lee have accused ukraine of i'm in rebels in the hell region. in particular. do you think that the international community is reacting to such a move or these allegations against cubes that they allegedly training rebels in the health region? and of course, i don't have the facts about that, but i could just make some clement about this. what this business, you know, we in africa with lake city is william and beans was sold as an update to the comments where many people were killed in many ways with people, the board and the president would do it. every one's about deposit keys, whatever. there was a fight against slavery when the slave slave of the system was

stopped. finally, the whites realize it was too much with us. they then put something with a name that they did. he was good to anyway. remind colonization colonization. i don't know what they mean with quarter nice from liberty to color. nice to have been color nice colonization. why didn't it extra you meant to be kind of does takes more countries does take that, that now my country right. that's why we ended up with color. nice something funny. right.

and there is a going to sit with us forever. that in english, like we had an english ocean in south africa. and it said what table around it. as we then decided to start fighting for our bodies, we are living in a wood, which is the luck say that it cannot be allowed. we are all human beings as nobody lives more eyes and more noses in mo, most of the se, like kind. we have the same respect to all of us and therefore in my view, breaks is an important element to change the walk. i want to go back to the issue of palestine because it's an issue that they didn't see the to

claim to have been part of from the young age is an a and c that has strongly supported a palestine. now when you look at the recent developments now, in relation to the seas via agreement, and do you think it's, it's going to last, given the fact that obviously south africa has been a supporter of guys. i do think that this particular seized by agreement will hold . i hope it, it should hold it. but this for me is, is it one side that was the man and we should have been done not like the 1st so the last many times it is happening in the middle east, middle east and the things i always very complex and difficult if we were to have a quite

a understanding of how we should leave among one another. they wouldn't be was it like that you knew where to go? what causes was that isn't as well. part of the lives in of the days that plays up to now because of his, with the tests. all right. and then so in the middle east, maybe that was also have something i'm sure they do don't to the friendship they've got or and lots of what and that's why the issues the issues, provo, to by defective that as, as when to take from others what belongs to them and they utilize the power to do so. it is unfortunate some of the clements of that type a, a forced, like the one that we're talking about that we have good to have. this is 5, is forced into the if you were to be honest and tell the tools

for these really prime minister says that his country is ready to get back into it and review. so it's, um, it's a tax on how much should the 2nd phase of the sci fi agreement collapse? do you think this will actually, why is it the was to keep them quiet when, when kind of threatens another country like this? when we have the united nations of whatever it and why was what no matter how much we discussed of the issue is there is no equality would always smarter. one would always suffer. so is it much as i did when at times of feeling, i don't want to say even anything, because the word is not on this to each set. do you think?

said african countries i've taken seriously when it comes to the input in resolutions for conflicts? i think to, to some degree, at times again, it would depend, what are the countries where they have conflicts that 2 big countries believe it is only them who must say some of the people. yes. unless they're under pressure. mm hm. so some are taken but not the majority of it and is it because as i believe, africa, ease and important to continue to an important clinton in which you must speed jump. ohio to reach is to the position

was a foot. a africa has many, many things that the kind of outside of the need that's it lives in why they were able to at least give the sees to come to us. because a good to know that of that has ever said. but because precisely because of that, africans way put it to a place where they should not be taken very. so this was if we have been caught on nice and us deals in directly corner nice us deal a weaker fact. so that goes to get that we've what input that to make or is it taken serious? because if they seem to put an example, no going one this,

they would do so if they want to come and attack him, they would kill in that texas. i'm so just to make it more clear what them say that definitely was created because his country was beginning to say, africa must stand on his own, ended lives in his own life. and for that, because he was talking loudly, he had to be killed by a civilized christian kind of people when he had committed an okay. it said that to talk about of our country to think africa has what it takes to be independent. then you spoke about slavery, kind of nice ation and still being in direct queue, colonized through the systems and what is actually happening in the african continent to do think africa can stand on his phone and stand up against big

bullies as some have put it against countries like america that can make threats against countries like you that have come in to use some of our research. as i said, it depends what type of an issue of a situation we're talking about. where they can only come. ready otherwise, ones the west and country is feeds these ones and now it's becoming too big for the size they would come in and they've done so enough for that came in when the number of times just before the death was cute, was the last president who in the to his country. i went there to talk to him when metal was bombarding that kind and said it was given

instructions because it president of has gotten to that to, to fly this way. lawyer of and people come from europe, tell us enough of it. and do that in charge, that tells you the story of this coincidence. at the end, he was kid because he was very clear about a foot in the was intended to know 20 and a kid that's of the to we have. and the many developments that are happening in the african continent. look at what's happening in mozambique, for example. you speak of gut duffy, who you say was killed because of his view about africa and wanting it to stand on its own. we do a political experience, mr. lula and given the fact that you now have this m k party, which is the 3rd biggest political part in south africa,

do think africa would be able to come together and spend to get those seeing what is happening in this a health region, for example. yes, i think i forgot it this time. we've reached a point that we can in fact come to get we can in fact, put a free got into our hands and develop it. you know, the of the is the big countries former, colonize us in particular with the west who want to keep food down so that they are able to benefit from of the, the, to control of what is left is that effort that should come together. and it's better to have

a country to africa and our control with our results is in our hands. i think you cannot. if we look at these 2, a 5 type, i do that after the guy is screwed, blah blah blah. when you will, you will have countries that the state of coordinating themselves, my, the board to kansas. is it difficult? is it difficult to see? i think of the guy who's at least the point as, as you said, that was in gun. i think the discussion that we had with the leadership in gun is it kind of an open? is it kind of a discussion that has not happened in the past? the manner in which we see africa,

how we want africa to be on that is control. how afraid the most benefit from or from the reaches of the continent. i think the debate is changing and, and, and it is a matter of time that a food one of these days is going to be due for it. literally just to make the point here when the former color and that is color nies in countries with face do with the issue of how to control effort. hm. they then come up to what was called code the task code, the task weight in they we, glenn wise in the kansas. how to remove the lead this

enough so that they put their own puppets the right. it took a long time as it is that what is called a quote, the top was hated. it was a how to take such good lead. that's like why didn't go to them and many of us. but it was initiated to, by the colonize us. they would buy people so that people are able to change their progress for their own interests. you know what is happening now? they have to that. who does it, which does have it as it is act of that kind of

a good because that habit people to they don't see the difference between those who does and does what for the court, the ties that they've taken place. now a scene to fence enough is enough. paid the color you will. yeah. that to our mind you must be. yeah. if we would not misled, we would not be say, we cannot pay the take these people as i was because the zip code to talk invested name, they don't understand these young people. i say enough is enough. that tells you way of today's going. we are saying let that did that belong to of for the the to come and remain enough for that and just call it what has been done is absolutely correct. why should the phrase 1st please be seated

enough? it weiss with the money be brought from a fence to feed us when we have good. oh, that tells you that as the car is turning the corner, it is elia lity. it is a i, i have a clear understanding of what is happening because of the, i know that because which way, defeating the ends of a free that process to buy european zip code because of the africans defending themselves, taking themselves out of the kind of what these colors have done to us, but to some of some of glass even of we don't see was due to an to the

put it in my way. is that doing it on the blah blah, blah. know that actually taking the struggle to liberate africa a day and me, i supported, i couldn't tell you unless it is it kind of uh, it could be kind of like the ones before these ones. i said let africa look, update. so simple. you've entice me the with the, your visit to kind of thing that the word discussions that i'm moving towards this idea of africa strengthening itself. do you want to give us a little bit of those discussions and the future plan? no, no, i'm just talking with the discussions in general. i don't think i'm talking about the details. i'm talking over the that we as african we, i now say time is come for us to lose. our kansas time is

come for us to have a what is most, is a looking after the african people belonging to them one to buy gold and silver. and evidently you must buy, must not take what it does, is it and good to didn't come and sell it for us. that's why i say that must be the understanding and the quality and everything it didn't talk about. that's what we're talking about. that's what i'm saying, of that is turning the corner mutual beneficial relations. absolutely. now let's move on to media. and since the ship r t, the platform we are on now is celebrating 20 years in december. and it seems to be growing audiences in the global south. what do you think all of our,

to the existence in the space of the county, western media or western news that is being spread over because people don't have access to our tea. a want to get a view from you as to what to think about what our team is doing in giving the global south a voice encountering west and media. when i think when the question of communication had been, must that by do was in country is many, many, many years ago and many good things have been put aside by the media release. i think after the guy has been said to move quicker to stand on our own

to tell our own stories at 210 this door is of with those with things they're not doing that. i think the problem is that the donation of the west in word media has been there for centuries. as many people think it is like things that to a made by gold or 10 common when it is not identical. what time is come that we should spend doing our own, tell our own stories, not see it to test the tools that go, that these us is come from our country. they belong to us. we are afraid to say, so. let me do sleep where they think this belonged to them. who gave them where they given by board will to good by a force,

whatever. now, if in my view, we have not to reach that point to tell the truth of the teas. yes, it may be fine that we had beginning to do something, but the man, i want us to tell the truth as it is to think since the ship against our teeth is justified when i, i'm not sure about that because i don't think why should people be stopped from saying what they're saying when i that this can say anything they want and justify wise built that stopped by the people to and go when things who come it beforehand . why think that to, for getting, for an example, the content studies at only the big country that they would tell the story as much say, that's part of why they've been saying, since we've discussed that debate is

a lot say that kind of every see even at times by the way, even christian at times they say to put in things, but they have to say and they're supposed to be the who, who didn't know so. so my view is that let us eat quad the things because you quite the things or whether you take immediate ease. so whatever that is for luis loves, say that it behaves in what should be done in this world. why should some, some other people have ever seen? others don't have. if they don't have by sitting who can take it? they just so they choose to increase the cost so that you have nothing, no money. you can go kindly today. i think it's not fine. once that,

as i let you go, mr. zill not resend to prison. trump held a press briefing where he engaged members of the media. and we heard him saying how he feels that the negotiations we must abide and was involved in relation to nato and russia. she missed them up. that's what he said. mr. trump said by the midst of the negotiations, i've been so far as ukraine joining nato. and he says he would have handled it differently. you know, russia, you've been a politician for a number of years. russia has relations with south africa when you hear mr. donald trump sing things like that. do you agree that the decision by america, to back you, created in the way that it did when it comes to nato was correct?

why would people from united states for that too much that they will in the last year to a country that is for my last year with kids who as much as it may. but this kind of little ones together and wanted to send a v web portal. is that too keen? a dealership and burden by doing whatever is sitting there is encouraging that he's allowing his son in himself to study business is that which way also to help increase the military a table for us? yeah. i'm real sure. i couldn't see such a man was that i listened to that before because we,

we only say one piece say who ends for piece, blah, blah, blah. but this piece is one side that is not a piece that is on this key. and therefore, i think what i've said so far from, from that he cannot, the waste is money in the last year was a good a country to do little absolutely correct. i think so. it would be remiss of me of off to a plethora of questions. defend questions, his excellency, it would be with miss of me to not to say as we wrap it up. is there anything that you would like to say based on this type of discussion that we have? i think we'll discuss sufficient. what, what i thought this, i mean i did not say much because you spoke to me at some point in days.

i said fine, discuss other things. i think we've discussed quite a lot of things. i could say more if you want me to book i didn't took anything tomorrow morning. ok. well thank you so much for your time. we really do appreciate it. we know you are very busy. man. with the m k par to new in south africa shaking up the political landscape. we really do appreciate you taking the time to talk to us on our t. thank you very much. i the the

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