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a piece for the government to the personally for the prime minister for it. so from the, from, from his policy, they don't accept the, they see only this know, see, is south and north from these are, isn't there? absolutely. no, but i do for, for nor am i live in 21st century. i mean, political life now, i know that i did complete the power for all the people that are better future, especially younger generation is i go to the, is absolutely on the of propaganda from, from the literacy for progressively that a few minutes ago. and i don't even know 5 to 4 for a position fox is the right to stay with us and our to international up next on cross talk, peter lavelle and his guests discuss donald trump's return to the white house and what's in store for all of us the

the hello and welcome to cross talk. we're all things are considered. i am peter lavelle. donald trump's return to the white house is world historic by any measure . the 47th president has the advantage of being the 45th. on top of that, he won the popular vote. he has a mandate. what does he have in store for us? the cross sucking president trump, i'm joined by my guess under gala or in washington. he's an executive partner at market bridge advisors, as well as

a new journey pack board member in columbus. we have miss the winston. she is inactive as an host of action for a solid. and in the twin cities we cross the calling raleigh. she is a former f b i agent, all right, across that goes in effect. that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate me. see, let me go to you 1st because the last time we spoke on this program, we were both the black pill people we were in the black pill category. okay. i don't know how well you can see it. i, i took copious notes of the mondays are now due ration. and um, i have to say it's kind of a mixed bag. very different from the 2016 or 2017 and dog girl, a lot of mixed messages. one of the things i really liked was a revolution of common sense of that rain very well with me. but a lot of other things i was, i was kind of mystified. your thoughts go ahead, misty? well, i agree with you. i think it was certainly a mixed bag. i think i wasn't entirely sure what we were going to get from trump in his speech. and i think that he, like you said he came across and in some ways,

you know, very strong and helpful and all of those things. but also, as you mentioned, as a mixed messages as well. so i think some of the attendees were certainly interesting, obviously your e mails and was not far behind donald trump. i guess that's what a $100000000.00 will get you. um, so definitely a lot of things that i think that these the, these i, as they always say these 1st 100 days, we're going to be very telling. and i think really these, this 1st week really, i think, is going to be very significant in terms of being able to gauge exactly the direction that the presidency is going to go. colleen if i go to you in the twin cities, as i said in my introduction, he has a mandate. we haven't seen this for a while in the united states. public opinion polls are so basically looking like they want to give the guy a shot. so something that we've known for a very long time. now donald with we are in the age of donald trump, and i have to wonder as a a, an aside of joe biden will be remembered at all because he's book ended, trump and trump, and he's stuck in the middle. obviously, in my opinion,

you can disagree of you with a dreadful presidency, a disastrous presidency. and maybe that's what you know, people are looking for something different because we do know a lot about donald trump. is it because the, the bite ministration was so disastrous that people are hopeful, but trump can turn it around, go ahead in the twin cities to. yes, i think you actually completely nailed it. people voted for change of trump began to shake up right away within really, within minutes of his inauguration. and um, you know, we'll have to see how this all pans out that the 64000000 dollar question can trump actually, uh, uh, to the actually, uh, fulfill the publics. maybe it's the publics dreaming for certain things because people saw different things. and in donald trump, and i think that will be the challenge. i think there will be a problem of,

of him actually fulfilling the promises he tried, you know, he threw out 2 different groups during the campaign. and especially the, you know, the notion that said there's a big establishment in washington which people call, he called the swap. so that's, that's a challenge. but i think people were voted hit for him for that reason. i i agree, you know, hunter, i was always watching the inaugural live and again, it was a very different speech and then his 1st and all girl i, the i, there were some anger issues that were expressed which i thought were completely unnecessary because i think the country needs a new vision, this abandonment of this liberal boutique politics that i think we all got disgusted with in the and, and, but, but, but at the same time, there was, there wasn't a whole lot of focus and i'd like to point out any with everyone there was almost a 0 foreign policy get there is the foreign policy is really very much front and

center of this president right now. ukraine wasn't mentioned once. so something that he was supposed to solve of the day. what are your thoughts of being real? go ahead hunter. well, 1st of all, it's always a pleasure to be on the program. i was, is a little disappointed to be honest with the viewing audience because what i was looking for is not what we got. and it's blatantly obvious that we have a different trump that we have from 2016. if you look at the donor pool, i believe he's bought and paid for at this point. and i'm just being very, very critical of that. so there was no mention of foreign policy, there was no mention of any of the things that are front and center. a little bit of mentioned with regards to the panama canal, but not really of interest. and we have ongoing wars. um, you know, this whole concept of the make america great. again, make america healthy again. all of this other stuff. i don't really believe from a policy perspective that he'll, he'll be successful in doing that because if you look,

we only one the house by like one or 2 books. right? so, and it's gonna flip in 2 years. so i always look at it from a policy perspective. i really look at it from a rhetorical perspective. you know, going look also as the, and i'll get ration was happening or slightly before. and i guess we, none of us really aware of it because we're glued to the screen watching me now duration. but the pardons that writing signed, i mean, that is revolting. what she did absolutely revolting, short circuiting the legal process and we will now ever make may never find out the origins of cobra. the origins of russia, gate mark, milly, i mean, why did he deserve a pardon? can you explain that one to me? i mean that that's why people voted for donald trump, not because he's a upstanding man, and he's a, a visionary is it is so disgusting how powdery the administration was. and it's last days. i know that was an election day, but i mean this air in your dirty laundry like that. i mean, i, well,

i know i want trump to succeed down more than ever because of those pardons. go ahead. you know, peremptory pardons for something or, you know, potential crimes that haven't even been investigated just to pardon your own family . to pardon that the medical industrial complex led by 5 g that included a horrible virus and creation of a horrible virus as well as you know, all kinds of money making. unbelievable. what this does is, you know, and we've had in many ways it sweeps away the rule of law because you cannot peremptorily part and someone who hasn't even been investigated. and guess what? this sets a precedent, this war is the bar now are 212 actually now, what if you think about it? if i was donald trump, i said, well, you know what, you can give pardons to people and you can order them to commit crimes pro 50

wanted to could order people to commit crimes. and then the, the, you know, the last hour before he leaves, he can give them pardons. so it makes crime, it's absolutely, you know, much more permissible. i mean, that's the worst possible fig precedents that bite in could have sat. and here we go. i mean, i the future doesn't look good. yeah. well, i thought it was trump that broke all the norms here. a misty. yeah. if we could just go to foreign policy now. the panama. um, uh, the, the gulf of the united states, a gulf of america. um, what's going on there? because i thought rush, it was supposed to be your, the world is supposed to be angry at russia over ukraine. but if you, if trump wants to take panama back, why can china take taiwan back as well? the foreign policy issue is the finally demand. listen, i don't, i don't know what you're talking about. the renaming the golf to the golf of

america is got to be our most pressed the pressing foreign policy issue. i mean, it's very clearly there's nothing else going on in the world. peter, this is where we need to focus our energy. it's like this is our approach that he's taking and it's really not surprising. no, i think that that is it. we're going to see him back away dramatically from foreign policy. as most presidents do, he's going, i mean, he made all of these major promises in particular, in regards to ukraine. i think most people are more or most concerned about what's happening in gauze of the genocide. it's been taking place there. obviously, as i mentioned already, he is and we've already talked about 100 mentioned how he is owned and operated now . and i think mary made an alias and as one of those top owners, so i think that that's going to be very significant thing to look out for and how he manages the foreign policy issue in the days and months leading forward. because that is to me, i think for him, policy is not generally something that the american public focus is on too much during an election year. but i think that this year in particular. yeah, it was much more of the focus that we've ever seen. and i think that that's really

in me see you looking at um, data on the election that might have been the issue that uh, harris lost on among democrats. yeah. yeah it's, it's quite hunter, i mean, yeah, i bought and paid for. i mean, liberal media is, uh, that's the big thing. you know, the ability to areas around trump. i mean, what are they talking about? the democratic party is bolen of billionaires. i mean, again, this ridiculous new narrative for the left. a failing left that failed left and now they're going down this path. really go ahead hunter or? yeah, i mean, i love the way, i the way i view it and the way i observe it is, you know, i'd be very, very weary when the enemy now is your friend. right. i mean, the, the big tech oligarchs which fighting was correct in his farewell address. i mean, he said, be where the, the, the, the tech, the oligarchs that are coming in. and these were people that literally used warfare to go against trump. and now they're citing with them again,

when you look at all of the events that are going on any surrounded by these people . i mean, i look at it from a profit perspective, you know, being in the business sector. i look at, i look at where is the profit center? so is it, are they protecting an investment? that's how it would pursue. that was how i would perceive it. and i hope listen, i'm hopefully optimistic, but at the same time i'm still critical with regards to actual policy being enacted, especially when you look at as misty was saying, a foreign policy approach. war is the profit center. let's be very honest. it's a very, it's a profit center, and so if all of a sudden war stops, what happens? all of the defense contracts that these major tech companies out. i'm just saying, well, you guys, oh you, it's a few, it's, it's the best money maker in america, right? now, i mean by a, by a long shot. okay. i mean, it's no coincidence that afghanistan ended in ukraine. started right up right on the heels. and that was very little bit of a break there. okay, folks, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue. continue. our discussion on trump's new presidency stays with our

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because i mean, we can just kind of look at the optics of it to mean to my lifetime watching one president hand over the keys to the next one. it's a couple of trump didn't, you know, he wasn't too happy in 2021. so you didn't show up for obvious reasons, okay? but usually, you know, they'd like to give this pretense of a, an exchange of power transfer power. but i would argue that maybe more so than in the past, but there is a cultural shift. that's what we saw more than anything else. there's only 2 genders. and a, d i, d, d, e, i programs and things like that. but i'm not sure it's a transfer of real power hunter. your thoughts, as you know, i, it's, it's opulence, it's pomp and circumstance. it's entertainment. trump has been in the entertainer. he's been on tv for the past 2030 years that we've been following him. and so this

was, as he said, even in one of his tweets or one of his truth posts is it's going to be great for the viewing audience. right. and so i think it's just a lot of pomp and circumstance do i, i think we have the concept of a peaceful transition of power. but when you really kind of start peeling back the layers of the onion and you start looking at, is there really we still have a major industrial complex, right? we saw the military industrial complex. we still have 10000 people that were, are in the bureaucratic system of washington. so is it a power? and maybe we'll see what the, what the 1st 100 days comes. and if the actual policy can be passed, must be the same question to you, okay? because again, if you look at the inaugural address, it was very heavy on these cultural issues, perceptions of ourselves, the perceptions of the economy, perceptions of our place and the world. but it really wasn't grounded in facts, misty, or. yeah, well, i'm very much of the opinion that those cultural issues are used merely to divide

the people. i think that there really is never any shift a power thing. power's constant in this country. and all of these people are essentially owned and operated by the exact same power structures. so i don't see, i think our matters of war and wall street. there's one party and they use everything else to keep the people divided and fighting amongst ourselves. and i think that that's really what we're seeing here. they're using these kind of cultural issues, the sort of social justice issues, those types of things as a distraction, as a means to keep the people divided while they can tell you continued to rape. pillage, in plunder. well, uh uh, it's go to the twin cities, colleen, and i think that's the reason why foreign policy was mentioned because the deep state, the swamp, whatever you want to call it, they liked the uh, they liked the, the binding foreign policy. they liked it a lot. okay. and, and, and of course, uh trump, once that he says he wants to push back. i'm, i'll believe it when i see it go ahead as well. if you watch the confirmation hearings of marco ruby. yeah. yeah. i think,

i think he'll be the power in this new administration and in and others, it wasn't just him, it was waltz, it was many others. basically, they promised to double down on the pre existing foreign policy of trying to, to, you know, control the world. you know, essentially, so i, i think you have crap made a lot of promises and he was all over the map. he double talk, see, he's inconsistent and that's why people hear what they want to hear. you don't have a huge challenge if he tries to and the ukraine war for a lot of reasons. and if he tries to stop israel from the, from reneging on the ceasefire, you'll have, i get, you know, on, i really doubt he will try to do that. i think chris or something up right there. yeah. well, i think marco will be a little that's last the 4 years a by the mid terms, he'll be out running for president afterwards. okay. it's going to be

a free for all the next cycle. free for all 100. i don't, i was, i'm, i was trained as an academic historian. i don't want to get real nerdy with people here, but trump, wrench, and president mckinley, which is really kind of interesting because he was a 25th, a president, the united states. he was assassinated and he, his legacy is a arch imperialist. i mean, really, donald trump, you yeah. and also almost in the, in the same paragraph. he said he wanted to be a peacemaker and a unifier. he repeated himself a piece, baker and a unifier. and he was talking about president mckinley a, any thoughts on that? you know, i said it didn't sound like his normal speech. yeah. i don't really understand. i mean, i can maybe relate to the imperialism. i'm not really, i don't know what that serves in the speech, to be honest with you. when i look at it, it just, i don't know what he was trying to get at for, for, you know, the,

the people of america, right. is it a we're going to enter into an imperialistic rule and reign, and it's going to be the legacy of donald trump. i mean, really starting out a term is a lame duck. i mean, that's the fact, right? he's, he's out. he's on this is last term, right he's, he added in 45 now is 47 and we're going to see what, what, what happens with it. well, you know, miss eve. yeah, i'm glad that the hunter brought that up because um trump has a huge out size ego. and legacy is his most important issue right now by far. and he has the, the, the, the power within his grass to be world historic, like his return to power. but he could get in peach for doing it. okay. ending the war and ukraine and telling israel to stop committing genocide. he won't do either . misty, no, he won't do either. and i think that that's because as we've already mentioned a couple of times here today, he's now bought and paid for. and i think that he more importantly to him,

then i think legacy is just the idea that he has to please those donors. i mean that is, that is his really his job. he's not, in my opinion, he's no longer and was probably never out to serve the american people. but certainly now, given the amount of money that has been funneled into his campaign that has been funneled into him in general, i think that there is just no way that he is going to displeases donors in any significant way. and i think both of those 2 things that you mentioned, both ukraine and ending and genocide and gaza would greatly displease as donors. the military industrial complex loves there. uh you know, their, their pound of flesh. and so i think that there is no way that he's going, he's going to have to do some fancy footwork to appease his base, who were very much looking forward to these, the grade situation being brought to a close. so he's going to have to do some, but he's very adapted doing that. he's very good at speaking to his base and you know, convincing them that he's doing the right thing for them. um, so it's very likely that he'll be able to, to, to full those people. but i think as you mentioned, it's very unlikely that he is going to do either of those. yeah,

i think j. d vance is going to be the con. do it to the base. okay. because uh, yeah we've, we already had the visa debacle and that's going to return everyone. colleen being part of a, one time law enforcement here. i was kind of struck about the anger issues that trump has about what was done to him. and of course they're saying that you know, he wants revenge and all that to date trumps. and that's not really his style. but i don't know if you saw his split 2nd presentation after the inauguration of texas . governor abbot was there and he went on and wandered and meandered. it was really quite all. i didn't even kind of reminded me a bite and a little bit here. but he worries me that he really wants vengeance. i want justice . i want justice. i want things to be fixed. okay. but i didn't get that impression from that speech. yeah, he needed to frame this as

a call for account ability. yep. justice. as opposed to looking like he's going after enemies and even you know, cache patel who is ostensibly the new f b i, director if he makes it through. he has tried to reframe this, you know, up this notion that he's going after people his, his up, his actually taking away the security clearance. yeah. we already did that. he took away the security clearance of the 51, former c i a and intelligence people who covered up the hunter, buying laptop. and so, i mean he's, he, he, it hit the ground running in essentially on this. and yeah, i'm all for accountability. i think that the f b i and going after the president in monitoring is a successor. a really went too far and i, i would love to see some accountability and some justice, but not vengeance. yeah. yeah. well, it, it doesn't pay dividends in the,

in hunter, given our short conversation the all of us here together. is it possible to have a successful presidency? because biden's was a disaster. trump had had so many obstacles that he had to overcome. which, you know, kind of covers if they had good ideas or bad ideas. i don't think that obama was successful. george w bush wasn't. i mean, is it now structurally impossible to have a successful presidency? and i think we have to define what success is in terms of the presidency, right? i think, you know, we've heard the same thing, make america great. again. what is great, what is the definition of great, right? let's make america beautiful again. what does that even mean? right, so i don't want to be so critical of trump because i, you know, it was obviously a fan of his and, and do believe in the, the, the hopeful, optimistic thing that america can be. but i mean,

it's gotta stop with the foreign wars. it's gotta stop with out and towering to these other, you know, donor base. i mean, look, mary madison gave them $270.00, but like over a $100000000.00. right. we're, these are a bought and paid for administration, the donor class, the, the, the military industrial complex. these are profit centers. i mean, unless you really drained that swap by making america 1st policies. i still think we're just running around in circles under a new name and a new brand. very good. what last minute goes to miss the missed the uh, the democrats took their base for granted. i don't think trump should take his base for granted. people really want change, they can be what their anger, they're angry. that's why they voted. he can't ignore his bass, misty, and i think he shouldn't ignore his base. but i think it's very likely that he's going to ignore space because as i mentioned, he's got those donors that he needs to please. and i think that that's really the 1st thing on his priority list. that's unfortunate,

but that's the reality of the presidency in modern america, so i don't think you should ignore as bass. i think he's going to, but i'm not sure that it matters. i think that there's a lot of them that are very loyal to him and not make continue. uh, despite what he does. yeah. well, in, in, in speaking of his base here, one of the other issues we don't have time to talk about is, does a trump have a message of unity? and that was one of the criticisms of this inaugural address. we'll all see, i'm like the rest of you. i'll go with the benchmark of a 100 days. i'm going to keep an open mind until then. i want to say, i think so my guess in the twin cities, washington and in columbus. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at r t c a next time. and remember prospect the

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