as you can see this um us style um color revolution um taking place in slovakia because of course black rock here in union don't wants to warrant ukraine to and spots they wants to continue it until the last 2 training. and i don't think that's the european union, we'll jump in sims, these protests are in its very interest savings. um, if you uh, follow ups, of course the news during the last month. so i'm, you could see that um robot seats. so it has to come, besides some big tall autobahn. do you repeat the statesman? where's you tom? as the devil himself, in the eyes of the global list of people because both groups so and all the bonds juanza multiple walls on the one hand. and i me, i find you were also europe and will be more sovereign from the united states of america. i'm not forced um, to follow on every, all of us to globally on the one hand. and um, yeah. secondly, it, they also piece and in the times cuz that when the west is um,

totally um. so the only for what you and for escalations and your crime. people um like seats all and 6 dog bon unfortunately. looks everything service i'm not either off for this use updates on this the last weekend of january cape across all the big developments by giving are to you a follow on the x will ensure you don't miss the moment's goodbye the i'm action or 10 say welcome back to going underground, broadcasting all around the world from the hall to them at least with thanks to

donald trump for a few days. at least the people of guys that have slept without constant u. k. u. s. c, u, umd, aerial bombardment. they have suffered for 16 months today, marks the chevy old 2nd phase of the multi step ceasefire agreement between israel and the palestinian resistance forces with an exchange of prisoners. it will be celebrated as a victory for palestine given the agreement as boarding what was demanded after the attacks from kaiser on october. the 7th. all this, of course comes of the world wait to see if the 47th president of the usa, donald trump, really 6 a peaceful world within minutes of being organization. he had cancelled biden's administration restrictions on the export of 2000 pound bombs. and that's and yahoo, all week israel owned by brittany, you and usa has been targeting the occupied westbank in palestine. that area recording the trump pick for us. i'm about to the, to the, you in at least the phonic is any way is rails because she believes in neutral scripture of a un security council resolutions. some of you can watch trumps pick for deputy

assistant to the president and senior director of the counter terrorism. sebastian gorka, who we interviewed on going underground in the past few weeks. he declared there was no such thing as palestinians. so how did trump get netanyahu to pull is the bombing a problem is to permit full scale invasion of palestine, a war on iran, and will be us removed forces from syria and will the usa finally stop funding the nazis of ukraine and terminate nato. while the so called deep states may support his policies on israel, and is new secretary of state, marco rubio, who has indicated support a was on cuba, venezuela, nicaragua, and china trumps perspectives elsewhere. i know chad is if to preemptively attack the military industrial complex ex national intelligence director, james capa x, the i, a director of leon panetta and is longest subbing for the national security advisor . a message on baldwin, old last access, just so called us intelligence this week. and john bolton, who trump gold dome, is

a rock, also had his secret service protection terminated security. there was a i think that was enough time. it's uh, we take a job, you take your job, you want to do a job. we're not going to have security on people for the rest of their lives. why should we? i thought it was, i thought it was a very dumb person, but i used them well because every time people saw me come into a meeting with john bolton's stand to be. i mean, they thought that he did attack them because he was a war monger. he's the one that got us involved along with j. d and a couple of others convinced bush which was a terrible decision to blow up them. at least you know, it blew up the middle east and we left then we got nothing out of it except a lot of death. we killed a lot of people and john bolton was a, you know, one of those guys is stupid guy. but no,

you can't have that for life. you shouldn't expect it for like i had some people that were, you know, like like a guy like john boat and a friend of mine calls me after i put him on he said, don't hire that guy. he's no good, he's bad news. he's dumb is iraq and all of us, i said, is a problem. but i liked him for a different reason. he's the one that got bush him and cheney, and a couple of other these lunatics. they got them to go into the middle east and to create more in the middle used to spend 9 trillion dollars. remember, i used to say don't go into a rack, but if you do go in, keep the oil. well, they went in, they didn't jeep. there they did keep under the, you know, at a rack is a massive oil country. they have $400000000000.00 right now, but i said, i don't go in, but it's in, but i said it is a vision. so people cared because i get for whatever reason, i get a disproportionate amount of publicity. and some of the assumptions he's going to explain to me, why do you this? will you explain that to me?

so even as a civilian sort of, before i ran a but i'd be very much and you know, involved with the things and statements that go in is but i should don't go in, they went in, it was such a bad decision. so bolton, she again, you get back both a real dog, but i thought he'd be great because he was so stupid. he was like a boiler every time. if, if somebody shut down a little tiny, crappy drone that goes to about $15.00, he'd want to go to war with russia. i said, no, i think he was great for me though, for a period of time because he was a net. yup. and everybody. i could see his face get red, red red with that stupid white mustache, and he'd be ready to explode. and this was good for me. i went to kim john in north through, i took this moron with me and he never said anything. but when tim john saw him,

he said, oh, i think the guy wants to go to war. so he was great for me to negotiate with the same thing with russia. you know, when you saw him, i'd be very nice. i'd say hi vladimir, how you're doing and then pull 02 rows back and it see that more on and it say, oh, this guy wants to go to was built in, was it immediate? but he was great for me because i go in was a guy like john bolton, you know, john brought a friend of mine called called me up. i was picking. bolton is a very smart guy. his name is phil ralph, and he's a very rich guy from las vegas. one of the, he's a great card player. he doesn't play cards, but he's a great, right? you know, he's just a natural poker sense. right. you know, little poker sense and feel rough in his this is a very, very wise kind of a guy. and very one of the richest people around. it has had great success and understands people. so it was in that i was picking button though i picked,

well they call that be said, don't pick him why he's a bad guy of what? no, he wasn't in politics at all. he's in various businesses. he said, he's a bad guy, he's just, it always works out bad with that guy as it. um, i wish you told me this 2 weeks. i already hired, you know, he's here and, and he was right but a but he was good in a certain way. he's in that job. and every time i had to deal with the country, when they showed his wife job standing behind me, they said, oh man trumps, going to go to war was a she was with bush when they went stupidly into the middle east. former us national security adviser investment john bolton joins me now from washington. dc is also being usaa about visiting you and then these revelations, from trump's past and office were published in the room where it happened. a white house memoir. i'm asked to thanks so much for coming back on before we get on to

geo political issues. i better for us, does i wonder threat you feel personally as opposed into a security detail as being the stuff via the new president trump as well? the thread for an iran is very real and in fact i was told just a few days ago, the threat level as a, as high as it's been really for the last 3 years. i'm certainly not the only person that had protection because of this ronnie. and threat including president trump and so i am the only other person who had secret service because that's who gave me protection when i was in the government. others who were from the state department are protected by their security defense department by theirs. i hope i hope there is continues because it's not just a threat against me, but against a, a number of former american officials. i think it's a, you know, i was disappointed but not surprised. this is the kind of man donald trump is and the he doesn't like criticism and, and, you know, we've expected that

a 2nd term would be met in part by vindictiveness. and this is unfortunately a sign of holo cash patel as we've been confirmed yet at the f b. i. but that's a need segue into a run cuz possession can who seems to have the support to all of it's all like how many of seems to be seeking the tones of some kinds a reef? was it the world economic forum and so forth. how do you see a trump terms reaction to the change in the reigning government? especially as some people was saying that the best way to know which is the cause a deal over his not only support tacit support for the operations in the west bank, but all out. well, maybe with us military involvement, that alone cooperation in a war against iran, despite his speech about one thing, a peaceful world, a ripe luck was trump. you never know what the answer is because he has no philosophy. he's totally transactional. sometimes he makes one decision in the,

in the morning and a contradictory decision in the afternoon. i think the predominance of the of sentiment is that the, that truck pushing at yahoo very hard to adopt biden's ceasefire plan and guys because one of the publicity of hostages being released on the eve of his and on the ration of much like in 1981, when reagan was inaugurated and the iranians released the embassy hostages, a just after the end of the claims administration. but what comes next is very unclear. as i say, i believe that most likely course is that the israelis do go after rides, nuclear weapons program. they will never have a as good an opportunity they may or may not get us help. frankly, the global threat of nuclear proliferation is something i think only the united states can stop and we have not done a good job and stopping around or north korea for that matter. so this is an

excellent opportunity, but i also think it's possible that attracted by the potential for the big deal that only donald trump thinks he can make the right answer and giving up. and i'll give you a good reason why at the be a rich g 7 summit in 2019 a manual, my call hidden job. it's a reef then ronnie and foreign minister in a villa in the arrests. and he tried very hard to get donald trump to agree to meet with him. and when i and others spoke with trump about it, i urged him not to meet. but when i left his room, i wasn't sure what he was going to do later that day. i, i thought then i, i'm going to need to resign if, if he meets with 3. now ultimately he didn't do it, but it was a very close call. i think. so what we'll try to do. uh, all i could really say was assurances, stay tune. while he believes in talking and in a sense, george or shortly, always uh, best uh,

but then uh and as i should say on this show we've had not only sebastian gulker, an official in the new trump administration, but we've had the certainly monies daughter on. so we stand very much in the middle of this debate. we have no confirmation about the assassination attempt on yourself . i'm going to ask you a strange question. it might seem one of you are advising possessed in the president of iran as to what to do. they didn't retaliate to israel, as they had said, they've lost their ally and aside in damascus, how would you preemptively attack israel has had been promised or wait it out for a quick. so i'll take a president to do so eloquently written about in your memoir as his longest serving natural security advisor. well i think if, if a ron did attack israel again, a 3rd time with ballistic missiles, they might or might not be able to accomplish much damage. but we, we do know that the a is really attack on iran ballistic missile production facilities has essentially

crippled them, their, their capacity to replace their arse. noise is almost down to 0. so whatever they fire on this next round, if, if they initiate an attack it for rod initiating attack, that's all there is. and one israel response there won't be much leftover runs military. i think you can guarantee that. and i think it was an error, sorry to interrupt, you know they, they were denied that and the rest of the way around comprehensive strategic partnership agreement was signed in moscow to be timed around the organization of president trump. i mean, probably while i'm speaking to you, they may well be russian and chinese a re on them and going on and tear on as well. that's, that is precisely why this is the right moment for israel to act before russia and china produce but more, more capabilities for ron. but also before they give them more assistance in building nuclear weapons, it's not just a question of enriching uranium. it's also

a question of being able to weaponized in by most public reports in the near admission of the israeli government. they already destroyed one nuclear weapon, ization facility and iran. the others are pretty easy targets. ambassador john baldwin, i'll have to stop you there. more from president trump's full, the national security advisor, and the ex us invested to the united nations after this by the, the had a pretty well, we'll just need to just included the, this one was talking to the football and just was wondering if you guys are and put all the state graduates speaking with most of us to call you, we spoke with you and 4 of you should see ended up giving me what's the rubbish to rubbish cubes that are in your particular use or, you know, and you goes out any of the

stop police have taken poison the person your call for support, your community. it is to me and that that will. so we should that they will glad shoppers to assist restore issue was name you're still doing out of them. so it's going in for all and just waiting to take there to and instead of sort of being on the new, much the sort of, you know, near to ask you sort of internet service your thought the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with president trump's former national security adviser and the ex us nebraska to the united nations invested at john bolton. isn't there on the same side with the united states as regards syria of to the catastrophic record or the by the ministration?

i understand you share the same fee, is there any individuals knew? as regards this h t s government celebrated on the terrace of hays american mainstream media. what's your view about the h t, as in damascus, and whether the trump administration has to take a much more wary line than bite and blinking sullivan harris? yeah, i think the evidence that h t s is no longer a terrorist organization is pretty scanty, but the fact that the eligibility trend is beard, took off his combat fatigues and put on a jacket and tie does doesn't mean use any less the chairs. but i know, and so i think the threat of a charity state the re emerging and serious very real that doesn't do anything for me on a rod rod is the single most important for us to pace and security in the middle east. and it will be a threat until the ayatollah is, are removed from power. that's the only long term answer to make around

a responsible part of the region and not the world's biggest supporters terrors. but then do not think that the trying to har, colorado, india is aligns with iran as regards the trade for that huge car door involving nations up to russia involving china. i don't think the world has moved on these past 4 years since the trump at 45 was in office that they kind of look at it the same way and this with i'm so we can do from the united. i remembered some member of bricks or well, i think the fact is that a rod's roofing is still committed to achieving a nuclear weapons capability. it is the stated goal of every country. you've mentioned that as part of the nuclear nonproliferation treaty, non nuclear weapon states should not become nuclear weapon states. so economics is important. i don't deny that, and i know where you're sitting. economics is very important to me. nuclear weapons

are more important, and i think the elimination of the ayatollah is, is the only sure way to take around off the past the nuclear weapons. we should have done this long ago. company, of course, on the radcliffe and one thing nuclear weapons usually don't think that she didn't being or fluids in one to run to have nuclear weapons in that, in a sense is behind these huge agreements between badging and most going to run to supply conventional weapons conventional weapons that are increasingly more liberal and electronically sophisticated is that even the debate, as nothing is as leak lisa, as a nuclear weapon and in the hands of a group of medieval fanatics. i think they are threat not only in the region, but a threat in transporting these weapons anywhere in the world to conduct terrorist operations. so i'll come back to what i said before. this is israel chance, i don't know what they're going to do, but they are to take it. okay,

let's just move on to ukraine. rubio, you must have watched some of that confirmation hearing before he was confirmed the secretary of state in the administration. do you think he's a changed his mind, you seem to be to hear about using sanctions as leverage against pruitt in a rush has grown through sanctions and has been celebrating sanctions at home as a de 90 percent of trade with china is now through you on and maybe 90 percent of the draven saudi arabia soon to be in rails. what do you think ruby has up is leave or we got as regards ukraine, or is it all about trump as regards ukraine as well? this is an aspect of the trump policy, which he and the other advisors have commented on during the campaign that they, they why a negotiation. because as with everything was trapped, the world is just a long line of deals and he wants a deal to take this war and you crank off his table. he views it is by this for he

is said that the war never would have happened to any been elected president, which of course is neither provable nor does provable. but he wants it over with. he doesn't want to complicating his agenda. i think that's very bad news for ukraine. they have threatened russia was more sanctions. in fact, the president trump himself, but has recently put out one of his truth social posts, making that point again. and they threatened the ukraine with a cut off with military assistance. i think a potent in the kremlin would be very happy with a deal where they keep the territory and ukraine. they have, there's a cease fire. nato does not accept the ukraine as a member. all of this was laid out by j. d bands who is now a vice president during the campaign. that was a piece plan that could be written in the kremlin. yeah, so you're saying that the uh, the truth social posts made by trump uh intimated that drum still wants to use sanctions, which again, i don't seem in moscow as being the main issue. i'll give play. i mean,

you said that he wants a cabinet of yes man, but the same time you buy, being boldly supportive of his pick because extra estate. marco rubio, of course, has very old dispositions on nicaragua, venezuela, in the cuba, which is it though you support the view that the drum one's a cabinet. yes man. or you once walk a review. i don't know what you think of mike waltz as the national security advisor, your old position, or he wants both of them. his yes ma'am. he sees them is excellent salesman for his possessions, which they are. but we'll have to say, remember, rubio has been a senator, i think for 14 or 16 years now, he's was in the florida legislature before that he hasn't had a boss and a long time in dealing with trump on a daily basis a is. i can personally test is quite something, so we'll see how it works out. i'd say the same for mike waltz. i have, i have respect for both of my i hope they are not intimidated from giving the president their honest views. that is really what best serves the president trump

does want. yes man, and yes women, but ironically it won't serve the country well. it won't serve him well either. and yet you believe a booted run circles around trump. uh, that is your perspective as well as you've written about in your memoir, in the room where it happened. right. i look i, i think a food and was well trained and had a lot of experience as a k g b agent in the cold war. i think he does know how to size up people. i think he sees trump is an easy mark. somebody who's susceptible to flattery. i could see it an operation and in the 1st term and achieve a lot. i hope that at least i don't think so. but we'll see what happens this time from thanks to us relations with foreign countries depend on his personal relationship with the head of state. it's obviously a lot more complicated than that, but i think put, and we'll try to take advantage of that approach. actually, i in the western hemisphere, do you expect a bit more to leave

a leeway given to some of these cabinet positions as trump sees the big issues of iran, russia, ukraine, korea in china? is it going to be a much more dangerous place? you are hemisphere as well, i think good, i think it depends on whether trump focuses more on the real problems and in the hemisphere what, what we called the tri goes tyranny, and the 1st term cube event as well in nicaragua, or whether trump things are big problems are panama mexico, cadillac, greenland? yeah. so you said that uh, i think you said that uh, some people may be in feeding him this information. why is he picked panama canada or in denmark? oh greenland. well, it's very hard for me to understand, except he thinks that his political base likes this kind of thing. i think actually the way he's approach the greenland security question. where america does have extraordinarily important security interest, the panama canal,

where it is legitimate to raise concern about trying these companies having operating contracts. he's done it the way where he's stepping on his own objectives . he's getting in his own way. he is making it less likely he can get what he wants, because he does a fundamental way, understand what's at stake. so the best i can hope for is that what it's a lot of performance art and now that the performance has been done, we can have some quiet behind the scenes negotiations to resolve some of these issues with well say it wasn't the performance of when he said that the nato nations had to give to present the g d p. and now he's saying 5 percent though, do you think he's gonna stand by the 5 percent contribution? you probably use suppose that you are paying countries are already facing, you know, make a catastrophe. arguably of to the ukraine more we use a board as 5 percent the demand of the european nations benito as well. i don't think he really means 5 percent. i would mean 5 percent for the united states. so

that's essentially the average of the reagan era. defense budget and i think in an increasingly threatening world, our defense spending does have to come up from about 3 percent to say 4 to 5 percent in that range. europe and nato members, i think, would have to go from the 2 percent target of g d pages to 3 percent or maybe more . yeah. but he's standing by 5 percent and you've probably seen the standing by it is standing by it today. wait till tomorrow. you've probably seen the coverage in the european the media let alone at the global list will be going to make for him in the past few days. they were incredibly fearful. and how do you think europe in the country? is it going to react to the drum, the presidency? are they going to realize the game is up? they come to be involved in the ukraine issue without the united states, which has given most of the military support. well, i don't know what europe is going to do. they have a lot of key elections coming up on in germany in february,

the french government is in deep trouble. well, i think the british government, the, like new labor governments run into trouble already despite is majority. we'll see what happens for now. i think trump is a, is talking a lot about tariffs, we don't have much experience with trade wars. unfortunately, in recent years, i think it's potentially quite dangerous, but the europeans do appear to be ready to retaliate. if trump does come with significant tears, what do you think is going to happen because it lensky isn't going to be like noriega a? well look i, i think goes zalinski, did the incredible things, particularly in the early days of the war to rally the people. i think he expressed the sentiment. they had won the secretary of state blanket and offered him a pass out of ukraine to save himself. and his government, he said, i don't need a ride, i need to have munitions. and they fought in very difficult circumstances for 3 years. i hate to say rushes aggression rewarded. but as i was describing earlier,

i, i think that's the direction we're headed to. yeah. you were saying 200000 soldiers . he wants from your be a nation that's not going to happen. well, probably not. but uh, he's in a very difficult position. i don't, i don't envy him and i don't envy him dealing with donald trump. you don't have security favorites anymore, but obviously by trumpet said that he was the r f k j f k m l k papers released. do you think we'll find out who blew up the mountain road stream pipeline. and this trump administration at, you know, i don't know who blow up the nord stream a to pipeline or, or north stream one. if it were, if it turns out to be the ukrainians, i say good for them or the c a i. i would be very, very doubtful of that. and best of all of them. thank you. glad to be with you. and that's it for the show will be back on monday. the anniversary of rushes

liberation of nazi death camp outs you. it's today compared to gaza after 15 months of u. k. u. s. u um genocide, it will also be 50 as since the us senate church committee began revelations of c i a as a version of democracy at home and abroad. we'll be asking to decade c, i a case officer dr. philip bureau, the whether he thinks prospect for world war 3 of them after this week's innovation of donald trump. until then keep in touch my role as social media. if it's not sensitive, we will country and have to our channel going underground tv hon. they'll come to watch new and old episodes of going underground. see you monday the in the

headlines stories this our donald trump confirms. he's freezing us for in a previous report suggested the move last for the next 3 months with 2 countries. israel on the trip exempt from the measures israel releases $200.00 prisoners following the return of for a female idea of soldiers held by come us as part of the ongoing ceasefire agreement. a policy needed no up. liberty spoke to r t about his time and cafeteria. i was sentenced to 25 years and served 13 god willing. i want to focus on my home, my mother and my children. i want to make up for the years. they've lost the difficult days. they lived through and the tough circumstances they endured me. god gives me the strength to make it up to there's nothing more.