visions, which must be on the, to didn't context on the context that i want to bring, particularly with regard to the will in so done is that there is that he's $32.00 it when so done, regained independence on wednesday. done was seen as a country that was, are in each orientation with a significant african population. so don was never these, those do i in the close districts in the south. i get dated for a long time, which culminated in the independence of south to done in the 2011 of the menu was the and yeah and yeah was, and it is also important that often solves to don, regained independent. there's been a conflict in that fighter of the world in the nova mountains in the bloom niles and in the dive for agents, but the most recent of the conflicts and didn't did even before that, didn't that,

that full wall. it was actually confirmed that the administration of a model but she was sponsoring our groups known as the agenda we do. i talk to people in data from it is the john joe weeds that have know most into the artist service, which has innovated the government of sudan, lead device, and put it on on him meth, team stuff. who was part of the sudanese on me, but he's now seen as the leader of the art assess. and this is where the acquisitions are coming in. number one that they've been coming from ukraine and not only ukraine in other parts of this. one was former soviet union, the even claims that they have been boots on the ground. and they have been claimed that there has been a recruitment of interview just from the outside of the and region. and when the

conflict between russia and ukraine started, one of the things that came to the full was the quote distinction between the russia on the west, in the 1900, the 9th is the undertakings was given to the russians. the nato would not expand to the east, and when is the nato countries, not the dix funding to they used with the apartment enticement of the key of government to join the repeating union event. the contest ations acquired a totally different car. at that context is important. for us to appreciate in order to understand what is now being characterized the involvement of ukraine on even russia in the african continent. the most important thing that's happened recently and print it then default is when the government of molly accused

ukraine direct that there was supporting inside agencies in mali. and that they were being used to fight a proxy will in russia. and i remember the, the bus set out of ukraine was actually summoned into bama cool by the administration of a team. great. and there was told that if you don't stop participating in the insurgency in molly is then we are going to expand you and going to see but diplomatic ties. and they are quite a number of occasions in visiting good. and it must be understood once again in context, the russian involvement in many of these conflicts is seen to be a little different from the involvement of ukraine. seems to be different in visiting that it is best government of this central african republic, for example, that the invite the group. because the insurgency is that was fun said by multiple

parties, including the french. it is also the case that in countries such as a book, enough iso and if any news at once, the americans had been expelled. it is these administrations that invited the russian administration of the russian army to offer both training and support. so the presence of russia, as opposed to the presence of ukraine, is seen unexplained differently. but as it is in a month, as of these, a nature, they don't with the different arguments by both sides of the device that allows us to examine the presence of russia, then we come to the presence of ukraine in the continental vice versa. and particularly in the con, would new to conflict in so that a number one, as we have said and said time and time again, she had been under the soviet union was not the typical quarter nicer. and the

reason passed after the collapse of the body in wall, there has been what is described as that she and soft file and visit osh and soft file has been seen as the count the weight to the traditional power of the western countries which retained the military bases in the continent of africa, the french with their ministry basis in different parts of the quarter needs. the americans of costs expressing the powers through different small, di national agencies. and russia was not in many of these cases. but discipline in the intimate way, is that the wisdom power as well. and it is in this regard, therefore, that when the regimes which gained power through what on the level of protocol is called unconstitutional changes of power. that they wind advising the russians to

protect them. this invitation has been seen as i've already indicated in central african republic and bunkie. the bunky administration. you have seen this invitation in the government in nam may in is it. and sometimes this happens, particularly in nam may when they see that you in your mines on the friends well or does out on west and foster as well or does out the nea may administration images that we don't have the capacity we have for we are inviting a friendly power to train us on to offer as a temporarily protection, as we protect online so that russian presence is sending that to the good. of course, that little idea when uh, the webinar group, well, but 8 and as an independent entity, there was seen to be almost in the nature of must entries, but with the depth of the leader. and then rationalize vision of their

participation on the naming of the african quote. it is seen as the beach had for the russian administration to try and engage these particular countries. and it is not lost on me. the. the russian for administer levels has been in those countries quite a bit with a view to explaining and deepening about the relationship. conversely, ukraine is not up by law in the mind that russia ease and didn't, did one kind of say that even during the soviet era, whenever one wanted to talk about the soviet union, the name for the soviet union was that i should say in the minds of many people, whenever you talked about the soviet union, you could as well even stay in rush and bill for us. yes, stock in people's mind in that to be good on when ukraine via full is involving

itself in the affairs of any african country is seen as fighting a proxy well on behalf of the western world. and the reason is very simple. even in this war that is going on in the united, threatening, going on, the united states of america is involved. the wisdom countries are involved. it is seen that ukraine is actually a c, r for a war that is being prosecuted by nato. against that, i should, that being the case, even if there is a width of the presence in any country in africa, it is frowned up on the scene as a thing on the b, at the behest of the neil colonizers on the involvement is not welcome and that is the context in which we must understand the, the resentment we have seen in there is in fast, i think, in the 2023, the president of russia, if not, maybe within that thing and quite

a number of african leaders and some of the institutions that came out of those meetings was that the many african countries do actually support russia in the as well. whether it is right or not is another debate. but russians are saying, what are the africans are saying, you have to do with us in times of difficulty. we know that the fight you engaged in is not to you a fight. it is a fight that is being for the acute that testing may do. and to control the what we have therefore, costs you owe a lot with you. i mean the position, but let us come to sue then this was done. conflict is, is very confident you did the concept. i can see what you did in the sense that i the southern stage in the life of su, done during the item is fission of ahmad al. but sheer, the a was what was code is they are by is vision of islam. so that when you

are talking about islam, it was not simply that you are a photo of their religion, but you are also added up by the position of a r i bit of the language and they, why are you deal? it's like customized to drive the who uh, the intellectual weight on the think that's behind a might. and by sheer on wednesday, john joe, we met the was then seeing it to the using the fi, up our, against the dark skin, the people in the food that gave the wall in. so done a totally different cut it. and then that the 5th, therefore, is you have claims of libyans being in this space. you have claims of americans through sutton support being in this phase. you have claims of ukrainian being in this space. and we know this other stuff has been recruiting young people

across this. i had a problem as far as judge from us. far as and these yet these um, must synergies who are prosecuting the war against the brand government? and that is why it has not been easy to resolve this conflicts. we know, for example, there was an attempt to buy you got to resolve this particular concept. but the, the brand government rejected the appointment of the canyon prison on the ground that he was about to send. and we also know that there has been an attempt at resolution of this conference in gender, in saudi arabia with the so these are the americans playing the leading role that i shouldn't have been muted in this particular month old was solution, but the conflict is continuing the pace and only the last few days there was an attempt to involve present the size that fed will key will vary for you on the understanding that he does have some kind of connection with both him. it the on put on. all these are happening at the time when there is great confusion,

and of course, the names of russia and the names of ukraine. we'd always be there because of the ukrainians, if they don't have boots on the ground. also seen as a conduit of, of weapons. but particularly when you have the s k for the subsidy in the mix, we always look to that part of the supplies of the k 47. so this situation is an interesting one that you have play as in the continent of africa. fruit guys, one. so gain a sort of concept, russia expressing ourselves through soft power in southern cases, even being allowed to establish military bases in southern cases if and being invited to take over the basis that i've been up bundled by the west with that, that is a good or bad thing, the judy is still out, but i hold the view that the relationship between the african countries and russia

must be defined. it must be a relationship that is not one over dominance, but is one of collaboration and as concerns ukraine. i or the view that on till now, i have not seen evidence that they have been invited by in the country to participate on. the participation is seen as one that has been procured by the neo colonizers. and that is an unfortunate thing and what one should see come only when you are invited. thank you very much, let as a photo, a selves, a short break as we continue the conversation about the continental classic. the

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