the, the hello and welcome to was a part of the final week before the change of power in washington has been marked by a flurry of diplomatic activity that shows how differently countries around the world go about building their relationships. some have struck highly detailed deals, others extended slanders of everlasting support. all these with no strings attached . what style of international relations is likely to be more enduring? to discuss that, i'm now joined by lisa sock international relations and corporation specialist at other get states university in russia. that's a lisa. it's great to see you. thank you very much for your time. thanks for having . thank. now we'll leave in

a time when making costs have been forecast about the future seemed to be a sink of the past with major political changes happening on an almost weekly basis . and yet, i mean, it's all based on predictability. just as we reported our interview, russia and the wrong are expected to sign a strategic partnership deal that will govern the relations for the next 20 years. isn't an obsolete to try to come commit to anything, let alone an interest situations on such a long time frame. uh well, uh, this, the comprehensive is throughout the directory to you, which is the site to be signed to today between was signed. you're wrong. we'll replace the previous agreement so that was signed in 2001. however, 2 days a treaty is expected to be more comprehensive and fast or wide. there is no exact information available about the core areas of the treaty. it has been circulated

to through the media that the cooperation will not be limited to military security issues, or either it will be in compasses, a wide range of issues related to economy, transportation, energy sector, finest among, among others. so having said that, it is important to notice that the stablish and long term agreements, and it's in our full life as such as this drastic partnership treaty between wash dry and you want that spawns over 2 decades. got in, has the stability and the predictability. and there are diplomatic, add a call to make interactions. let's all submit the basis somewhat all day to unload the uh, you know, maintaining international relations because we don't see many countries doing something like that at this point of time. it's more about p r. speeches about, you know, loud announcements, but without of any specific details usually leave without any specific details

noted on paper. why do you think russia and the run a doing it at this moment? even though we know from our own sources that this agreement has been in discussion for many, many years for at least 4 years. so it's not all of a sudden that they sign it. but why do you think they are still prefer that form of cooperation? well, it just depends that a, according to the international us, the international community that we live in, looking out to the current international, a u. s. led to order. we can see that the one in russia are facing comprehensive, and a very has the challenges of both the countries are heavily sanctioned, the economy by the us late the international order. so as such, agreements in my opinion will help them to face the mutual challenges concerning the corner make sanctions imposed by the western countries and

u. as in facing these, the common challenges, a long term partnership agreement cast oscillate more effectively coordination of the area for the last year of latino which assigned a similar agreement with north korea. it was also uh, strategic um, all encompassing. it covers many areas, but it's specifically focused on military cooperation with the 2 countries plunging to support the each other in their attack. do you think such agreements in general would provide an effective deterrent against, let's say, theoretical westland strikes or on the contrary, are they more likely to sort of serve as an invitation to, for says that one to undermine those nation? uh well let's be a little bit realistic for, for, for some countries, of course they will see the partnerships, the agreements such as once line to be signed today between your 5 the launch as well as the new 12 defensive treaty between wash. i know story. yeah. last year,

as of the rights to their own security, i think that the, the countries or nations are they are looking at such partnership as off, right? they, they see the word just through a narrow and biased was 1st and most importantly because, eh, they disagree to do the rights of the citizens of these countries who have endured on just economic locates for years. just because these nations have made the server and decisions, it's applied for the words to follow. according to the award, the best order was ultimately serving the interest office specific could. nations why the great things they need sales for the enters and the interest of others. these agreements are wise as the reaction to their hostile actions toward russia threatening it, security and borders. this, do we need to is expansion with your crane beings almost as

a vivid example of these policies. i'm not sure i agree with their 100 percent here, because i think the russian leadership, at least on many occasions, stress the, the reason why the primary reason why they develop relations with other countries in such a format, in such a contractual long term form, others because they believe that's the best way to insure a stability, and that's ultimately in their own interest. it's not just plugging uh, you know, vocal support and doing nothing. it's actually in a painstaking analysis of where the 2 countries can call parade to deliver mutual benefit. and that's a totally different approach to partnership from. let's say um, you know, something that is based on ideological value, is that not underwritten by concrete steps. so, well of course uh any partnership or new state. so that's wants to make such a long term agreement to with other costs, or you should be

a take kind of from their own interest for national interest and national security . this is the primary goal of i need a silver and states in international relations. this is if we are speaking about a normal situation, if we can describe it without being gets the right thing, the from external power. so you get new, you know what i mean. but in the case of russia, with all these mobilization against it and against it's fully c and their attempts to isolate russia a we can explain or we can interpret such partnerships with the north korea and with a launch as a break. and this attempts to isolate russia and putting in a, in a position that is being isolated are all the work. and then that's a and that's a and this is also we can look at the washer and also attempts to break this

kind of ruling. the order was establishment officer breaks, also lovely. some of it, let me ask you about that because i know that you are a specialist on the rush just to use a soft power. and i was wondering if uh, by sticking to this long term detailed agreements. russia is also trying to, um, essentially exemplify what kind of world daughter is, wants to seize. it wants to see if it's something that is based on concrete agreements, where countries actually stick to that words regardless of the political occurrence . why i'm a true design. he is a truth assigned and that it will last but you know, for the time that the, that is specified. do you think that's a form of power projection in any way? first of all, we have the to understand that social power and means that we are using old clients also also so far as for example, like dipped, want to see like, uh, uh,

the, using cultural using cultural, even educational means. and that sense is 2 days a treat to you? well, in compasses, such as the such as domains or areas which is which is the speaking about the cultural mutual exchanges, educational x 2 and exchanges, of course, restaurant is going through using uh, it's all in soft powers and its old me is. and by the way, uh, by doing that for our shop is uh, not only applying still spyware, and it's the external or in the international policy, but it is the restaurant is using what they call it. grants is strategy. ross. strategy means that you are using all the possible means and old tools that you have. so you get the russia, is it trying to make new fly and extend? or it's a international, a tools if we can say which by using not only this of power,

but also rise strategy and dealing all of the current to challenges of the, the complex disease of the international system. i want to contrast rushes attitude to the wars and the promises and the weight of those commitments to uh, the one that was exemplified by the u. k. prime minister, who recently visited keith, plunging in it with hundreds of years of, quote unquote, being with ukraine. to me it sounds like a promise of return. the loss with no strings attached, no commitments made. and i assume, but they are pregnant, people would want to have something more concrete or more specific. what are you seeing? why do you think the west keeps sticking to this very a sudden they're all kind of policy as well. uh that uh, the brady, that you care prime menace service or to your train in such

a critical moments before just if and if you days also trumps the rich to do it to the white house and with the drums to a problem, this is to find a swift and fast to peace or solution for the is it your cranium issue? i could re into that or it, it caught is kind actually reminds me of the a john a boston a visit to your crane in april 2022. if i'm not, if i'm not mistaken, in the days where he was, a lot of the of the party has accused him that he also supported events. the, the, the, that, the piece a, i agree, man, so that it was about to be reached between russia and ukraine. so in that sense, not only u. k, before a few days i a, the german also didn't for him is to also reach to you

a grant to solar defy. and to assure that says that germany also support to support the induct. totally. so this is my exact point. i mean, they, they should make the visits and, you know, today they come in tomorrow they go. but in terms of what the ukraine actually does or what any of the country that falls for these problem is actually receives of still unclear because i assume that you're pregnant. people would want to know, you know, how much money, how much assistance they would receive on the back instruction. you know, how that army will be funded. you know, these are, these are the details that the countries used to put in interest phase agreements. what may have been moreland is the west side of things, the countries towards with the neighbors promising them support for hundreds of years and not actually committing to anything on paper. and uh, what i cannot understand is why do you think some of those nations and their leadership seem to the song spelled bound by these kind of appeals. so by

this kind of promises, i don't know anybody who, who could, or who woods the, reject a piece agreement to reach a piece i agreement, which will bring a towel it see and will bring a reconciliation and reconstruction as you say, to the your brain and it to the, to russia as well and to a combined to rush on and do the ocr union again. so in my opinion, that zelinski by taking these steps by escalation, even before it would be before just a few days of the trunk, comes to the power. as with his own, a promise to talk to you with a, bring a piece to the, the conflict. i mean, he is going, i guess these own people interest and his own people, a sustainability and, and security. or if he is going this through his own personal interest

in that sense, uh, nobody can explain it, find an explanation to this, the steps, the escalation steps, either that he is going just for his own interest as his own personal interest. and that may be business, we don't know. okay, well, that's at least that we have to take a very short break right now, but we will be back in just a few moments. stay tuned. the and there's no end in sight over how you're going to continue to destroy the earth . is the case for the med, most of the people. i tried to go to the gym, but i'm certainly not ready to fight russia. this is also a pursuit. this is the 3rd world lunacy re washing press for so the funder line likes to say we have the tools while we just start with stability and business

deals. what are you living on that we have very good stuff again that you know price here in your i think we don't know the aftermath any time that you're not allowed to ask questions, you should ask all of the questions. some more questions ask the better, the answer is will be the welcome back to wells. the parts with lisa soc, international relations and corporation specialist as either guess, state university and in russia. that's at least and we started our conversation by discussing the treaty between russia and iran, but there is an other deal in the making or supposedly already assigned the one on the ceasefire in, in gaza, mediated by her todd egypt and the united states. the bottom administration pushed

a lot for this deal. it was sort of uh, discussed uh, behind closed doors, but on a very short time scheme, what's the orientation? is it likely to succeed? well, i did the cut that announced yesterday the success of the collective efforts of egypt to ed thing. carter to reach temporary cease fire agreements in gaza between who's already learned how much. well, h is the, a 3 stages used by your, with the many details supposed to be implemented on the 19th january. and it's a start to, of course, with this 6 weeks of temporary, these uh, features and also the surgery or operations by both parties. and in my opinion, uh, the likelihood of the, the agreement success as sustainability is a promising, especially considering the batch of doing a trump will soon take office as a,

knowing these not in favor of starting his term with conflict. he has words also and promised a hell of to me, to least in case open up the reaching this kind office these fire. and here we sold that to just to be for a few days of going through. he is the, to the white house, the 15 mazda is of the war has come to the, to be sided. so in my opinion, of the timing of the disagreements indicates that so both parties have reached a stage in which we call it in conflict. and we're studying ethic, peak estate, how much cons offered to, to be any more stubborn. and it's a visa is unlikely to impose majors more severe than adults or id to experience in that started. and because of the i to these factors to the existence of the stronger power, lots of goods on and to the conflict and it gets a ceasefire. so literally you're, you said that the,

you believe the base conflict has we should speak that, but for now, the discussion is primarily on the ceasefire on the release of these very least hostages and the palestinian detainees. but there is no discussion about the historical uh and political agreements of the palestinians. where do you think it leads the main question of smile on this conflict? i think that to trump is going to uh to initiate or launch a piece of pro. so it's a cord or i p, so process the initiate of it. that's what would be announced by the us for the media. least of basically to find as a sole lights and final solution for is why you and full s t m poured a sports. i don't think that to him us will be a will come to the participants in this upcoming political line to escape the pl

a senior and author t is also weekends by it's already internal divisions, a s o, in my opinion, we might see a new faces in the future, in negotiations, it's will proceed without the presence of the, the figures to who has instigated the conflict. especially suggesting that to me it's in the whole himself and his extreme is over his the a make stream is governments and may be also side the line did the data. however, a piece of process will be launched under a trump administration, like abraham accord for a new law. i think it will be the basis of these process, which is basically a piece for piece a for the lot piece by force, which might include on relevant parties in mid to lease. so basically the conference may also involve a representative of from the photos to noon on thursday may be leaving and also

will be coming along as soon. yeah. as well. the one thing i noticed over the last couple of weeks since the election of trump is that there is barely any mention of all the you and the resolutions on the palestinian question. do you think any of those resolutions which are still considered to be part of the international law panel, inducing base to bear any significance at this point? well, in my own opinion, that you are the resolutions are a similar to doing this. a gauge meant and observe or forces. and for example, the cdn goal on heights. so there where international observation courses and tasked with the monitoring this situation. however, after the fall of, i thought we saw that how it's the, it's a, it's a, here's some sources less of a, a, a. and because it's right in high sees the implementation of they just engagement agreements

and, and vi did subsequently ecu part the entire city of car. nicer. all. what did they you way in peacekeeping force do they, they didn't, they couldn't do anything regarding that. therefore, i believe that the discussions about the u. n. nation's and it's f. a legation organization should include considerations about the need of re considering that the construction in the international system itself. that has to be needed since the 2nd a word word reforming the united nation is on earth to is the 34 building and you multi pull or order which can address address, sorry, such as issues like the policy and cause that you have mentioned. now uh i gather that you are not very optimistic on the prospects of the palestinian space as you are not, uh, you don't seem to be uh that optimistic on the return of the goal on hives to,

to serious. but uh, that would suggest the be the policy of, of israel and the united states pursued for so many data. and the policy of, for is the policy of bloodshed, the policy of a big tad uncompromising, dictated that it has succeeded. so we can say that it has to be inspected, the succeeded may be temporary, and the car is according to the current event and the trajectory of the events. so that's we could see as since the 7th of october, 2023. i mean the, the whole, the bulk of the people who were supporting what they called it, the resistance of thrones. they were often mistaken that this came uh, 7th, october we'll bring some just to the palistine in close. but what will happen then? there are 3 cushions also that is sold that it's, it's a roll. could be opposites a the, the, the exactly opposite, the desired all calm look odd to that resistance. so from now, i mean is it,

there is no around, look at how mosse and, and god's all, what happened top of things off. it's all of us leaders, erosion, both of these drinks and also how much in, in the, in augusta and living on the same scenario. we could see that's a, is there, a manager to top all the, the 1st as sick on the top as the leaders. and most importantly has enough to allow himself in syria, the adult or we deem it was be, it has been the top pulse. i mean, and looking at you won the e one is the left a alone again in the, in this are we not? well, this is actually one of the biggest questions in global politics in the year of to 1000 a 25. what will happen between israel and iran, whether israel, emboldened by its advances in syria, we'll go ahead with direct stripes against

a rainy and nuclear facilities or whether iran will continue. it's policy of a very, sort of public belligerence towards the west, towards the israel. i served there for either the trump administration, all of these really government and over its pre tax for attacking them. how do you use this thing? these 2 nations will sort of navigate that animosity, and these new circumstances won the prize of escalating itself high. the 1st of all, to answer this question, we must recognize that is right. we know today is not the same as the one existed, the prior to october 7. as this following is this, say, date is right. you backed by the u. s. has to be operating in the media least with dial to regard for international law for a human wides, even global public opinion. they don't see any all of these. they know one thing

that october offense of has a pool is a significant threat to is there are in existence. so given the statements, so from is right, you offer shows part degree from newton, yahoo, himself, it seems for me that it is reasonable to believe that is why you indeed did turn in mind to target you want. however, it looks like it will targets for a my own opinion. the hold he's backed by you want in yemen 1st to predict itself. so from i need a potential a strikes to from other directory. so the question here is not whether is or not you has the car is just like you want or not. the question is how and when will do that? let's just forget that that is right, has a gone a long way destroying how much has the law and asked idea, syria to reach you want in the ends, right? so, so, so uh, but how and when this,

nobody can predict what we can see. uh and uh uh, if we wanna answer that question, we could, we can look up from all the data and all the evidence that it's happening around us of it seems that is right. you and you know, the interactive, the states are in favor of for redeem it. change the now you, that's, it happens with assets similar might be applied in the you want as well, where iranian governments may a, therefore, become a targets for internal. it just symbolized station a, with the airports to meet to mobilize, the countries opposition forces to drive the change from within. so by weakening give ron a from within and exerting economy pressure, is it all those little additional sanctions? the, the ways to might aim to exert a to exert concessions of from, in iran, in regards of it's in your clear program. essentially the goal is to

a clip. it was a close and surprise that a, from it's a strategic influence making. it's more the more version of those 2 x during the amount of pollution and subs due to, to internationally a force stage strategy by the way, have applied in syria and have succeeded. well, i'm the instructor to they tried to applied to russia, but it has not succeeded the yet. and hopefully with countries like russia, china, and the global majority that actually wants to leave by international law that is in favor of long term cooperation that it is in favor of agreement. is that a sign to be upheld? i hope this sort of scenario you're describing will not realize itself, but we will have to wait and see dr. lisa, we have to leave it there. thank you very much for being with us. thanks for having

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