefully create a administration that will find a way to work together for the benefit of the country. yeah, i mean, do you think that was a sense that the

a sub and i mean we don't know the state of it be stealing guys. i was an indication of that because you wouldn't expect the likes of rubio. mike wald, sebastian gorka, these people to have a force and that, and you know whose hand and say, look, we don't want genocide for the organization. i mean if anything, it obviously proved that blinking and bite and then the sullivan were useless. as so many tens of thousands of mostly women and children with civility. but is that in any indication, the fact that the, we sort of this piece deal ahead of an organization david, he just, he wants peace in effect, or he does one page and he sent an envoy end to meet with netanyahu and company and made it very clear based on reports that are public and some that i've heard privately and made it made it very clear that there had to be an agreement and the the a war against the people of guys and,

and he's looking at an architecture for patient in middle east and again, trump is someone who is taking a view of trying to put the pieces together to come to an agreement. as far as guys, uh, uh, as a time that we're talking it's, there's still conflict within the netanyahu government over whether there should be any secession of, of the war. and that, that will be a moment where netanyahu's ability to survive is going to be tested. because on one hand, he absolutely needs the help of the united states to stay in government and the other hand he needs the votes of the far right coalition that he put together to stay in office. so being the torsion in between create

a situation where the war is going to keep going for a while until they find a path to settle it and before the bank of yours and small treasures of the netanyahu. government realized that, notwithstanding their sincere desire to cleanse the land of everyone away, i'm should be a palace stand in that that's not gonna happen. and that the truth is that their approach of ethnic cleansing, of genocide has failed. or that this idea of uh, of, of greater israel that comes about as a result of very, very people that's not going to happen anymore. they're, they're going to have, take a new directional bound. trump is a very strong support of israel. and i support is you're up to as a point of the, you know, ethic cleansing and genocide, count me out. but what we're looking at here is an opportunity for israel to,

to get out of the right. and that is called, that is awesome. all child to israel survive, because right now israel's own existence is threatened by leadership, which is uh, going down the path of destruction which can could, could consume the state of israel itself. that is because of the jobs stop you that more from the twice us democrat presidential contender involved in their cleveland ohio. after this break the there's troubles in bad the world. donald trump successfully brought together a diverse coalition of voters to win the presidency for the 2nd time. but it's an open question. now if this diverse coalition can govern, soon we will learn with megan is really about the welcome back to going undergrad. i'm still here with the advise us democrat presidential contender and for the mayor of cleveland, ohio,

dentist, percentage dentist. you're talking about the dangers to israel, of uh, this uh, 15 months of slaughter in garza. i mean, in one sense though, is the, is there any project not fatally hom, the renewal around the world, the world, israel is now synonymous with genocide. how can they recover in any way unless trump gives them that way to recover their reputation arguably? but it's very sad to look at the trajectory of the historical relationship between the israeli government and the people of palestine. they are the pal shannon's, the guidance and the people in westbank because it's, it's really been a, a history fraud with depression and occupation. and there's not just buzzer words because i take an approach where i want, what's best for everyone. and frankly, israel, the government of israel,

has taken an approach which has been destructive in a way that it certainly caught the attention of the world. it is harmed israel's reputation as a state in the world community. its last israel, a tremendous amount of goodwill. without improving is real security one bit, you know, or, or without treating a return of hostages, or any significant number of netanyahu has played a hand where he's strengthened his hand within uh, within israel and within his government. but he is weak and himself around the world. now, what is the, is it, what do you go so far? just say anthony, blinking has done how mazda is work for me blinking for some reason this week was saying, there are more how about us members than they were before october? the 7th, but in a sense, was he not everything the failures of us policy itself. and i mean to that if that

is true, if that is true, then it's a confession of abject failure. if there are more how much members? but you know, this isn't a game a waka model here we're talking about the survival of the state of israel and the survival of the people of guys in the west bank. and the us policy has not been conducive to either frankly. and show our answer the blank and uh, god bless him is uh, gratefully uh, at the end of his service uh to the united states of america. give him a gold watch and sent him off the door deal. as many people would say, i mean, he might be going back to his defense contract, a job in west exec. it'd do you think it'll be safe, ever for bide man, as officials to travel anywhere in the world. after monday at 12 o'clock eastern time, given that there they are, obviously, in some ways complicit,

some people say participating actively in the genocide. according to that wealth quote, i know it's not respected by the us congress, but around the world. do you think they'll ever be able to travel these people, jake sullivan, blinking kamala harris biden? you know, that, that, to me that's, that's less of a concern than establishing a newer security architecture that respects the ability of all people to survive. and donald trump has a unique opportunity in that regard because he sees the shortcomings of the binding of instruction. and he is in a position to capitalize on the, on, on openings that he can create truly. what about this, what about this problem? they were horrible terror atrocities over the yuletide period in the, in the us in new orleans in the c as in new orleans for dental. and there is going

to be blow back presumably for these policies under the bite. and he is, i mean, the, you know, whether it's supporting, not season you gray nice is in syria. okay. they're in china, a oligarchs in latin america and things come back home. and of course, what happens to presidents is that they suddenly react and over react badly and throw themselves of course, in terms of foreign policy. what are the dangers to a jump administration of that? we're having this be seen to be tough when the inevitable blow back happens. there's so many weapons in the world. they've sent too far, right? groups and ukraine, so many weapons they've sent to me outside during ices, dashing inferior and so on like each new administration is inheriting something of administration's before them. that's a given. and the danger always when you're in

a position of power is over reaction. even in the face of, of, of a major attack. i'll give you an example. 911. the reaction was not just an overreaction, but it was focused on, on a rack which had nothing to do at $911.00. it ended up costing the united states maybe $5.00 to $6.00 trillion dollars. uh for was that never had to be fought. i gave a speech on the floor of the house right after the attack. saying hey, hold on, let's wait a minute. don't rush into any kind of, of decision making let's, you know, let's reason and not that much go forward. i mean, we have to defend the united states, of course, but there was something else going on here that another agenda, the depression of the united stage, has an obligation to be able to take a measured approach in any kind of a conflict. whether it's domestic or international and hopefully from all of the

lessons he's learned was, you know, offers and, and appear at an out of office where he was under him, were themself. he was under let, let's just, uh, president trump will, will emerge from that crucible of personal experience to become the leader that america needs at this moment. of course it remains to be seen, but he certainly has an opportunity. and, you know, we, we need to, we need to look at the escalation engagement of an opportunity to create a new security architecture. respect other people's concerns, and to try to find a way to get to prosperity. because in america, be very sure about this. people or titles each unless words which why they vote one of the reasons why they vote for donald trump. they wanted to america to focus on the economy here at home. they wanted to do something and stopped. there's flood of your legal immigrants coming in because that's an economic issue as well. americans

are really more focused on what's happening here. the housing situation is a nightmare in america. today. people are having trouble due to renting or, or staying in their home because of the cost. so, you know, we've talked a lot about foreign policy, but i'll tell you that the success of president trump is going to depend on him on him being very dextrous and handling the international matter. so he can focus on a domestic economy if he's able to do that, will be a successful president. he has a chance to actually be a great president. but you know, there's a view ported out there. the president's inherit all kinds of policies and, and sometimes the response to the united states happens during another administration. and so i'm hopeful that that will see a mixture of, of engagement and restraint and, uh, towards the establishing a, um, uh, you know, peace negotiations for ukraine, looking at, uh to, uh,

reining in nato is expansion has policies which have been devastating for the world of doing something about reviving discussions over nuclear disarmament. for example, that would be a huge development so that we're no longer we no longer have there's nuclear sort of damocles hanging over the world there's. there's a lot of progress to be made and i'm optimistic. of course, no pressure the never going to be spared criticism uh for his decisions. but i think the donald trump having had a an ocean of criticism both publicly and privately, there's probably better pauses and most to be able to make decisions without regard to public pressure. and to basically try to do what's right. and you believe he has

cabinet members that will question any fake evidence brought to him because you mentioned iraq because that was fake intelligence information. i mean, john radcliffe worked with john ashcroft. as i said, monica rubio is the i'm, i don't know what, you know, of this national security adviser and like, well, it's all it takes is one piece of evidence to get them into a wall with china or run, isn't it? and that will throw him, of course, from the domestic agenda, or if you will, failing me to any which any kind of, or any kind of a war would rec, present and trumps domestic agenda. just record. and that doesn't mean that he's going to permit the united states to be vulnerable at all. what it means is that he has a, he has great latitude right now at this point. the question is, how's it going to use it? and i, i'm quite confident and watching him closely over the last few years that he is not going to let any of his appointees just go off and around and do whatever they want

on behalf of god knows whatever interest they're gonna have to file a donald trump lead, and if they don't the way out that's, that's pretty clear. and just fine, easy going to bring to justice. all those people that will be lying about his 1st time. um, you know, the russia oak steel don't say i don't know whether he's going to get that m a 6 agent because of his deal done. the people responsible of a fake syrian chemical attack stories. all those people. i mean, do they not pose a problem for the future of the people that i lied about and being a russian agent? and so they're all, there will have jobs, they're all in the firmament of some of them working at legal practices. how are you going to get rid of these people that will not be all over the news media that the tests trump or i think what we have to do is get rid of the mindset of fear and suspicion fors. that's a bigger job. and individuals who have been purveyors of that fear and suspicion with a present into which is not fearful it will make

a difference of the those who were promoting russia gave another conspiracy theories which proved to be false and their, their partners tremendous with donald trump kind of elected anyhow, re elected and how, and i don't, i don't think that it would serve the trump administration well, to use the power of their office to essentially try to purge everyone who ever lied about about donald trump or his policies. but i don't, you know, there's a line to that. i always remember in a poem by a shelley called the prometheus on bound. and it talks about to forgive ron's dark or the night when when we carry with us this idea of being wrong, then we got to pay back people. that's a burden that weighs heavy on someone's heart and soul and show to,

to free herself of it. and basically say, okay, i know what happened, but i'm going to move forward. and in some cases, even i forgive you. but, but really the, the real test of power is to be able to meet all of those in attempts to undermine you and attack you and, and degrade you to meet at all and not go down in bitterness, but the rise up and to find means of serving the public who elected you? that is because then it's thank you and that's after the show will be back on monday with doug band that will be full of a special assistant or president roland reagan, and you'll then give it to us by the social media. if it's not sense and you'll country and i do i channel the guys have your normal, don't come to watch new and old episodes going on the going see monday, the

new year of cooperation must go into ron. have personally place that 20 years critique the block. they said 3 deep agreeing that if one party faces aggressive the other with a no. ringback way provide any help to the aggressive the double standards have reached the end of their life. the fact that one country has the completely right to the citizens, to kill children and women destroy hospitals as well that are starting into a discussion on human rights and about pointing the way for us is unacceptable to volume. president must say that this can close out the westward, double standards as the pre decides of them for preaching about human rights to others while connecting those thing crimes themselves. the.