on the whole again, and then learned as low as models, that kind of fun. and so is this going to be the lead safety was since we got to stay with us here on our to international, i'll be back with more news and half an hour. i'll see you then by the i am piano to move the he, uh, the slider, uh, his joke on 7 see, and my truck was county and the republicans. and today we discussed the subject, which is as contentious as, as it is significant. the question of the war in so done on the involvement of many external forces, those forces include the ukrainians,

include the russians as some say event them either on these on the proxy. it forces under of cause the involvement of those countries not only into the done but in other parts of africa and is important to warn. noah serves that in times such as these on the methods such as these, the accusations on the account acquisitions, which must be on the to didn't context on the context that i want to bring, particularly with regard to the will in so done is that there is i is $32.00 it when so done, regained independence on, when's the done was seen as a country that was are in each orientation with a significant african population. so don was never these,

those do i in the close districts in the south, i get dated for a long time, which culminated in the independence of south to done in the 2011 off the menu was the and yeah and yeah was, and it is also important that often solves to don, regained independence. there's been a conflict in that fighter of the world in the nova mountains in the bloom niles and in the dive for egypt, but the most recent of the conscript and didn't did even before that during the doubtful wall. it was actually confirmed that the administration of a model, but she was fun starting out of the groups known as the agenda we to adopt the people and died from it is the john joe weeds that have no mosque into the artist service, which has innovated the government of sudan,

lead device, and put it on on him meth team. so who was part of the suit and these on me, but he's now seen as the leader of the stuff. and this is where the accusations are coming in. number one that they've been coming from ukraine on, not only ukraine in other parts of this, one was former soviet union, the even claims that they have been boots on the ground. and they have been claimed that there has been a recruitment of individuals from the outside, 80 and region. and when the conflict between russia and ukraine started, one of the things that came to the full was the quote distinction between the russia on the west, in the 1900, the 9th is the undertakings was given to the russians. the nato would not expand to the east, and when is the nato countries not the dicks funding to dazed with the

buyer and enticement of the key of government to join the repeating union event. the contest fissions applied a totally different kind of that context is important. for us to appreciate in order to run the and what is now being characterized the involvement of ukraine on even russia in the african continent. the most important thing that's happened recently and print it then default is when they've government of molly accuse ukraine direct that they was supporting inside agencies in mali. and that they would have been used to fight a proxy will in russia. and i remember the, the bus set out of ukraine was actually summoned into bama cool by the administration of a to be great. and there was told that if you don't stop participating in the insurgency in molly,

then we are going to expand you and going to see what diplomatic ties and they are quite a number of occasions in visiting good. and it must be understood once again in context, the russian involvement in many of these conflicts is seen to be a little different from the involvement of ukraine. seems to be different in visiting that it is best government of this central african republic, for example, that the invite the group. because the y insurgency, that was fun, said by multiple parties, including the french. it is also the case that in countries such as a book, enough or so on, even in these it ones, the americans had been expelled. it is these administrations that invited the russian administration of the russian army to all 5 boats, raining on support. so the presence of russia, as opposed to the presence of ukraine, is seen and explain differently. but as it is in the methods of these a nature,

they don't with the different arguments by both sides of the device that allows us to examine the presence of russia. then we come to the presence of ukraine in the continent of africa. and particularly in the con, would new to conflict in so that a number which as we have said on save time and time again, russia been under the soviet union, was not the typical quarter nicer. and the reason passed after the collapse of the binding wall. there has been what is described as the last young soft file on visit. osh and soft file has been seen as the count, the weight to the traditional power of the western countries which retained the military bases in the continent of africa. the french with their ministry basis in different parts of the quarter needs the americans of costs expressing the

powers through different small, di national agencies. and russia was not in many of these cases, but disciplined in the intimate way. is that the western powers wolf and it is in this regard therefore, that when the regimes which gained follow through what on the level of practically is called unconstitutional changes of power, that they wind advising the russians to protect them. this invitation has been seen as i've already indicated in central african republic and bunkie. the bunky administration. you have seen this invitation in the government in near may in new jersey. and sometimes this happens, particularly in nam may when they see that you're in your mines on the friends wall or does out on west and foster as well or does out the nea may

administration initially it said we don't have the capacity. therefore, we are inviting a friendly power to train us on to offer as a temporary protection, as we protect online so that russian presence is seen in dr. the good. of course. that little idea when uh, the webinar group. well, but 8 and as an independent entity there was seen to be almost in the nature of most injuries, but with the depth of the leader. and then rushed analyzation of their participation on the naming of the african quote. it is seen as the beach had for the russian administration to try and engage these particular countries and it is not lost on me. the, the russian for administer levels has been in those countries quite a bit with a view to explaining and deepening that. the relationship, conversely, ukraine is not up by law in the mind that russia ease and didn't did one kind of

say that even during the soviet era, whenever one wanted to talk about the soviet union, the name for the soviet union was that i should say in the minds of many people, whenever you talked about the soviet union, you could as well even say, rush and bill for us. yes, stock in people's mind in that to be good on when ukraine via full is involving itself in the affairs of any african country is seen as fighting a proxy war on behalf of the western world. and the reason is very simple. even in this war that is going on in the united, threatening, going on and the united states of america is involved the wisdom countries i involve. it is seen that ukraine is actually a c, a for a war that is being prosecuted by nato. against that, i should,

that being the case, even if there is the width of the presence in any country in africa, it is frowned up on the scene as a thing on the b, at the behest of the neil colonizers on the involvement is not welcome and that is the context in which we must understand the, the resentment we have seen in there is in fast, i think, in the 2023, the president of russia, of that mid put then into thing quite a number of african leaders. and some of the institutions that came out of those meetings was that the many african countries do actually support russia in the as well. whether it is right or not is another debate. but russians are saying, what are the africans are saying? you have to do with us in times of difficulty. we know that the fight to engage then is not to you a fight. it is a fight that is being prosecuted,

destiny may do and to control the while we're there for costs, you owe a lot with you and his deposition, but let us come to sit down. this was done. conflict is, is very confident you did the concept a console. what you did in the sense is that address southern stage in the life of su, done during the item is fission of ahmad al. but sheer, the a was what was called. they are by vision of islam, so that when you are talking about islam it was not simply that you are a photo of their religion. but you are also added up by the position of our i because the language and the why are you little like customize to drive the who uh the the lift. sure. wait on the think that's behind a minor in, but she's on when the john joe we met the was then seeing it to be

using the fire power against the dark skin. the people in the food that gave the will in so done are totally different. cut it and then that the 5th, therefore, is you have claims of libyans being in this space. you have claims of americans through stipend support being in this space. you have claims of ukrainian being in this space and we know this out of stuff has been recruiting young people across this. i had a problem as far as judge from us. far as and these that these um must synergies who are prosecuting the war against the brand government. and that is why it has not been easy to resolve this conflicts. we know, for example, there wasn't enough time to buy. you got to resolve this particular concept, but the brand government rejected the appointment of the canyon president on the ground that he was partisan. and we also know that there has been an attempt at

what is the reason of this conference in gender, in saudi arabia with this. so these are the americans playing the leading role that i shouldn't have been muted in this particular month. old was solution, but the conflict is continuing the base. and only the last few days there was an attempt to involve uh, present, the sized fed walkie or very for yeah. on the understanding that he does have some kind of connection with both him it the and put it on all these uh, happening at the time when that is great confusion. and of course the names of russia and the names of ukraine. we'd always be there because of the ukrainians, if they don't have what's on the ground. also seen as a conduit of, of weapons. but particularly when you have the f k for the subsidy in the mix, we always look to that part of the supplies of the k 47. so the situation is an interesting one. so if you have play as in the continent of africa,

africa is once again, a sort of conflict. russia expressing ourselves through soft power in southern cases, even being allowed to establish military bases in southern cases if and being invited to take over the basis that i've been a bundled by the west. with that, that is a good or bad thing. the judy is bailout, but i hold the view that the relationship between the african countries and russia must be defined. it must be a relationship that is not one of dominance, but is one of collaboration and as concerns ukraine. i or the view that on till now, i have not seen evidence that they have been invited by in the country to participate on. the participation is seen as one that has been procured by the neo colonizers. and that is an unfortunate thing, and what one should see,

come only when you are invited. thank you very much, let as a photo, a selves, a short break. as we continue the conversation about the continental wasik, the the take a fresh look around his life kaleidoscopic isn't just a shifted reality distortion by power to division with no real opinions.