the most of them died 6 was incredible genocide. the hello and welcome to worlds a part of the final week before the change of power in washington has been marked by a flurry of diplomatic activity that shows how differently countries around the world go about building their relationships. some have struck highly detailed deals, others extend the planters of everlasting supports, all these with no strings attached. what style of international relations is likely to be more enduring? to discuss that, i'm now joined by lisa sock international relations and cooperation specialist at abigail state university in russia. that's elisa,

it's great to see you. thank you very much for your time. i. thanks for having me. now we'll leave in a time when i'm making confidence forecast about the future seemed to be as think of the past with major political changes happening on an almost weekly basis. and yet, i mean, it's all based on predictability. just as we record our interview, russia and the wrong are expected to sign a strategic partnership deal that will govern the relations for the next 20 years. isn't an obsolete to try to come commit to anything, let alone an interest in relations on such a long time frame? uh well uh this the comprehensive as director director to read to you, which is the site to be signed to today between was signed. you're wrong, we'll replace the previous agreement so that was signed in 2001. however, 2 days a treaty is expected to be more comprehensive and fast. well,

while there is no exact information available about the poor areas of the treaty, it has been circulated to through the media that the cooperation will not be limited to military security issues. rather, it will be in compasses, a wide range of issues related to economy, transportation, energy sector, finance, among, among others. so having said that, it is important to notice that the stablish and long term agreements and international relations such as this dresser dict, partnership treaty between wash dry. and you want that sponsor over 2 decades. got in, has the stability and to predictability. and there are diplomatic ad, they call them make interactions. let's also admit the basis uh, somewhat outdated mode of, uh, you know, maintaining international relations because we don't see many countries doing something like that at this point of time. it's more about p r. speeches about,

you know, loud announcements, but without of any specific details, usually without any specific details noted on paper. why do you think russia and the run of doing it at this moment, even though we know from our own sources, that disagreement has been in discussion for many, many years for at least 4 years. so it's not all of a sudden that they sign it, but why do you think they are still prefer that form of cooperation so well, this depends that according to the international us, a international community that we live in. looking out to the current international, a u. s. laid order, we can see that c, e one and russia are facing comprehensive, and a very has the challenges of both the countries are heavily sanctioned, the economy by the us late the international order. so as such, agreements in my opinion will help them to face the mutual challenges concerned

economic sanctions imposed by the western countries and you as being facing these the common challenges, a long term partnership agreement can foster late more effectively coordination of the area for the last year of latino, which assigned a similar agreement with north korea. it was also uh, strategic, an old, encompassing. and it covers many areas, but it's specifically focused on military cooperation with the 2 countries plunging to support the each other in their attack. do you think such agreements in general would provide an effective deterrent against, let's say, say a radical westland strikes, or on the contrary, are they more likely to sort of serve as an invitation to, for says that one to undermine those nation. uh well, let's be a little bit realistic for, for, for some countries. of course, they will see the partnerships,

the agreements such as once the line to be signed today between your 5, the launch as well as the new 12 defensive treaty between washington and north korea. last year as us rights to their own security, i think that the, the conference or nations are they are looking at such partnership as a threat. they, they see the word dissolute, can narrow and bias lives 1st and most importantly, because uh, they disagree to do the rights of the citizens of these countries who have endured on just the corner. they could locate for years, just because these nations have made the server and decisions. it's applied for the word to follow. according to the award, the best order was ultimately serving the interest of a specific could. nation's was the great things they need to else of interest and the interest of others. these agreements are wise as their reaction to their

hostile actions toward russia threatening is security and borders the so we need to as expansion with your crane beings almost as a vivid example of these policies. i'm not sure i agree with their 100 percent here because i think uh, the russian leadership, at least on many occasions, stressed that the reason why the primary reason why they develop relations with other countries in such a format, in such a contractual long term form others because they believe that's been the best way to insure a stability, and that's ultimately in their own interest. it's not just plugging uh, you know, vocal support and doing nothing. it's actually in a painstaking analysis of where the 2 countries can call parade to deliver a mutual benefit. and that's a totally different approach to partnership from. let's say um, you know, something that is based on ideological value, is that not underwritten by concrete steps. well, of course, uh any partnership or uh, or new state. so that's wants to make such

a long term agreement with the other concert you should be a see kind of from their own interest for national interest and national security. this is the primary goal as of i need a silver and states in international relations. this is, if we are speaking about a normal situation, if we can describe beds without being gets the right thing, the from external power. so you get new, you know what i mean, but in the case of russia, with all these mobilization against it and against it's fully see and their attempts to isolate russia. a we can explain, or we can interpret such partnerships with the north korea and with a want as a break. and this attempts to isolate russia and putting in a, in a position that is being isolated are all the work. and then that's a and that's

a and this is also we can look at the washer and also attempts to break this kind of ruling. the order was establishment, author, brakes are absolutely some of it. let me ask you about that because i know that you are a specialist on the rushes to use a soft power. and i was wondering if, by sticking to this long term detail, the greens rush, he's also trying to on essentially exemplify what kind the world daughter is, wants to seize. it wants to see if, you know something that is based on concrete agreements, where countries actually stick to that words regardless of the political occurrence . while a true design, he is a truth assigned and that it will last but you know, for the time that the, that is specified. do you think that's a form of power projection in any way? first of all, we have the to understand that soft power and means that's we are using all

kinds of the all so, so far worse, for example, like dips when i see like, uh, using cultural, using cultural, even educational means. and that sense, if 2 days a treat to you, well, in called passes, such as the such as domains or areas which is, which is the speaking about to the cultural mutual exchanges, educational x 2 and exchanges. of course, russia is going to, through using its own soft powers and its old me is. and by the way, by doing that for our shot is the not only applying soft power in it's the external or into international policy. but it, in russia is using what they call it grants strategy. ross strategy means that you are using all the possible means and old tools that you will have. so you get the

russia, is it trying to make a new fly and extend, or it's an international, a tools if we can say which by using not all lead us of power. but also i was strategy and dealing all of the current to challenges of the, the complex disease of the international system. i want to contrast rushes attitude to the worth and the promises and the weight of those commitments to uh, the one that was exemplified by the u. k. prime minister, who recently visited keith, plunging in it with a 100 years of, quote unquote, being with the a crane to me, it sounds like a promise of return. the loss with no strings attached, no commitments made. and i assume the opinion people would want to have something more concrete or more specific, what they're saying, why do you think the west keeps sticking to these very a sudden they're all kind of policy as well. uh that the brittany that you care

from minister visit to your brain in such a critical moments before just if, if you days also trumps the rich to do it to the white house and with the drums to a problem, this is to find a swift and fast to peace or solution for they is it your cranium issue? i could read into that or it, it kind of, it's kind actually reminds me of the, a john, a bolton, a visit to your crane in april 2022. if i'm not, if i'm not mistaken, in the days where he was, a lot of the of the party has accused him that he also supported it. that's the, the, the, the, the piece agreements about it was about to be reached between russia and ukraine. so in that sense, not the only u. k, before a few days i a,

the german also edition for him is to also reach to ukraine, to solar defy. and to assure that says that germany also supports the induct. totally. so this is like, like point, i mean they, they should make the visits and, you know, today they come in tomorrow they go. but uh, in terms of what the ukraine actually does or what any other country that falls for these problem is actually receipts of still unclear because i assume that you're pregnant. people would want to know, you know, how much money, how much assistance they would receive on the construction. you know, how that army will be funded. you know, they said these are the details that the countries used to put in interest based agreements. what may have been moreland is the west side of things, the countries to wars with the neighbors, promising them support for hundreds of years and not actually committing to anything on paper. and what i cannot understand is why do you think some of those

nations in their leadership seem to the song spell bound by these kind of appeals. so by this kind of promises, i don't know anybody who, who could or who would reject a peace agreement to reach a peace agreement, which will bring a towel it see. and will bring a reconciliation and reconstruction as you say, to the, your brain as to the, to which russia as well and to a, combined to rush on and do the ukrainian again. so in my opinion, that zelinski, by taking to these steps by escalation, even before it would be before just a few days of the trunk, comes through the power. as with his own, a promise to talk to you with a, bring a piece to the, the conflict. i mean, he is going against his own people interest and his own people,

a sustainability and, and security. or if he is going this through his own personal interest, in that sense, a, nobody can expect to find on explanation to this. this tips the escalation steps either that he is going just for his own interest and his own personal interest ad that may be business. we don't know. okay, well that's at least that we have to take a very short break right now, but we will be back in just a few moments. stay tuned. the there is no end in sight over how you're going to continue to destroy the earth. is

the case for the madness of the people. i tried to go to the gym, but i'm certainly not ready to fight russia. this is also of soon. this is the 3rd world lunacy re washing press for so the funder line likes to say we have the tools while we just start with stability and business deals through somebody living online. we have very good propaganda. you know, a price here in new york. i think we don't know the aftermath any time that you're not allowed to ask questions, you should ask all of the questions. some more questions, ask a better. the answer is will be the welcome back to wells of parts with lisa. it's ok. international relations and corporation specialist at either get state university and in russia, that's at least and we started our conversation by discussing the treaty between

russia and iran, but there is an other deal in the making or supposedly already signed the one on the ceasefire in, in gaza mediated by her todd egypt and the united states. the bottom administration pushed a lot for this deal. it was sort of uh, discussed uh, behind closed doors, but on a very short time scheme. what's the orientation? is it likely to succeed? well, i did the cut that announced yesterday the success of the collective efforts of egypt, u. s. and carter to reach temporary cheese fire agreements in gus are between who's already learned how much? well, h is the, a 3 to agencies fire with the many details supposed to be implemented on the 19th january is to start the of course with the 6 weeks of temporary fees, the teachers, and also the um, their jury or operations my both parties. and in my opinion, uh,

the likelihood of the, the agreement success as sustainability is a promising, especially considering the batch of doing a trump will soon take office as a, knowing these not in favor of starting his term would that conflict? he has words also and a promise of hell, a to me to least in case so for that's a reaching this kind of the ceasefire. and here we sold that to just to be for a few days is going through his, the, to the white house. the 15 mazda is, of the war has come to the, to be side. and so, in my opinion, the timing of the disagreements indicates that so both parties have reached a stage in which we call it in conflict, and for studies of 50 is date. how much counts offered. so to be any more stubborn at the visa is unlikely to impose majors more severe than adults already. the

experience in that district and because of the i to these factors to the existence of the stronger power. well, to put the and to the conflict and it gets a ceasefire. so literally you're, you said that the, you believe the base conflict has, we should speak that, but for now, the discussion is primarily on the cease fire on the release of these rarely hostages and the palestinian detainees. but there is no discussion about the historical uh and political driven sense of the palestinians. where do you think it leads the main question of smile on this conflict? i think that to trump is going to uh to initiate or launch a piece of process a cord or a piece. so process the initiate of it. that's what would be announced by the us for them to do at least a basically to find as a sole lights and final solution for is why you and full s t m poured

a sports. i don't think that the home us will be a will come to the participants in this upcoming political line to escape the policy and on thursday is also weekends by it's already internal divisions, a s o, in my opinion, we might see a new faces in the future in negotiations, it's will proceed without the presence of the, the figures to who has instigated the conflict. especially suggesting that to meet in the whole himself. and his extreme is over his, the a big stream is governments and may be also side the line. did that, however, a piece of process will be launched under a trump administration, like abraham accord for a new law. i think it will be the basis of these process, which is basically a piece for piece a for the lot piece by force,

which might include the own relevance parties in mid to lease. so basically the conference may also involve a representative of from the policy noon on thursday, may be leaving and also will become a long as you yeah, as well. the one thing i noticed over the last couple of weeks since the election of trump is that there is barely any mention of all the you and the resolutions on the palestinian question. do you think any of those resolutions which are still considered to be part of the international law panel, inducing base to bear any significance at this point? well, in my own opinion that you end resolutions are similar to dwayne disengagement and observe or forces. and for example, interested in goal on high so there where international observe ation courses and tasked with the monitoring this situation. however, after the fall of,

i thought we saw that, how is it the here are some sources left to the area and because it's right in high seas, the implementation of they just engagements. agreements and v did subsequently occupied the entire studio for nicer all. what did they, you in peacekeeping force, do they, they didn't, they couldn't do anything regarding that. therefore, i believe that the discussions about the you in nations and it's f o legation organizations should include considerations about the need of re considering that the a construction in the international system itself. that has to be needed since the 2nd award. we're reforming, the united nation is on earth to end is the 34 building and you multi polar order which can address address, sorry. such is 2 issues like the poll a senior and cause that you have mentioned now. uh,

i gather that you are not very optimistic on the prospect of the palestinian space as you are not. uh, you don't seem to be that optimistic on the return of the goal and hives to, to syria. but uh, that would suggest that the, the policy of, of israel and the united states pursuit for so many date and the policy of, for, is the policy of bloodshed. the policy of the big pad uncompromising dictated that it has succeeded. so we can say that it has been succeed at the succeeded, may be temporary in the car and according to the current event and the trajectory of the events. so that's we could see as since the 7th of october, 2023. i mean, the whole, the bulk of the people who were supporting what they called it, the resistance of thrones. they were often mistaken that this came a 7th october. we'll bring some just to the pole

a scene in close. but what will happen then? there are 3 cushions also that is fault is that it's, it's a role. could be opposites a the, the, the exactly opposite, the desired all calm look odd to that resistance. so from now, i mean is it, there is no around, look at how mosse and, and god's all, what happened top of things off. it's all of us leaders, erosion also the strength in of how much in, in uh, in augusta, and living on the same scenario. we could see that say is right, manage it to a tough hole. the, the 1st as thick on the top as the leaders. and most importantly, has a natural law himself. in syria, the adult or we deem it was speed. it has been the tall pulse. i mean, and looking at you won the e one is the left uh, um, alone again in the, in this arena. well, uh,

this is actually one of the biggest questions in global politics in the year of to 1000 a 25. what will happen between israel and iran and whether israel, emboldened by its advances in syria, we'll go ahead with direct stripes against a rainy and nuclear facilities or whether iran will continue it's policy uh off a very sort of public belligerence towards the west, towards israel and serve therefore, either tomba, administration, all of these rarely governments, and inverts 3 tax for attacking them. how do you use these things? these 2 nations will sort of navigate that animosity, and these new circumstances won the prize of escalating itself high. the 1st of all, to answer this question, we must 3 called nice. that is right. we know today is not the same as the one existed prior to october 7. as the following, this say date is right. you backed by the u. s. has to be operating in the media,

least with dogs to regard for international law for a human wides, even global public opinion. they don't see any all of these. they know one thing that october offense of has a pool is a significant threat to is there are in existence. so given the statements, so from is right, you offer shows, particularly from you to the whole himself. it seems for me that it is reasonable to believe that is why you indeed did turn in mind to target you want. however, it looks like it will target for a my own opinion, the whole teas backed by you want in yemen 1st to predict itself. so from i need a potential, a, strikes the from other directory. so the question here is not whether is right, you has the courage to strike you want or not. the question is how and when will do that? let's just forget that that is right, has a gone

a long way destroying how much has the law and s idea, syria to reach you want in the ends, right? so, so, so uh, but how and when this, nobody can predict what we can see. uh and uh, uh, if we want to answer the question, we could, we can look up from both the data and all the evidence that it's happening around us. it seems that is right. you and, you know, if even i to the states are in favor of for redeem it, change the now you, that's, it happens with the assets similar might be applied in the you want as well, where iranian government may a therefore become a targets for internal just the belie session with the airports to meet to mobilize, the countries opposition forces to drive the change from within. so by we can get you, ron, a from within and exerting economy pressure,

is it all those little additional sanctions? the, the ways to might aim to exert a to exert concessions of from, in iran, in regards of it's in your clear program. essentially, the goal is to a clip. it was a close and surprise it uh, from its a strategic influence making. it's more the more version of those 2 extern amount of pollution and subs due to, to internationally a force stage strategy by the way, have applied in syria and have succeeded so well, i'm the strategist, they tried to applied to russia, but it has not succeeded the yet, and hopefully with countries like russia, china, and the global majority that actually wants to leave by international law that is in favor of long term cooperation that it is in favor of agreement. is that a sign to be upheld?

i hope this sort of scenario you're describing will not realize itself, but we will have to wait and see documents that we have to leave it there. thank you very much for being with us. thanks for having me. and thank you for watching hope to share again on walter part of the the, the the,

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