the, the hello and welcome to worlds a part of the final week before the change of power in washington has been marked by a flurry of diplomatic activity that shows how differently countries around the world go about building their relationships. some have struck highly detailed deals, others extended slanders of everlasting supports, all these with no strings attached. what style of international relations is likely to be more enduring? to discuss that, i'm now joined by lisa sock international relations and cooperation specialist at abigail state university in russia. that's the lisa. it's great to see you. thank you very much for your time. thanks for having me. now we'll leave in a time when i'm making confidence forecasts about the future seemed to be

a sink of the past with major political changes happening on an almost weekly basis . and yet, i mean, it's all based on predictability. just as we record our interview, russia and the wrong are expected to sign a strategic partnership deal that will govern the relations for the next 20 years. isn't an obsolete to try to come commit to anything, let alone an interest that relations on such a long timeframe. uh well, uh, this the comprehensive as director director to read to you, which is the site to be signed to today between was signed. you're wrong. we'll replace the previous agreement so that was signed in 2001. however, 2 days a treaty is expected to be more comprehensive and fast. well, while there is no exact information available about the poor areas of the treaty, it has been circulated to through the media that the cooperation will not be

limited to military security issues or other it's will be in compasses, a wide range of issues related to economy transportation energy sector finance among, among others. so having said that, it is important to notice that the stablish and long term agreements and international relations such as this drastic partnership treaty between washer i do want that sponsor over 2 decades. got in, has the stability and the predictability. and there are diplomatic ad, they call them make interactions. let's also admit the basis uh, somewhat all day to unload the uh, you know, maintaining international relations because we don't see many countries doing something like that at this point. of time it's more about p r, speeches about, you know, loud announcements, but without of any specific details, usually without any specific details noted on paper. why do you think russia and

the run of doing it at this moment, even though we know from our own sources, that disagreement has been in discussion for many, many years for at least 4 years. so it's not all of a sudden that they sign it, but why do you think they still prefer it? that's form of cooperation. so well, this depends that according to the international us, a international community that we live in, looking out to the current international, a u. s. laid order. we can see that c e one and russia are facing comprehensive and a very has the challenges of both the countries are heavily sanction economy by the us, late the international order. so as such agreements, in my opinion, a will help them to face the mutual challenges concerned economic sanctions imposed by the western countries and u. s. in facing these, the common challenges,

a long term partnership agreement can start to late more effectively coordination of the area for the last year of latino which assigned a similar agreement with north korea. it was also uh, strategic, an old, encompassing. and it covers many areas, but it's specifically focused on military cooperation with the 2 countries plunging to support the each other in their attack. do you think such agreements in general would provide an effective deterrent against, let's say, say a radical westland strikes, or on the contrary? are they more likely to sort of serve as an invitation to, for says that one to undermine those nation? well, let's be elated that a realistic for, for, for some countries of course, they will see the partnerships, the agreements such as once the line to be signed today between or 5 the launch as well as the new 12 defense. a treaty between washington and north korea last year

as us rights to their own security. i think that the, the conference or nations are they are looking at such partnership as a threat. they, they see the word dissolute, can narrow and bias less 1st and most importantly, because eh, they disagree to do the rights of the citizens of these countries who have endured on just the corner. they could locate for years, just because these nations have made silver and decisions. it's applied for the words to follow according to the award the best order was ultimately serving the interest of a specific could. nations why the great things they need to else of interest and the interest of others? these agreements are wise as the reaction to their hostile actions toward russia, to the right and get security and borders the so we need to as expansion with your crane beings, almost as a vivid example of these policies. i'm not sure i agree with their 100 percent here

because i think uh, the russian leadership, at least on many occasions, stressed that the reason why the primary reason why they develop relations with other countries in such a format, in such a contractual long term form others because they believe that's been the best way to insure a stability, and that's ultimately in their own interest. it's not just plugging uh, you know, vocal support and doing nothing. it's actually in a painstaking analysis of where the 2 countries can call parade to deliver a mutual benefit. and that's a totally different approach to partnership from. let's say, uh, you know, something that is based on ideological value, is that not underwritten by concrete steps. well, of course, a new partnership or new state. so that's wants to make such a long term agreement with the other concert. it should be a kind of from their own interest for national interest and national security. this

is the primary goal. as of, i need a silver and states in international relations. this is if we are speaking about a normal situation, if we can describe it without being gets the right thing, the from external power. so you get new, you know what i mean. but in the case of russia, with all these mobilize ation against it and against it's fully see and their attempts to isolate russia. a we can explain, or we can interpret such partnerships with the north korea and with a launch as a break in this attempts to isolate russia and putting in a, in a position that is being isolated are all the work. and then that's a and that's a and this is also we can look at the washer and also attempts to break this kind of ruling. the order was establishment. all for breaks out. so lovely. some of

that, let me ask her about that because i know that you are a specialist on the rushes to use a soft power. and i was wondering if, by sticking to this long term details, the grievance, russia is also trying to on essentially exemplify what kind the world daughter is, wants to seize. it wants to see if, you know something that is based on concrete agreements, where countries actually stick to that words regardless of the political occurrence, while a treaty assigned means of truth assigned. and that it will last but you know, for the time that the, that is specified. do you think that's a form of power projection in any way? first of all, we have the to understand that soft power and means that's we are using all kinds of, of so, so far worse, for example, like dips on, i see like, uh, uh, the, using cultural, using cultural,

even educational means in that sense if 2 days a treaty well in compasses such as the such as domains or areas which is which is the speaking about the cultural mutual exchanges, educational x 2 and exchanges. of course, restaurant is going through using its own soft powers and its old me is. and by the way, by doing that for our shot is the not only applying still spyware, and it's the external or into international policy. but it, in russia, is using what they call it grants strategy. ross strategy means that you are using all the possible means and old tools that you will have. so you get the russia, is it trying to make new fly and extend the old? it's an international of tools if we can say which by using not all lead us of

power, but also i was strategy and dealing all of the current to challenges of the, the complex disease of the international system. i want to contrast rushes attitude to the wars and the promises and the weight of those commitments to uh, the one that was exemplified by the u. k. prime minister, who recently visited keith, plunging in it with a 100 years of, quote unquote, being with the a crane to me, it sounds like a promise of return. the loss with no strings attached, no commitments made. and i assume that they are pregnant people would want to have something more concrete or more specific what they're saying, why they think the west keeps sticking to these very a sudden they're all kind of policy as well as the british they, you care from minister visit to your brain in such a critical moments before just isn't if you days also trumps the rich to do it to

the white house and with the drums to a problem. this is to find a swift and fast to peace or solution for the is it your cranium? issue i to dream to that or it, it kind of, it's kind actually reminds me of the, a john a boston a visit to your crane in april 2022. if i'm not, if i'm not mistaken, in the days where he was, a lot of the of the party has accused him that he also supported it. that's the, the, the, that the piece a, i agree man. so that it was about to be reached between russia and ukraine. so in that sense, not the only u. k. before a few days i a, the german also edition for him is to also reach. do you agree to solar defy

and to assure that says that germany also supports the induct. totally. so this is mike, like point. i mean they, they should make the visits and, you know, today they come in tomorrow they go. but in terms of what the ukraine actually does or what any other country that falls for these problem is actually receives of still unclear because i assume that you're pregnant. people would want to know, you know, how much money, how much assistance they would receive on the construction. you know, how that army will be funded. you know, these are, these are the details that the countries used to put in interest based agreements. what may have been moreland is the west side of things, the countries to wars with the neighbors, promising them support for hundreds of years and not actually committing to anything on paper. and what i cannot understand is why do you think some of those nations in their leaderships seem to the song spell bound by these kind of

appeals. so by this kind of promises, i don't know anybody who, who could or who would reject a peace agreement to reach up. you said 3 minutes, which will bring a towel it see and will bring a reconciliation and reconstruction as you say, to the your brain as to the, to which russia as well and to a, combined to rush on and do the ukrainian again. so in my opinion, that zelinski by taking these steps by escalation, even before it would be before just a few days of the trunk, comes to the power. as with his own, a promise to talk to you with a, bring a piece to the, the conflict. i mean, he is going against his own people interest and his own people, a sustainability and, and security. or if he is going this through his own personal interest,

in that sense, a nobody can expect to find on explanation to this. this tips the escalation steps either that he is going just for his own interest as his own personal interest ad, the may be business, we don't know. okay, well that's at least that we have to take a very short break right now, but we will be back in just a few moments. stay tuned. the take a fresh look around is life kaleidoscopic, isn't just a shifted reality distortion, but how of tired vision with no real opinions fixtures, design system, the file confused to really was

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welcome back to wells, the parts with lisa, it's ok international relations and corporation specialist at either get state university and in russia. that's at least and we started our conversation by discussing the treaty between russia and iran, but there is an other deal in the making or supposedly already assigned the one on the ceasefire in, in gaza, mediated by her todd egypt and the united states. the bottom administration pushed a lot for this deal. it was sort of uh, discussed uh, behind closed doors, but on a very short time scheme, what's the orientation? is it likely to succeed? well, i did the cut that announced yesterday the success of the collective efforts of

egypt to a thing carter to each temporary cease fire agreements in gaza, which we knew was originally and how much? well h is the a 3 stages. these fire with the many details supposed to be implemented on the i see january is the start of course, with this 6 weeks often varies. these uh, features and also the um, their jury or operations by both parties. and in my opinion, uh, the likelihood of the, the agreement stock says sustainability is a promising, especially considering the batch of doing a trump will soon take office at the is knowing these not in favor of starting his term, what conflict he has were and also, and promised hello to me to lease the case open up. so reaching this kind offer ceasefire. and here we sold that to just to before a few days ago,

going through his the, to the white house. the 15 month is of the war has come to the to be side. and so in my opinion, of the timing of the disagreements indicates that so both parties have reached a stage in which we call it, in conflict. and for studies of 50 stage, how much cons offered, so to be anymore a stubborn it's a visa is unlikely to impose majors more severe than adults already. the experience in that started and because of the i to these factors to the existence of the stronger power well, to puts on and to the conflict and it gets a ceasefire. so literally you said that the, you believe the base conflict has, we should speak that, but for now, the discussion is primarily on the cease fire on the release of these rarely hostages and the palestinian detainees. but there is no discussion about the historical uh,

political agreements of the palestinians. where do you think it leads the main question of smile on this conflict? i think that to trump is going to uh to initiate or launch a piece of pro. so it's a chord for i p. so process the initiate of that's what would be announced by the us for them to least a basically to find as a sole lights and final solution for is why you and full s t m poured a sports. i don't think that the home us would be a we're come to the participants in this upcoming political line to escape the police senior and officer. t is also weekends by. it's already internal divisions, a s o, in my opinion, we might see a new faces in the future and negotiations. it's will proceed without the presence

of the, the figures to who has instigated the conflict. especially suggesting that to me it's in the whole himself and his extreme is over his the a mix stream is governments and may be also side the line did that. however, a piece of process will be launched under a trump administration. like abraham accord for a new law, i think it will be the basis of these process, which is basically a piece for piece a for the lot piece by force, which might include on relevance parties and mid to lease. so basically the conference may also involve a representative of from the photos to noon on thursday may be leaving and also will be come along as soon. yeah. as well. one thing i noticed over the last couple of weeks since the election of trump is that there is barely any mention of all the you and the resolutions on the palestinian question. do you think any of those

resolutions which are still considered to be part of the international law panel? do you think they still there and it's the goodness that comes at this point. well, in my own opinion that you are the resolutions are a similar to the way a disengagement and observer forces. and for example, interest, you didn't go on high. so there where international observation forces attached to with the monitoring this situation. however, after the fall of, i thought we saw that, how is it the here are some sources less of a, a, a and because it's right in high sees the implementation of they just engagement agreements and, and vi did subsequently occupied the entire city of car nicer all, what did they, you in peacekeeping force? do they, they didn't, they couldn't do anything regarding that. therefore, i believe that the discussions about the u. n. nation's and it's f,

a legation organization should include considerations about the need of recourse do during the re, uh, construction in the international system itself. that has to be needed since the 2nd a words were re, for me, the united nation is on earth to is the $34.00 building. and you multi pull or order which can address address, sorry, such as 2 issues like the policy and cause that you have mentioned now. uh i gather that you are not very optimistic on the prospect of the palestinian space as you are not. uh, you don't seem to be uh that optimistic on the return of the goal and hives to, to syria. but uh, that would suggest that the, the policy of, of israel and the united states pursuit for so many dickens the policy of, for, is the policy of bloodshed, the policy of the big pad uncompromising dictated that it has succeeded. so we

can say that it has to be inspected at the succeed, it may be temporary in the car and according to the current events and the trajectory of the events. so that's we could see as since the 7th of october, 2023. i mean the, the whole, the bulk of the people who were supporting what they called it, the resistance of thrones. they were often mistake that this came a 7th october. we'll bring some just to the pull a scene in close. but what will happen then? there are 3 cushions also that is sold that it's, it's a roll. could be opposites a the, the, the exactly opposite, the desired all calm look odd to that resistance. so from now, i mean is it, there is no around, look at how mosse and, and god's all what happened top of things off. it's almost leaders, erosion and also the steering stain of how much in, in the, in augusta and living on the same scenario. we could see that say, is there

a manager to top all the, the 1st as sick on the top as the leaders. and most importantly has enough to allow himself in syria the adult or we deem it was speed. it has been the top pulse. i mean, and looking at you won the e one is the left uh, um, alone again in the, in this arena. well, uh, this is actually one of the biggest questions in global politics in the year of to 1000 a 25. what will happen between israel and iran and whether israel, emboldened by its advances in syria, we'll go ahead with direct stripes against a rainy and nuclear facilities or whether iran will continue it's policy. uh, also a very sort of public belligerence towards the west, towards the israel, and serve therefore, either tomba, administration,

all of these rarely governments and over its pre tax for attacking them. how do you use these things? these 2 nations will sort of navigate that animosity, and these new circumstances won the prize of escalating itself. hi. first of all, to answer this question, we must recognize. that is why you, we know today is not the same as the one existed prior to october 7. as the following, this say date is right, you backed by the u. s. has to be operating in the media, least with dial to regard for international law for a human wides. even global public opinion. they don't see any, all of these. they know one thing that october offense of has posed a significant threat to is there are in existence. so given the statements of from is right, you offer shows, particularly from you to the whole himself. it seems for me that it is reasonable to believe that is why you indeed did turn in mind to target you want. however,

it looks like it will target before a my own opinion, the hold he's backed by you want in yemen 1st to predict itself. so from i need a potential, a strikes the from other directory. so the question here is not whether it's not you has the car, it's just like you want or not. the question is how and when will do that? let's just forget that that is right. has a gone a long way, destroying how much has the law and asked idea, syria to reach you want in the ends. right? so, so, so uh, but how and when this, nobody can predict what we can see. uh and uh, uh, if we want to answer that question, we could, we can look up from both the data and all the evidence that it's happening around us as it seems, that is right. you and, you know, even i to the states are in favor of for redeem it. change the now you that's,

it happens with assets similar might be applied in the you want as well, where iranian governments may a, therefore, become a targets for internal just to belie station with the airports to meet, to mobilize, the countries opposition forces to drive the change from within so by we can get you ron of, from within and exerting economy pressure. is it all those little additional sanctions? the, the ways to might aim to exert a to exert concessions of from, in iran, in regards of it's in your clear program. essentially, the goal is to a clip, it was a close and surprise it uh, from its strategic influence making. it's more the more version of those 2 x during the amount of pollution and subs due to, to internationally

a 4th stage strategy by the way, have applied in syria and have succeeded. so, well, i'm the instructor to they tried to applied to russia, but it has not succeeded the yet. and hopefully with countries like russia, china and the global majority that actually wants to leave by international law that is in favor of long term cooperation. data is in favor of agreement, is that a sign to be upheld? i hope this sort of scenario you're describing will not realize itself, but we will have to wait and see dr. lisa, we have to leave it there. thank you very much for being with us. thanks for having me. and thank you for watching hope. the searing, young on worlds are part of the, the, the,

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