the answer, we've seen these justification, somebody that's throughout this genocide or even before it's for other minutes, real patients, as long as no other 3rd party is allowed to investigate these crimes or acts by the idea for the other is really a entities misses that aly amount of them is false and is not, you know, uh to be the light on the is really not if, if the idea is trying to generalize through media or statements as far as something proven by the search parties who are independent. so to search bar to who can go inside the they've goes a step and investigate these allegations. well that's the update, tao, still with our 10 to national for all the latest from around the world. thanks for watching and by now the

pets. let's start with, what do you think the biggest achievement of the m k party has been thus far? whereas i'm sure if we would to code the 4th m. k is a very easy youngest political party just one year old. but it has been able to type the feelings and the wishes of the the so the for getting population does that affect that to we are now a form of a position that tells you

a very good story about some countries. so what are your future plans of going forward, especially the simple to take over the governor of the country. that is the immediate of just to actually one to me as soon as possible. you are a prominent antea pottage, a political figure in south africa who has been part of the african national congress, which has recently expelled you from that political party. we know that you've challenged this issue. i just want to get what your views are because globally, you have been know to be part of the amc. but there's a long story about that. as that question. you purchased it, making think to purchase a very long, kind of an answer. firstly,

as we have said, i joined a and said to my young age instead, because even before, quite honestly, i lied to the people who had to make me a member of the after the initial congress. i was a very young just 17. when i joined the reason why i did so because the agencies and organizations that are this deputies to liberate the portal for this kind. and it was his deputies to by the great leadership of the people who said that when that was it t a. but they kind of behavior that he managed to from

the british and the cons of the, the under blow it became very clear that the whites who had come to south africa with taking over the country in terms of the need to level of it. and the black lead does in south africa, was included among others tradition that he does live in charge of the country that was taken from them. but secondly, the past, as we're preaching here, as well as our land and people who came together to say we cannot be taken out of a good participation of them in this country. as their whites had decided to do those within the lead. in part one of this,

with the british who had the to do with the, of the con, us to allow themselves to take out the pled people from and the lead us, you've seen instead of the city of somebody that led to the blacks to see and it does as deputies, one part that we defend our own kind of insights. and that's how the african national congress was this deputies. and therefore every one wasn't been late that one the because life is life. i'm sure the other political part does that. imagine one form of the ad, but did the 1st thing was that we should be out of an activity that determines those whom us around the country. it was

a deliberate thing done by the people who just as i found us here, living in peace. and that's why the started the headed to start in the do for the in session at the time. now if that is a case, the amc therefore was my organization. and i grew within that part. and a 4th and i joined the army when the medicaid to fight, which was now more the con us who a now saying of to the one for the 1st of the elections. they said that they were going to apply what belongs to them in terms of the meetings that the recommend is a black man, is not a complete human being only wides way in human beings.

and that led to us lead due to and i'm starting to fight in as it was older and was to go back to way we were defending all countries from the beginning because a long, very difficult and painful study of this country. now wonder that was done, then they indeed increased what was quotes for popularly known that the life in south africa between black and white. was that incident to make the duplex city the paint. seated that the people who are white with superior fluid in city and whatever. and therefore, ended tap with a situation where there was didn't quote up

update that there was dividing the whites and blacks that they cannot be saved. and there is lots of details how oppression increased from what did the bridges should they have made it kind of a thing that to is sort of just saying you here with us. but the under us that kind of stuff. so that led us to become feed on, fight, husbands, try good, and it becomes so jazz and able to see is a long, long what to call. the main thing was i did set that for you must be free, must be equal. we must have everything in the same way as the white and the blacks. and therefore we had to to see 10 talk. how are we going to

negotiate? and i think we agreed that to, to negotiate and advocate negotiate to we, we make the country come together. it was, we've been fighting, killing one another as the one that i've many people it died didn't a bad to whatever. so we had the decision was taken, supported by the was that we need to put in peace inputs of that for the back to where it is supposed to be. is it, is that over that we decided the fest, tim fest at the very difficult to do with the was the end. the end of the problem among us was too deep. so it would make the 1st to, to be run in terms of government in the country by all of us.

all of us, black and white patches that we lean, petite to lat. number would then be the ones would be part of 8, documented that to be put together. we called it document or from national unity at the time to night. these people have been fighting for years. in other words, in the manner in which the agreements wouldn't be, would be soft to allow us to come together to allow to accept that we couldn't leave. to get after that 1st, the case would have been allowed to potty that left after defense. tim, in the 2nd to the amc, the party we set up with the time. we did not know because we had an one. yeah. who

would we would be the one who would then determine how this country is that and the part of that managed was the amc, the freedom try to put an example is a c document. if you look at the of city s e to us to keep close sites that wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, attended to in for the don't chat. what the freedom, chad, this is wasn't never attended and you'd have failed to that for that was time. we're going to address these, but the issue was never address of the day is now. this is never been address. instead, we were going back. what's that other than going for? is this organization now as the time went,

it was what i think we finally ended up with a situation where the leadership that came was not alone that you've been thinking about anything. if anything new to us, it invests in many, many things. has it come in and see kind of and amc, i feel like kind of hitting a political link to you at this point. his excellency, i do want you to touch on that issue then on that and see that you mentioned that has made this journey to this point which is expelling to which will part of you joined to an early age of 17 years old, which is now expelled. you, i know you've challenged this issue, but what are your views about them actually expanding that to like this because i want to to have it. see it seem to cause people of times misinterpret

fink's say, it really that's what i'm going to come was that that was the beginning that i'm being challenged and then challenging people was part of this who stood them to kind of way in a way or together we had all agreed, what do we need to do? when we reship point away? my colleagues were no longer moving when i was at some point in a given an opportunity to be the president of this country. because i was beginning to implement what i fought for, what a 2 decision to die for. once a set did was criticize some even a put allegations of corruption and the tenea exec exec. and did not a single and his ever purchased in a steeple for match that i stoved anyway,

is nothing you've been the man demanded wasn't anything it has said today because of all that tells you that everything that was done was cool against me. probably in other people because of to now with the got to zoom, i know body has that. this is what is a my deep which was wrong. and that's it. i have even go into prison when i've never even appeared before. you might just to let that load the guy. i said you to us are cool. so i don't want to get into that to and i'm just telling away mackenzie those would empower you're, you are a political figure that has still says all around the country, you would have insight and some intelligence as to who cooked it. to say it was cool to buy those wedding cods. i don't want to be counting names of people. how

many miles are the issue for me? they know it themselves would have been to him a lie to nose inevitably to day or so no. okay. in this a health vision that says, there's been statistics that tara related to have increased. this is even though a funds was in some of these regions in africa to a system combat the g has. it's now the mit, the president of france. most of my con has come out to say that some of these african countries i'm grateful for the assistance that they have given to fight in africa. no, i disagree. i disagree, portent. i'd seen it was, seems funds came to court and as of it has never made it. but if i talk about friends with this statement comes from when friends was due quarter night, they decided to leave the army power for the in any place that did they

were in order to sub president, even the dentist that was not seen for us to say thank to because they did not do what they were supposed to do. they decided that the resources, money would be determined in france on behalf of the africans with for the. yeah. i don't know what is what friends things about it. we should have said, thank you very much to, to come on monday and use the day i and, and have the soul just this is what is a lead to this and the cause. so is it wrong statement? it don't agree with it was, it is not, they had us the, the thing that says we,

i have for you to have a not to have been us, does not agree that to we are free. we do what we want people to live, just couldn't that did, could you, does it a sense the where they say with kind of have money in france that kind of have the soul just from france. yeah. when we're good though that to me. so because you, the man is just talking, he does not know how to let people have suffered from white people, particularly defense. so i don't even want to debate to that to and that was the one it would take me to debate. seems that at 24, i'm busy dealing with the situation here with it, but it is in particular, but i just want to stay a little bit with regards to a funds. ted, i'm sure you agree with the statement that they've said, claiming that my crunch is insulting the intelligence of african countries by

insinuating that the ungrateful, i'm sure you agree with that state, of course is i'm agree and i do not want to get into the details i guess one that was a, that's a little piece of wrong. we have suffered since the colonize us after this day. that is what that was. that's what that was saying that there was, i was answering the question that it is tied to of quite white's think about as i'm sure you also agree what send a goal and i've always close decision to what through the troops front troops in, in the regions absolutely, i agree to tug. in fact, it is too late. this would have gotten a long time ago because it is the wrong. why are the forces of a french country station in the of the country or somebody else?

why is because they think that our 5, this is that thing that time has come. we cannot wait for that. so you're saying africa shouldn't be seen as a powerful continent that can call the shots for themselves. is a powerful continent. only descriptive by the colonize us, who s date of the quarter. nice and as you know, more than wait, they think we can not see. recently the u. s. secretary of states was invested for the u. s. stands when it comes to the israel from us war or genocide, a few me. what do you think of south africa coming forward and defending the people of palestine and how it is going about to do with that? even going as far as finding a genocide case. no, i think that is an over the problem. we have that those will pressed many years ago

. i still pressed. those will be, will see the power for just the using the how for an example, the old was looked at a country in the middle east. the way the things where someone, kids with kids in the, was the civil civilized world. absolutely said, and that's it. and that's it, even though they are for see other people to say they must accept the man the invoice and they presented the story, how they must all come to get. this is a problem that is phase the black people and also the people in the middle east.

that if it was never been, it is all the way that we have the united nations. it is said to deal with this much is affect it and therefore i don't one to say whereas a nice man has spoken to because they all talk around the, their own area of such as fits the why that about anybody is. and if you add you, they force the ceiling. we have not yet lights in this glo. my kids liked this girl because some people for them have them. we stay in the african africa. has it almost a lot of it's resources taken by people from europe. and these didn't take them today is as if god said, you're leaving the area. but i do go to for that to take what to one. the company

is a huge companies from outside of its own. that is us is and the good that it doesn't belong to them. space. also the baltics, the resources that in africa. exactly that and then they never bought it. but is that taking it as 3 days with mr. donald trump, president elect the president of america. do you think she's presidency? we'll see about a shift in policies related to these ongoing was which includes the from us and is while conflict with the i think the it is, it was the night it saves of america has said

something with regards to the war in flash. right. very clear. i haven't had him. i bought the country, i didn't fit into whether that has been it clear seeing that there must be the end of that is or however it is one among the few who have said something that makes sense. i think you said we cannot use the money to fight. it will invest you when of good food, food in our condo, it can then know too many who have said so, but you have said you have said that when we take that would take note of that because it is important. but as to the best things in the middle east

and not just is evan, i don't think i've had with it just in case that was some good. it was as the scene was come to that i've made. but mrs. speaking about mr. donald trump, he has recently made threats against a bricks. members of briggs hid us, which they in particular, we saw that because threatening them to impose tara, of hikes if they've continued their relations with countries like russia and china . when you have such threats from the west on africa and how it conducts its business and how, like you say, deals with its resources with other countries. what do you think when you share those threats? no, that is part of the problem. we have part of the problem, we have why should a country? so the 2 countries in africa, as he was talking to this more boys to come to this,

i'm going to do x. why is it going to see something wrong? why? because a country should do what it wants to do, whoever says so that's a problem. i had been talking about all the time because you have a country with his own divorces and everything. which says this country is amazing ones. you can do this with somebody is going to be in trouble. why that is to tell you something going wrong in the minute in which the countries say this, the big country is that that's more the countries that does say that to be probably not as, as, as big as is whatever. why should that have? why should a passive sites in the when take the own decision?

whoever releases or some people they knew must be taken into some problems. why that's why should that be the case? i don't think we need that. this is what we're saying is of again, we don't need, you know, when, so definitely i joined. thanks. we haven't talked about those much that it was highly important for us among other things was to deal with these very east bed. the countries that must be like in prison and because of the west is in a sense, dealing with these countries. and the attempt is that we cannot deal with now, is that correct? that's correct. but it's not something i do for them to try to

bring it quality part of the lives in the content new one day. not today. but there was a deliberate why, who ended up with the war. and i see it is because it was in countries with chain to put down breaks. if you know, what did they beat and let to know, medic included. he even went to prison when he had no case it it case that was his deputies. this man is, he's out now because they decided to say there's literally one, let us do it in order to also to so that to this they change the, the party in the india of the maintenance forces that another part

was coming. so that's usually choose the part that was joining breaks. that was part of breaks i moved to the experience of that part of the lives and that was they moved in full finishing my tim was also dealing with the brakes. they put to the new it's been passed, so media to say china was going down the cutting on me blah, blah blah, lies and felt that last year must be part of that is part of what it's is coming in to be. we haven't talked about it as much as a lot because that is not been the issue to talk about. but i'm just saying deed with the lesson countries who are always causing trouble, always making other people get into trouble when it is not supposed to

be. now what has happened to them? because they attended last year that she has said, sorry, well good the or the yeah. and to everyone, so is going to use direction money to know that change the word somewhere because many other pen does that often begin to say we have the brakes, but it's now has more with a $40.00 members. so not it only if you have a grouping that breaks, can you put in this into senate? the

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