hello and welcome to cross software. all things are considered on peter level as promise, donald trump is off to the races. the new president is not wasted time on doing biden's legacy and moving ahead with such issues as immigration. he has a mandate to govern. kenny keep his diverse base behind him and will the ruling elite submit the cross talking trump, i'm joined by my guess, patrick headings and in plymouth. he is editor and founder of the 21st century wire in northern. we have co ends alone. he is an opinion editor at anti war dot com, as well as co host of conflicts of interest. and in los angeles, we cross a run for clone. he is a comedian and filmmaker whose movie left that wall comes out january 24th across multiple platforms. gentlemen, cross lock rolls and the fact that means you can jump anytime you want, and i always appreciate it. let me go to patrick 1st and plymouth. he wasn't

supposed to be elected in 2016. he wasn't supposed to be elected in 2024, but here we are. okay. and we have the vantage point that he was 45th and now he's 47, but i still really don't have a clear idea of what he wants to do. because as i mentioned in my introduction as a very diverse base maggie is whatever you want it to mean, i think a lot of people voted that way. so give me a checklist of the 1st few days to visit ministration. is he's been signing his name a lot. go ahead, patrick. oh, sure, sure. peter. yeah, i mean, the 1st thing is, this is, this is the, the trump governing in 2025 is very different than the trump that would have been governing in 2021. and so we can see with all of that time with the controversy of the last election and him being kind of there in opposition. trolling the, the republican party and the democratic part of the binding white house and coming in really with a vengeance with an agenda and with something to prove in

a way that i think it will also with a little bit of escape velocity from the the hold that they had upon him in 2020, with all of the different impeachment scandals and so forth. he's, he's had time to break free of that. and he, he's on least himself on this in the executive orders. he's showing he's coming good on a major campaign, promises january 6, amnesty for all of the j 6 years hitting back at big tech censorship and government censorship as well. whole range of executive orders that i think are the i the, the anti woke agenda is basically dead. affirmative action is dead now. there's going to be a lot of legal challenges with birth rights, citizenship, death penalty for legal. so he's taking a lot of this is going to get tied up in the courts in the next couple of years, but on the main stuff, i think he's come out pretty hard and strong and so he's made the statement. now the real business of governing begins,

and this is the tricky part there. and so we'll see how it plays out. yeah, the real business of governor, i'm glad you put it that way. uh, kyle: uh, patrick used the word unleashed himself. okay. but lot of those things that patrick mentioned, not all of them, but a lot of them are cultural. it's a cultural shift. we've seen that and we've seen the public receptive to that. i mean, donald trump has higher readings now than he's ever had in public running as a politician or in office. how long that will last. i don't know. i don't think it's gonna last for long. but kyle, all of us with this pro, him, we talk a lot of a lot about foreign policy. patrick's right, he's signed his name on a lot of executive orders. but as far as foreign policy concern, well, you know, maybe we shouldn't expect too much in the 1st week, but he's kind of wobbly. i would say, particularly when it comes to ukraine, one of his signature issues route running for re election. yeah, i think there's some good news and some bad news here. i think if you want to look at the positive, he took the 51 signatories of the hunter, biden's laptop letter,

which was of course use. do you know it have a life censorship on the new york post story just before the 2020 election and in the executive order? trump specifically says this is because the intelligence community interfered in the 2020 election. and so trump, in 2016 never seemed to really see understanding was never really able to articulate what the intelligence community did to him with the rush it gave saga he was just wrapped up in it. and of course, they didn't have to be a libertarian by myself. that he, you know, he could have used era, my pay, michael tracy, math easy to explain this to the american people. and he was just never able to do so. and so i think this is active orders, i'm pretty good sign. also removing the security clearance and the security detail from john bolton, another good sign and then he also fired brian hook from the wilson center, which was a good sign. however,

you also put brian hook in charge of staffing his state department. and so now we have marco rubio as the secretary of state. and so, you know, with trump, it's always got to be a mixed bag. i think him identifying who his enemies are, is a good thing because those are our enemies as well, like the intelligence community is the true enemy of the american people. they have trump is going after them for his own personal reasons. it's still a good thing for us. the problem is, is, does he really understand how deep this goes and what he has go ruby on the lights, they have those people around him, you would think he probably doesn't. yeah, rhonda, i mean it's, we're in the situation is the glass half full or half empty? i think kyle is guided spot on here because you know, for all the differences and my goodness were all different from joe biden. okay, that's not hard. okay. but i mean, you know, coming back down to earth here. um, is there really a significant difference?

okay. then the demons have their billionaires apparently. now the republicans have their billionaires. i think be the left side charge. the trump is too close to the bill. you know, well, that's ridiculous. okay. and i said earlier in reaction to patrick of cultural shift, but is there a power shift, ron, or i would say no, there is not a power shift that ma'am, and you look at what trump is done so far. who is the, is surrounding himself with and, and i, i just think a lot of these kind of claims for the positive or just a lot of smoke and mirrors. they say, oh trumps. gonna rain in big tech. really easy. let's look at his uh, nag, duration name. he was surrounded by mark soccer burke. he was surrounded by you on mosque, he would surrounded by the ceo of tick tock, which by the way, that was a huge guess to donald trump by democrats and republicans. that whole tick, tock,

band issue was just absolutely, you know, all big nonsense. and then they gave the gift to trump cuz he got to look like the good guy by saving it with a lot of people don't realize that piece of policy gave trump, or whoever's president the ability to just band any for an app that they don't like so he kind of has this new file power. so because of that he has big tech case and up to them. so he's not going to rain any of that in on foreign policy. a lot of it is just more of the same and already has been on a lot of these executive orders. he's going to have a lot of messages ahead of them in particular with some of these tariff ideas. i don't think anyone really thought that through these antagonizing canada, we get a lot of energy from canada. we also get a lot of our lumber from canada. and now you're going to have a lot of canadian stores that aren't going to have any american products on their shelves. this is going to make a lot of big businesses, the united states pretty mad, especially some beer companies. uh so yes and thought any of this through

a lot of this stuff you inherited foreign policy wise. of course, you can't just point your finger at him, he's only been president for a day or so. a lot of that is the horrific legacy of joe biden. but to get to the central question, is there really much of a change here? not really. and that's kind of what you get when both teams, both political teams have the same wall street sponsors. yeah. well it patrick, you know, if it's more of the same that might explain the whole thing with greenland and canada and panama. i mean, you know, it, it's the empire eating itself as it were. okay. i mean, these are not adversaries. okay. but i think good plays well to the base, i suppose. i mean, from didn't vote president mckinley of all presidents. there is a non year old, the greatest imperialist of american history. i mean i, i don't know if the, the public understood that, but i mean, is this kind of, you know, bait for the bass. patrick, it's very interesting. you know,

take those 2 issues, greenland and the panama canal. well, both of those issues are tied to china and russia, geo, politically, talking about the art, the arctic passage, the new, the northern trade route. that's basically greenland positioning itself. or, you know, the united states vision, there's completely essential to maintaining dominance over this new geo political choke point. and then down at the panama canal, the, there's a whole bunch of projects including the nicaragua, lake and canal, and then mexico's doing a transit core door. as well, and it's going to have to huge commercial facilities on both ends. so you're talking about potential industrial core door to rival, anything in north america that could come on line and mexico, china being and you know, running point with mexico and other countries on that. so as the, these are real geo political, i think big agenda items. so you think this is actually, i think one of the more pragmatic and realized yeah, oh sure. yeah. you have

a real i'm glad you took the word right from me. but kyle: so we went from this kind of liberal order of uh, a blinking, you know, defending had gemini. and while we're going to have realism defending had gemini, i mean, they'd still had gemini, kyle, or? yeah, well i think realism is the best we can hold for and as far gone, but more like a neoconservative imperialist agenda, and the trouble of ministration versus a realistic agenda. i know there's been some good appointments by looking over all top down. you've got marco rubio and people like that. i think the foreign policy is largely going to remain the same. the difference is going to be rhetorical. you know, does trump, uh, how much does he support israel, how him happy se, about supporting israel. it's not going to change from trump versus bite, and i think maybe the greenland think is a good example of drums out would be in different than bivens where the international world order says you can change borders, but trump sees a change the world he sees greenland being up north to having

a territory in the arctic circle and understands that as the, you know, ice cap melts. if it melts, then that's going to create, you know, new negotiations over trade routes and how the more lee i did the art at circle means that the us gets more leverage up there. also, if you started looking at the globe, you know, from the north point it down, you see how close russia is to greenland and things like that. and so i think that's kind of trump's view point there. yeah, well i'm finding would probably try more solid power to build military base. is there what, what advantage going to, what about a compromise just negotiations. instead of taking it over a gentleman, i have to jump in here. we have to go to a hard break, and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on the new trump administration. save the show. seemed wrong. just don't

safe house to come after kids and engagement because the trail when so many find themselves will support. we choose to look for common ground, the the sense for war 2, united states has fostered extremist and t russian prejudices and hatreds among the ukrainian. they ask for, in, at least in canada, united states and countries in eastern europe, probably everywhere. and it doesn't matter what these groups say or do they will support them if it is,

the groups are causing hatred and chaos within the target country. joe again might done on the choose the gun scale or do well as low as one of the middle. i know myself is, is up and there was usually just $50.00 limit. so many of them were you reach me, get ca, uses anyone at anything if there's a religion the welcome. next across stock were all things are considered. i'm peter roosevelt. to mind you were discussing the new trump presidency, the

okay, let's go back to ron in los angeles. you know, ron, one of the, one of the, the most and least in my mind the most important legacy of binding is the genocide in gaza. that's what his administration will go down in history for now i'm the pro and this program over the last few months, i've raised the specter of having the stance of genocide on your legacy a and some doesn't want that. that's been my position here. people disagree with needs, i trump doesn't care one way or another. that remains to be seen here, but that cease fire deal is quite interesting. there are a lot of different versions of how it came about. the official line. i always reject out of hand until i have more information. but i mean, it seems that uh, trump is aware of that. you can continue um, throwing people off their land. you can continue the genocide just don't have it. so public can trump even mentioned that during the campaign? i don't think he has any loyalty to netanyahu,

and all he has he sees it is real. as an ally, of course he's everyone to the person is design. this is an is ministration here. but i think he's sensitive to that and he will act accordingly. go ahead run. i agree with what you said about, you know, jo biden's, legacy being the genocide and gosh, i agree with that. a 100 percent, a 110 percent the by the ministration was putrid. on that, i do not share your optimism about donald trump. i think when it comes to foreign policy any prove this in his 1st term. donald trump is just all about whoever he surrounds himself with. and as usual, he surrounding himself with the same warmongers. he campaigned as a peace president the 1st time in 2016 and he ended up dropping a lot of bombs in his 1st term. great. the ceasefire situation was very interesting because you saw both joe biden and donald trump tried to take credit for it. even

though neither one of them actually supported it. since then the ceasefire has been violated multiple times. you can't pin all that on trump again. that falls on the bottom ministration to donald trump's only been president for a few days, but to cease fires and violated multiple times, none the less. also the trump administration has lifted sanctions as far as israel saddler, his go. and that led to a new attack. recently, and his new security visor even hinted that they're definitely going to keep supplying israel with weapons. they're not gonna hold anything there. so i don't think trump really cares either way. i don't think there's any optimism that he will be any different from the binding to ministration when it comes to foreign policy and the genocide and gaza. i sincerely hope i'm wrong there. i buy one and see piece. i don't care how it comes about. i just by just want to see these. i don't care who gets credit for it. i just want it to happen. so, but yeah,

i kind of just see more of the same. and by the way, i'll point this out since we're on the topic. i think it's very interesting that on this panel we have 4 different political perspectives here. i mean, i'm a socialist. but the one thing we seem to all pretty much to agree on for the most part is that foreign policy is more the same really speaks to the american empire. yeah. and patrick. yeah, yeah, i agree with it with that. a 100 percent? no. if it's something before we, when we can be in here or is it, you know, we have different points of view, but we have a lot of commonalities except for i haven't had a democrat on this program for maybe 4 years. and that was an unpleasant experience . it's patrick taken away. i'm a former democrat. got all my so my me if that counts for anything. um. yeah, it is. it is kind of interesting. i mean, i'm, i'm looking at, uh, the, the, the 2 theaters, the middle east and, and ukraine. and the coming in there,

you know, lot lot more. davia shamarka rubio sounding like a peacenik in when he's talking about the situation ukraine with russia. but that can change very quickly, peter, because i think the expectation of where america thinks that they're going to be at the negotiation table with russia is very different than what we're moscow is. and you could have a situation where if the deep state, if the various elements of the permanent state and the establishment are able to kind of maneuver around trump and have to create a situation where he will be forced to become hawkish, at least in the, in a room and maybe hit the status quote, resume on ukraine, and maybe even start sanctioning. this is another thing that he could do. he can go for secondary sanctions against allied nations like india in a way that previous presidents couldn't. so that's a place where he could be more aggressive and actually get results if it's going to be playing hardball with moscow because there's a one thing peter, no one saying when did the elections in key f. and because you're not hearing that,

that's russia's main proviso. they want to see elections before they have serious negotiations, and if the us are making noises about that, i'm getting quite suspicious that that's not on the priority list of what washington. then what's next? cool. who knows? so i think this is going to be interesting, this ukraine, well as long as the landscape is useful, he will be there and when he's not useful, he won't be there. kyle: i'm sure you saw the trump did uh and then prompted q and a with the media which he loves to do. and it was asked about ukraine and my, you know, and looking at him as he signing away my 1st impression is he's not very well informed about it. number 2, he doesn't really have anything particular to say, and number 3, i don't want to keep answering these questions every time the media confronts me is already beginning to wear on him. kyle to? well look, 1st i'd be say, i think this is my favorite part of trump. being president again is just you have

these impromptu q and a is that don't feel like highly coordinated, highly scripted events. and you feel like you actually understand what the present is thinking at any given time. it may change, it may not be particularly articulate or well thought out, but at least you understand what the president's thinking. i think my real concern here is that with the conflict in gaza, trump could potentially end a kind of by shooting from the hip, because the us has so much leverage over israel. and so it doesn't, it's not as complex to and because we could just threaten to withhold the weapon shipments and then israel would have to comply, you know, is rarely generals have even said they could waves a warrant guys up for one or 2 months without us support, but that's it. and now they're waging a war in the west bank. why the non syria? yeah, i mean, and so the idea that they could do this without us support is completely ridiculous now. so maybe somebody shows trump pictures a dad paused indian children and he just has a moment and declares that no more

a to is real and leslie, not this off. i doubt that happens, but maybe that happens. he seems more interested in ending the warranty ukraine. but that's an incredibly complex not to want. do. i mean a lot of these things that are on rush, i require congressional improve lights to take off. and so if we're going to end is conflict, trump actually needs congress. the goal, one with it. do you think, i mean, he has a 51 majority in the senate. do you think there's 123 republican sanders, who won't vote to remove us sanctions on russia? and so i don't think drop, you know, the bureaucratic understanding. they actually get a deal done with ukraine, and i think that's really unfortunate in the binding ministration did a lot in their trump didn't seem programs. right. sure that i think for 69 months ukraine does have a quite a stockpile of weapons that'd be transferred to nato countries that are going to get to you to go out to ukraine. and i think what they're hoping for is that they

could get this long enough since 9 months that now trump feels like it's his war that he wants to. well in the board said, put it in. all right, good. it's already his war. everybody. it's already his war. i would just point out everyone that a trump was impeached for uh, stopping arms to ukraine. what do you think they're gonna do to him if he does it to is for you? run another important issue here. trump ran on freedom of speech and i liked what he had to say during the campaign. i also like seems like a bird tower in front of the the administration for reasons that we would agree with that. but what, but what about the pro palestinian protests and what about you know, um weaponized the speech against descent on that issue here. that remains to be seen. pam bondi. well, we're going to see what she's going to do. it's not all roses gentlemen. go ahead, run. yeah, it's kind of interesting to me when that when people make it out like like trump is

some free speech warrior. i mean, yeah, he says some nice things, but then actions kind of say otherwise, i mean he crack down on protest incredibly hard. a lot of people like to forget that trump actually put the country under martial law at some point. you also have the, again, to take talk situation that i know came up last time. they're looking to kind of give that to an american company that will probably perform the same types of censorship that you see across social media. and let's be honest, one of the big reasons, but tick tock thing came to the surface in the 1st place. the big reason was because a lot of democrats and republicans have money invested in domestic software and stuff like that. and another big reason was, a lot of young people were spreading messages about palestinian rights against the genocide and the united states couldn't control the algorithm. and they didn't like that. so they're going to try to find a situation where they can control the algorithm. so again,

you're kind of seeing more of the se, but you break up soccer bird. i mean, this is a guy who i think just kind of kisses up to whoever's in the white house. yep. when there was a bite and white house, he was all about okay, we're going to censor the way the dnc tells us to. and then we're just going to feed people, whatever their political bias is, to keep them on facebook. so you're either going to get a left wing, or i'm doing quotes left wing perspective or a right wing perspective within the confines of what we allow and look for every q and non article or whatever that makes sense. or they probably sense or 2 or 3 pro palestine pieces of an anti war piece or so. again, it's just more of the same there. i mean, every now and again, he'll have some interesting talking points and then you find him doing the complete opposite. and this goes far beyond donald trump, i mean, and you all mentioned how a, what if there's an incentive for him to be hockey? so there's gonna be just like, oh yes i, they called him presidential when he dropped bombs on syria. so then the bombs

continued, we're going to see the same thing this time around and that goes beyond any one administration that goes beyond trump that goes beyond by and that goes beyond obama, that goes beyond bush. but you're seeing more and well it and it's a it's, it's about the empire here. a patrick. so the overton window is not going to be enlarged here. last 30 seconds. go to you. my friend. i think in the short term, i think it is, it is, but it's got, i think it's going to take the establishment. it's going to take the big tech world, the mainstream media time to conform to this new reality. there's definitely a power shift that's taking place. big tech, the digital oligarchy is right there, front row seat in the new administration. new establishment is taking shape right now. so we'll see how things react. but it's going to be ex, credibly interesting, this lot. a lot that's going to be in flux in this 1st 12. well, as i've said on this program, we're going to give the 100 days a 100 days. okay. and maybe i'll see all 3 of you again during that 100 days as all

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