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the groups are causing hatred and chaos within the target country. joe again might done on the choose the gun scale or do you sort of do well, i suppose one of the myself is leads up in general. so your interest, if people, let me see, i'm familiar with the way of reaching the get. ca uses anyone at anything if there's a religion the i'm action or it has the welcome back to going underground,

broadcasting all around the world, from the hall to them at least with thanks to donald trump for a few days, at least the people have guys i have slept without constant u. k. u s. c, u umd, aerial bombardment. they have suffered for 16 months today, marks the chevy old 2nd phase of the multi step ceasefire agreement between israel and the palestinian resistance forces with in exchange for those it will be celebrated as a victory for palestine given the agreement as boarding what was demanded after the attacks from gaza or on october the 7th. all this, of course, comes of the world, waits to see if the 47th president of the usa, donald trump, really 6 a peaceful world. within minutes of being organization, he had canceled abiding administration restrictions on the export of 2000 pound bombs. and that, and you know, all week israel owned by brittany, you and usa has been targeting the occupied westbank in palestine. that area are recording to trump pick for us, i'm about to the, to the you in at least phonic is any way is rails because he believes in litrell's

scripture of the un security council resolutions. some of you can watch trump's pick for deputy assistant to the president and senior director of the kinds of terrorism, sebastian gorka, who we interviewed on going underground in the past few weeks. he declared there was no such thing as palestinians. so how did trump get netanyahu to pull is the bombing i promise to permit full scale invasion of palestine, a war on iran, and will be us remove forces from syria and will the usa finally stop funding the nazis of ukraine and terminate nato, while the so called deep states may support his policies on israel and his new secretary of state. marco rubio was indicated, support a was on cuba, then his way let nicaragua and china drums perspectives elsewhere. i know chad is if to preemptively attack the military industrial complex ex national intelligence director, james kappa, x c, i, a director, leon panetta and as long as subbing for the national security advisor,

i message on baldwin all last access to so called us intelligence this week. and john bolton, who trump gold dumb is a rock, also had his secret service protection terminated. there was a to, i think that was enough time. it's uh, we take a job, you take your job, you want to do a job. we're not going to have security on people for the rest of their lives. why should we? i thought it was, i thought it was a very dumb person, but i used them well because every time people saw me come into a meeting with john bolton and sit standing behind me. they thought that he'd attack them because he was a war monger. he's the one that got us involved along with j. d and a couple of others convinced bush which was a terrible decision to blow up them, at least in our blow up the middle east and we left then we got nothing out of it except a lot of death. we killed a lot of people and john bolton was a you know,

one of those guys is stupid guy. but no, you can't have that for life. you shouldn't expect it for life. i had some people that were, you know, like, like a guy like john boat and a friend of mine calls me after i put him on. he said, don't hire that guy. he's no good, he's bad news. he's dumb as a rock and all that stuff. i said is a problem, but i like him for a different reason. he's the one that god bush, him, and cheney, and a couple of other these lunatics. they got them to go into the middle east and to create more in the middle used to spend 9 trillion dollars. remember, i used to say don't go into a rack, but if you do go in, keep the oil. well, they went in, they didn't keep their, they didn't keep anything, you know, at a rack is a massive oil country. they have $400000000000.00 right now. but i said, i don't go in. but if and, but i said it is a vision. so people, jared, because i get for whatever reason, i get

a disproportionate amount of publicity and some of the assumptions he's going to explain to me why you there. will you explain that to me? so even as a civilian sort of, before i ran a but i'd be very much if you know, involved with the things and statements that go in is but i should don't go in, they went in, it was such a bad decision. so bolt and she again, you get back. bolton, a real dog. but i thought he'd be great because he was so stupid. he was like a boiler every time. if, if somebody shut down a little tiny, crappy drone that goes to about $15.00, he'd want to go to war with russia. sure, no, i think he was great for me though, for a period of time because he was a not you up and everybody. i could see his face get red, red red with that stupid white mustache, and he'd be ready to explode. and this was good for me. i went to kim john on,

in north through. i took his moron with me and he never said anything. but when jim john saw him, he said, oh, i think that guy wants to go to war. so he was great for me to negotiate with the same thing with russia. you know, one who you saw it might be very nice. i say hi vladimir, how you're doing and then pull 02 rows back and it see that more on and it say, oh, this guy wants to go to was built in was an immediate, but he was great for me because i go in with a guy like john bolton, you know, john, friend them i called called me up. i was picking. bolton is a very smart guy. his name is phil ralph and he's a very rich from las vegas. one of the he's a great card player. he doesn't play cards, but he's a great, right? you know, he's just a natural poker sense. right. you know, little poker sense and feel rough in his this is a very, very wise kind of a guy. and very one of the richest people around it has had great success and

understands people. so it was in that i was picking baltimore. i picked up a call that'd be said, don't pick him why he's a bad guy. i've worked now. he wasn't in politics at all, he's in various businesses. he said, he's a bad guy, he's just, it always works out bad with that guy as it, um, i wish you tell me this 2 weeks. i already hired, you know, he's here and, and he was right, but a but he was good in a certain way. he's in that job. and every time i had to deal with the country, when they saw this web job standing behind me, they said, oh, mass trump's going to go to war with us. who is with bush when they went stupidly into the middle east. former us national security advisor investment john bolton joins me now from washington. dc is also being usaa about visiting you and then these revelations, from trump's 1st um and office were published in the room where it happened. a

white house memoir. i'm asked to thanks so much for coming back on before we get on to geo political issues are better for us to us. i wonder threat. you feel personally as opposed into security detail as being the stuff by the new president . trump as well as fred, for an iran is very real. and in fact, i was told just a few days ago. the threat level is as high as it's been really for the last 3 years. i'm certainly not the only person that had protection because of this ronnie and threat including president trump himself. i am the only other person who had secret service because that's who gave me protection when i was in the government. others who were from the state department are protected by their security defense department by theirs. i hope i hope there is continues because it's not just a threat against me, but against a, a number of former american officials. i think it's a, you know, i was disappointed but not surprised. this is the kind of man donald trump is. and

he, he doesn't like criticism and, and, you know, we've expected that a 2nd term would be mad in part by vindictiveness. and this is unfortunately a sign of holo cash patel as we've been confirmed yet and a half feet high. but that's a neat segue into a run cuz possession can who seems to have the support to all of it's all like how many of seems to be seeking the tones of them guides a reef? was it the world economic forum and so forth? the how do you see a trump terms reaction to the change in the reigning government, especially as some people was saying that the best way to and then you know, just because a deal over uh, his not only support tested support for operations in the west bank but uh, all out, well maybe with us military involvement, that loan cooperation in a war against iran, despite his speech about wanting a peaceful world, a rifle luck with trump. you never know what the answer is because he has no

philosophy. he's totally transactional. sometimes he makes one decision in the, in the morning and a contradictory decision in the afternoon. i think the predominance of the of sentiment is that the, that truck pushing at yahoo very hard to adopt biden's cease fire planted guys. because he wanted the publicity of hostages being released on the eve of his and on the ration of mike bunch like in 1981 when reagan was inaugurated. and the iranians released the embassy hostages, a just after the end of the claims administration. but what comes next is very unclear. as i say, i believe that most likely course is that the israelis do go after ron's nuclear weapons program. they will never have as good an opportunity they may or may not get us help. frankly, the global threat of nuclear proliferation is something i think only the united

states can stop and we have not done a good job in stopping around or north korea for that matter. so this is an excellent opportunity, but i also think it's possible that attracted by the potential for the big deal that only donald trump thinks he can make the right answer aren't giving up. and i'll give you a good reason why at the be a rich g 7 summit in 2019 a manual mat crawl at hidden job. it's a reef then ronnie and foreign minister in a villa in the ritz. and he tried very hard to get donald trump to agree to meet with him. and when i and others spoke with trump about it, i urged him not to meet. but when i left his room, i wasn't sure what he was going to do later that day. i i thought then i i'm going to need to resign if, if he meets with 3 now alternately, he didn't do it, but it was a very close call. i think. so, what will trump do? all i could really say was assurances, stay tune. while he believes in talking, in

a sense, george or shirley always uh, best uh, but then uh and as i should say on this show we've had not only sebastian gulker, an official in the new trump administration, but we've had the certainly mind his daughter on. so we sound very much in the middle of this debate. we have no confirmation about the assassination attempts on yourself. i go to ask you a strange question. it might seem one of you are advising possessed in the president of iran as to what to do. they didn't retaliate to israel, as they had said, they've lost their ally and aside in damascus, how would you preemptively attack israel has had been promised or wait it out for a quick. so i'll take a president to do so eloquently written about in your memoir as his longest serving natural security advisor. well i think if, if a ron did attack israel again, a 3rd time with ballistic missiles, they might or might not be able to accomplish much damage. but we,

we do know that the a is really attack on iran ballistic missile production facilities has essentially crippled them, their, their capacity to replace their arse. noise is almost down to 0. so whatever they fire under the next round, if, if they initiate an attack it for rod initiating attack, that's all there is. and one israel response there won't be much left of runs military. i think you can guarantee that. and i think it was an error. sorry to interrupt, you know they, they were denied that and the rush around comprehensive strategic partnership agreement was signed in moscow to be timed around the organization of president trump. i mean, probably while i'm speaking to you, they may well be russian and chinese rearmament going on entire on as well. that's, that is precisely why this is the right moment for israel to act before russia and china produce but more, more capabilities for around. but also before they give them more assistance in

building nuclear weapons, it's not just a question of enriching uranium. it's also a question to being able to weaponized in by most public reports in the near admission of the israeli government. they already destroyed one nuclear weapon, ization facility and around the the others are pretty easy targets. ambassador john bolton, i'll have to stop you there. more from president trump's full, the national security advisor, and the ex u. s. i invested to the united nations after this by the ship to fix here. this thing is not a specialist, especially strongly mobile device. the quick to the junior couple junctions. just

the one to the switch to the, the one in for the machine. you want to grow and can you pick what i chose 1st phone? could you tell them by combining the newsletter to sign up for the to come out? i still do expect with the jewish assessor deducted from social problems going over within the the in the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with president trump fullness national security advisor and the ex us nebraska to the united nations invested at john bolton. isn't the roller on the same side with the united states. as regards syria, after the catastrophic record of the by the ministration?

i understand you share the same fee, is there any individuals new as regards this h t s. government celebrated on the terrace of hanes, american mainstream media. what's your view about the h d? as in damascus, and whether the trump administration has to take a much more wary line than bite and blinking sullivan harris. yeah, i think the evidence that h t s is no longer a terrorist organization is pretty scanty. the fact that the eligibility trimmed his beard took off his combat fatigues and put on a jacket and tie does, doesn't mean use any less the chairs. but i know, and so i think the threat of a terrorist state the re emerging and serious, very real that doesn't do anything for me on a rod rod is the single most important for us to pace and security in the middle east. and it will be a threat until the ayatollah is,

are removed from power. that's the only long term answer to make around a responsible part of the region and, and not the world's biggest supporters terrors. but then do not think that the trying to harm colorado, india is alliance with iran, as regards the trade for that huge car door involving nations up to russia. and, well, who's in china? i don't think the world has moved on these past 4 years. and so trump at 45 was in office that they kind of look at it the same way and this with i'm so we can do from united air beverage, some member of bricks as well. i think the fact is that ron's regime is still committed to achieve in a nuclear weapons capability. it is the stated goal of every country. you've mentioned that as part of the nuclear non proliferation treaty, non nuclear weapon states should not become nuclear weapon states. so economics is

important, i don't deny that i know where you're sitting. economics is very important to me. nuclear weapons are more important. and i think the elimination of the ayatollah is, is the only sure way to take around off the past the nuclear weapons. we should have done this long ago company, of course, on the radcliffe and one thing nuclear weapons usually don't think that she didn't bang or fluids in one to run to have nuclear weapons in that, in a sense is behind these huge agreements between badging and most going to run to supply conventional weapons, conventional weapons that are increasingly more liberal and electronically sophisticated. is that even the debate as nothing is as leak lisa, as a nuclear weapon and in the hands of a group of medieval fanatics. i think they are threat not only in the region, but a threat in transporting these weapons anywhere in the world to conduct terrorist operations. so i'll come back to what i said before. this is israel chance,

i don't know what they're going to do, but they ought to take it. okay, let's just move on to ukraine. rubio, you must have watched some of that confirmation hearing before he was confirmed the secretary of state in the administration. do you think he's a changed his mind? he seemed to me to hear about using sanctions as leverage against pruitt and rushes grown through sanctions and has been celebrating sanctions at home as a 90 percent of trade with china is now through you on and maybe 90 percent of the draven saudi arabia soon to be in rails, what do you think ruby has up is leave or go as regards ukraine, or is it all about trump as regards ukraine as well? this is an aspect of the trunk policy, which he and the other advisors have commented on during the campaign that they, they why a negotiation. because as with everything was dropped to the world is just a long line of deals. and he wants to deal to take this war and ukraine off his

table. he views it as biden's for. he has said that the war never would have happened, had he been elected president, which of course is neither provable nor does provable. but he wants it over with he doesn't want to complicating his agenda. i think that's very bad news for ukraine. they have threatened russia with more sanctions. in fact, the present trump himself, but has recently put out one of his truth social posts, making that point again. and they threatened the ukraine with a cut off of military assistance. i think a potent in the kremlin would be very happy with a deal where they keep the territory and ukraine. they have, there's a cease fire. nato does not accept the ukraine as a member. all of this was laid out by j. d bands who is now a vice president during the campaign. that was a piece plan that could be written in the kremlin. yeah, so you're saying that the uh, the truth social posts made by trump uh intimated that drum still wants to use

sanctions, which again, i don't seem in moscow as being the main issue. well, get play. i mean, you said that he wants a cabinet of yes man, but the same time you buy, being boldly supportive of his pick because extra estate. marco rubio, of course, has very old dispositions on nicaragua, venezuela, in the cuba, which is it though, do you support the view that the drum one's a cabinet? yes, man. or you want to walk a review and i don't know what are you thinking like? well, it says national security advisor, your old position, as he watched both of them. his yes ma'am. he sees them as excellent salesman for his positions, which they are. they will have to say. remember, rubio has been a senator, i think for 14 or 16 years now, he's was in the florida legislature before that he hasn't had a boss and a long time in dealing with trump on a daily basis is i can personally test is quite something. so we'll see how it works out. i'd say the same for mike waltz. i have, i have respect for both of my i hope they are not intimidated from giving the president their honest views. that is really what best serves the president trump

does want. yes, man and yes women, but ironically it won't serve the country well. it won't serve him well either. and yet you believe a booted run circles around trump. uh, that is your perspective as well as you've written about annual memoir in the room where it happened. right, i look i, i think a food and was well trained and had a lot of experience as a k g b agent in the cold war. i think he does know how to size up people. i think he sees trump is an easy mark. somebody who's susceptible to flattery, i could see it in operation and in the 1st term it didn't achieve a lot. i hope that at least i don't think so, but we'll see what happens this time. trump thinks it's us relations with foreign countries depend on his personal relationship with the head of state. it's obviously a lot more complicated than that, but i think put, and we'll try to take advantage of that approach. actually,

i in the western hemisphere, do you expect a bit more to leave a leeway given to some of these cabinet positions as trump sees the big issues of iran, russia, ukraine, korea in china? is it going to be a much more dangerous place your hemisphere as well? i think i think it depends on whether trump focus is more on the real problems and in the atmosphere what, what we call the tri goes tyranny. and the 1st term cube of venezuela. nicaragua, or whether trump thinks are big problems. are panama mexico, cadillac, greenland? yeah. you. so you said that uh, i think you said that uh, some people maybe in feeding him this information was he picked panama cabinet there in denmark. oh greenland. well, it's very hard for me to understand, except he thinks that his political base likes this kind of thing. i think actually the way he's approach the greenland security question. where america does have

extraordinarily important security interest, the panama canal, where it is legitimate to raise concern about trying these companies having operating contracts. he's done it in a way where he's stepping on his own objectives. he's getting in his own way. he's, he's making it less likely he can get what he wants, because he doesn't fundamentally understand what's at stake. so the best i can hope for is that what it's a lot of performance art. and now that the performance has been done, we can have some quiet behind the scenes negotiations to resolve some of these issues. we'll say it wasn't the performance of when he said that the nato nations had to give to present the g d p. and now he's saying 5 percent though, do you think he's gonna stand by the 5 percent contribution? you probably use suppose that you are paying countries are already facing, you know, make a catastrophe, arguably of to the ukraine more i would use the board as 5 percent of them on the european nations benito as well. i don't think he really means 5 percent. i would

mean 5 percent for the united states, so that's essentially the average of the reagan era, the defense budget. and i think in an increasingly threatening world, our defense spending does have to come up from about 3 percent to say 4 to 5 percent in that range. europe and nato members, i think, would have to go from the 2 percent target of ged pages to 3 percent or maybe more . yeah. but he's standing by 5 percent and you've probably seen the standing by it is standing by it today. wait till tomorrow. you've probably seen the coverage in the european, the media, let alone at the global list. well, you know, make for him in the past few days, they were incredibly fearful. and how do you think europe in countries are going to react to the drum, the presidency? are they going to realize the game is up, they come to be involved in the ukraine issue without the united states, which has given most of the military support? well, i don't know what europe is going to do. they have

a lot of key elections coming up on in germany in february, the french government is in deep trouble. well, i think the british government, the, like new labor governments run into trouble already despite is majority. we'll see what happens for now. i think trump is a, is talking a lot about tariffs, we don't have much experience with trade wars. unfortunately in recent years, i think it's potentially quite dangerous, but the europeans do appear to be ready to retaliate. if trump does come with significant tears, what do you think is going to happen because it lensky? is he going to be like noriega a? well look i, i think goes zalinski, did the incredible things, particularly in the early days of the war to rally the people. i think he expressed the sentiment. they had won the secretary of state blanket and offered him a pass out of ukraine to save himself. and his government, he said, i don't need a ride, i need to have munitions. and they fought in very difficult circumstances for 3

years. i hate to say rushes aggression rewarded. but as i was describing earlier i, i think that's the direction we're headed to. yeah. using 200000 soldiers, he wants from your be a nation that's not going to happen. well, probably not, but uh, he's in a very difficult position. i don't, i don't envy him, but i don't envy him dealing with donald trump. you don't have security periods anymore. but obviously by trumpet said that he was the r f k j f k m l k papers released. do you think we'll find out who blew up the mountain road stream pipeline in this trump administration? you know, i, i don't know who blow up the nord stream a to pipeline or, or north stream one if it were, if it turns out to be the ukrainians, i say good for them or the c a i, i would be very, very doubtful of that and best of all of them. thank you. glad to be with you.

and that's it for the show will be back on monday. the anniversary of rushes liberation of nazi death camp outs you. it's today compared to gaza after 15 months of u. k. u. s. u um genocide, it will also be 50 years since the u. s. senate church committee began revelations of c i a as a version of democracy at home and abroad. we'll be asking to decade c, i a case officer dr. phillip bureau, the whether he thinks prospects for world war 3 of them after this weeks and he'll get ration of donald trump until then. keep in touch my role as social media. if it's not sensitive, we'll country and have to our channel going underground tv on rumble. they'll come to us new and old episodes of going underground. see you monday the .