done so this hour i may. so the day rachel ruble will be up at home from the top. so to join her bit. h one us me, i'll see you soon. the there's no end in sight over how you're going to continue to destroy the earth. is the case for the med, most of the people. i tried to go to the gym, but i'm certainly not ready to fight russia. this is also a pursuit. this is the 3rd world lunacy re washing press for. so the funder line likes to say, we have the tools while we just start with stability and business deal. so what should be living on that we have very close propaganda. you know, a price here in new york. i think we don't know the aftermath any time that you're not allowed to ask questions, you should ask all of the questions. the more questions ask the better the answer is will be the

i'm option or it has a welcome back to going underground, broadcasting all around the world, from the heart of them, at least with thanks to donald trump. for a few days, at least the people have guys i have slept without constant u. k. u. s. c, u und aerial bombardment. they have suffered for 16 months today marks the chevy old 2nd phase of the multi step ceasefire agreement between israel and the palestinian resistance. forces with an exchange of prisoners, it will be celebrated as a victory for palestine given the agreement as boarding what was demanded after the attacks from kaiser on october the 7th. well this of course comes of the world, waits to see if the 47th president of the usa, donald trump, really 6 a peaceful world within minutes of being organization. he had cancelled abide and administration restrictions on the export of 2000 pound bombs and that you know,

all week israel owned by brittany. you and usa has been targeting the occupied westbank in palestine that area recording to trump's pick for us. i'm about to the, to the un, at least phonic is any way is rails because he believes in neutral scripture of the un security council resolutions. some of you can watch trump's pick for deputy assistance to the president and senior director of the kinds of terrorism. sebastian gorka, who we interviewed on going underground in the past few weeks. he declared there was no such thing as palestinians. so how did trump get netanyahu? triple is the bombing? i promised a permit full scale invasion of palestine, a war on iran, and will be us removed forces from syria and will the usa finally stop funding the nazis of ukraine and terminate nato, while the so called deep states may support his policies on israel and is new secretary of state, marco rubio, who has indicated support for was on cuba,

venezuela, nicaragua, and china trumps perspectives elsewhere. i know chad is if to preemptively attack the military industrial complex ex national intelligence director, james kappa, x c i, a director and the on vanessa and is longest subbing for the national security advisor. i busted you on baldwin, all last access to so called us intelligence this week. and john bolton, who trump gold, dumb is a rock, also had his secret service protection terminated. there was, uh, i think there was enough time. it's uh, we take a job. you take a job, you want to do a job, we're not gonna have security on people for the rest of their lives. why should we? i thought it was, i thought it was every dumb person, but i used them well because every time people saw me come into a meeting with john bolton's standing behind me. they thought that he did attack them because he was

a war monger. he's the one that got us involved along with j. d and a couple of others convince bush which was a terrible decision to blow up. the been least, you know, we blow up the middle east and we left and then we got nothing out of it except a lot, a desk. we killed a lot of people and john bolton was a you know, one of those guys is stupid guy. but no, you can't have that for life. you shouldn't expect it for like i had some people that were, you know, like like a guy like john boat and a friend of mine calls me after i put him on. he said, don't hire that guy. he's no good. he's bad news. he's dumb is a rock and all that stuff. i said is a problem, but i like him for a different reason. he's the one that god bush, him, and cheney, and a couple of other these lunatics. they got them to go into the middle east and to create more in the middle used to spend 9 trillion dollars. remember, i used to say don't go into a rack, but if you do go in, keep the oil. well,

they went in, they didn't keep their, they didn't keep anything, you know, at a rack is a massive oil country. they have $400000000000.00 right now. but i said, i don't go in, but it's in, but i said it is a vision. so people cared because i get for whatever reason, i get a disproportionate amount of publicity. and some of the assumptions he's going to explain to me why you're there. will you explain that to me? so even as a civilian sort of, before i ran, i, but i'd be very much in, you know, involved with the things and statements that go in is, but i should don't go in, they went in, it was such a bad decision. so bolt and she again, you get back both a real dog. but i thought he'd be great because he was so stupid. he was like a boiler every time. if, if somebody shut down a little tiny, crappy drill and the cost about $15.00, he'd want to go to war with russia. sure, no, i think he was great for me though for a period of time because he was

a net job and everybody i could see his face get red, red red with that stupid white mustache and he'd be ready to explode. and this was good for me. i went to kim john on, in north through, i took his moron with me and he never said anything. but when jim john saw him, he said, oh, i think the guy wants to go to war. so he was great for me to negotiate with the same thing with russia. you know, one who you saw. i might be very nice, i say hi vladimir, how you're doing and then pull 02 rows back and it see that more on and it say, oh, this guy wants to go to was bolt and was it immediate? but he was great for me because i go in was a guy like joe involved, you know, john bob, friend, them i called called me up. i was picking. bolton is a very smart guy. his name is phil ralph, and he's a very rich guy from las vegas. one of the, he's

a great card player. he doesn't play cards, but he's a great, right? you know, he's just a natural poker sense. right. you know, little poker sense and feel rough in his this is a very, very wise kinds of a guy. and very one of the richest people around that has got great success and understands people. so it was in that i was picking bolton or i picked up the call that'd be said don't pick him why he's a bad guy. i've worked now. he wasn't in politics. it how he's in various businesses. he said, he's a bad guy, he's just, it always works out bad with that guy as it. um, i wish you told me this 2 weeks. i already hired a, you know, he's here and, and he was right but a but he was good in a certain way. he's in that job. and every time i had to deal with the country, when they showed his wife job standing behind me, they said, oh man trumps,

going to go to war was a she was with bush when they went stupidly into the middle east. former us national security adviser investment john bolton joins me now from washington, dc. he's also being us about visiting you and, and his revelations from trump's 1st um and office were published in the room where it happened. a white house memoir. i'm asked to thanks so much for coming back on before we get onto the geo political issues. i bet it 1st does i wonder threat. you feel personally as opposed into a security detail as being the stuff by the new president trump as well as read for an iran is very real. and in fact, i was told just a few days ago, the threat level as a, as high as it's been really for the last 3 years. i'm certainly not the only person that had protection because of this ronnie and threat including president trump itself. i am the only other person who had secret service because that's who gave me protection when i was in the government. others who were from the state

department are protected by their security defense department by theirs. i hope i hope there is continues because it's not just a threat against me, but against a, a number of former american officials. i think it's a, you know, i was disappointed but not surprised. this is the kind of man donald trump is and the he doesn't like criticism and, and you know, we've expected that a 2nd term would be met in part by vindictiveness. and this is unfortunately a sign of it. although cash patel hasn't even been confirmed yet at f b. i. but that's a neat segue into a run cuz possession can who seems to have the support to all of it's all like how many of seems to be seeking the tones of some kinds a reef? was it the world economic forum and so forth? how do you see a trump terms reaction to the change in the rain in government, especially as some people was saying that the best way to and then you know, just because a deal over uh, his not only support tacit support for operations in the west bank but uh, all out,

well maybe with us military involvement, their loan cooperation in a war against iran, despite his speech about one thing, a peaceful world, a rifle. luck with trump. you never know what the answer is because he has no philosophy. he's totally transactional. sometimes he makes one decision in the, in the morning and a contradictory decision in the afternoon. i think the predominance of the of sentiment is that the, that truck pushing at yahoo very hard to adopt biden's ceasefire plan and guys because he wanted the publicity of hostages being released on the eve of his and all of your ration at much, much like in 1981 when reagan was inaugurated and the iranians released the embassy hostages, a just after the end of the claims administration. but what comes next is very unclear. as i say, i believe that most likely course is that the israelis do go after ron's nuclear

weapons program. they will never have as good an opportunity they may or may not get us help. frankly, the global threat of nuclear proliferation is something i think only the united states can stop and we have not done a good job in stopping around or north korea for that matter. so this is an excellent opportunity, but i also think it's possible that attracted by the potential for the big deal that only donald trump thinks he can make the right answer and giving up. and i'll give you a good reason why at the be a rich g 7 summit in 2019 a manual mat crawl, hidden job. it's a reef then ronnie and foreign minister in a villa in the arrests. and he tried very hard to get donald trump to agree to meet with him. and when i and others spoke with trump about it, i urged him not to meet. but when i left his room,

i wasn't sure what he was going to do later that day. i thought then i i'm going to need to resign if, if he meets with 3. now ultimately he didn't do it, but it was a very close call. i think. so what we'll try to do. uh all i could really say was assurances, stay tune. while he believes in talking and in a sense, george or shirley always uh best sir, but then uh and as i should say on this show, we've had not only sebastian gulker and official in the new trump administration, but we've had the certainly monies daughter on. so we stand very much in the middle of this debate. we have no confirmation about the assassination attempt on yourself . i go to ask you a strange question. it might seem one of you are advising, possess can the president of iran as to what to do? they didn't retaliate to israel, as they had said, they've lost their ally and aside in damascus, how would you preemptively attack israel as had been promised or wait it out for a quick. so i'll take a president to do so eloquently written about in your memoir as his longest serving

natural security advisor. well i think if, if a ron did attack israel again, a 3rd time with ballistic missiles, they might or might not be able to accomplish much damage. but we, we do know that the israeli attack on iran's ballistic missile production facilities has essentially crippled them. their, their capacity to replace their arsenal is, is almost down to 0. so whatever they fire on this next round, if, if they initiate an attack it for rod initiates attack. that's all there is. and one israel response there won't be much left of runs military. i think you can guarantee that and i think will arrow sorry to interrupt, you know they, they were denied that and the rush around comprehensive strategic partnership agreement was signed and most good to be timed around the innovation of president trump. i mean, probably while i'm speaking to you, they may well be russian and chinese rearmament going on and tear on as well.

that's, that is precisely why this is the right moment for israel to act before russia and china produce but more more capabilities for ron. but also before they give them more assistance in building nuclear weapons, it's not just a question of enriching uranium. it's also a question of being able to weaponized in by most public reports in the near admission of the israeli government. they already destroyed one nuclear weapon, ization facility and iran. the others are pretty easy targets. ambassador john baldwin, i'll have to stop you there. more from president trump's full, the national security advisor, and the x u. s. i invested to the united nations after this by the when i was just going

to save house because of the after care and engagement. because the trail when so many find themselves, will depart, we choose to look so common ground, the the,

the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with president trump's former national security adviser and the ex us nebraska to the united nations ambassador that john bolton isn't the on the same side with the united states. as regard syria of to the catastrophic record of the, by the ministration. i understand you share the same fee, is that it raining, individuals knew, as regards this age, the government celebrated on the terrace of haines, american mainstream media. what's your view about the h d? as in damascus, and whether the trump administration has to take a much more weary line then bite and blinking sullivan hairs as yeah, i think the evidence that h t s is no longer a terrorist organization is pretty scanty. the fact that the eligibility trimmed his beard took off his the combat fatigues and put on a jacket and tie does,

doesn't mean he's any less the chairs. but i know, and so i think the threat of a terrorist state the re emerging and serious, very real that doesn't do anything for me on a rod rod as the single most important for us to pace and security in the middle east. and it will be a threat until the ayatollah is, are removed from power. that's the only long term answer to make around a responsible part of the region and not the world's biggest supporters terrors. but then do not think that the trying to hire a car door. india is aligns with iran as regards the trade for that huge car door involving nations up to russia. and, well, who's in china? i don't think the world has moved on these past 4 years. and so trump at 45 was in office that they kind of look at it the same way and this with i'm so we can do from united air beverage, some member of bricks as well. i think the fact is that

runs roofing is still committed to achieving a nuclear weapons capability. it is the stated goal of every country. you've mentioned that as part of the nuclear nonproliferation treaty, the non nuclear weapon states should not become nuclear weapon states. so economics is important, i don't deny that, and i know where you're sitting. economics is very important to me. nuclear weapons are more important. and i think the elimination of the ayatollah is, is the only sure way to take around off the past the nuclear weapons. we should have done this long ago. company, of course, on the radcliffe and one thing nuclear weapons usually don't think that she didn't being or fluids in one to run to have nuclear weapons in that, in a sense is behind these huge agreements between badging and most going to run to supply conventional weapons conventional weapons that are increasingly more liberal and electronically sophisticated is that even the debate, nothing is as leak lisa, as a nuclear weapon and in the hands of

a group of medieval fanatics. i think they are threat not only in the region, but a threat in transporting these weapons anywhere in the world to conduct terrorist operations. so i'll come back to what i said before. this is israel chance, i don't know what they're going to do, but they are to take it. okay, let's just move on to ukraine. rubio, you must have watched some of that confirmation hearing before he was confirmed the secretary of state in the administration. do you think he's a changed his mind? you seem to be to hear about using sanctions as leverage against boots and rushes, grown through sanctions and has been celebrating sanctions at home as a 90 percent of trade with china is now to you on and maybe 90 percent of the draven's audi rabies soon to be in rails, what do you think ruby has up is leave or go as regards ukraine, or is it all about trump as regards ukraine as well?

this is an aspect of the trump policy, which he and the other advisors have commented on during the campaign that they, they why a negotiation. because as with everything was trapped, the world is just a long line of deals, and he wants a deal to take this war and ukraine off his table. he views it in spiders, for he has said that the war never would have happened to the been elected president, which of course is neither provable nor does provable. but he wants it over with. he doesn't want it complicating his agenda. i think that's very bad news. for ukraine they have threatened russia was more sanctions. in fact, the president trump himself, but has recently put out one of his truth social posts, making that point again. and they threatened the ukraine with a cut off with military assistance. i think a put and then the crime would, would be very happy with a deal where they keep the territory and ukraine. they have, there's a cease fire. nato does not accept the ukraine as

a member. all of this was laid out by j. d bands who is now a vice president during the campaign. that was a piece plan that could be written in the kremlin. yeah, so you're saying that the uh, the truth social posts made by trump uh intimated that drum still wants to use sanctions, which again, i don't seem in moscow as being the main issue. i'll give play. i mean, you said that he wants a cabinet of yes man, but this a's on you by being boldly supportive of his pick because extra estate. marco rubio, of course, has very old dispositions on nicaragua, venezuela and cuba, which is it though you support the view that the drug once a cabinet. yes man. or he wants to walk a review and i don't know what you think of mike walters, the national security advisor, your old position. he wants both of them. his yes ma'am. he sees them as excellent salesman for his positions, which they are. we'll have to say. remember, rubio has been a senator, i think for 14 or 16 years now, he was in the florida legislature before that he hasn't had a boss and

a long time in dealing with trump on a daily basis is i can personally test is quite something. so we'll see how it works out. i'd say the same for mike waltz. i have, i have respect for both of my i hope they are not intimidated from giving the president their honest views. that is really what best serves the president trump does want. yes, man and yes women, but ironically it won't serve the country well. it won't serve him well either. and yet you believe a booted run, so it goes around trump. uh, that is your perspective as well as you've written about in your memoir, in the room where it happened. right. i look i, i think good food and was well trained and had a lot of experience as a k g b agent in the cold war. i think he does know how to size up people. i think he sees trump is an easy mark. somebody who's susceptible to flattery. i could see it an operation and in the 1st term it didn't achieve

a lot. i hope that at least i don't think so. but we'll see what happens this time . trump thinks it's us relations with foreign countries depend on his personal relationship with the head of state. it's obviously a lot more complicated than that, but i think put, and we'll try to take advantage of that approach. actually i in the western hemisphere, do you expect a bit believe a leeway given to some of these cabinet positions as trump sees the big issues of iran, russia, ukraine, korea in china? is it going to be a much more dangerous place your hemisphere as well? i think uh, i think it depends on whether trump focus is more on the real problems and in the atmosphere what, what we call the tri goes tyranny and the 1st term tube event as well in nicaragua, or whether trump things are big problems are panama mexico cadillac, greenland? yeah. you so you said that uh, i think you said that uh some people maybe in feeding him this information. why is

he picked panama canada or in denmark? oh greenland. well, it's very hard for me to understand, except he thinks that his political base likes this kind of thing. i think actually the way he's approach the greenland security question. where america does have extraordinarily important security interest, the panama canal, where it is legitimate to raise concern about trying these companies having operating contracts. he's done it in a way where he's stepping on his own objectives. he's getting in his own way. he is making it less likely he can get what he wants, because he does a fundamental way, understand what's at stake. so the best i can hope for is that what it's a lot of performance art and now that the performance has been done, we can have some quiet behind the scenes negotiations to resolve some of these issues. what well say it wasn't the performative when he said that the nato nations had to give to present the g d p. and now he's saying 5 percent though,

do you think he's gonna stand by the 5 percent contribution? you probably use suppose that you are paying countries are already facing, you know, make a catastrophe arguably of to the ukraine. more we use a board is 5 percent. the demand of the european nations for nato as well. i don't think he really means 5 percent. i would mean 5 percent for the united states, so that's essentially the average of the reagan era, the defense budget. and i think in an increasingly threatening world, our defense spending does have to come up from about 3 percent to say 4 to 5 percent in that range. europe and nato members, i think, would have to go from the 2 percent target of g d pages to 3 percent or maybe more . yeah. but he's standing by 5 percent and you've probably seen the standing by standing by it today. wait till tomorrow. you've probably seen the coverage in the european the media let alone at the global list will be going to make for him in the past few days. they were incredibly fearful. and how do you think europe in the

countries are going to react to the drum? the presidency and they going to realize the game is up, they come to be involved in the ukraine issue without the united states, which has given most of the military support. well, i don't know what europe is going to do. they have a lot of key elections coming up on in germany in february, the french government is in deep trouble. well, i think the british government, the, like you, labor governments run into trouble already despite is majority. but we'll see what happens for now. i think trump is a, is talking a lot about carrots. we don't have much experience with trade wars. fortunately and recent years, i think it's potentially quite dangerous, but the europeans do appear to be ready to retaliate. if trump does come with significant tears, what do you think is going to happen? does it lensky? is it going to be like noriega a? well look, i, i think goes to alaska, did the incredible things,

particularly in the early days of the war to rally the people. i think he expressed the sentiment they had when the secretary of state blanking offered him a pass out of ukraine to save himself. and his government, he said, i don't need a ride, i need to have munitions. and they fought in very difficult circumstances for 3 years. i hate to say rushes aggression rewarded. but as i was describing earlier, i, i think that's the direction we're headed to. yeah. you were saying 200000 soldiers . he wants from european nations. that's not going to happen. well, probably not, but uh, he's in a very difficult position. i don't, i don't envy him and i don't envy him dealing with donald trump. you don't have security favorites anymore. but obviously by trumpet said that he wants the art of k j f k m l k papers released. do you think we'll find out who blew up the mountain road stream pipeline in this trump administration? you know, i, i don't know who blew up the north stream a to pipeline or,

or north stream one if it were, if it turns out to be the ukrainians, i said good for them or the ca i, i would be very, very doubtful of that. and best of all of them. thank you. glad to be with you. and that's it for the show will be back on monday. the anniversary of rushes liberation of nazi death camp outs you. it's today compared to gaza after 15 months of u. k. u. s. u, i'm genocide, it will also be 50 years since the u. s. senate church committee began revelations of c i a as a version of democracy at home and abroad. we'll be asking to decade c, i a case officer dr. philip bureau, the whether he thinks prospect for world war 3 of them after this week's innovation of donald trump. until then keep in touch my role as social media. if it's not sensitive, we will country and had to channel going underground tv hon. they'll come to watch new and old episodes of going underground. see you monday

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is how mos release, as for idea of soldiers and the 2nd prisoners swap of the ceasefire now underway, $200.00 captive palestinians that are part of the deal will be freed later today. i cannot but agree with from that if he's been elected president, if his victory not been stolen from him in 2020, and then perhaps they would not have been the crisis and ukraine that arose back in 2022 businesslike and pragmatic events have a lot of repeating states, his relationship with donald's from the rest of liter also says it was joe biden. not him who refused to talk business and politics, including the ukraine in crisis and as tens of thousands.