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the, the time actually there are times the and welcome back to a brand new season of going undergrad, broadcasting all around the world, from the middle east today. and 1961. the world woke up to news of us present, generalizing, how revealing the dangers of a military industrial complex, not democracy, controlling the united states today and 20255 works is scheduled to light up. the sky of donald trump's golf club in virginia were ahead of a cabinet dinner. and the integration of the 47th president on monday. many of those cabinet picks are on the record for promoting more on russia through ukraine . the genocide in gaza was in that in central america and was on there,
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ron and china, this despite trump, himself declaring that his design is world peace. joining me again from cleveland, ohio has dentist percentage of the mayor of cleveland, who twice ran as a us for democratic presidential candidate, most recently running as an independent candidate for congress. dennis, thanks so much for coming back on happy new year. you're on the season premiere of going undergrad. you are the washington press club just a few weeks ago before christmas. right? speaking about the risk of nuclear war. how important is it for trump to immediately was in biden's permission to fire us and we saw that russia let alone the other elements of the by the policy that have made us a little closer to death. right. yeah. i, you know, 1st of all, it's great to be with you and your, your audience is very important for being able to analyze what's going on in the world. and i think by reference has an impact. so i'm glad to be with you, right?
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let's start with this it's very clear that we need a new security world security architecture just very clear and that that would reflect the interest of, of each party nitrous unipolar approach. and the big thing in the us, as we have to shift from the cold war perspective, which is like this into the apprehension of a nuclear conflict, which sometimes can become a self fulfilling prophecy. especially if i as in divided ministration or lobbying language. mitchell's torch moscow that never made any sense and carried with it the possibility of, of a nuclear war, which myself, scott ritter and others were a very pointed about sharing their perspective with the american table. so
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it's it, there's new opportunities here, not which standing, whatever trumps or pointers upset or been i'll get onto the best. i'll get onto those appointees in a minute. yeah. so, so the president, trump is not somebody who watch more war. uh, here's the deal maker a and asked chill. he's always interested in trying to find a way to come to a deal. and course if you have a nuclear war, there is no deal to the end of daily. so i think said we're looking at a potential here for a new relationship with russia in particular. that's going to be built on mutual respect of course. and that will give the people of the world an opportunity to see 2 leaders, both of whom have a great deal of experience, find a path towards a peaceful coexistence and, and maybe even
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a path towards working together. because after all, in the past, the us and russia found a way with the start to reduce the inner media, nuclear forest, rudy and others to come to agreement with america. so i think that we, we should be in can be optimistic if not cautiously show that there will be an opportunity for an opening here with new relations with russia. and i'd like to get into some of the details as we go through this discussion. yeah, i actually, i mean i'll get back to the future. is it where the in the 2nd you definitely do believe the bible blinking austin, the sullivan. paris policies brought us closer to nuclear war and the end of the world. i mean, just, just on that legacy, it's been reckless and it has been as go tori at a time when we mushed deescalate at a time when we need to advocate for
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a multi polar world, not a unipolar world. and showed that that whole approach has been anachronistic. even it's not mindful of the fact that the world changed from what it was in 1950. and yet those who were advocating for escalation with russia for further aggression aggression didn't seem to have the capacity to be able to engage. or we need constructive engagement. uh that something that uh uh, the biden blank and leadership on foreign policy didn't seem to be capable of. so, you know, i'm um, you know, we, we need to, to look for new partnerships or what's with russia. but what have you made away from? what have you made of this week? so, i mean, it's quite type lifted. people use the goal at criminal criminal and ology when we were trying to work out with the soviet union was doing what did you make of the
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tags? that's confirmation. hearing the that's the, the nominee for the both of the pentagon and the new boss of the c. i a fugitive john rack. that is very difficult for the public watching on youtube or whatever that confirmation hearings as to what precisely they're doing. do they look as frightened as we should expect? that it is executive power here? i mean marco rubio given his boss, direct quote, it was amazing to even to hear him talk about negotiation and the idea of a kind of multilateralism. your hinting at their make no mistake about unlike the last term word. president trump is last and we're president. trump relied upon this top advisors on matters of uh, international policy and security and intelligence he's. he's brought this much closer to himself. now he's,
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he's making the decisions on warren page, making the decisions on america's position in the world and america's ability to deal with other countries. he, he seated some of that to people like my micron pay or the last time that's not happening. this time you're going to be, you're looking at a of a different type of present and truck. one who is more informed of the ways of washington, which can be, uh, secure edition snake put sort of way. uh and one who is not going to be misled by advisors who may have their own agenda. people are working for donald trump and this term whoever is appointed will be reflecting his point of view is there is not a president and cheese that is going to be on edge. it's a presidency that's going, i think that will be focused on trying to come up with
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a means of establishing a day, todd, or at on time would certain nations but he'll be focused on america's economic success. and there is a there's, there's americans economics, a set success is adverse to the interest of the military industrial complex. because the more money we spend from was a less able work. we are to meet the needs of the american people. and joe, the president trump knows that and he's, he's supporting people will follow his direction or have any doubt about that. or there's not going to be many people out there who are going to be freelancing into trump administration. but we had some best in gulker on that he was nominated by trump to become a deputy assistant to the president and senior director on kinds of tara. i don't
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know whether because you were running out of k jr. his campaign before he dropped out. whether you got a cold to go tomorrow, i go ahead of the, you know, your ration day. but is it your sense then that um, even if trump is taking more executive control and not leaving it to illegible criminals, like mike, but bear, he sets up a huge baffle line here. if you think of ruby a waltz. radcliffe, on one side, i mean just the confirmation hearings, at least show that they want to mess surveillance and so on. the new edge of the ca versus the alarm us scarf, k junior, your friend, jealousy, gab, cash patel who saw through all the russia gate hoaxes. i mean is, is that the kind of trump uh technocratic. see a way of having a divide and rule situation because it seems pretty dangerous to a lot of people to allow people in positions of that kind of power to pass without rubio is going to be the secretary of state directly is going to be the boss of the c a where you're actually ration about the diversity within the
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trump cabinet choices as well taken. however, i'll say it again, president trump is going to be running a shout. and if he wasn't, then you could say, well, these forces are going to be at loggerheads and you end up with spacious inertia and government breakdown. i don't see that happening. i don't see it happening because a strong leader can set a tone which can cause others notwithstanding what their predictions might be, can cause others to fall in line. and one thing about trump is a strong later. and this is not a pushover. is not somebody who is going to be easily uh, misled by any of his staffers. he is, uh, as such, a he'll cause a kind of
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a consensus to arise that will hopefully create a administration that will find a way to work together for the benefit of the country. yeah, i mean, do you think that was a sense that the a sub and i mean we don't know the state of it be stealing guys. a was an indication of that because you wouldn't expect the likes of rubio. mike wald, sebastian gorka, these people to have a force and that, and you know whose hand and say, look we don't want genocide for the organization. i mean, if anything and obviously proved that blinking and bite and then the sullivan were useless as so many uh, tens of thousands of mostly women and children with slaughtered bit. is that in any indication, the fact that the we sort of this piece deal ahead of an organization david, he just, he wants peace in effect, or he does one page and he sent a non boy in to meet with netanyahu and company and made it very
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clear based on reports that are public and some that i've heard privately and made it made it very clear that there had to be in agreement and the uh, the a war against the people of guys. and he's looking at an architecture for patient middle aged. and again, trump is someone who is taking a view of trying to put the pieces together to come to an agreement. as far as guys, uh, uh, as a time that we're talking it's, there's still conflict within the netanyahu government over whether there should be any secession of, of the war. and that, that will be a moment where netanyahu's ability to survive is going to be tested. because on one hand, he absolutely needs the help of the united states to stay in government. now on the
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other hand he needs the votes of the far right coalition that he put together to stay in office. so being the torsion in between create a situation where the wars going to keep going uh for a while until they find a path to shuttle it and uh before the bank of errors and small churches of the netanyahu. government realized that notwithstanding their sincere desire to cleanse the land of everyone away, i'm to be a palestinian that that's not going to happen. and that the truth is that their approach of ethnic cleansing, of genocide has failed. that this idea of uh, of greater israel that comes about as a result of very, very people that's not going to happen anymore. they're, they're going to have,
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take a new direction of donald trump is a very strong support of israel. and i support is you're up to the point of a, you know, ethnic cleansing and genocide, count me out. but what we're looking at here is an opportunity for israel to, to get out of the right. and that is content as awesome. all child to israel survive, because right now israel's own existence is threatened by leadership, which is uh, going down the path of destruction which can could, could consume the state of israel itself. that is because of the jobs stop you that more from the twice us democrat presidential contender involved with mayor of cleveland, ohio after this break, the, the so the question here is not whether it's not you has the courage to strike you want or not. the question is how
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and when will do that? let's not forget to that is right. has the gone a long way destroying how much his law and asset in syria to reach you on the and white. but how and with this, nobody can predict the let me look at the little greetings from the woods. and the reason worked on anybody that i see on your own most less because happening and especially the going to the life of the month lender filled up just about the ciocca place for you because of the little business. most learners, are you familiar with building some of the initial meeting and that was quite
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testable, not logan, as custodian spanish. so i sent you a that is cool, but it's all about them. yeah. but i'm using it or do you watch any sports? it's a little less to shuffle the listing way. you're not going when one of them is rate for the customers. so let's look for almost 437000000. those are the buses for fluids unless somebody number i to i thought, but i thought about with the category i seen you initially. it will be the welcome back to going undergrad. i'm still here with the twice us democrat presidential contender involvement, mayor of cleveland, ohio dentist. percentage dentist, you're talking about the dangers to israel,
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of uh, this uh, 15 months of slaughter in gaza. i mean in one sense though, is the, is there any project not safely home? let me know around the world. the world is rail is now synonymous with genocide. how can they recover in any way unless trump gives them that way to recover their reputation? ruggedly well, it's very sad to look at the trajectory of the historical relationship between the israeli government and the people of the palestine. they are the pal shannon's, the guidance and the people in westbank because it's, it's really been a, a history fraud with depression and occupation. and there's not just buzzwords because i take an approach where i want, what's best for everyone. and frankly, israel, the government of israel,
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has taken an approach which has been destructive in a way that it certainly caught the attention of the world. it is harmed israel's reputation as a state in the world community. its last israel, a tremendous amount of goodwill, without improving is real security one bit, you know, or, or without treating a return of hostages or any other significant number of netanyahu has played a hand where he's strengthened his hand within uh, within israel and within his government. but he's waking himself around the world now, but it's so somebody. well, yeah. so is it, i mean, what do you go so far as to say anthony, blinking has done how much is work for me blinking for some reason this week was saying there are more homeless members than they were before october, the 7th, but in a sense was you know, meeting the families of us policy itself, and i mean to that if that, if that is true, if that is true, then it's a confession of abject failure. if there are more, how much members?
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but you know, this isn't a game a waka model here we're talking about the survival of the state of israel and the survival of the people of guys in the west bank. and the us policy is not been conducive to either, frankly. and so our entity blinking, uh, god bless him is uh, gratefully uh, at the end of his service, uh to the united states of america. give him a gold watch and shut them off the door deal. as many people would say, i mean, he might be going back to his defense contract, a job in west exec it. do you think it'll be safe, ever for bide, man, as officials to travel anywhere in the world? after monday at 12 o'clock eastern time given that there they are. obviously, in some ways complicit, some people say, participating actively in the genocide, according to that wealth quote, i know it's not respected by the us congress,
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but around the world, do you think they'll ever be able to travel these people, jake sullivan, lincoln, kamala harris biden. you know that, that to me that's, that's less of a concern than establishing a newer security architecture that respects the ability of all people to survive. and donald trump has a unique opportunity in that regard because he sees the shortcomings of the binding of instruction. and he is in a position to capitalize on, on, on openings that he can create truly. what about this, what about this problem? they were horrible terror atrocities over the yuletide period in the, in the us in new orleans in the c. as in new orleans for dental, and there is going to be blow back, presumably for these policies under the bite. and he is, i mean, the, you know,
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whether it's supporting not season you gray nice is in serial kind of in china. the oligarchs in latin america and things come back home. and of course, what happens to presidents uh, is that they suddenly react and over react badly and throw themselves, of course, in terms of foreign policy. what are the dangers to a jump administration of that? we're having this be seen to be tough when the inevitable blow back happens. there's so many weapons in the world. they've sent too far, right? groups and ukraine, so many weapons they've sent to me outside during ices, dashing inferior and so on luck. each new administration is inheriting something of administration's before them. that's a given. and the danger always when you're in a position of power is over reaction. even in the face of, of, of
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a major attack. i'll give you an example. 911. the reaction was not just an overreaction, but it was focused on on a rack, which had nothing to do at $911.00. it ended up costing the united states maybe $5.00 to $6.00 trillion dollars. uh, for ones that never had to be fought. i gave a speech on the floor of the house right after the attack, saying, hey, hold on, let's wait a minute and don't rush into any kind of, of decision making. let's, you know, let's reason and not that much go forward. i mean, we have to defend the united states, of course, but there was something else going on here that another agenda did. depression of the united stage has an obligation to be able to take a measured approach in any kind of a conflict, whether it's domestic or international. and hopefully from all of the lessons he's
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learned was, you know, offers and, and appear at an out of office where he was under him, were itself, he was under elizabeth at president trump will, will emerge from that crucible of personal experience to become the leader that american age at this moment, of course it remains to be seen, but he certainly has an opportunity. and you know, we, we need to, we need to look at the escalation engagement, an opportunity to create a new security architecture. respect other people's concerns and to try to find a way to get to prosperity because in america, be very sure about those people or titles each unless wars. that's why they vote one of the reasons why they vote for donald trump. they wanted america to focus on the economy here at home. they wanted to do something and stuff. there's flood of your legal immigrants coming in because that's an economic issue as well. americans are really more focused on what's happening here. the housing situation is
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a nightmare in america today. people are having trouble due to renting or, or staying in their homes because of the cost. so, you know, we've talked a lot about foreign policy, but i'll tell you that the success of president trump is going to depend on him on him being very dextrous and handling the international matters. so he can focus on the domestic economy. if he's able to do that, will be a successful president, he has a chance to actually be a great president. but, you know, there's a view ported out there is the president's inherit all kinds of policies and, and sometimes the response to the united states happens during another administration. and so i'm hopeful that that will see a mixture of, of engagement and restraint and, uh, towards the establishing a, um, uh, you know, peace negotiations for ukraine. uh, looking at uh to renting in nato's expansion as
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policies which have been devastating for the world of doing something about reviving discussions over nuclear disarmament. for example, that would be a huge development so that we're no longer, we no longer have there's nuclear sort of damocles hanging over the world. there's, there's a lot of progress to be made and i'm optimistic. of course, no pressure never going to be spared criticism. uh for his decisions. but i think the donald trump having had a, an ocean of criticism both publicly and privately, there's probably better portion in most to be able to make decisions without regard to public pressure. and to basically try to do which. right. and you believe he has cabinet members that will question any fake evidence brought to him because you
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mentioned iraq because that was fake intelligence information. i mean, john radcliffe worked with john ashcroft. as i said, monica rubio is the i'm, i don't know what you know, of this national security advisor. and mike, well, it's all it takes is one piece of evidence to get them into a wall with china or ron, isn't it? and that will throw him, of course, from the domestic agenda, or if we will, family to any which any kind of, or any kind of a war would rec, present and trumps domestic agenda. just record. and that doesn't mean that he's going to permit the united states to be vulnerable at all. what it means is that he has a, he has great latitude right now at this point. the question is, how's it going to use it? and i, i'm quite confident and watching him closely over the last few years that he is not going to let any of his appointees just go off and around and do whatever they want on behalf of god knows whatever interest they're gonna have to file a donald trump lead, and if they don't the way out that's,
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that's pretty clear. and just fine, easy going to bring to justice. all those people that will be lying about his 1st time. um, you know, the roger oak steel. don't say, i don't know when he's going to get that m a 6 agent, christie was still done. the people responsible of a fake syria and chemical attacks stories. all those people, i mean, do they not pose a problem for the future of the people that i lied about in being a russian agent? and so they're all bad. they will have jobs, they're all in the firmament of some of them working at legal practices. how are you going to get rid of these people? it will, um, no doubt, be all over the news media that digests trump, or i think what we have to do is get rid of the mindset of fear and suspicion. first, that's a bigger job. and the individuals who have been purveyors of that fair and suspicion with a present into which is not fearful it will make a difference. the those who were promoting russia gave another conspiracy theories
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which proved to be false and their, their punishment. is it that a trump kind of elected anyhow, re elected and how? and i don't, i don't think that it would serve the trump administration well to use the power of their office to essentially try to purge everyone who ever lied about about donald trump or his policies. but i don't, you know, there's a line to that. i always remember in a poem by a shelley called the prometheus on about and it talks about to forgive rugs darker the night. when, when we carry with us this idea of being wrong, then we got to pay back people. that's a burden that weighs heavy on someone's heart and soul. and so to, to free herself of it and basically shape. okay, i know what happened,
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but i'm going to move forward. and in some cases, even i forgive you. but, but really the, the real test of power is to be able to meet all of those in attempts to undermine you and attack you and, and degrade you to meet at all and not go down in bitterness, but the rise of up and to find means of serving the public who elected you? that is because then it's thank you and that's it for the show will be back on monday with doug band that will be full of a special assistant or president roland reagan, and you'll then give it to us by the social media. if it's not sense of your country and i do i channel doing all you guys have your normal, don't come to watch new and old episodes going out the grand scheme of this the there's no end in sight over how you're going to continue to destroy the earth is
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the case of the med, most of the people. i tried to go to the gym, but i'm certainly not ready to fight russia. this is also absurd. this is the 3rd world lunacy re washing, press 4. so the funder line likes to say, we have the tools while we just start with stability and business deals to living on that we have. so that includes propaganda. you know, price here in your i think we don't know the aftermath any time that you're not allowed to ask questions, you should ask all of the questions. some more questions ask a better. the answer is will be the .

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