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the, the, the, i'm action or it has the welcome back to going underground, broadcasting all around the world from the hall to them at least with thanks to donald trump for a few days, at least the people of guys that have slept without constant u. k. u. s. c u umd aerial bombardment. they have suffered for 16 months today marks the scheduled 2nd phase of the multi step ceasefire agreement between israel and the palestinian resistance forces with an exchange of prisoners. it will be celebrated as a victory for palestine given the agreement as boarding what was demanded after the attacks from kaiser on october. the 7th. all this, of course, comes of the world,
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waits to see if the 47th presidents, all the usa, donald trump, really 6 a peaceful world. within minutes of your organization, he had cancelled abiding administration restrictions on the export of 2000 pound bombs. and that, and you know, all week israel owned by britain lee, you and usa has been targeting the occupied westbank in palestine that area recording the trump's pick for us. i'm about to the, to the, you in at least a phonic. is there any way is rails because she believes in neutral scripture of a un security council resolutions. some of you can watch trumps pick for deputy assistance to the president and senior director of the counter terrorism. sebastian gulker, who we interviewed, i'm going underground in the past. few weeks, he declared, there was no such thing as palestinians. so how did trump get netanyahu to pull is the bombing a problem? is to permit full scale invasion of palestine a war on iran and will be us remove forces from syria and will the usa for leased
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up funding the nazis of ukraine and terminate nato, while the so called deep states may support his policies on israel and is new secretary of state, marco rubio, who has indicated support a was on cuba, venezuela, nicaragua, and china trumps perspectives elsewhere. and not yet, as if to preemptively attack the military industrial complex ex national intelligence director, james kappa, x c. i a director of leon panetta and his longest subbing for the national security advisor, our best to john baldwin, all last access to so called us intelligence this week. and john bolton, who trump gold dumb is a rock, also had his secret service protection terminated. there was uh, i think there was enough time it's uh we take a job, you take a job, you want to do a job. we're not gonna have security on people for the rest of their lives. why should way i thought it was, i thought it was a very dumb person,
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but i used them well because every time people saw me come into a meeting with john bolton's, it stand to be. i mean, they thought that he did attack them because he was a war monger. he's the one that got us involved along with j. d and a couple of others to convince bush which was a terrible decision to blow up them, at least in our blow up the middle east and we left and then we got nothing out of it except a lot a desk. we killed a lot of people and john bolton was a you know, one of those guys is stupid guy. but now you can't have that for life. you shouldn't expect it for life. i had some people that were, you know, like like a guy like john bolton, a friend of mine calls me after i put him on. he said, don't hire that guy. he's no good, he's bad news. he's done mazar rock and all that stuff. i said it's a problem, but i like him for a different reason. he's the one that god bush, him, and cheney, and a couple of other these lunatics. they've got them to go into the middle east and to create more in the middle east to spend 9 trillion dollars. remember,
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i used to say don't go into a rack, but if you do go and keep the oil, well, they went in to didn't keep the or did you keep anything, you know, as a rack is a massive oil country. they have $400000000000.00, right? now, but i said, i don't go in, but it's in but i said it is a vision. so people cared because i get for whatever reason, i get a disproportionate amount of publicity. and some of the assumptions he's going to explain to me why you're there. will you explain that to me? so even as a civilian sort of, before i ran a but i'd be very much and you know, involved with the things and statements that go and ask, but i should don't go in, they went in, it was such a bad decision. so bolt and she again, you get back both a real dog. but i thought he'd be great because he was so stupid. he was like a boiler every time. if, if somebody shut down a little tiny,
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crappy drill and the cost about $15.00, he'd want to go to war with russia. i should know. i think he was great for me though for a period of time because he was a net job and everybody i could see his face get red, red red with that stupid white mustache and he'd be ready to explode. and this was good for me. i went to kim john on, in north through, i took this moron with me and he never said anything. but when jim john saw him, he said, oh, i think the guy wants to go to war. so he was great for me to negotiate with the same thing with russia. you know, one who saw i might be very nice, i say hi vladimir, how you're doing and then pull 02 rows back and it see that more on and it say, oh, this guy wants to go to was bolt and was an immediate. but he was great for me
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because i go in was a guy like joe involved, you know, john bob, friend, them i called called me up. i was picking. bolton is a very smart guy. his name is phil ralph, and he's a very rich guy from las vegas. one of the, he's a great card player. he doesn't play cards, but he's a great, right? you know, he's just a natural poker sense. right. you know, little poker sense and feel rough and is this is a very, very wise kinds of a guy. and very one of the richest people around that has had great success and understands people. so it was in that i was picking baltimore. i picked up the call that'd be said, don't pick him why he's a bad guy. i've worked now. he wasn't in politics. it how he's in various businesses. he said, he's a bad guy, he's just, it always works out bad with that guy. as it, um, i wish you told me this 2 weeks. i already hired, you know, he's here and, and he was right but a but he was good in a certain way. he's in that job. and every time i had to deal with the country,
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when they saw this web job standing behind me, they said, oh man trump's going to go to war with us. he was with bush when they went stupidly into the middle east. former us national security adviser investment john bolton joins me now from washington, dc. he's also being usaa and basset with you. and his revelations, from trump's 1st um and office were published in the room where it happened. a white house memoir. i'm asked to thanks so much for coming back on before we get onto the geo political issues. i bet it 1st us, i on the threat you feel personally as opposed into a security detail as being the stuff by the new president. trump, as well as read for an iran is very real. and in fact, i was told just a few days ago, the threat level as a, as high as it's been really for the last 3 years. i'm certainly not the only person that had protection because of this ronnie and threat including president trump
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itself. i am the only other person who had secret service because that's who gave me protection when i was in the government. others who were from the state department are protected by their security defense department by there is, i hope, i hope there's continues because it's not just the threat against me, but against a, a number of former american officials. i think it's a, you know, i was disappointed but not surprised. this is the kind of man, donald trump is. and he, he doesn't like criticism and, and, you know, we've expected that the 2nd term would be met in part by vindictiveness. and this is unfortunately a sign of it, although cash protell hasn't even been confirmed yet at f b. i. but that's a neat segue into a run cuz possession can who seems to have the support to all of it's all like how many of seems to be seeking the tones of them guides a reef? was it the world he can all make for him? and so forth. how do you see a trump terms reaction to the change in the rain in government,
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especially as some people was saying that the best way to know is it because a deal over his not only support tacit support for the operations in the west bank, but all out war maybe with us military involvement, fedloan cooperation in a war against iran, despite his speech about wanting a peaceful world. a rifle luck with trump. you never know what the answer is because he has no philosophy. he's totally transactional. sometimes he makes one decision in the, in the morning and a contradictory decision in the afternoon. i think the predominance of the of sentiment is that the, that truck pushing at yahoo very hard to adopt biden's ceasefire plan and guys because one of the publicity of hostages being released on the eve of his and all of your ration at my budget. like in 1981 when reagan was inaugurated and the
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iranians released the embassy hostages, a just after the end of the claims administration. but what comes next is very unclear. as i say, i believe that most likely course is that the israelis do go after rides, nuclear weapons program, they will never have a as good an opportunity they may or may not get us help. frankly, the global threat of nuclear proliferation is something i think only the united states can stop and we have not done a good job in stopping around or north korea for that matter. so this is an excellent opportunity, but i also think it's possible that attracted by the potential for the big deal that only donald trump thinks he can make the right answer and giving up. and i'll give you a good reason why at the be a rich g 7 summit in 2019 a manual mat crawl, hidden job. it's a reef then ronnie and foreign minister in a villa in the ritz. and he tried very hard to get donald trump to agree to meet
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with him. and when i and others spoke with trump about it, i urged him not to meet. but when i left his room, i wasn't sure what he was going to do later that day. i thought then i i'm going to need to resign if, if he meets with 3. now ultimately he didn't do it, but it was a very close call. i think. so what we'll try to do. uh all i could really say was assurances, stay tune. while he believes in talking and in a sense, george or shirley always uh best uh, but then uh and as i should say on this ro we've had not only sebastian gulker unofficial in the new trump administration, but we've had the certainly monies daughter on. so we stand very much in the middle of this debate. we have no confirmation about the assassination attempt on yourself . i go to ask you a strange question. it might seem one of you are advising, possess can the president of iran as to what to do? they didn't retaliate to israel, as they had said, they've lost their ally and aside in damascus,
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how would you preemptively attack israel as had been promised or wait it out for a quick. so i'll take a president to do so eloquently written about in your memoir as his longest serving natural security advisor. well i think if, if a ron did attack israel again, a 3rd time with ballistic missiles, they might or might not be able to accomplish much damage. but we, we do know that the israeli attack on iran ballistic missile production facilities has essentially crippled them. their, their capacity to replace their arsenal is, is almost down to 0. so whatever they fire on this next round, if, if they initiate an attack it for rod initiating attack, that's all there is. and one israel response there won't be much leftover runs military. i think you can guarantee that and i think you'll error sorry to interrupt, you know they, they were denied that and the rush around comprehensive strategic partnership
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agreement was signed in moscow to be timed around the innovation of president trump . i mean, probably while i'm speaking to you, they may well be russian and chinese a re um and then going on and tear on as well. that's, that is precisely why this is the right moment for israel to act before russia and china produce but more, more capabilities for ron. but also before they give them more assistance in building nuclear weapons, it's not just a question of enriching uranium. it's also a question of being able to recognize it in by most public reports in the near admission of the israeli government. they already destroyed one nuclear weapon, ization facility and iran. the others are pretty easy targets. ambassador john bolton, i'll have to stop you there. more from president trump's full, the national security advisor, and the x u. s. i invested to the united nations after this by the
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reason i was present last let me on to and um you put a yes. need the car seat and they will not be able to use but so they all go with them right now if i have someone available at the finance underscore costs of studio mostly from you know, from jennifer marshall bible for most of these invited me and move nice, see from us, the meaning the power thing and the whole was the number is he thought of good if you go see that all the reason i just it's a good question chef of it for you. my shift that cool stuff. some of that you'll have to issue with the associated with a new this. so this, the specimen that us for 57 facing the pool,
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the sunlight of cool, that will suffice it, have a in the dress. it was so the show and it should be should, will be the input that a sudden you can use the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with president trump, former national security adviser and the ex us nebraska to the united nations invested at john bolton. isn't the roller on the same side with the united states. as regards syria, after the catastrophic record of the, by the ministration? i understand you share the same fee, is there any individuals new as regards this h t s government celebrated on the terrace of hays american mainstream media. what's your view about the h d, as in damascus, and whether the trump administration has to take
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a much more wary line then bite and blinking sullivan harris as. yeah, i think the evidence that h t s is no longer a terrorist organization is pretty scanty. the fact that the eligibility a trends is beard, took off his combat fatigues and put on a jacket and tie does, doesn't mean use any less the chairs. but i know, and so i think the threat of a terrorist state the re emerging and serious, very real that doesn't do anything for me on a rod rod is the single most important for us to pace and security in the middle east. and it will be a threat until the ayatollah is, are removed from power. that's the only long term answer to make around a responsible part of the region and not the world's biggest supporters terrors. but then do not think that the trying to har, colorado, india is aligns with iran as regards the trade for that huge car door involving
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nations up to russia involving china. i don't think the world has moved on these past 4 years. and so trump at 45 was in office that they kind of look at it the same way and this with i'm so we can do from united. i remembered some member of bricks as well. i think the fact is that ron's regime is still committed to achieving a nuclear weapons capability. it is the stated goal of every country. you've mentioned that as part of the nuclear nonproliferation treaty, non nuclear weapon states should not become nuclear weapon states. so economics is important, i don't deny that, and i know where you're sitting. economics is very important to me. nuclear weapons are more important. and i think the elimination of the ayatollah is, is the only sure way to take around, off the past the nuclear weapons. we should have done this long ago. company, of course, on the radcliff and one thing, nuclear weapons usually don't think that she's in pain or fluids in one to run to
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have nuclear weapons in that, in a sense is behind these huge agreements between badging and most going to run to supply conventional weapons conventional weapons that are increasingly more liberal and electronically sophisticated is that even the debate, as nothing is as leak lisa, as a nuclear weapon and in the hands of a group of medieval fanatics. i think they are threat not only in the region, but a threat in transporting these weapons anywhere in the world to conduct terrorist operations. so i'll come back to what i said before. this is israel chance, i don't know what they're going to do, but they ought to take it. okay, let's just move on to ukraine. rubio, you must have watched some of that confirmation hearing before he was confirmed the secretary of state in the administration. do you think he's a changed his mind? he seemed to be to hear about using sanctions as leverage against pruitt in a rush, has grown through sanctions and has been celebrating sanctions at home as
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a 90 percent of trade with china is now through you one and maybe 90 percent of the draven saudi arabia soon to be in rails. what do you think ruby has up is leave or go as regards ukraine or is it all about trump is regards ukraine as well? this is an aspect of the trunk policy, which he and the other advisors have commented on during the campaign that they, they why a negotiation. because as with everything was trapped, the world is just along the lines of deals, and he wants a deal to take this for a new crank off his table. he views it in spiders, for he has said that the war never would have happened to any been elected president, which of course, is neither approvable nor does provable, but he wants it over with he doesn't want to complicating his agenda. i think that's very bad news. for ukraine they have threatened russia was more sanctions. in fact, uh, president trump himself,
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but his recently put out one of his truth social posts, making that point again. and they threatened the ukraine with a cut off of military assistance, i think a put and then the kremlin would be very happy with a deal where they keep the territory and ukraine. they have, there's a cease fire. nato does not accept the ukraine as a member. all of this was laid out by j. the benz who is now a vice president during the campaign was a piece plan that could be written in the kremlin. yeah, so you're saying that the uh, the truth social posts made by trump. uh intimated trump still wants to use sanctions, which again are not seen in moscow as being the main issue. well, give me, i mean you said that he wants a cabinet of yes man, but the saved on you by being boldly supportive of his pick for secretary of state . marco rubio, of course, has very old dispositions in nicaragua, venezuela or in the cuba, which is it though, do you support the view that the drum one's a cabinet?
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yes, man. or you want to walk a review and i don't know. what are you thinking like? well, it says the national security advisor, your old position. he wants both of them. his yes ma'am. he sees them as excellent salesman for his positions, which they are. they will have to say. remember, rubio has been a senator, i think for 14 or 16 years now, he's was in the florida legislature before that he hasn't had a boss and a long time in dealing with trump on a daily basis is i can personally test is quite something. so we'll see how it works out. i'd say the same for mike waltz. i have, i have respect for both of my i hope they are not intimidated from giving the president their honest views. that is really what best serves the president trump does want. yes, man and yes women, but ironically it won't serve the country well. it won't serve him well either. and yet you believe a booted run, so it goes around trump. uh, that is your perspective as well as you've written about in your memoir, in the room where it happened. right. i look i,
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i think get food and was well trained and had a lot of experience as a k g b agent in the cold war. i think he does know how to size up people. i think he sees trump is an easy mark. somebody who's susceptible to flattery. i could see it an operation and in the 1st term it didn't. but you have a lot. i hope that at least i don't think so, but we'll see what happens this time from thanks to us relations with foreign countries depend on his personal relationship with the head of state. it's obviously a lot more complicated than that, but i think putting will try to take advantage of, of that approach. actually, i in the western hemisphere, do you expect a bit more to leave a leeway given to some of these cabinet positions as trump sees the big issues of iran, russia, ukraine, korea, and china? is it going to be a much more dangerous place your atmosphere as well? i think uh, i think it depends on whether trump focuses more on the real problems and in the
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atmosphere what, what we call the tri goes tyranny. and the 1st term tube event as well in nicaragua, whether trump things are big problems, are panama mexico, cadillac, greenland? yeah. you. so you said that, uh, i think you said that uh, some people may be in feeding him this information. why is he picked panama canada? or in denmark. oh greenland. well it's very hard for me to understand except he thinks that his political base likes this kind of thing. i think actually the way he's approach the greenland security question. where america does have extraordinarily important security interest. the panama canal, where it is legitimate to raise concern about trying these companies having operating contracts. he's done it in a way where he's stepping on his own objectives. he's getting in his own way. he is making it less likely he can get what he wants, because he doesn't fundamentally understand what's at stake. so the best i can hope
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for is that what it's a lot of performance art. and now that the performance has been done, we can have some quiet behind the scenes negotiations to resolve some of these issues. what will say, it wasn't the performative when he said that the nato nations had to give, to present the g d p. and now he's saying 5 percent though, do you think he's going to stand by the 5 percent contribution? you probably use. suppose it, you're repeating countries are already facing, you know, make a catastrophe, arguably of to the ukraine. more i would use a board is 5 percent of them on the european nations benito as well. i don't think he really means 5 percent. i would mean 5 percent. so the united states, so that's essentially the average of the reagan era defense budget. and i think in an increasingly threatening world, our defense spending does have to come up from about 3 percent to say 4 to 5 percent in that range. europe and nato members, i think, would have to go from the 2 percent target of g d pages to 3 percent or maybe more
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. yeah. but he's standing by 5 percent and you've probably seen the standing by standing by it today. wait till tomorrow. you've probably seen the coverage in the european the media let alone at the global list will economic for him in the past few days, they were incredibly fearful. and how do you think europe in the countries are going to react to the drum, the presidency? are they going to realize the game is up, they come to be involved in the ukraine issue without the united states, which is given the most of the military support? well, i don't know what europe is going to do. they have a lot of key elections coming up on in germany in february, the french government is in deep trouble. well, i think the british government, the, like you, labor governments run into trouble already despite is majority. we'll see what happens for now. i think trump is a, is talking a lot about tariffs, we don't have much experience with trade wars. fortunately and recent years,
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i think is potentially quite dangerous. but the europeans do appear to be ready to retaliate. if trump does come with significant tears, what do you think is going to happen because it lensky? is he going to be like noriega as well? look, i think goes zalinski, did the incredible things, particularly in the early days of the war to rally the people that i think he expressed the sentiment they had when the secretary of state blanking offered him a pass out of ukraine to save himself. and his government, he said, i don't need a ride, i need to have munitions. and they fought in very difficult circumstances for 3 years. i hate to say rushes aggression rewarded. but as i was describing earlier i, i think that's the direction we're headed to. yeah. using 200000 soldiers, he wants from european nations. that's not going to happen. well, probably not, but uh, he's in a very difficult position. i don't, i don't envy him,
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and i don't envy him dealing with donald trump. you don't have security favorites anymore, but obviously by trumpet said that he wants the art of k j f k m l k papers released . do you think we'll find out who blew up the mountain road stream pipeline in this trump administration? you know, i, i don't know who blow up the nord stream a to pipeline or, or north stream one if it were, if it turns out to be the ukrainians, i say good for them or the ca uh i, i would be very, very doubtful of that. and best of all of them value glad to be with you. and that's it for the show will be back on monday. the anniversary of rushes liberation of nazi death camp outs you. it's today compared to gaza after 15 months of u. k. u. s. u, i'm genocide, it will also be 50 as since the u. s. senate church committee began revelations of c i a as a version of democracy at home and abroad. we'll be asking to decade c,
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