has threatened america. what do you think of that? i think that's absolutely wonderful. police is moving and we need the brakes we need but it's because brakes is not color noisy, brakes is doing business relationship with everybody. yes. and i'm happy that many countries that some kind of does enough for the middle east have seen what needs to be done. that is going to make, this would be a word with that kind of relationship that we make people not stuff in other countries. why see another candidate don't know what to do with them. and the governments of the king of fossil miley have accused ukraine of i'm in rebels in the hell region. in particular. do you think that the international community is re acting to such

a move or these allegations against cubes that the allegedly training rebels in the health region? and of course, i don't have the facts about that. but i, i just made some comment about this. what this business, you know, we in africa with lake city is william and beans was sold as an added to the coma where many people were killed in many ways with people, the board and the president would do it. everyone's about deposit to whatever. there was a fight against slavery when the slave slave would assist him was stopped. finally, the whites realize it was too much with us. they then

put something with a name that the lady with a the quick lane was remember colonization colonization. i don't know what it means. we're quarter nice from liberty to colorado. nice to have been quarter. nice colonization. why didn't it extra you meant to be kind of does takes more countries just take that that now my country right. that's why we ended up with color. nice something funny. right. and there is a going to sit with us, whatever that in english. but we had an english over in south africa and it said

what table around it. we then decided to start fighting for a while, the buddies we are living in a wood, which is a little upset that it cannot be allowed. we are, all human beings is not to do is more eyes and more noses in mo, most of the same way kind. we have the same respect to all of us. and therefore in my view, breaks is an important element to change the walk. i want to go back to the issue of palestine because it's an issue that they didn't see the to claim to have been part of from the young age is in a n c that has strongly supported

a palestine. now when you look at the recent developments now, in relation to the seas via agreement, and do you think it's, it's going to last, given the fact that obviously south africa has been a supporter of guys. i do think that this particular sci fi agreement will hold, i hope, as it it, it should hold it. but this for me is, is it one sided with them and then we should have been done not to like the 1st so the last many times it has to happen in the middle east, middle east and the things i always very complex and difficult if we were to have a quite a understanding of how we should leave among one another. they wouldn't be, was it like that to me? what, what causes the was that is ins as well,

part of the lives in of the guys that plays up to now because of his west, the test. right. and then show in the middle east. maybe that was also have something i'm sure they do go to friendship good or, and lots of what. and that's why the issues, the issues are provoked by defective. that does when to take from others what belongs to them. and they utilize the power to do so. it is unfortunate some of the clements of that type, a, a forced like the one that we're talking about that we have good to have. this is 5, is forced into the if you were to be honest and tell it to us 1st, these really prime minister says that his country is ready to get back into it and

review. so it's, um, it's a tech on him us should. the 2nd phase of the sci fi agreement collapse. do you think this will actually, why is it the word keep them quiet when, when kind of threatens another country like this, when we have like united nations of whatever it and why it was what no matter how much we discussed of the issue is there is no equality would always smarter. one would always suffer. so is it much of that at times of feeling? you don't want to say even anything because the word is not on this to it's do you think said african countries i've taken seriously when it comes to via inputs and resolutions for conflicts?

i think to, to some degree, at times again, it would depend, what are the country with the conflict. so that's a big country is believe it is only them who must say some other people. yes. unless they're under pressure. mm hm. so some are taken but not the majority of it and is it because as i believe, africa, ease in important the content that important quintillion which must speed jump higher to reach is to the position was africa. a

africa has many, many things that the kind of outside of his need. that's the reason why they were able to at least give the sees to come to us because a good to know that that has ever said. but because precisely because of that, africans way put it to a place where they should not be taken very serious was if you have been caught them, nice us and us deals in directly color lice us deals a week or so that goes to get that. we've what input that to make is it taken serious? because if they seem to put an example, no going one this, they would do so if they want to come and attack him, they would kill in a text. i'm so just to make it more clear that what them say that duffy was

created because his country was beginning to say, africa must been doing this or ended leaving his own life. and for that, because he was talking loudly, he had to be killed by a civilized christian kind of people when he had committed them. okay. it said that to talk about africa, our country to think africa has what it takes to be independent. then you spoke about slavery colored lies ation and still being in direct queue colonized through the systems and what is actually happening in the african continents to think africa can stand on its own and stand up against big bullies as some have put it against countries like america that can make threats against countries like you

that have come in to use some of our research. as i said, it depends on what type of an issue of a situation we're talking about. where they can only color otherwise. ones, the west and country is feeds these ones and now it's becoming too big for the size they would come in and they've done so and that's where that came in when the number of times just before the death was cute. i was the last president when to to his come to i when that to talk to him when metal was bombarding. that's cutting and said that was given instructions because it president of has gotten to that to, to fly this way. you lawyer of and people come from europe,

tell us enough for internet in charge. that tells you the story of this coincidence that he was kid because he was very clear about a foot in the was intended to know 20 and a kid that's of the to we have. and the many developments that are happening in the african continent. look at what's happening in mozambique, for example. you speak of god that feet who you say was killed because of his view about africa and wanting it to stand on its own. with your political experience, mr. lula. and given the fact that you now have this m k party, which is the 3rd biggest political part in south africa, do think africa would be able to come together and spend to get those seeing what is happening in this a health vision, for example. yes,

i think after that at this time we have reached a point that we can inside come together. we can in fact, put to us, we got into our hands and develop it. you know, the of the is the big countries for my colonize us. in particular, with the west who want to keep to see the down so that they are able to benefit from of the, the, to control of it. what is left is that effort that should come together and it's better to have a country africa and our control with our results is in our hands. i think you can not.

if we look at these 2, a $56.00 tied to i do that after the guy is screwed, blah, blah, blah. when you, you'll, you'll have countries that the state of coordinating themselves, my, the board to kansas. is it difficult, but is it difficult to see? i think i forgot his release of the point as, as you said there was in god i think the discussion that we had with the leadership in god. is it kind of an open? is it kind of a discussion that has not happened in the past? the manner in which we did we see of the how we, one of the got to be on that is control how for the most benefit from or from the reaches of the continent. i think the

debate is changing and, and, and it does, it matter of time that of food, one of these days is going to be due for it. literally just to make the point here . when the former coloring, it is color nice in countries with face do with the issue of how to control effort. they then come up to what was called code. the task could be task weight in they we, glen wise in the countries how to remove the lead this in africa so that they put their own puppets. but it

took a long time as it is that what is called a co detox was hated because of how to take such good lead. that's like why didn't go to them and the many as but it was initiated to, by the colonize us, they would buy people so that people are able to change their progress for their own interests. you know what is happening now? they have to good good because it does happen as it is that of that kind of a good because that habit people to date don't see the difference between those quote the tests and this was for the quote the tests that they've

taken place. now i said to friends, enough is enough to call you will. yeah. yeah, to our minded must be yeah. if we would not misled, we would not be say, we cannot to take these people as i was because the zip code to talk is just a name. they don't understand these young people that say enough is enough. that tells you way of today's going. as we said, let that did that belong to of the the to come and the remaining amount for the end is call it what has been done is absolutely correct. why should the phrase firstly befitted enough? why should the money be brought from a fence to feed us when we have good?

oh, that tells you that the cart is pending. the corner is elvia lity. it is a i i have a clear understanding of what is happening because of today. i know that because which way, defeating the ends of a free that process to buy european zip code because of the africans defending themselves, taking themselves out of the kind of what these colonies have done to us. but to some of some of glass, even of we don't see was due to into the put it in my way. is that doing it on the blah blah, blah. know that actually taking the struggle to republic africa

a day and me, i support it. i couldn't tell you unless it is it kind of uh, it could be kind of like the ones before these ones. i said, let africa look a very simple the human ties to me, the with your visit to kind of thing that the word discussions that i'm moving towards this idea of africa's strengthening itself. do you want to give us a little bit of those discussions and the future plans? no, no, i'm just talking with the discussions in general. i don't think i'm talking about the details of talking over the that we as of we, i now say time is come for us to lose. our country's time is come for us to have a what is most, is a looking after the african people belonging to them as one to

buy gold and silver. and evidently you must buy, must not take what is us as yet and good. we didn't come and sell it for us. that's what i say. that must be the understanding and the quality and evidence in the attendant talk about. that's what we have talking about. and that's what i'm saying, of that that is turning the corner, mutual beneficial relations of civic. uh now let's move on to media. and since the ship r t, the platform we are on now is celebrating 20 years in december. and it seems to be growing audiences in the global south. what do you think all of our, to the existence in the space of the county, western media or western news that is being spread over because people don't have

access to our tea. a want to get a view from you as to what you think about what are twos doing in giving the global south a voice encountering western media. well, i think when the question of communication has been must said by do within countries many, many, many years ago and many good things have been put aside by the media release. i think after the guy has insights, do more quick to stand on our own to tell our own stories to tell his daughters of those within the i know doing that. i think

the problem is that the donation of the west in word media has been there for the st. louis as many people think it is like things that to a made by gold or 10 common when it is not identical. what time is come that we should spend doing our own, tell our own stories, not see it to test the tools that go, that these us is come from our country. they belong to us. we are afraid to say, so. let me sleep where they think this belong to the who gave them where they can buy board for 2 good by a force, whatever. now, if in my view, we have not to reach that point to tell the truth of the teas. yes,

it may be find that we had beginning to do something, but the men, i want us to tell the truth as it is to think since the ship against our teeth is justified when i, i'm not sure about that because i don't think why should people be stopped from saying what they're saying when i that this can say anything they want and justify wise built at that stop by the people who and go when things who come it beforehand . why things that to, for getting, for an example, the content studies at only the big country is up there with ted. this started as much say, that's part of why they've been saying, since we've discussed that debate is a lot say that kind of everybody's the even at times by the way, even christian at times they say to put in teens. but they have to say,

and they're supposed to be who, who didn't know so so my view is that let us eat quad the things because because of fix, whether you take immediate ease, whatever that is, or luis loves, say that it behaves in what should be done in this world. why should some, some other people have ever seen? others don't have. if they don't have by saying who can take it? they just so they choose to increase the cost. so they do have nothing, no money. who can it will kind of bleach today? i think it's not signed. so what's that? as i let you go, mr. zill, not recently you president trump held at a pris a briefing where he engaged members of the media. and we heard him saying how he

feels that the negotiations we must abide and was involved in relation to nato and russia. she missed them up. that's what she said. mr. trump said by the midst of the negotiations up and so far as ukraine joining nato, and he says he would have handled it differently. you know, russia, you've been a politician for a number of years. russia has relations with south africa. when you hear mr. donald trump sing things like that. do you agree that the decision by america, to back to creating in the way that it did when it comes to nato was correct. why would people from united states for that too much that it was in the last year to a country that is for my last year we had 0 as much as a neighbor,

this kind of little ones together and wanted to send a v web portal is that too keen, a dealership and burden by doing whatever is sitting there is encouraging that he's allowing his signing instead of just that business is the wish. why the way also to help increase the military a table for us? yeah, i'm real sure i couldn't see such a man was that i was the to the for the because we, we always say one piece say who ends for piece, blah, blah, blah. but this piece is one side, there is another piece that is on this key and. busy for i

think what i've said so far from, from that he cannot waste is money in the last year was a good big country to do little? absolutely correct. i think so. it would be remiss of me of off to a plethora of questions, defend questions. his excellency, it would be remiss of me to not to say as we wrap it up, is there anything that you would like to say based on this type of discussion that we have i do with discuss sufficient what, what i thought, i mean i did not say much because who spoke to me at some point in days. i said fine, discuss other things. i think we've discussed quite a lot of things. i could say more if you wanted me to book i didn't talk until

tomorrow morning. ok. well, thank you so much for your time. we really do appreciate it. we know you are very busy, man with the m k par to new in south africa shaking up the political landscape. we really do appreciate you taking the time to talk to us on our t. thank you very much. the the donald trump's return to the white house is world historic by any measure to 47th

president has the advantage of being the 45th. on top of that, he won the popular vote. he has amended, what does he have in store for the the on the on the see the

silver so the how can it be that um, so shipped to the middle east from a country whose top officials constantly complain about shortages of munitions and military equipments. this through a little bit of boston low cream and maybe a little in your system and below grade level nominal facility or some of those other staff we, i'm about the easiest little so wonderfully and we'll have an easy somebody remember, but uh, sort of well, nice to have to kind of get this to have him come down. now, why are weapons from ukraine spreading over the world to, to this country and to a major arms hub, will continue to bolster ukraine's and forces by rushing them a capabilities that they need to defend their country. the everyone knows very well that we don't sell but known as pineapples or any kind of children's toys. we sell weapons. yes, we're also known in the world as homes dealers that we must not be ashamed of that

the of the there is only one vehicle which is used for ex dave with shank fly r as well as a double task which is actually risk doing the dead or was doing that one did, and taking them out of the rub of civil defense teams retrieve a $120.00 volt days from the ruins of gone to the emergency was phone to the left without sufficient equipment from mom's house to make the month if the regions shaky cease also. families were unites with the loved ones as 90 palestinians. the said for a form is way the prisons we hear from a low co journalist to face extreme cruelty hearing, however name that'll happen. how does our bag just and bargain.