the the if you think about russia, what does your mind picture the bottom landscapes open up before your eyes? the last one does, can you imagine the, the discount starts, the journey, the, the, you ready to come along the

i'm glad you spoke about fixed because i wanted to get your views the on the some of these african countries also wanting to be part of the brakes umbrella and the notion and the probability of a, a bricks, currency which is some even point to a dollar eyes ation, which has threatened america. why do you think of that? i think that's absolutely wonderful. police is moving and we need but we need but it's because briggs is not colonizing but it is doing business relationship with everybody else. and i'm happy that many countries that some kind of does enough for the middle east have seen what needs to be done. that is going to make, this would be a word with that kind of relationship us that was make people not styles in

other countries. why see another candidate don't know what to do with them. and the governments of the king of fossil miley have accused ukraine of mean rebels in the hell region. in particular, do you think that the international community is reacting to such remove or these allegations against kids that they allegedly training rebels in the health region? and of course, i don't have the facts about that. but i just made some comment about this. what this business, you know, we in africa with slave city is william and beans was sold as an update to the comments where many people

were killed in many ways with people, the board and the president would do it every one's about deposit keys, whatever. there was a fight against slavery when the slave slave would assist in west stop fighting that lead. the whites realize it was too much with us. they then put something with a name that they live with which way anyway, remember colonization colonization. i don't know what they mean. we're quarter nice for them to live very to color nice to have been color nice colonization. why did the meant it extra you meant to be countries takes more countries. just take that that now my

country right. that's why we ended up with color. nice something funny. right? and the is going to sit with us, whatever that in english, like we had an english ocean in south africa and it said what table around it. we then decided to start fighting for a while. you buddies, living in a wood, which is the love side. it cannot be allowed, we are, all human beings is not to do is more eyes in more noses in mo, most we say, like kind we have the same respect to all of us. and therefore

in my view, breaks is an important element to change the what i want to go back to the issue of palestine because it's an issue that the amc, the, to claim to have been part of from the young age is in a n c that has strongly supported a palestine. now when you look at the recent developments now in relation to the seas via agreement, and do you think it's, it's going to last, given the fact that obviously south africa has been a supporter of guys. i do think that this particular seized by agreement will hold . i hope it, it, it should hold it. but this for me is, is it one sided with them and then we should have been done not like the 1st so the last many times it doesn't happen in the middle east,

middle east. it did things. i always very complex and difficult if we were to have a quite a understanding of how we should leave among one another, they wouldn't be was it like that to me? what, what causes was that is ins as well. part of the lives in of the guys that plays up to now because of his west, the test flight. and them show in the media is maybe that was always have something i'm sure they do go to friendship, they've good or, and lots of what, and that's why the issues, the issues are provoked by defective. that as, as when to take from others what belongs to them. and they utilize the

power to do so. it is unfortunately some of the, at the lumens of that type, a, a forced, like the one that now we're talking about that we have good to have. this is fight is forced into the if you were to be honest and tell the tools for these really prime minister says that his country is ready to get back into it and review. and it's, um, it's a tech on him. us should. the 2nd phase of the sci fi agreement collapse. do you think this will actually, why is it the word keep them quiet when one come to the christians? another come to like this. when we have like united nations of whatever it and why it was what? no matter how much we discussed with the issue is there is no equality would

always, the smaller one would always suffer. so is it much of that did to at times if you don't want to say even, and it's in because the word is not on this to each set. do you think? said african countries i've taken seriously when it comes to via inputs and resolutions for conflicts to do to, to some degree at times. again, it would depend, what are the conflict with the conflict. so the 2 big country is, believe it is only them who must say some of the people. yes. unless they're under pressure. mm hm. so some are taken but not the majority of it. and is it because

as i believe africa is an important container. it's an important clinton in which you must speed jump ohio to reach is to the position was a foot a africa has many, many things that the kind of outside of africa need. that's it lives and why they were able to listen to the seas to come to of because a good to know that of that has ever said. but because precisely because of that pretends way put it to a place where they should not be taken very serious was if you have been caught on nice and us deals in directly corner nice us deal

a weaker fit. so that goes to get that we've what input that to make is it taken serious? because if they seem to put an example, no going one this, they would do so if they want to come and attack him, they would kill in that texas. i'm so just to make them more clear about what them say that duffy was kid because his country was beginning to say, africa must been doing his own, ended lives in his own life. and for that, because he was talking ledler, he had to be killed by a civilized christian kind of people when he had committed an okay. it said that the top part of our country to think africa has

what it takes to be independent. then you spoke about slavery colored lies ation and still being in direct queue colonized through the systems and what is actually happening in the african continent to do think africa can stand on his phone and stand up against big bullies as some have put it against countries like america that can make threats against countries like you that have come in to use some of our research. as i said, it depends what type of an issue of a situation they're talking about. where they can only color otherwise. ones. the lesson country is feeds these ones and now it's becoming too big for the size. they will come in and they've done so enough for that came in when the number of times just before the death was cute,

was the last president when to to his country. i went there to talk to him when metal was bombarding that couldn't and so it was given instructions to the president of and gotten to that to, to fly this way. you lawyer of and people come from europe, tell us enough of it. and do that in charge, that tells you the story of this coincidence at the, at, as it was because he was very clear about a foot and the was intended to know 20. and the kid that's of the, to we have. and the many developments that are happening in the african continent. look at what's happening in mozambique, for example. you speak of gut duffy, who you say was killed because of his view about africa and wanting it to stand on

its own. we do a political experience, mr. zoom and given the fact that you now have this m k party, which is that said because political part in south africa do think africa would be able to come together and then to get those seeing what is happening in this a health vision for example. yes, i think i forgot it this time. we've reached a point that we can in fact come to get we can in fact put to of got into our hands and develop it. you know, the of the is the big countries for my colonize us. in particular, with the west who want to keep food down so that they are able to benefit from of the, the,

to control of that. what is left is that effort that should come together and it's better to have a country africa and our control with what is most is in our hands. i think you can not if we look at the historic perfect tied to i do that after the guy is screwed, blah blah blah. when so you'll, you'll, you'll have countries that does state according themselves my, the board to kansas. is it difficult, but is it difficult to see? i think of that history to the point as, as you said there was in god. i think the discussion that we had with the leadership in god. is it kind of an open?

is it kind of a discussion that has not happened in the past, the manner in which we do we see of how we want africa to be on that is control. how afraid the most benefit from from the leeches of the continent. i think the debate is changing and, and, and it isn't much of time, but a food one of these days is going to be due for it. let me just make the point here. when the former coloring, it is color nice in countries with face do with the issue of how to control effort. hm.

they then come up to what was called code the task code, the task way in they we, glen wise in the countries how to remove the lead this enough so that they put to their own puppets. right? it took a long time as it is that what is called a quote, the time was hated. it was a how to take such good lead. that's like why didn't go to them and many of us. but because the she did the by the colonize us, they would buy people so that people are able to, to debra this for their own interest.

you know, what is happening now? they have to it. who does it does have it as it is, act of that kind of a good because that habit people to date don't see the difference between those quotes. does this work for the court? it has that they've taken place now. i said to friends, enough is enough. take the color you will. yeah. that to our mind you must be. yeah. if we would not misled, we would not be say, we cannot to the take these people as i was because the zip code to talk is just that. maybe they don't understand these young people that say enough is enough. that tells you way of today's going. we say let that

did that belongs to of the, the to come and the remaining amount for that and just call it what has been done is absolutely correct. why should the phrase, firstly be seated enough? why should the money be brought from a sense to feed us when we have good? oh, that tells you that as the car is turning the corner, it is lity. it is a i, i have a clear understanding of what is happening because of the, i know that because which way, defeating the end of a free that process to buy europeans zip code because of the applicants defending themselves,

taking themselves out of the kind of what these colonies have done to us, but to some of some of the last minute of we don't see was due to an to the put it in my way. is that doing that on the blah, blah, blah. know that actually taking this drug to truly public africa a day and me, i supported, i couldn't tell you unless it is it kind of uh, it could to tie like the ones before these ones. i said let africa look very simple. you've entice to me the with the, your visit to kind of thing that the would discussions that i'm moving towards this idea of africa's strengthening itself. do you want to give us a little bit of those discussions and the future plans?

no, no, i've just talking with the discussions in general. i don't think i'm talking about the details of talking over the that we as applicants, we, i know the same time is come for us to lose. our country's time is come for us to have a what is lucy's? a looking after the african people belonging to them one to buy gold, the hen silva and evidently must buy, must not take out his ear and good do. he didn't come and sell it for us. that's what to say. that must be the understanding. and d quality and everything it didn't talk about. that's what we're talking about. that's what i'm saying, of it that is attending the con, mutual beneficial relations of civic. uh now let's move on to media.

and since the ship r t, the platform we are on now is celebrating 20 years in december. and it seems to be growing audiences in the global south. what do you think all of our teams existence in the space of countering western media or western news that is being spread over because people don't have access to our tea. a want to get a view from you as to what you think about what are twos doing in giving the global south a voice encountering western media. when i think when the question of communication had been, must that by do was in country is many, many, many years ago and many good things have been put aside by

the media release. i think after the guy has even said to me know, quicker to stand on our own to tell our own stories to tell the stories of those. we think they're not doing that. i'd say the problem is that the, the domain they see in the, of the west in word media has been there for centuries. many people think it is like things that to a made by gold or 10 comment when it is not identical, what time is come that we should spend during our own tell our own stories, not see it to test the tools that go that results is come from our country, they belong to us. we are afraid to say so what made you

sleep? where they think this belonged to the who gave them where they given by board for to good by a force, whatever. now, if in my view, we have not to reach that point to tell the truth of the teas. yes, it may be find that we had beginning to do something. but the men, i want us to tell the truth as it is to think since the ship against our teeth is justified when i, i'm not sure about that because i don't think why should people be stopped from saying what they're saying when i that this can say anything they want and justify . weiss built that still by the people who went go when things who come it beforehand. why think that to, for getting, for an example,

the content studies at only the big country that they would tell the story as much say that's part of why they've been saying, since we've discussed that today is a lot say that kind of everybody's see even at times by the way, even close in that time they say to put in seats, but they have to say and they're supposed to be who, who didn't know so. so my view is that let us eat quad the things because it quite the things where they would take immediate ease. so whatever that is, or luis loves, say that it behaves in what should be done in this world. why should some, some other people have ever seen,

others don't have if they don't have by seeing who can take it, they just so they chose to increase the costs so that you have enough in mind, no money. you can go kindly today. i think it's not site once that as i let you go, mr. zill, not recently you president trump held at a press briefing where he engaged members of the media. and we heard him saying how he feels that the negotiations we must abide and was involved in relation to nato and russia. she missed them up. that's what he said, mr. trump's, and by the midst of the negotiations up and so far as ukraine joining nato. and he says he would have handled it differently. you know, russia, you've been a politician for a number of years. russia has relations with south africa. when you hear mr. donald

trump saying things like that, do you agree that the decision by america, to back to create in, in the way that it did when it comes to nato, was correct. why would people from united states for that too much sped, that was in the russia to a country that is for mother i see as we do as much as enable this kind of little ones together and wanted to send a v web portal. is that too keen dealerships and burden by doing whatever is sitting there is encouraging that he's allowing his signing himself to stead businesses the wish. why the way also to help increase the

military a table for last year. i'm going to show a pin. so such a man was that i listen to that before because we, we always say one piece say who ends for piece, blah, blah, blah. but this piece is one side that is not a piece that is on this key. and therefore, i think what i've said sofa from the time that he cannot waste is money in the last year was a good big country to do little? absolutely correct. i think so. it would be remiss of me of off to a plethora of questions. different questions, his excellency, it would be remiss of me to not to say as we wrap it up, is there anything that you would like to say based on this type of discussion that

we have to do with discuss sufficient what, what i thought this, i mean i did not say much because you spoke to me at some point in days. i said fine discuss other things. i think we've discussed quite a lot of things. i could say more if you want me to book i didn't took anything tomorrow morning. ok. well, thank you so much for your time. we really do appreciate it. we know you are very busy, man with the m k par to new in south africa shaking up the political landscape. we really do appreciate you taking the time to talk to us on our t. thank you very much. the

the move when i would show the wrong just to save house, to come after kids and engagement because the trail when so many find themselves will support. we choose to look so common ground

the history is not in a school curriculum. that's why i decided not let me set itself up. one was in which is stuck in the truth of what really happened here in. he's one of the, the gym and so just bear with the, with the one with taking the picture.