to the the hello and welcome to cross stock where all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle . there's trouble in maga world. donald trump successfully brought together a diverse coalition of voters to win the presidency for the 2nd time, but to an open question. now, if this diverse coalition can govern, soon we will learn with maggot is really about the

cross talking mega. i'm joined by my guess, entry wong in miami. she is a miami executive district committee woman. also in florida. we have tom logo. he is publisher of the gold gods and guns blog and newsletter. and in nashville, we crossed to steve gill. he is an attorney and conservative tv and radio, political analysts or at cross walk roles. and in fact, that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate it. okay, let's go 1st. the angie in miami, in a few days time we will have the return of donald trump as president of the united states. obviously his political banner is maga. but in the weeks proceeding to isn't argue racing, we've seen a lot of futures and, and in squabbles within the mag a movement. what does maga mean to you? and when i ask when it, what it means to you, does mag of mean something different to everyone? is it really a movement or is it something that we all possess? we think we know when it is go ahead entry a. well, mega is a very personal thing,

but it is a movement. we've seen the mandates that president trump has gotten to change america and make it right again, and they get great again. so we're going to see that airline, seeing that people have been in office yet, it's been 2 months since donald trump has been elected. and you're seeing the world shift monumentally, things a bite and can even do. ready in 4 years, so it's a major movement. i think you're gonna see a lot of changes in the 1st 90 days of the mag and movement. and donald trump and uh, you know, that's gonna involve as well. it's gonna fall into policies into geo politics. and we're going to be, you know, we've heard sit tight because there's going to be a lot, a lot of hesitating and a lot of big changes in the world. okay, tom essentially the same question to you. but with the added copy, does eli and musk represent my good in your mind, steve bannon, these are very different people. okay. and there are other characters within the trump or bit there is just as different from others. go ahead tom. yeah i, i,

i don't, neither of those men represent what maga actually is. i think mag, at this point is a complete overhaul of the way we do. things was thinking about this for my, let my latest writings and, and i really do believe that is we're at a moment where everybody in america is feeling that we either we have to revolve, or we, whether it rack that inflection point. and if we don't evolve, then we will weather and, and i think the fires in california are a perfect example of, you know, the kind of an emblematic symbol of the, of the right within the existing system. and i think that that is what ultimately we want and it means different things to different people. and with my own community, i can see it. we have divisions all the time about what you know and the anxiety over getting it done. magic is the biggest impediment to getting anything done and a lot of people are out there stroking those anxieties in order to try and not get it done because of course maga is the enemy of what we, what do i, what i would like to call da those are the european global as to how about

a much different agenda for the future. and donald trump is of course, orthogonal to that, so that, and once we get into that, that can of worms, it opens up a lot of, of real, real complications for to have, are difficult to explain to the average person to the average your so well i well, it's, you know, what i mentioned, steve van and e, one most good. mean? it's not a bad thing that they're in the same uh, move mentor. they actually can be good because we need very vigorous debate. that's one of the reasons why the, the democrats were said packing and hopefully packing for a long time to come with steve. i mean there, when we look at the visa controversy and all that, i mean very diverse views and very passionate views as well. um, is that, could it be something that's going to be debated within this administration or, or one side house, the wind over the, the other like on the issue of care of go ahead steve and nashville. i think it does mean different things to different people, but like

a venn diagram there is overlap of what policies are, what issues people embrace even if they don't really embrace, embrace everything. you know, what's also interesting is that the mag a is not limited to the united states, although it's bank america. great. again. i mean you look at italy, maloney isn't bracing back up for the most part hungry. you. you've got new you in argentina, they've been implement any mac up principles and policies like crop is about to do in the united states. so it's not even limited to the us now to the left. badger means apple that apple apocalyptic disaster. it means epic. horrific things. dogs and cat sleeping together, it is not going to be that bad. and frankly, the american people to embrace that it's, it is different than what republicans have done in the past. it is palm deal. there's some read, their leases and, and i think that's where it's going to be fun to watch. that's exactly where i wanted to go. steve, thank you very much that you can do because that's what i a, that's what i find attractive about maggie, is it?

it's not republican, per se, because the republican party has been part of the problem. it's still the problem if you look at the senate, okay. and i would even argue even within the house, um there are still needs to be a lot of things. flushed out there, but angie steve brings up a germaine. point here is that this is also a departure from the republican party, which means a departure from the do lawfully. go ahead and to. yeah, and i love it. this is the new republican class, guys. we are the old democrats actually, and we are the j a. k democrats. this is exactly where this comes from. see the left. what ways you left for anyone's chase? anyone who is moderate, who is working, who commonsense. they can't be part of that party. and every single day i see florida leaders where i am leaving the democratic party because who wants to be on that ship anymore. but the right, this is this new law of the party. it well says everybody and we, we, you know,

black latino asians wives and everyone can come on board on this party. and we, we want to grow this party because it is the common sense party at this point. the left went too far, and this is the rep precautions. yeah, well tom, what, what happened was, i mean, we'll be dissecting this for a long time to come on. trump's return is a remarkable political event in american history. and i would even say in a western democracy, in general, as considering our western democracy is dwindling. but you know, one of the things that, and would makes me very hopeful, i want to be helpful, is that the republican party, the mag move meant more specifically is embracing class politics, which the democrats of jettisoned. but we have to remember the bernie burrows, they didn't just go away. they voted for trump, tom that they voted for trump in 2016 to by the way. yeah. you know, and i love steve's point about maloney. yeah. is it?

yeah, this is a different, this is different thing. the goal of well, well, the way trump ran the campaign this time he did exactly what i expected him to do. it just he was doing his very best to grab the people in the center 1010 to default democrat because they can't bring themselves. but republicans, they've got that. they've got that in part of the center. the say, no, it's okay. and then when you have people like jamie diamond, come out early on in the, in the primaries and say it's okay to vote for nikki haley. it does not because he was a near con, is because he was trying to tell this boss 3 friends. it's okay to vote for republican notch. nikki haley, and then you've seen since then, diamond shifted. now he likes trump pretty much what he's doing. so wall street had his blessing at the same time as trump was able to go out to the, to the soccer mom, set of the, the, the center and go grand people of normal people i tells you, gathered and are okay. and all that brand, you know, former democrats, i do, you know, guys like even more kind racing and all that stuff that all those people that went

on, joe rogan and the last month of the campaign, we're all, we're all very important players to get those people to say to themselves, okay, i have, i have people that i respect are going to do this. i can, i can do this. yeah. steve, it, i'm tom brings up a fascinating point. i actually, i hadn't thought about it is that it's, yeah, i don't really want to vote republican because of how the republicans and the liberal media have been tardy. but you can vote for donald trump. again, they're 2 different things for a lot of people, there are 2 different things. for me, i see n g nodding their head. she's agreeing. these are different. donald trump is represents a movement that could mean a lot of things to a lot of people, but not necessarily the republican party. that was his political breakthrough, steve, as well as its questionnaires, and as it's hard to raise it before he even takes office again. what follows, i mean, he's a once in a millennial politicians use done things that have to have broken politicians in

the past, but he does sales on through. i mean, this is the guy who's gone from mcdonald's work or garbage truck driver and convicted felon to the white house. the next person for the republican party. keep that coalition of black, hispanic, latino democrats, moderate republicans coalescing together. all right, and i think that's going to be the real challenge for the republicans. this is a trump party, not necessarily a republican party, and i'm not sure how they can hold that together, moving forward with that. well, that's the big question here a bit and to you, you are the 1st to bring it up. i'm sure like the rest of you and our viewers, i'm really tired of the race card that the left always play. and i'm hoping that this was a, a, a frontal assault against this kind of race baiting that we have, the democrats and the left has been playing on us. it doesn't really matter. and that's what this election proved. it is more about a movement. and i and again i, i want to close the stress, the class is playing

a role in here. and that's going to be a challenge for the mag and movement moving forward. go ahead entry. no, absolutely. and you know, just to harker on the point that there, there are people who voters who only vote for donald trump but not down valid republicans. this mound, right? so we're, we're looking at that data cuz we barely ever seen that before. so that, that actually absolute right to steve's point that trump is one for the millennium kind of candidate. and he pulls on through. now, as far as race goes, well, you know, democrats only have race. and i've been wondering all this time, how democrats keep voting against their own personal interest just to vote, democrat at a lot of it has to do with race and gender and sexuality because they see that something, all other issues including policy. so a and that is a phenomenon that i look at all the time when i look at candidates to run against incumbents. you know, if you knock out that opposite, which is gender sexuality,

race, then you can actually get to the policy. it's almost like that when you yeah. what, where it's, it's like we have more important things to do. i think that elect or is i. alright everybody. i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on mag of save the take a fresh look around there's a life kaleidoscopic, isn't just a shifted reality distortion by power to division with no real opinions. fixtures designed to simplify will confuse who really wants a better wills, and is it just as a chosen few fractured images presented to this, but can you see through their illusion going underground can

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but i thought of us with all of that, or i've seen you initially, it will be with the welcome back to across software. all things are considered. i'm peter le belcher mind. you were discussing maga, the okay, let's go back to angie and in miami. over the last few hours we had um, earth shaking news. oh, good news. um a cease fire coming into effect uh, surrounding and conflict between these rallies and hum us. so i don't want to go into the origin story here because a lot has been talked about that i have very strong views on it,

but we are talking about mag. and it is, is this really quite remarkable that donald trump, before the enters office, had to stump his foot once and hard. and he got his way and something that we were told for what 1618 months was impossible to solve. and that was an issue that is divided the american people divided the democratic party divided the republican party and even divisions in within the mag, a movement here. but they are on the, on the hours before the analogy ration donald trump, can claim at least temporarily a federally the, as a foreign policy when it be stuff, even president of the united states entry. it's incredible. look, this is a great 1st move by donald trump. it sets the stage for all world policies you can be sending forward, especially with mark rubio and the him as secretary of state. this is a strong message and that he see the dog roll photo that donald trump put out,

is very much like his mug shot is strong. he is not smiley, he's not, couldn't, he's not playing around. he's going to clean things up and that is what he's delivering. and you know, with the help of guitar, i'm sure he put a lot of pressure there. they made that deal happen. now, this is a great press release, right? what will actually happen in the 1st 100 days is really going to matter. it is a great thing to put out right before your inaugurated, even the biting can't say biting. can even pull this off. well, i mean tom, i mean, add insult to injury. it's a bite and is taking credit for it. i mean, you know, don't let the door hit your blank on the way out. ok, i mean, what a disgraceful man. this is. he could have made that phone call himself, but he didn't have the, the, the got to do it. okay. tom is real, has divided a lot of people uh, in the united states and within both parties here. um,

but it the same time you have marco rubio. yeah. wall to have a lot of these people around him that are obviously per train themselves and being very pro israel, very pro design is. but at the same donald trump use a jeffrey sachs video from a few months ago on his own true social. i mean, it's his, the people he's chosen or very uniform, but we still don't know what he himself actually thinks, putting that video out of what uh, jeffrey sachs said about netanyahu was a remarkable event, may be a historic event. go ahead tom. well, it's a, it's same similar to it is a, is remarks about put in russian ukraine a couple of days ago, which were when the, when's the last time we heard foreign policy, rationality about russia from an american senior american politician. never like she's about to become the only other one is he's about to become a director of national intelligence policy garrett. right. so what i say, you know,

the, the, the, the risk here with this the ceasefire and i'm the pure strategies here. this is not my opinion, this is just me playing the game board. he's got he's gonna have problems. right. he's got yeah, yeah, he's going to have problems. and within, not only the, the movement itself because he's, it's, it's the people who backed them and put him in power. and i think the thing we don't need to look at here is, what is trump going to do next? these are the a, ron, because getting a ceasefire with a mouse is one thing, but he has to secure is real future. okay. so it's a very tight rope to walk and we have to rush and signing, a direct at the strategic defense agreement with ron. this week, so now i've been saying for years that this is a solvable problem. if the 2 big powers basically walk away from the area, securing their proxies and, and walking away and don't, and then leaving it to everybody else to sort out with or it again and damascus, right? we have the set up for it. so the question now is,

how do you secure israel future and deal with the fraud and deal with this? and i think the solve it. i hate to say this is that because the accuracy iran has to go and that may be on the horizon folks. and not to say that you know, that the obviously not a wrong. yeah. yeah. maybe. yeah. but so, but tell them you throw it to steve. i mean that's way sure. i presume is the quid pro quo oh, about the ceasefire. is that we don't know what was given in return, complete annexation of the west bank or war against the run. we don't know that, okay, we do know that these rallies were forced to the table. that's all we know. okay. and we have no idea if it's going to work. all right, because we've seen these railings repeatedly, torpedo ceasefire talks okay. from remarkably got nothing. yeah. who to do it? steve. ukraine is already been mentioned here again,

a trouble in maga world because 1st it was good to be solved in a day, which we course all knew that was this bluster, okay, i never took it seriously. nobody else did. but now it's going to be maybe a 100 days now it's, it's not going to be so easy is going to take time. reality is showing its face here. this is going to be a very difficult thing to, to resolve. and the good thing is, is that people like ged vans, understand that trump appears to understand it from time to time. it leaves, but not all the other people around them. keith kellogg, he's fighting the cold war spill. i'm really disappointed with that. and boy, and many others, the trump is chosen. that's going to be a tough, a tough nut to crack. go ahead, steve. well, and all of these fox news generals, who were still telling the yeah, crane is winning. they've been lying the whole whole time at a reality is about to come in. i these 2 things are gonna happen. one truck from day one is going to change the pin at the any time,

tell her machine. so for leaders river to move on, whether it so lensky or anybody else, they're not going to be able to be digging their hands into the pockets of american taxpayers at will any longer, the atm pin numbers being changed. trump's going to clamp down on the checkbox. the other thing is, trump really believes in personal connections in terms of his foreign policy policies matter. but people matter more to him. so whether it's dealing with see whether it's dealing with me, whether it's dealing with the article on personal relations we're going to matter. you're already seeing that with maloney in italy, you're gonna see that with the b a u and argentina. anybody in the world who is a leader who's not already recognized, they've better have a relationship with trump is going to be on the outside, but yeah, which is why you see, and everybody truck, you know, probably down to tomorrow, largo and just look at one of these out of the 4000. do you estimate takeover dreamland or as many or calling it mar igloo uh to pay attention to uh uh to to that portion of the world. but for

a glue i haven't heard that one there. okay. and the what, what's your take on that? because, you know, one of the things over the course of the bite in ministration is that, and there's a lot of good pod cast lot of bad ones too. but i mean there's some interesting ones that say, where is the real is i'm in american foreign policy. where so geo politics? well, i and greenland is a very realist. okay. i mean, is it a moral thing? is it a good thing? that's it, material to politics and when it comes to geo politics. okay. and that's what a lot of people don't understand. now i could understand why trump is talking about greenland. it's a sparsely populated, has lots of natural resources, geographically located a lot of other countries we'd like to have control over agreement. i get it. okay. i just don't understand why can't have better relations with them. but anyway, trump is thinking outside of the box, panama, canada, who would have thought even

a few weeks ago. i mean, this is really amazing. angie. no, absolutely. we love that, but this is the great american expansion, right? we need more land, we need more resources. and we're going to be competitive in the next phase of the american history and our next generation, we need to expand some more, right? we need those things in order to compete with china, russia, etc. so i think that is what the thinking is. remember that the less expansion happened? i think it was in alaska. correct. and that was to have eyes on china and korea's, and russia. and i think that's what he's looking at as well as, you know, he wasn't even well and, and, and andrea here was really cheap. okay. so it's a really good deal. okay. well, construct, trump is looking for a good deal. trump is looking very good, steve going entry. oh no, i mean, i think that's what ultimately all this is about. the panama canal, we've long know that the chinese said, you know, you know,

maybe you control the ports there. so he, rightly so is sending kevin temporary, a from miami, down there to handle that. all of this stuff is good for america and he knows he wants to be that guy. he wants to be a legend. and in order, and this is going to be recorded in the history books as such. now i wouldn't be surprised if he went to other countries and said, hey, how about a deal? you know, he's going to ask for it. he's the guy who's just going to ask, no one else is asking. now whether or not, you know, denmark is going to allow this happen a, maybe not. i don't know people armstrong. well, i, i don't know. i mean it's, it's been a bi partisan effort over the years. is this through completely dis the europeans and the european union. let's face it tom. if the donald trump, once greenland, he's going to get it and there's no one that's going to stop him. go ahead tom, you know he is and this is and i, i want to to finish finish up on my original point because it actually tells directly into this greenland it represents the tensor move against europe. the,

the ceasefire in a run it with, with israel and iran, cutting them off from cutting europe off from the middle east. and now greenland disabled. we're done with you meddling in our elections that we have here. start. we have, we know that the, the british and, and dollars have been meddling our elections and meddling in our affairs forever. we have people at the top of our government who don't work for the united states. the c panel think they work for china. i think they work through the european union . i think i'm right. i think steve bannon is wrong, and i think that's what career mind represents among other things. and when you put the totality of this together and you'll get what's going on in the financial markets with what's going on with that policy and the movement and the way the, the, the, we're going to price your dollars in the future. it's very clear that everybody is done with the ussr, included in the russians, the chinese and everybody else. and they can all get together and say,

you know what, you want to be communist. you have fun were done and leave us alone and leave us out of it. we have a world to read. well, it is, i think the best, my son but, but top, as long as you buy our energy, that's what we have there. i mean there's that, but what's really important is that i'm, is that on monday or tuesday, he's going to speak virtually at davos play talk. all right, all right, everybody, that is my speed. that's what i'm, what i'm going to ask everybody to hold your breath until monday. okay, that's all the time we have. i want to thank my guests in florida and in nashville . and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at our dc and next time. remember across the world, the,

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middle east today and 1961. the world woke up to news of us present, generalizing how revealing the dangers of a military industrial complex. not democracy controlling the united states today and 2025 fireworks. a scheduled to light up the sky of donald trump's golf club in virginia were ahead of a cabin to dinner. and the integration of the 47th president on monday. many of those cabinet picks are on the record for promoting more on russia through ukraine . the genocide in gaza was involved in central america and was on their ron and china. this despite trump, himself declaring that his design is well peace. joining me again from cleveland, ohio has dentist percentage of the mayor of cleveland, who twice ran as a us for democratic presidential candidate, most recently running as an independent candidate for congress. dennis, thanks so much for coming back on happy new year. you're on the season premiere of going undergrad. you're the washington press club just

a few weeks ago before christmas. right? speaking about the risk of nuclear war, how important is it for trump to immediately was in biden's permission to fire us and we saw that russia let alone the other elements of the by the policy that have made us a little closer to death. right? yeah, i, you know, 1st of all, it's great to be with you and your, your audience is very important for being able to analyze what's going on in the world. and i think by reference has an impact. so i'm glad to be with you, right? let's start with this it's very clear that we need a new security world security architecture just very clear and that that would reflect the interest of, of each party. not just unit paul or approach. and uh, the big thing in the us, as we have to shift from the cold war perspective,

which has locked us in.