the ukrainians include the russians, some say event them either on these on the proxy forces. and of course, the involvement of those countries not only into the done but in other parts of africa and is important to warn. noah serves that in times such as these on the motto, such as these the up to visions on the account acquisitions, which must be on the to didn't context on the context that i want to bring, particularly with regard to the will in so done is that there is, i is 32 it when so done, very gained independence on wednesday. done was seen as a country that was are in each orientation with a significant african population. so don was never these,

those do i in the close districts in the south, i get dated for a long time, which culminated in the independence of south to done in the 2011 after many was the and yeah and yeah was, and it is also important that often solves to don, regained independence. there's been a conflict in that part of the world in the nova mountains in the bloom niles and in the dive for egypt. but the most recent of the conflicts and didn't did even before that during the doubtful wall. it was actually confirmed that the administration of a model but she was sponsoring our groups known as the agenda we to adopt the people and dad for it is the john joe weeds that have no most into the outer assess which has innovated and the government of sudan,

led by, i'd put it on on him meth, teams of who was part of the suit. and these on me, but he's now seeing the, as the leader of the out assess. and this is where the accusations are coming in. number one that they've been coming from ukraine and not only ukraine in other parts of this, one was former soviet union. the even claims that they have been boots on the ground. and they have been claimed that there has been a recruitment of individuals from the outside, 80 and region. and when the conflict between russia and ukraine started, one of the things that came to the full was the quote, the distinction between the russia on the west, in the 1900 and ninety's undertakings was given to the russians, the nato would not expand to the east and when is the nato countries thought the dix funding to they used with the buyer and the enticement of the key

of government through joining the european union event. the cont, decisions applied a totally different part of that context is important for us to appreciate in order to understand what is now being caught up the rise of the involvement of ukraine on even russia in the african continents. the most important thing that's happened recently and print it didn't default is when the government of molly accused ukraine direct that there was supporting inside agencies in molly. and that there was being used to fight a proxy will in russia. and i remember the, the bus set out of ukraine was actually summoned in the bama cool by the administration of a to be great. and there was told that if you don't stop but dissipating in the insurgency in molly is then we are going to expand, you are going to see,

but diplomatic ties. and they are quite a number of accusations in visiting god. and it must be understood once to gain in context, the russian involvement in many of these conflicts is seen to be a little different from the involvement of ukraine. seems to be different in visiting that it is this government of the central african republic, for example, that the invite the group. because the y insurgency, that was fun, said by multiple parties, including the french. it is also the case that in countries such as book, enough us, so on the if any news that one's the americans had been expelled. it is these administrations that invited the russian administration of the russian army to offer both training and support. so the presence of russia, as opposed to the presence of ukraine, is seen and explain differently. but as it is in a month, as of these, a nature,

they don't with the different arguments by both sides of the device that allows us to examine the presence of russia. then we come to the presence of ukraine in the continent of africa. and particularly in the con, would new to conflict in so don a number which as we have said on said diamond time again, russia been under the soviet union was not the typical quarter nicer. and the reason passed after the collapse of the body in wall, there has been what is described as the last young soft file on visit. osh and soft file has been seen as the cone, the weight to the traditional power of the western countries which retained the military basis in the continent of africa. the french with the ministry basis

in different parts of the quarter. and these, the americans of costs expressing the powers through different small, di national agencies. and russia was not, in many of these cases, participant in the intimate way. is that the wisdom power as well? and it is in this regard, therefore, that when the regimes which gained follow through what on the level of practically is called unconstitutional changes of power, that they wind violating the russians to protect them. this invitation has been seen as i've already indicated in central african republic and bunkie, the bunky administration. we have seen this invitation in the government in nam may in egypt. and sometimes this happens, particularly in nam may when they see that you're in your minds on the friends well or does out on west and foster as well or does out the nea may

administration initially it said we don't have the capacity. we have full, we are inviting a friendly power to train us on to offer as a temporary protection as we protect online so that russian presence is seen in dr . the good. of course, a little idea when uh, the webinar group. well, for a thing as an independent entity, there was seen to be almost in the nature of must entries, but with the depth of the leader, and that rationalization of their participation on the naming of the african quote . it is seen as the beach had for the russian administration to try and engage these particular countries and it is not lost on me the, the russian for administer levels. i've been in those countries quite a bit with a view to explaining and deepening. that's the relationship. conversely, ukraine is not up by law in the mind that russia ease and didn't did one kind of

say that even during the soviet era, whenever one wanted to talk about the soviet union, the, as a name for the soviet union was the last year. so in the minds of many people, whenever you talked about the soviet union, you could as well even stay in rush and bill for us. yes, stock in people's mind in that to be good on when ukraine, the, a full is involving itself in the affairs of any african country is seen as fighting a proxy war on behalf of the western world. and the reason is very simple. even in this war that is going on in the united evening, going on and the united states of america is involved the wisdom countries i involve. it is seen that ukraine is actually a c, a for a war that is being prosecuted by nato. against that i should, that being the case,

even if there is the width of the presence in any country in africa, it is frowned up on the scene as a thing on the be at the behest or been neil colonize us on the involvement is not welcome and that is the context in which we must understand the, the resentment we have seen in there is in fast, i think, in the 2023, the president of russia, if not made, put them into thing quite a number of african leaders. and some of the institutions that came out of those meetings was that the many african countries do actually support russia in these wall. whether it is right or not is another debate. but the russians are saying, what are the africans are saying? you have to do with us in times of difficulty. we know that the 5 to and k then is not to a fight. it is a fight that is being present cute the testing may do and to control the while we

have the full cost you. i looked with you, i mean the position, but when i was come to sit down, this was done. conflict is, is the very confident you did the concept, a concert in the sense that adds a certain stage in the life of su, done during the item is fission of ahmad al. but sheer, the a was what was called is they are by vision of islam. so that when you are talking about islam, it was not simply that you are a photo of their religion. but you are also added up by the position of a r i bit as the language and the why are you little like customized to drive the who uh, the intellectual weight on the think that's behind a minor and by sheer and when the john joe, we had met the was then seen it to be using the fi, up our,

against the ducks, in people in the food that gave the wall in so done, i've talked to a different credit. and the net effect therefore, is you have claims of libyans being in this space. you have claims of americans through sutton support being in this phase. you have claims of ukrainian being in this space. and we know this other stuff has been recruiting young people across this i had a from as far as judge from as far as the needs that these um, must henry's do of prosecuting the war against the brand government. and that is why it has not been easy to resolve this conflicts. we know, for example, there was an attempt to buy you got to resolve this particular concept, but the brand government rejected the appointment of the canyon prison on the ground that he was. but his son and we also know that there has been an attempt at

the resolution of just punch it in did the, in saudi arabia with this. so these are the americans playing the leading role that i shouldn't have been muted in this particular month. old was solution, but the concept is continuing the pace. and only the last few days it was on time to involve uh, present this site as a federal key will vary for you on the understanding that he does have some kind of connection with both him it the and put on all these uh, happening at the time when that is great confusion and of course the names of russia and the names of ukraine would always be there because of the ukrainians, if they don't have boots on the ground. also seen as a quantity of, of weapons. but particularly when you have the ex k for the subsidy, the mix, we always look to that part of the while does the supplies of a k 47? so the situation is an interesting one that you have play as in the continental

viper car, uppercase one. so gain a sort of conflict. russia expressing ourselves through soft power in southern cases, even being allowed to establish military bases in southern cases, even being invited to take over the basis that i've been a bundled by the west with that, that is a good or bad thing. the judy is bailout, but i hold the view that the relationship between the african countries and russia must be defined. it must be a relationship that is not one of dominance, but is one of collaboration and as concerns ukraine. i or the view that on till now, i have not seen evidence that they have been invited by in the african country to participate on. the participation is seen as one that has been procured by the neil colored noises. and that is an unfortunate thing. and what one should see,

come only when you are invited. i. thank you very much sir. let as a photo, a selves, a shock break as we continue the conversation about the continental plastic, the take a fresh look around. there's a life kaleidoscopic, isn't just a shifted reality distortion by power to do vision with no real opinions. fixtures, design to simplify will confuse really was a better wills, and is it just as it shows you, fractured images, presented to this, but can you see through their illusion going underground can the cover the, the photo gallery of, of risks facing those in this region?

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