the, the least of russian states never is as tight as i'm one of the most sense community best in most all sense and up to 5 must be the one else calls question about this, even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin mission, the state on the russians coding and split the ortiz full neck, even our video agency, roughly all the band on youtube, the fitness center. for what question did you say a request, which is the

hello and welcome to cross on both ends? were all things are considered non peter a little because donald trump has a different a new grand strategy for american foreign policy. a policy approach that is a departure from the past. if so, then what can we in the world expect to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, george samuel, we in budapest, he has a pod cast or at the goggle, which me found on youtube and locals. and here in moscow, we have marks level that he is international relations and security analyst gentlemen. crosstalk rules and effect. that means you can tell me anytime you want, then i would appreciate it proudly start out with mark. and in my moscow, you know,

mark this program is about what kind of vision donald trump may or may not have a grand strategy for american foreign policy. as everyone is aware, there's a lot of things going on in the world and trump is even better before becoming president and the last few weeks. i mean, some interesting proclamations about what he will or will not do so, but i'm going to be an orthodox here and started kind of in reverse. mark is widely said, then whoever the american people vote for and they get john mccain. we have john mccain coming in the office. i actually would say no, there may be in attend by the a neo con and when i say that i use it in the, the so we say the modern bi partisan sense of the word. it's no longer truly conservative, but those committed to us a gemini and primacy around the world. they may try to manipulate trump as they

quite openly and clearly did. so according to john bolton's memoirs, manipulate him back into that position. but i don't think that he sees international relations and geo politics through that prism. in fact, i think he whatever we may think about his conclusions and solutions, i think he's correctly identified. the problem is that the us is suffering from an enormous amount of we might have previously said imperial overreach. now we might say hedge a monic overreach. it can no longer afford to be the what it calls the police man of the world, or the military dictate or of the world. and it needs to prioritize and i can come to grips with the world of rising great powers. now trump's solutions to that

is, is another question entirely, but i think he's, he's, i correctly identified the problem that the pursuit of a gemini and the benefits of it, of the cost far outweigh the benefits to the united states today. so him and those around them have correctly identified the problem. the next question is, what is donald trump vision and solution? yeah, i mean, i think, and george mark really is it centered on the most important point in germany. and it's really basically how to maintain it. now we've, we've had, in the past, we've had this a liberal order that has been used as a psychological cover. and what we've seen over the last few weeks for the incoming president is, you know, refreshingly, a little bit of realism. realism can be used towards maintaining hit gemini as well

. i mean, the instant the same thing. it says dressed up in a different way, and george go, i think so. and i think that's why it's so difficult really to get a handle on what's likely to come from the trump administration. that's the trump really sees his next 4 years as a kind of civilizational renew. well, i mean, he's going, he's going for broke. he was a ready make his mark on the world and he wants america to get back to some vague idea of what it was. so he really, this is very important for him to think, but somehow a mirror and they'll be able to kind of cultural renewal of america. that's why it was significant. but he appointed these 3 of elderly hollywood stars as he's emissaries through hollywood. because i think he's gonna see if he sees that as bob of his civilizational rejuvenation, i'm proud of that, i think, is his notion of going back to some idea of what america was before

in a box on world war 2 with even before the bar on this a, all the cold war is global alliances. and that's why i think he's looking where really adds that you particularly the post cold war era. of really you can, is good as globalism entangling alliances. um, creating this uh, you know, in this a liberal world, all the rooms based on the policing, the walls and essentially getting entangled with every single country's internal affairs. so, so this is gonna work and whatever happens anywhere is somehow a crisis with the united states. he wants to get away from them. they just simply focus on what is important for the united states. the problem is, is that it's easier said than done and all the presidents. i've also thought about that and you know, it's a, you know, because of the way back to richard nixon and, you know, those. yeah, well, we'll have to just focus on what's important for us. you can just simply, you know,

dissipate our energy on, on pointless conflicts. so i think it's going to be a challenge. and i think is mark points out there are those that he's surrounded himself with many of you know what the neo cons intervention is. look to mccain, e x. what is determined to continue as before? yeah, well i'm asked me the argument would be made and will be made against trump in a, in a matter of months, days maybe hours after he takes office is that, well, there's a certain way of doing business and presidents. well they come and go. but we have an established approach to governing the world to hedge them. i mean, we've seen this movie before. trump did try it and it made me pulling out of trips from syria. and the easiest example, or i'm making a bold overturn in north korea. we all know how these things ended. why is that going to be different this time? okay, so 1st of all, let's, let's, let's address a,

a interesting point that the george brought up about trump, diplomatic, shall we say, sensibilities sending mel gibson to be the diplomat. the rest of hollywood that either indicates the drums, diplomatic sensibilities are very poor, or that he's throwing hollywood the collective big middle finger, which, which i think is probably closer he's, he's effectively trolling hollywood and letting them know who's in charge. i think that's more to the point. george also made a good point that the dovetails. and so what you asked is that previous presidents, although not quite in the same way, have also previously within living memory, committed to a kind of re prioritization of the united states. over it's foreign policy and taking george w bush promised the same thing. and then he, a media his administration immediately set about trying to remake the middle east.

bill clinton did the same thing and then they ended up getting the car voting up of serbia in, in the middle of europe as well as getting entangled elsewhere around the world. so there is an orthodoxy of foreign policy, right? and this is, you know, clearly decided on, you know, ben rhodes called at the blog, you can call it the deep state, you can call it the permanent bureaucracy. but these are the real people that decide us for and in military policy. and they are not elected and they don't go away, certainly not very easily. victoria newland is no longer part of the administration, but she has almost certainly a key constituent part of the blog and her husband kagan just reminded us of that with an article, the cry, trump position on ukraine going forward. so i think that actually this is probably

going to consume a great deal of the trump presidency over the next few years as he tries to book that foreign policy orthodoxy that deep states, they are going to resist, that they are going to try to manipulate him and if manipulation fails, it will become outright warfare. and we saw what happened to the last president who promised the scatter, the c i a to the wins he's a, shall we say, quickly exited the presidential scene. so i've often described trump as a chaos, bob and it's all a kind of like a bouncing that's the one that goes in multiple different directions. and right now it looks like that chaos bomb is going off. and one on the transatlantic relationship with threats about annex in a greenland in canada and re taking the panama canal. you know that that more an

effect on south american relations, per se, but also inside the beltway. and i think that's where trump's real fight, where his real conflict of his ministration may end up as in dc as he attempts to take on the blog. and that is going to be a rough ride for well trump, everyone but outside powers may well decide to see that that is a point that they can take advantage of and exploit the situation to a charge where you're putting your money on the blog or trying well, his history would suggest that the blah blah will prevail. um or you know, just the trump sofa. we got off to a reasonable stop. he weighed in on the middle east. um, he applied pressure on the net in the oh and he demonstrated to everybody that the previous administration could have done far more than it actually did to restrain

israel. and, and that is a full sign because, you know, and if we could look back on history, actually, if republicans have been the only ones will actually ever apply to any pressure against israel, you know, going all the way back goes to eisenhower. and so, you know, blood drilling is relatively strong to sign, i would know better reagan getting on the phone to him and not him begging or, you know, telling him to knock it off. even the hapless george w bush said at one point that enough is enough and put forward his fame is a road map that eventually led to kind of a serious piece negotiation of the old met piece plan. so, you know, trump is actually to get them following, and the tradition of republicans will actually, you know, apply some pressure on israel. any drum demonstrated, well, he can do it. the question is, will he persist with this? because he is going to come under a great deal of pressure,

and it's already being applied against him. you know, to knock it off. same thing. what will happen with ukraine? he's currently outlining some kind of a vision of bringing this the thing to an end. now, there's also a lot of steps along the way, and he, they will definitely be an enormous effort both in washington and brussels in london to slaughter any attempt on trump spot to uh, bring this uh a what blower and ukraine to an end. i want to talk about you cleaning the 2nd half of the pro brandon marketing. the. it is possible that a piece, feelers, a plan will be put out, but it's all a smoke screen because i know they can hand and then they're going just to double down. and that's in the most of units i, you know, the last legs. it's almost over, you're all wrong, and my guess here are going to make that point. when we come back from our break gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on problems for policy,

stay with already the same just don't have to shape out the application and engagement equals the trail. when so many find themselves will support, we choose to look for common ground, the the welcome magic cross on boulevard time. peter linelle. here we are discussing some illness, mark i at the very end of the 1st part of the brother, and i mentioned ukraine and obviously, and george has already pointed out that um, before he even becomes president, donald trump is a, made his, a well known. let's put it that way in research when media reports tell us about

what's going on in palestine, israel. so i'm still a skeptic about this, i think. where is the kind of thing? it's not the end of anything. it may be me in the beginning, but this is a picture of this is a, a situation that is far more complex. it's easy is take away and i got to in, okay, that's if that's the, that's what public relations is all about. and we all know that trump is interested in only wins, however, that is defined, but i want to go mark, i want to go back to ukraine. well i seen um, um uh, the benchmarks and moving out and uh from 24 hours is that will be take you all be taken care of and you paying the for the now duration. now it's a 100 days, it's 6 months. so kind of echoing what we said in the 1st part of the program. i'm sorry, i'm going to have to express my screen skepticism the foreign policy, bob, the, the state, whatever we want to call it, they're not going to give him

a wind here. mark. yeah, 1st of all, i was just going to ask, beg me for being a, you know, a permission to be a cynic and a skeptic on trump suddenly bringing peace to the middle east suite. of course they'll know what kind of leverage, what kind of carrots and sticks the kind of wind grow close. oh, and yeah, we don't, we don't know what the story is, but if anyone thinks that netanyahu is, calvin is suddenly going to curl over and show his stomach to donald trump. i very much have doubts whether the ceasefire will last 24 hours or, or you know, at least a couple of days into trumps administration. and there's already signs of, you know, coming from the, the yahoo administration that, that, you know, that i haven't seen that they've actually seized their strikes. so i've got, so let's, let's put it that way. but on, you know, but at least you made an attempt that made as well. no, and as, as you said, as to ukraine. yeah. there's so much input this behind this and there's no question

that trump one doesn't like the q evergreen's leadership. you know, either the previous one or, or this one, he regards them as his domestic political enemies in the united states because of the way they quite so stupidly and heavy handedly weighed in to us domestic politics on the issue. and the clumsy attempts to manipulate him afterwards or transparent, even i think through trump. and he's certainly thinks that so are you not in us is uh, is, you know, like, it was always a red line strategic interest. he thinks it's a waste of money. he also has nothing but contempt for the majority of western political leaders in europe, who are the biggest, you know, a crusaders in this particular measure and, and that, that brings up here all the obstacles to this. one of them has already been launched by one of trump's political enemies,

the prime minister of the united kingdom care stormer, who evidently sent political operatives to the united states to campaign effectively for joe biden. really don't move there, but he was just in care of and citing a largely rhetorical and substance list 100 year commitment security guaranteed the ukraine that really doesn't actually say much at all. he's attempting to one, continue the western process of uh, you know, lifting his leg in urinating on t as, as western geo political territory. but it's also a direct shot at the trump administration. you think you're going to pull out of this? i don't think so. um, so he's that this is definitely intended as an obstacle or what you know, of course, the signal to russia, but also a signal to the trump administration. and these western political leaders. they are

committed to this conflict and they are very upset. they were upset during the 1st trump administration. they expressed joy at the return of the head human to form under joe biden, and they are furious at being put in the same position again. vain believing us lead western global to germany, more than the u. s. president does, and they're going to try to rope him back into the ukraine conflict. whatever he may think about it or not. you know, tell my mark brings up such an excellent point when it comes to ukraine. trump is going to be paddling america's alliance partners, and the beltway, and where the negotiations come in with the russians. that's way down there. i mean, it is actually a low priority because he has to get through me this entangling alliance system. that is, you know, and we've all talked about how that is so counterproductive to the national

interest of all members of this alliance, not just the united states. and trump is going to have to battle a bi partisan commitment in congress and let alone the in transients that he's going to have in the defense department, the state department, etc, may take this and the lease of this battle is far more complex than mainstream left or right media is presenting at george. so i think it's going to be extremely difficult. and then if you have to then oswell, house law is trump repair to confront the bureau press the and to confront is made to the is my how you've got these. um nato people, my crown and the rest of them were eager to send in european forces into ukraine. now, this is all of cause nonsensical because trump himself knows the one if you're going to send in your european forces. that's just a mechanism for drawing us in,

because if you're going to show that, then you're going to come come back in to us as a all that help us out and help us out. and in any case, even the whole idea of deploying european forces with the emperor requires american logistics in a, you know, americans live. i mean, they're not going to be able to do it themselves. so trump knows that this is, this is a, a here really of a, you know, poison child is the, the, your opinions are offering. oh, well, you don't have to do it, you know, we will do it. um, so what i think is likely to happen. i think trump and then you know, and my uncle ruby ever suggested this other stuff to guess, and he's going to offer some version of mints. great. let's phrase the conflict. and um, you know, we'll put off the nato membership until glen age, a membership into mean definitely a future. and uh, and then maybe we can talk about some kind of partial sanctions. really give me just to sweeten the pot a little bit. i don't think it's gonna work. i mean,

i think this is the, i don't think there's anything here in the russians. i don't use anything, even the ukraine. those are seeing this as in, in any way and beneficial and europeans are going to resist. and then i think for a few months, i think it was little dry gone for a few months. i think trunk will have to then decide, well what, what do i do now? and i think that's the moment that the pressure will arise as a, well, you need to escalate, you know, you need to, you really need to show bolton, who's the boss. you really need to show that somebody that because that's the only way you can get food into the go shaking, tell you when you're not going to get him man. but by offering him um, sanctions relief sweetening the pallets. you're gonna really get tough with him. and i have to believe trump will go down that path. unfortunately, i have to go and mark, even with george, just said is which is absolutely spot on. in my opinion, yet the, the next few months is going to be a discussion on a dialogue, a monologue among the western stakeholders. and all of this we haven't even

mentioned, we know what the russian position is. it's been a clear over and over and over again. i kinda, and that's as a point to the started negotiations, but we're not even there. we're not even there right now. it's going to be trump against the nato countries. um members of the leadership in europe and, and, and the people that are going just toward him like they did in his 1st administration. i think george's right escalation is virtually inevitable. yeah, absolutely. i think that the georgia spot on that um, you know, the rush oh, you know, we'll probably, we'll have discussions with the trumpet administration certainly. and it's very likely that you know, from what we for the trump will actually want to meet with god. and then they'll talk and they'll say, you know, hey, it's really nice that we can sit down and actually talk to each other. again, there's a lot of things in the world we need to discuss and have dialogue on. but as for

your proposals, you know, for you, okay, and you're on the losing side of it is conflict with the tech that we direct the terms not you. right. and if you're not willing to agree to our terms, which we've made clear, you can continue to talk amongst yourselves all you want. but meanwhile, we're going to continue. uh, you know, creating facts on the, on the ground on the battlefield, which we're doing increasingly. and so the cries will be in washington to escalate to de escalate to show strength. right? and that's how they will try to manipulate and rope them into it goes to european leaders. and within his own the neo cons, in his own administration, of which there is a plethora uh, and the rest of the blob and the beltway. and that will be the crux moment how. how does trucks respond? they'll be 2 of them. one when, when clinton says yet the thanks but no thanks. and the 2nd one will come further down the road. probably maybe considerably further down the road. but you know, in

a year or 2, when russian troops are crossing the night per and moving on, kia right and the policy, it will be huge crux moment. so, and george has this monologue, discussion, and debate, etc, etc. so we'll go on week after week, month after month, because everybody in the gold host for the route ukraine gets weaker and smaller. so i mean, when, when are they negotiating for that? well, that's the side of it. it's a cynical policy that was a, that's been initiated by the united states, which is, well, we're going to weaken russia. we're going to enter, we're going to bleed roster. we're going to injure russia. we gotta empower, is russia. but by doing so, you're doing it at the expense of ukraine and the american policy in a to both of them will. so what i mean, we, you know, the ukraine is expandable, the problem is, is escalate to de escalate wirelessly. is that it's a never ending mess and once it go down that path, that means the war goes on forever because of course, the moment, uh,

usually it seems as if, hey, well, you know, the, maybe maybe we can now sit down and negotiate where and we're in a stronger position. so one, no, no, because then you know, that's, that was because we got tough with russia. that's why when the strongest by means we need to escalate even more and then we'll get it be made even better positions, sylvester, and that's and that's the role for it in less walks. and, and, and this is because this has been the positive by the ministration. and you have to believe that, you know, trump will continue with this being the kind of boldness of vision that you would need really to, to, to existing by the scruff of the neck. and just bring it to an end. i don't see this in front, but just say this does nothing in the past that would suggest that he would expend but kind of energy and to withstand the, the attacks that would come against them. including, you know, impeachment possible as to estimation everything i just don't see trump doing though, it will make the effort. but i just,

i don't see that he will assist with this all more. so he said he has other things he wants to to exactly. exactly. give me the last minute. go ahead. yeah. so that brings us what he wants to do, his grand strategy visit, and it may actually not be much better for americans or the rest of the world than had germany primacy taking a look at what he said about greenland and canada in panama. what he's talking about is most likely it appears a school imperialism. right? you know, maybe with the realist element of great powers and spears of influence. but you know, he, what on called the monro doctor, and we can call it the don ro, doctor, and right. i mean that's, that's the western hemisphere is mine. i may not care about anything else. there has been surprised really little objection from the new york times into the washington post. and the trump suggestion that the u. s. takes control of greenland, where it already has military bases by one way or another that's that's,

that's pretty what mark, let me, let me ask you real quick because, um, these are like, easy wins is, is this part of the calculus letting you know that i got the panama, i got the category. and what about the middle east? well, what about you? what about china? well, okay, i, that's the way i kind of look at it or a gentleman, we'd probably run out of time. i want to take my guess in budapest and the most kind of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us either r t c and next time, remember across knuckles the or take a fresh look around his life. kaleidoscopic isn't just a shifted reality distortion. by power to division with no real opinions fixtures designed to simplify. it will confuse really once

a better wills and is it just because it shows you fractured images, presented to this bus? can you see through their illusion going underground? can the hollywood looking at i was going to dream live for dreams come through the we have approximately 10000000 people in california that are risk of becoming on house looks good man pulls up somebody for working to pretty jobs and still not enough because of the cost of living also has increased co bags and still by chance last year, long the amount of all homeless roles by 12 percent in california

of the regulations, the drum. this one in the $47.00 residential, the united states, that he promises a sweeping change of political course to officer in the new year for the country. power power will stop all wars and bring a new spirit of unity to a world that has been angry, violence, and totally unpredictable. we also hear his statement about the need to do everything to prevent a 3rd. of course, we welcome this attitude of the russian presidents, congratulations. donald trump. one is new to i'm in the office as a putting emphasizes, the moscow is ready for dial up to resolve the grade complex.