as a hopefully from this foreign policy, although we base that on his 1st term and office that's not so clear. i won't be so kind of sending off, don't know, trump on his base simply because of their ability to put forth a more educated candidate. somebody who can argue, um, you know, someone different point of view from the mainstream has been rather constrained was not. i mean, to some extent trunk is you can see an ongoing but still the child of the american political system, well is the bastard step, son of the american political system. in that regard. he's manages to, he has a lot of popularity in certain sectors in his base is iron type means that no matter what he does, he said he can shoot somebody in broad daylight on 5th avenue and he wouldn't lose a single vote. so you know that that base of his will stick with him and they

believe in him. we as so far, it doesn't seem that no matter what he does, he's going to lose them. but the power of the guy, let me just interject here a little bad because we have have a lot of educated, you know, highly polished american liter. it's like president obama, who will don't speak such a foul language for what don't give speeches about, you know, shooting somebody in broad daylight. i mean, yes, they are responsible. historically, they're responsible for, you know, many, many people dying as a consequence on the policy is. so, you know, trump being flashing in his rhetoric, but rather modest than his war fighting, isn't that bad or, and then somebody left say, educated as long fingers. so as aesthetically looking, but, you know, launching words, the plunge called countries into the dark ages. what you could make

a good case that biden's policies foreign policy was terrible. that bite and did mail it to help militarize the planet. and that trump is sometimes sounds like he's going to be a peacemaker. it isn't argue i'll address his that i want to be a peacemaker. anyway on to say that he wants to take back to kind of, aka, now he went on to lie about it and he said that china run sick and now it doesn't. he said that 38000 americans died building that canal to see here that we have is 5600 americans. and he said we're going to take it back. you know, so what, what, what is trump is it just says, rhetoric, or is that the ugliness that he's views? i will have to say, i'm hoping i'm giving him the benefit of the doubt that maybe he'll do something better. visa v, russia and ukraine. visa v, the middle east and visa of

a china. but during his 1st term it offers his policy toward china, was very high. so he just had a trade war with china. he was sanction china as a sanction russia. and you have to remember if you want to talk about it honestly, who is the one who gave me for a to ukraine? it was an obama obama refused to do so. a bomb is said, ukraine is much more strategic interest of russia than the united states. you refuse to give a legal aid? trump comes in there, not only increasingly, sanctions russia, but it gives legal aid to ukraine. so there's a lot of blame to go around and almost all these american presidents, since kennedy, have a lot of blood on their hands now. um you rose before and that it was trumps. anti war stands that was one of the under played factors that pushed him to his election

victory. and i wonder, what do you exactly mean by anti war is a sort of a sense against war or stands against spending on the war elastic. good question. what i said during the campaign is the fact that the democrats have become so weak, so corrupt, so taken over by neo cons and war hawks, that's from good position in, in south during the campaign as the peace candidate. and the pro working class candidate means that the world is upside down. and american politics are upside down. but, but as on the very big critic of the democratic party, what has happened to the democratic party, what they've turned into. but i'm also a big frederick of donald trump, although he did say some good things during the campaign. he said that, you know, that the ukraine war is

a very stupid more in terms of everybody's interest. and we need to bring you to an end as quickly as possible. i agree with him. that would be wonderful. but you heard what zelinski said yesterday at davos is said that he wants $200000.00 troops, including us troops in order to come to a peace settlement. while the united states has not about to put thousands of troops into ukraine and put in, is never going to accept that. and so, and so what zaleski is saying, now we don't know what trump's response is going to be at. but from did threatened russia. and it's threatened, russia is as a frustrated, hasn't come to the bargaining table, and we don't know what the deal. trump was simply cut. he said he's getting to increase the sanctions going to increase arm. so you crane, i'm a rush or pay a prize is already talking about the energy sanctions more introduced actions

against russia. i talked to his wife professor, whose name kabir, that they have been so many rounds of sanctions are all against russia by the united states. but you know, uh, quite a few of us here, uh, rather skeptical and be us and billeted to her this much more. but this is a very important issue that you are raising because all of us we do have many of us of these have relatives in ukraine. you know, our economy, our society is suffering from the strong conflicts. and definitely mean there is a, you know, she monitoring the konami's political, cultural, spiritual need to put in on to absolutely because good, because let me say if this work continues and that is 6 months and the 12 months from the perspective of the ukrainian people, they're gonna be in worse, shape, rush is going to take more ukrainian territory. they're going to be tends hundreds of thousands more dead and wounded on both sides. the economies are going to be

hurt. so i've been continuing this floor is not in rushes interest. it's not a ukraine's interest, it's certainly not in america's interest, except those americans want to see russia weekend. but the only ones who profit from this are the merchants of death, the military manufacturers. and that one from says he was saying a nato to increase its military spending from 2 percent to 5 percent of g d p. mean, that is exactly the opposite direction that the world needs to go. in fact, the united states, if the u. s. were going to increase to 5 percent of g d page. you guys would have to spend an additional $500000000000.00 a year. but from the so ignorant, he doesn't know that or doesn't care. now he may be ignorant, but there are a lot of people around him who may have hear me suggest some policy and that may look appealing to him,

but in the medium run would be detrimental. and what i'm talking about here is that from be it's clear that he doesn't want to spend more americans bias on the creating costs, i think. but there are lots of analysts will sort of suggest that you should uh, try to hand over the financing of this conflict to the europeans, which would keep your of tied to washington and russia tied up in a low intensity conflict. what does that be? a good deal uh for the americans. do you think it would be sold to trump up to jump on ministration as a good deal? o trump will sell, and if he does a good deal at it, just make up the facts as he goes along because he doesn't care about truth. however, it would be a terrible deal for the american people. what's in the america's interest right now is a peaceful world or other which united states, i guess, along with russia and china and it there and

a rod and even north korea. and we stop this war mongering on a global scale. put and as indicated in response to some things that trump said that he wants to talk to the united states about cutting back on nuclear weapons. so we need is that kind of vision, those kind of actions, you know, as much as you hear me is a critic of from you. i was just in oslo, i was a member of the, the holland hidalgo delegation to the nobel peace prize. i nominated them for the nobel peace prize. i said of trump will eliminate nuclear weapons and create a more peaceful world. i'll nominate him for the nobel peace prize. you know, so i'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. if he is going to do good things, but i see what he's doing already inside the united states. that is making a cooler, vindictive, painful, you know, all the country inside united states. is he going to be able to act globally in

a different way so far? i'm not seeing it. it looks like many people around the world. our many leaders are trying, including yourself and trying to talk, come up with the sort of own way of dealing with the paradox. all of trump, i mean, you are in the good company here because president put in just a couple of hours ago. i described donald trump press print, magic and trustworthy, and he actually said that he agrees with strong, despite old, as someone black mailing rupturing. that's a heard from trump. over the last couple of days, he said that he agrees withdrawn, that has he been in office, the crating conference would that would have never a started on the. so it would this kinetic phase of it would have never proceeded. do you take that as a sort of as an effort by putting into flat or perhaps, and donald trump on, do you think indeed that they may be some historical and your political basis for

such kind of argument? you know, it's one of those counterfactual is that we'll never know by that and have every opportunity to try to come to an agreement with russia before the invasion. you know, i, i agree that this should never have happened. and that the expansion of nato to russians doorstep was a stupid policy as a per, parochial, and also a blind policy on the part of biden, and of nato and of ukraine. so is it possible that if trump had been in there, that they would've made a deal? you know, trump likes to make deals, but you have to remember that from doesn't like to make equal deals. trump likes to the chinese talk about when, when, when, when diplomacy,

the americans think in terms of a 0 sum game. we win and you lose. trump said the americans, we get tired of winning, we're going to win constantly. and he's saying the same thing again. i've heard from people who like trump, who voted for trunk, who are now are sick and by what they've seen already. and it hasn't even been in the office a week yet. so is it possible? yes. would it have been doable? absolutely. and that, and trump is not motivated, he has no sense of compassion. he has no sense of every body benefit a he wants american to be great again to dominate, but he wants to do so in a way that i think is not only bullying managed even trying to bully russia. it doesn't work with vladimir putin. let me stop here here because this is a fascinating subject that to me will come back to you after a short break agent. the

take a fresh look around his life. kaleidoscopic isn't just a shifted reality distortion by power to division with no real opinions. fixtures designed to simplify will confuse really once a better wills, and is it just as a chosen few fractured images presented to this. but can you see through their illusions, going underground? can 1941 with the nazis health relation, ultra nationalists, the you astonishes the claim, the independent state of croatia. shortly off, the seizing power. they build the scene of us concentration camp,

a place associated with the worst atrocities committed in yugoslavia during world war 2. use dashes used to come system to isolate and exterminate subs, roma, jews, and other non catholic minorities, and political opponents of the fascist regime conditions in the santa of us. campbell who renders the gods tortured to arise and the prisoners they send them the concentration camps. so most of them died. it was incredible genocide. the welcome back to what was a part of smith's peter cruz nick, a professor of history of american, the university professor. and just before the break, you were talking about tom's liking to do deals and sell them very

flamboyant way. and yet i think there, there is a, an openness, at least on the russian side, on the russian presence side to engage in some sort of consultations. but i see here a major sort of foreign versus substance problem because russian doesn't need just any kind of deal. russian needs a very detailed deal uh, with every little thing of thoughts through and with some security thing guarantees that it will be upheld not only by trunk but by successive administrations. of like an important be know, he's very meticulous about things like that. but where is donald trump doesn't seem to have much skill or much, much patience for this kind of approach. do you think these differences of personality of style, all fun, you know, governing and philosophy? do you think they can be overcome?

yes, i do think that can be overcome. may not because donald trump is going to change because it is possible for him to have statesmen around him who can do it right now. it's not looking like it. if you look at the people he's nominated or pointed, they're not the kind of people who can carry out this kind of a deal. for example, this choice from the secretary defense pervert, hex f. you mean to, can you imagine there was the 19th century word that because kac a stock per se, which means government by the worst people. and that seems to be a bad trump is doing is as an excess is not competent in any way to be secretary defense. he would be even worse then from in terms of making this kind of arrangement. so is it possible? yes, but he would need different kind of people. what we see happening is that he's replacing

firing all the career civil servants who have not been following up and supporting his policies. so we're see a across the board sweeping firing of compet in people and he's going to replace them with these sick of fans at ideologues america, people. and these are for the most part, not very confident people, even when it comes to china. he's been saying much more conciliatory things towards china, but look at the people he's bring in there. these are the china hawks, but marco ramos versus the canada guys make a suggestion here because america prides itself on being a democracy. and it's true to some of his appointment choices, rather unorthodox, diplomatic, but you have a vibrant i can demick, business and scientific community isn't the time for some of those people with not

only with the reputation, but we have to expertise to come forward and offer us something not to rely only on the presidential office, but for example, on issues of you can dissolve them and the clinton is ready to discuss with the trump. you know, you have a lot of people knowledgeable people who can come forward and suggest something. yeah, absolutely. and most of them are very, very disappointed with what's happened so far. i know that i was given him the benefit of the doubt. i went on tucker across the show with oliver stone. you know, we talked about all the potential there is now, but even tucker carlson was very worried about the neo conservatives who trump was pointing to because they know and we know that they're gonna to get a try to persuade him not to do the better things that he was talking about being peace around the world. but again, to try to persuade him to pursue the america 1st american hegemony ad agenda.

and so yeah, there are good people. but when we look at trump's a nuclear policies, there is 1st term in the office that they're very, very disappointing. where they found 1st the 1st discussion you have to put in said let's extend the new star treaty. trump puts down the phone and ask the people, what's the new star treat it even though they get so on. it says, no, it's a bad treaty. we don't want to extend that at a pull the united states out of not only the new star treaty which you refuse to extend, but also the i n f treaty intermediate as nuclear forces treaty. the help is guys treaty, the jcp away the around nuclear deal, which russia was instrumental in helping secure a trump. when he was told at a meeting that the us had dramatically lowered the nuclear arms side number of nuclear arms. we have from the peak at night 1886 down to the numbers we have now.

trump said i want to increase our nuclear arsenal reference. i stay of frustration to repair a new president, but it's not our fault. the police say this, this time around, but i mean, this is the american society that point this person into office and, you know, i, that's why i ask you, these brought a question before the, the, about the, you know, the personality of the president reflecting the state of the society and i've been, uh, you know, sort of exploring the american approach to public relations for quite some time i, i cited in the united states and it always has not been fascinating, but scared me how much the americans are willing to take perception for reality and there you even have a slogan, i think a that goes back to one of the ronald reagan. so political advisors saying that that it's possible, but we know from scientific calling to side is that, you know,

there is a consequence to it. and when people do that on the repeat the basis um, broadly within the society, and that leads to not only a loss of touch with reality, but even mild side costs as haven't you got what you have practiced. only in the most outrageous form, i would say that a lot of it has to do with the media. and that 1st that trump voters tended to be low information voters, the less educated people in society. and they watch fox news and they listen to a lot of social media and they're getting a view of things. however, you have to remember that trump as a certain kind of performance. and by the end of his 1st administration, he was very unpopular. his approval ratings were quite low. people gotten tired of his stick and when he ran for re election bite and beat him by 7000000 candidates,

7000000 votes by that and who was never a good candidate who admits, wanted the president for decades, was able to beat him by 7000000 votes cuz people have gotten so tired of him, and now they're seeing what they have forgotten. you know, the point one of the points you're making is that americans have very little memory as joe and live a former chinese premier. i said, why did to try me things about the americans is they have absolutely no historical memory. people can't remember 4 hours ago let alone 4 years ago, but now they're being reminded why they dislike donald trump so much. and the honeymoon that president scared when they come to office is gonna be over very quickly because he hasn't done anything to help his as base as voters to really do need help. they were hurt by installation. and what he's doing, instead, they didn't want him to release the violent criminals from january 6th. the was to

beat police officers, and trump was too lazy to even do differentiate between the violent ones and the and violent ones. they said that's it. really small, you know, this is not what is base wanted if you want to see something very, very different than what he's doing. at this point, i think the american people are going to be tired of it very quickly. and that within 2 years, the republicans are going to lose in both houses unless they separate themselves much more from this, these policies and push back. oh professor cruise big left me taking issue with your point that it's primarily trumps. low advocated based that fall for these kind of political and historical staves. i'm sure you saw a trunk, recent post about the russians, supposedly housing, the americans to win world war to losing 60000000 lives in the process.

i'm sure you know the peer and rush, or we see it in a totally different way that we were helped by the americans and we paid for it. you know of be land please. wasn't free of charge. but my question is, why do you think this theme of world war to victory keeps resurfacing and why do you think it's not only a trump supporters but you know, respective students i feel classes will also seem to fall for it. yeah, this is not only americans, europeans, also in the surveys across europe, only 17 percent of the european surveyed think that the russians played an important role in when a world war 2 in france was down to 7 for sense as so my students are not outliers in that regard, the americans are taught that we one world war 2. the reality is, you know,

and i know is that the russians were the ones who defeated nazi, germany of and that throughout most of the war, us in britain, phase 10 german divisions between us, while of russia face more than $200.00 german divisions. and so, as churchill even admitted is they read already that tor, the gods, out of the german war machine. but in america, but the world doesn't learn much history. history is very politicized. and the americans learn american, that's the russians learn more history. but i learned a lot of russian is the chinese and jeff japan, oliver stutter. i. what we did are sticking to our in japan. we titled some of our talks in an article he wrote us in japan partners in historical falsification. i see all the countries doing this and i think it's dangerous. and especially when it comes to talking about world war 2. if we don't learn the lessons of the past,

we're going to repeat them. and then when you see eli and musk out, they are giving their fashion salute. mean, how so? how appalling was that to people in russia to see you on most giving and fashion salute to the drum circle? i think the russian didn't take it as such, but the point you're making is that if it is just a form of ignorance or do you think it's perhaps a deliberate distortion? i'm talking about being what, what to victoria stuff. the distortion of history to prop up national identity and i think it's a combination of the 2. yeah. and that the right history wars and the government's support them. and they, they understand more than the public does. how important people's understanding of a past due as to how they see the present. you know, we do live through the cold war, which was a horrible period in history. and now we're again,

we're closer to nuclear war. now, there we've been at any time since the cuban missile crisis, maybe the 1st than any time ever, which is why it's so important that the leaders of russia, china, the united states, india and others sit down and talk and figure out how to ease these tensions to settled them peacefully through diplomacy. absolutely. oh, see on based uplifting point. let's leave it there. hopefully. uh somebody in some office real. hear us on the safe taking the advice from that, but thank you very much for being with us today. professor president, thank you for a lively discussion and thank you for watching the quote, the sooner again on was a part of the

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