some interesting proclamations about what he will or will not do so, but i'm going to be an orthodox here and started kind of in reverse. mark is widely said, then whoever the american people vote for and they get john mccain. we have john mccain coming in the office. i actually would say no, there may be an attempt by the neo con and when i say that i use it in the, the so we say the modern bi partisan sense of the word. it's no longer a truly conservative, but those committed to us a gemini and primacy around the world. they may try to manipulate trump as they quite openly and clearly did. so according to john bolton's memoirs, manipulate him back into that position. but i don't think that he sees international relations and geo politics through that prism. in fact,

i think he whatever we may think about his uh, conclusions and solutions, i think he's correctly identified. the problem is that the us is suffering from an enormous amount of we might have previously said imperial overreach. now we might say hedge a monic overreach. it can no longer afford to be the what it calls the police man of the world, or the military dictate or of the world. and it needs to prioritize and come to grips with the world of rising great powers. now trump's solutions to that is, is another question entirely, but i think he's, he's, i correctly identified the problem that the pursuit of a gemini and the benefits of it, of the cost far outweigh the benefits to the united states today. so

him and those around them have correctly identified the problem. the next question is, what is donald trump vision and solution? yeah, i mean, i think, and george mark really is it centered on the most important point in germany. and it's really basically how to maintain it. now we've, we've had, in the past, we've had this a liberal order that has been used as a psychological cover. and what we've seen over the last few weeks for an incoming president is, you know, refreshingly, a little bit of realism. realism can be used towards maintaining hit gemini as well . i mean, the instant the same thing. it says dressed up in a different way, and george. so i think so, and i think that's why it's so difficult really to get a handle on what's likely to come from the trump administration. that's a trump really sees his next 4 years as

a kind of civilizational renew. well, i mean, he's going, he's going for broke. he was a really make his mark on the world. and he wants america to get back to some vague idea of what it was. so he really is, this is very important for him to think, but somehow a mirror and they'll be able to kind of cultural renewal of america. that's why it was significant. but he pointed these 3 of elderly hollywood sizes. he's emissaries through hollywood because i think he's gonna see if he sees that as bob of his civilizational rejuvenation, i'm proud of that, i think, is his notion of going back to some idea of what america was before in a box on world war 2. and even before the embark on this a, all the cold war is global alliances. and that's why i think he's looking where really adds that you particularly the post cold war era of really you can is

getting this globalism entangling alliances. um, creating this uh, you know, in this a liberal world, all the rooms based on the policing, the walls and essentially getting entangled with every single country's internal affairs. so, so this is gonna work and whatever happens anywhere is somehow a crisis with the united states. he wants to get away from them. they just simply focus on what is important for the united states. the problem is, is that it's easier said than done and all the presidents. i've also thought about that and you know, it's a, you know, because of the way back to richard nixon and, you know, those. yeah, well, we have to just focus on what's important for us. you can just simply, you know, dissipate our energy on, on pointless conflicts. so i think it's going to be a challenge. and i think is mark points out there are those that he's could surrounded himself with many of you know what the neo cons intervention is. look to mccain, e x, what it's determined to continue as before. yeah, well i'm asked me,

the argument would be made the animal made against trump in a, in a matter of months, days maybe hours after he takes office, is that, well, there's a certain way of doing business and presidents. well they come and go. but we have an established approach to governing the world to hedge them. i mean, we've seen this movie before. trump did try it and it made me pulling out of trips from syria. and the easiest example, or i'm making a bold overturn and north korea. we all know how these things ended. why is that going to be different this time? okay, so 1st of all, let's, let's address a, a interesting point that the george brought up about trump, diplomatic, shall we say, sensibilities of sending mel gibson to be the diplomat. the rest of hollywood that either indicates the drums, diplomatic sensibilities are very poor,

or that he's throwing hollywood the collective big middle finger, which, which i think is probably closer he's, he's effectively trolling hollywood and letting them know who's in charge. i think that's more to the point. george also made a good point that the dovetails. and so what you asked is that previous presidents, although not quite in the same way, have also previously within living memory, committed to a kind of re prioritization of the united states. over its foreign policy and taking george w bush promised the same thing. and then he immediate, his administration immediately set about trying to remake the middle east. bill clinton did the same thing and then ended up getting the car voting up of serbia in, in the middle of europe as well as getting entangled elsewhere around the world. so there is an orthodoxy of foreign policy, right?

and this is, you know, clearly decided on, you know, ben rhodes called at the blog, you can call it the deep state, you can call it the permanent bureaucracy. but these are the real people that decide us for and in military policy. and they are not elected and they don't go away, certainly not very easily. victoria newland is no longer part of the administration, but she has almost certainly a key constituent part of the blog and her husband kagan just reminded us of that with an article, the cry, trump position on ukraine going forward. so i think that actually this is probably going to consume a great deal of the trump presidency over the next few years as he tries to book that foreign policy orthodoxy. that deep states, they are going to resist. they are going to try to manipulate him and implemented

relation fails, it will become outright warfare. and we saw what happened to the last president who promised the scatter, the c i a to the wins he's a, shall we say, quickly exited the presidential scene. so i've often described trump as a chaos bomb and it's all a kind of like a bouncing betsy, one that goes in multiple different directions. and right now it looks like that chaos bomb is going off. and one on the transatlantic relationship with threats about annex in a greenland in canada and re taking the panama canal. you know that that more an effect on south american relations, per se, but also inside the beltway. and i think that's where trump's real fight, where he's real conflict of his ministration, may end up as in dc as he attempts to take on the blog. and that is

going to be a rough ride for well trump, everyone but outside powers may well decide to see that that is a point that they can take advantage of and exploit the situation. so george, what are you putting your money on the blog or trump? well, his history would suggest that the blah blah will prevail. i mean, you know, the trump, so far he got off to a reasonable stop. he weighed in on the middle east. he applied pressure on the net in the end he demonstrated to everybody that the previous administration could have done far more than it actually did to restrain israel. and, and that is a hopeful sign because, you know, and if we could look back on history, actually, if republicans have been the only ones will actually ever apply to any pressure against israel, you know, going all the way back goes to eisenhower. and so,

you know, blood drilling is relatively strong to sign i, we know that reagan getting on the phone to him and not him begging or, you know, telling him to knock it off. even the hapless george w bush said at one point that enough is enough. and before his fame is a road map that eventually led to kind of a serious piece negotiation of the old met piece plan. so, you know, trump is actually to get them following, and the tradition of republicans will actually, you know, apply some pressure on israel. any drum demonstrated, well, he can do it. the question is, will he persist with this? because he is going to come under a great deal of pressure, and it's already being applied against him. you know, to knock it off. same thing. what will happen with the ukraine. he's currently outlining some kind of a vision of bringing this the thing to an end. now it does offer a lot of steps along the way and with the heat. they will definitely be an enormous

effort, both in washington and brussels in london to slaughter any attempt on trump spot to uh, bring this uh a what blower and ukraine to an end. well, i want to talk about you cleaning the 2nd half of the pro brandon marketing. the may, it is possible that the piece feelers, a plan will be put up and it's all a smoke screen because i know they can hand. and then they're going just to double down that somebody knows of units like, you know, the last legs. it's almost over, you're all wrong, and my guess here are going to make that point. when we come back from our break gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on problems for policy. stay with our to the russian states. never as tight as i'm so one of the most on screen and the best i

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it's not the end of anything. it may be me in the beginning, but this is a picture of this is a, a situation that is far more complex. it's easy is take away and i got away in, okay, that's if that's if that's what public relations is all about. and we all know that trump is interested in only lands, however, that is defined, but i want to go to mark, i want to go back to ukraine. well, as seen from the benchmarks and moving out and down from 24 hours, it's got to be taken all be taken care of and you bring the for the, you know, duration now it's a 100 days, it's 6 months. so kind of echoing what we said in the 1st part of the program. i'm sorry, i'm going to have to express by sky skepticism the foreign policy, bob, the, the state, whatever we want to call it, they're not going to give him a win here. mark. yeah, 1st of all, i was just going to ask, beg me for being a,

you know, permission to be a cynic and a skeptic on trump suddenly bringing peace to the middle east suite. of course they'll know what kind of leverage, what kind of carrots and sticks kind of if we draw close. oh, and yeah, we don't, we don't know what the story is, but if anyone thinks that netanyahu is cowled, and then suddenly going to curl over and show his stomach to donald trump. i very much have doubts whether the ceasefire will last 24 hours or, or you know, at least a couple of days into trumps administration. and there's already signs of, you know, coming from the, the yahoo administration that, that, you know, that i haven't seen that. they've actually seized their strikes a guy. so let's, let's put it that way. but, you know, but at least he made an attempt that made his well known as, as you said, as to ukraine. yeah. there's so much input this behind this. and there's no question that trump one doesn't like vicky evergreen's leadership. you know, either the previous one or, or this one,

he regards them as his domestic political enemies in the united states because of the way they quite so stupidly and heavy handedly weighed in to us domestic politics on the issue. and the clumsy attempts to manipulate it, master words are transparent, even i think, to trump. and he's certainly thinks that so are you not in us is uh, is, you know, like it was show we say red lines strategic interest. he thinks it's a waste of money. he also has nothing but contempt for the majority of western political leaders in europe, who are the biggest, you know, a crusaders in this particular measure. and, and that, that brings up here all the obstacles to this. one of them has already been launched by one of trump's political enemies, the prime minister of the united kingdom care stormer, who evidently sent political operatives to the united states to campaign

effectively for joe biden. really don't move there, but he was just in care of and citing a largely rhetorical and substance list are in year commitment. security guaranteed to you. great. and that really doesn't actually say much at all. he's attempting to one, continue the western process of uh, you know, listing his leg in urinating on t as a, as western geo political territory. but it's also a direct shot at the trump administration. your think you're going to pull out of this? i don't think so. um, so he's that this is definitely intended as an obstacle or what you know, of course, a signal to russia, but also a signal to the trump administration. and these western political leaders. they are committed to this conflict and they are very upset. they were upset during the 1st trump administration. they expressed joy at the return of the head human to form

under joe biden. and they are furious at being put in the same position again. they believe in us lead western global germany more than the us president does, and they're going to try to rope him back into the ukraine conflict. whatever he may think about it or not. you know, tell my mark brings up such an excellent point. and when he comes to ukraine, a trump is going to be traveling, america's a lion's partners, and the beltway. and where the negotiations come in with the russians, that's way down there, right? i mean, it is actually a low priority because he has to get through this entangling alliance system. that is, you know, and we've all talked about how that is so counterproductive to the national interest of all members of this alliance, not just the united states. and so i'm just going to have to battle a bi partisan commitment in congress and let alone the in transients that he's

going to have in the defense department, the state department, etc. me to this. and the reason this battle is far more complex than a mainstream left or right media is presenting at george. so i think it's going to be extremely difficult. and then if you have to then oswell, how far is trump or bad to confront the bureaucracy and to confront isn't a delilah is now you've got these. um, nato people. my crown and the rest of them were eager to send in european forces into ukraine. now, this is all of cause nonsensical because trump himself knows what if you're going to send in your a p and forces. that's just a mechanism for drawing austin. because if you're going to solve f, then you're going to come come begging to us as a all that help us out and help us out. and in any case,

even the whole idea of deploying european forces with the emperor requires american logistics in a, you know, the american a lift and maybe they're not going to be able to do it themselves. so trump knows that this is, this is a, a here really a, you know, point i think l is the, the or bins are offering. oh, you don't have to do it, you know, we'll do it. um, so what i think is likely to happen. i think trump and then you know, and marco ruby ever suggested as some others have suggested, he's going to offer some version of mints. great. let's phrase the conflict. and um, you know, we'll put off the nato membership and talk when they to a membership and to me and definitely the future. and uh, and then maybe we can talk about some kind of partial sanctions really give me just to sweeten the pot a little bit. i don't think it's gonna work. i mean, i think this is the, i don't think there's anything here for the russians. i don't use anything, even

a ukraine. those are seeing this as in, in any way and beneficial europeans are going to resist. and then i think for a few months, i think it was little dry going for a few months. i think trunk will have to then decide, well what, what do i do now? and i think that's the moment that the pressure will arise as a, well, you need to escalate, you know, you need to, you really need to show built in who's the boss. you really need to show that somebody that because that's the only way you can get food into the ocean. are you doing today when you're not going to get in there? but by offering him um, sanctions really the sweetening the thoughts. you're gonna really get tough with him and i have to believe trump will go down that path. unfortunately, i have to be more given with george just said is which is absolutely spot on, in my opinion. yeah. except the, the next few months is going to be a discussion on a dialogue, a monologue among western stakeholders. and all of this we haven't even mentioned, we know what the russian position is. it's been a clear over and over and over again. i kinda, and that's

a point to the starting negotiations, but we're not even there. we're not even there right now. it's going to be trumped against the nato countries, members of the leadership in europe and, and, and the people that durable. and just to warn him, like they did in his 1st administration, i think george's right escalation is virtually inevitable. yeah, absolutely. i think that the georgia spot on that um, you know, the rush oh, you know, we'll probably, we'll have discussions with the trump administration. certainly. and it's very likely that you know, from what we've heard, that the trump will actually want to meet with quote, and then they'll talk and they'll say, you know, hey, it's really nice that we can sit down and actually talk to each other. again, there's a lot of things in the world we need to discuss and have dialogue on. but as for your proposals, you know, for you, okay, and you're on the losing side of this conflict, we detect that we direct the terms, not you. right?

and if you're not willing to agree to our terms, which we've made clear, you can continue to talk amongst yourselves all you want. but meanwhile, we're going to continue. uh, you know, creating facts on the, on the ground on the battlefield, which we're doing increasingly. and so that the cries will be in washington to escalate to de escalate to show strength. right? and that's how they will try to manipulate and rope them into it goes to european leaders and within his own the neo cons in his own administration of weight. so there is a plethora, and the rest of the blob and the beltway, and that will be the crux moment how to, how does trucks respond? they'll be 2 of them. one when, when clinton says, yeah, it's thanks, but no thanks. and the 2nd one will come further down the road, probably maybe considerably further down the road, but you know, in a year or 2, when russian troops are crossing the night per and moving on kit. right. and the be,

will be huge crux moment. so, and george has this monologue discussion, debate, etc, etc. so we'll go on week after week, month after month, because everybody in the gold host for the route ukraine gets weaker and small, all or so. i mean, when, when are they negotiating for that? well, the side is a, this is a cynical policy that was a, that's been initiated by the united states, which is, well, we're going to week and russia, we're going to enter, we're going to bleed ross, are we going to injure rush or we're going to empower is russia, but by doing so you're doing you that expensive, you crank and the american policy in a deposit, it will. so what i mean, we, you know, the ukraine is expandable, the problem is, is escalate to de escalate wirelessly. is that it's a never ending mess and once you go down the product, that means the war uh, goes on forever because of course, the moment. uh, usually it seems as if, hey, well, you know, maybe maybe we can now sit down and negotiate where and where in

a stronger position. so one, no, no, because then, you know, that's, that was because we got tough with russia. that's why when a strong, that means we need to escalate even more and then will getting be made even better position sylvester. and that's it. that's the role for, you know, in less walks. and, and, and this is because this has been the positive by the ministration. and you have to believe that, you know, trump will continue with this being the kind of boldness of vision that you would need really to, to, to take this thing by the scruff of the neck and just bring it to an end. i don't see this in front, but just say this does nothing in the past that would suggest that he would expend but kind of energy and to withstand the, the attacks that would come against them, including, you know, impeachment possible, assassination, everything. i just don't say trump doing though, it will make the effort. but i just, i don't see that he will assist with this all more. so he said he has other things he wants to to. exactly. exactly. give me the last minute. go ahead. yeah. so that

brings us what he wants to do, his grand strategy visit, and it may actually not be much better for americans or the rest of the world than had gemini primacy. taking a look at what he said about greenland and canada in panama. what he's talking about is, is most likely it appears old school imperialism. right? you know, maybe it was a realist element of great powers and spears of influence. but you know, he, what on called the monro doctor, and we can call it the don road doctor. and right. i mean that's, that's the western hemisphere is mine. i may not care about anything else. there has been surprised really little objection from the new york times into the washington post. and the trump suggestion that the u. s. takes control of greenland where it already has military bases by one way or another that's that's, that's pretty much mark. let me, let me ask you real quick because these are like easy wins. is it?

is this part of the calculus movie? and i think i got the panama, i got it. and what about the middle east? well, what about you? what about china? well, okay i, that's the way i kind of look at it or a gentleman, we'd probably run out of time. i want to thank my guess in budapest and the most kind of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us, your r t c. and next time, remember across the rules, the, the

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a go down to see what will be the probably spinning prisoner is now already ex prisoners were the wall top. so they really, you can see behind me, ronald, the bosses, they were all and yes, that operations across the region, the ceasefire is holding. the 1st few is ready. hostages are released to buy from us and exchange for the 19 palestinian prisoners as people are hoping this bates will last. it's a great joy and praise be to god that the war has finally ended. no we're hoping that everything hours ahead of a change of god in washington.