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tv   Worlds Apart  RT  January 26, 2025 7:30am-8:01am EST

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has been rather constraints, was it not? i mean, to some extent trump is uh you can say an argument, but still uh charles of the american political system while he is the bastard se epstein of the american political system in that regard. he's manages to, he has a lot of popularity in certain sectors. his base is iron type means that no matter what he does, he said he can shoot somebody in broad daylight on 5th avenue and he wouldn't lose a single vote. so you know that that basis is, will stick with him and they believe in him. we as so far, it doesn't seem that no matter what he does is going to lose them. but the power of the guy, let me just interject here a little bad because we have have a lot of educated, you know, highly polished the american leader is like president obama, who,
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who don't speak such a foul language. what does it give speeches about, you know, shooting somebody in broad daylight and yet they are responsible. historically, they're responsible for, you know, many, many people dying as a consequence on the policy is. so, you know, trump being flashing in his rhetoric, but rather modest than he is war fighting, isn't that bad? right? and then somebody left say, educated with long fingers. so as a static looking, but you know, long she was the lunch called countries into the dark ages. what you could make a good case that biden's policies foreign policy was terrible. that vide and did. no, it's helped militarize the planet. and that trump is sometimes sounds like he's going to be a peacemaker. it isn't argue i'll address his that i want to be a peacemaker. anyway on to say that he wants to take back to kind of walking. now.
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he went on to lie about it. so he said that china run sick and now it doesn't. he said that 38000 americans died building that canal to see here that we have is 5600 americans. and he said we're going to take it back. you know, so what, what, what is trump is it just says, rhetoric, or is it the ugliness that he's views? i will have to say, i'm hoping i'm giving him the benefit of the doubt that maybe he'll do something better. visa v, russia and ukraine. visa v, the middle east and visa of a china. but during his 1st term, it offers his policy toward china, was very high. so he had a trade war with china. he was sanction china as a sanction russia. and you have to remember if you want to talk about it honestly, who is the one who gave legal aid to ukraine?
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it was an obama obama refused to do so. a bomb is said, ukraine is much more strategic interest of russia than the united states. you refuse to give a legal aid from comes in, they are not only increasingly sanctions russia but gives legal aid to ukraine. so there's a lot of blame to go around. and almost all these american presidents, since kennedy, have a lot of blood on their hands. now, um you rose before and that it was trumps. anti war stands that was one of the under played factors that pushed him to his election victory. and i wonder, what do you exactly mean by anti war is a sort of a sense against war or stands against spending on the war elastic. good question. what i said during the campaign is the fact that the democrats have become so weak, so corrupt, so taken over by neo cons and war hawks,
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that's from good position in, in south during the campaign as the peace candidate. and the pro working class candidate means that the world is upside down. and american politics are upside down. but, but as on the very big critic of the democratic party, what has happened to the democratic party, what they've turned into. but i'm also a big credit of donald trump, although he did say some good things during the campaign. he said that, you know, that the ukraine war is a very stupid more in terms of everybody's interest. and we need to bring you to an end as quickly as possible. i agree with him. that would be wonderful. but you heard wed zelinski said yesterday at davos is said that he wants $200000.00 troops, including us troops in order to come to
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a peace settlement. while the united states has not about to put thousands of troops into ukraine and put in, is never going to accept that. and so, and so what zaleski is saying, now we don't know what transfer response is going to be at. but trump did threaten russia. and it's threatened, russia is as a frustrate as an come to the bargaining table, and we don't know what the deal trump was simply cut is that he's getting to increase the sanctions going to increase arm. so ukraine, i'm a rush to pay a prize is already talking about the energy sanctions, more introduced sanctions against russia. the professor course think of the that they have been so many rounds of sanctions are all against russia by the united states. that you know, uh, quite a few of us here. uh, rather skeptical and be us and billeted to her this much more. but this is a very important issue that you are raising because all of us we do have many of us
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at least have relatives in your brain. you know, our economy, our society is suffering from this strong conflicts. and definitely mean there is a, you know, she monitoring the konami's political, cultural, spiritual need to put in on to absolutely because, because let me say if this work continues and that is 6 months. and now this fall, buns from the perspective of the ukrainian people, they're gonna be in worse, shape. rush is going to take more ukrainian territory. they're going to be tens, hundreds of thousands more dead and wounded on both sides. the economies are going to be hurt. so i've been continuing this floor is not in rushes interest. it's not in ukraine's interest. it's certainly not in america's interest, except those americans want to see russia weekend. but the only ones who profit from this are the merchants of death, the military manufacturers. and at the one from says he was saying,
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a nato to increase its military spending from 2 percent to 5 percent of g d p. mean, that is exactly the opposite direction that the world needs to go. in fact, the united states, if the u. s. were going to increase to 5 percent of g d page. you guys would have to spend an additional $500000000000.00 a year, but front to so ignorant. he doesn't know that or doesn't care. now he may be ignorant, but there are a lot of people around him who may have hear me suggest some policy and that may look appealing to him, but in the medium run would be detrimental. and what i'm talking about here is that i'm trying to be, it's clear that he doesn't want to spend more american funds on the creating costs, i think. but there are lots of analysts with sort of suggests that he should um, try to hand over the financing of this conflict to the europeans, which would keep your of tied to washington and russia tied up in
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a low intensity conflict. what does that be? a good deal uh for the americans. do you think it would be sold to trump up to jump on ministration as a good deal? o trump will sell, and if he does a good deal at it, just make up the facts as he goes along because he doesn't care about truth. however, it would be a terrible deal for the american people. what's in the america's interest right now is a peaceful world or other which united states, i guess, along with russia and china and it there and a rod and even north korea. and we stop this war mongering on a global scale. put and as indicated in response to some things that trump said that he wants to talk to the united states about cutting back on nuclear weapons. so we need is that kind of vision, those kind of actions, you know, as much as you hear me is a critic of from you. i was just in oslo, i was
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a member of the, the holland hidalgo delegation to the nobel peace prize. i nominated them for the nobel peace prize. i said of trump will eliminate nuclear weapons and create a more peaceful world. all nominated him for the nobel peace prize. you know, so i'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. if he is going to do good things, but i see what he's doing already inside the united states. that is making a cooler, vindictive, painful, you know, all the country inside united states is he going to be able to add globally in a different way so far? i'm not seeing it. it looks like many people around the world. our many leaders are trying, including yourself and trying to talk, come up with the sort of own way of dealing with the paradox. all of trump, i mean, you are in the good company here because president put in just a couple of hours ago. i described donald trump press print, magic and trustworthy,
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and he actually said that he agrees with strong, despite old as someone black mailing rupturing that's been heard from trump. over the last couple of days, he said that he agrees with chung that have keeping an office the ukraine comes with would that would have never a started on the said it would. this kinetic phase of it would have never proceeded . do you take that as a sort of as an effort by putting into flat or perhaps, and donald trump on, do you think indeed that they may be some historical and your political basis for such kind of argument? you know, it's one of those counterfactual is that we'll never know by that and have every opportunity to try to come to an agreement with russia before the invasion. you know, i, i agree that this should never have happened. and that the expansion of nato to
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rush his doorstep was as stupid policy as a, per a parochial, and also a blind policy on the part of biden, and of nato and of ukraine. so is it possible that if the trump had been in there, that they would've made a deal? you know, trump likes to make deals, but you have to remember that from doesn't like to make equal deals. trump spikes. so the chinese talk about when, when, when, when diplomacy, the americans think in terms of a 0 sum game, we win and you lose. trump said the americans, we get tired of winning, we're going to win constantly. and he's saying the same thing again. i've heard from people who like trump, who voted for trunk, who are now are sick and by what they've seen already. and it hasn't even been in the office a week yet. so is it possible? yes. would it have been doable?
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absolutely. and that, and trump is not motivated, he has no sense or compassion. he has no sense of every body benefit a he wants american to be great again to dominate, but he wants to do so in a way that i think is not only bullying minis even trying to bully russia. it doesn't work with latin airport and let me stop here here because this is a fascinating subject that to me will come back to you after a short break speech and the told him the hollywood welcome. now i was fucking into dreamland for dreams come true. we have approximately
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10000000 people in california that are risk of becoming on house looks good man pulls up somebody for working to pretty jobs and still not enough because of the cost of living also has increased co bags and then still buying chest last year long the amount of of homeless rose by 12 percent in california of the just need to just include up the history of booking any components here. so something that the president put all the state graduates even the most for us to call you, just simply to inform, you should see me, your doctor's name, what's the rubbish to rubbish cubes
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that are in your particular use or, you know, and it goes out any of the stuff, please have taken poison. pushing your coffee support your community. it is to me and that that will so we should they will glad shoppers to switch to issue was name you're still doing out of them. so let's go ahead and put all in this way and attentive to, and instead of be sort of been on and how much to sort of, you know, need to ask you sort of internet service your thought the welcome back to what was a part smith, peter cruz, the professor of history of american, the university professor. and just before the break, you were talking about tom's liking to do deals and sell them very full
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importantly. and yet, i think there, there is a, an openness, at least on the russian side, on the russian friends inside to engage in some sort of consult patients. but i see here a major sort of foreign versus substance problem because russian doesn't need just any kind of deal russian needs and very detailed deal uh, with every little thing of thoughts through and with some security guarantees that it'll be upheld not only by trunk, but by success as ministrations and of love to me, which would be no, he's very meticulous about things like that. but where is donald trump doesn't seem to have much skill or much, much patience for this kind of approach. do you think these differences of personality of style, all fun, you know a governing feel also so you do you think they can be overcome?
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yes, i do think that can be overcome. may not because donald trump is going to change because it is possible for him to have statesmen around him who can do it right now. it's not looking like it. if you look at the people he's nominated or pointed, they're not the kind of people who can carry out this kind of a deal. for example, this tries through secretary defense pervert, hex f. you mean to, can you imagine there was the 19th century word that because kac of stock, per se, which means government by the worst people. and that seems to go by trump is doing is excess, is not competent in any way to be secretary defense. he would be even worse then from in terms of making this kind of arrangement. so is it possible? yes, but he would need different kind of people. what we see happening is that he's replacing
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firing all the premier civil servants who have not been following up and supporting his policies. so we see a across the board sweeping of firing of compet in people and he's going to replace them with these sick offense. and heidi logs and mag of people, and these are for the most part, not very confident people, even when it comes to china. he's been saying much more conciliatory things towards china. but look at the people he's bring in there. these are the china hawks, but tomorrow at primrose professor can guys make a suggestion here because america prides itself on being a democracy. and let's try that. some of his appointment choices, rather unorthodox, diplomatic, but you have a vibrant i can demick business and scientific community is the time for some
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of those people with not only with reputation, but we have to expertise to come forward and offer something not to rely only on the presidential office, but for example, on issues of you can dissolve them in the kitchen is ready to discuss with the trunk. you know, you have a lot of people knowledgeable people who can come forward and suggest something. yeah, absolutely. and most of them are very, very disappointed with what's happened so far. i know that i was given him the benefit of the doubt. i went on tucker across the show with oliver stone. you know, we talked about all the potential there is now, but even tucker carlson was very worried about the neo conservatives who a trump was pointing to because they know and we know that they're gonna get a try to persuade him not to do the better things that he was talking about being peace around the world,
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but they're going to try to persuade them to pursue the america 1st american hegemony. that agenda. and so yeah, there are good people. but when we look at trump's a nuclear policies during his 1st term in the office, that they're very, very disappointing. where they found 1st, the 1st discussion you have to put in said let's extend the new start treaty. trump puts down the phone and asked the people, what's the new star treated even though they get so on? it says, no, it's a bad treaty. we don't want to extend that and a pull the united states out of not only the new star treaty with your view. so extend. they're also the i n f treaty. and to me, to raise nuclear forces treaty, the helpless guys treaty, the jcp away the around nuclear deal with russia was instrumental in helping secure a trump. when he was told that a meeting that the us had dramatically lowered the nuclear arms, the number of nuclear arms we have from the peak and 91886 down to the numbers we
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have now from said i want to increase our nuclear arsenal. s i c o, frustration to repair a new president, but it's not our fault. the police say this, the best time around. i mean, this is the american society that point this person in the office and, you know, i, that's why i ask you, these brought a question before the, the, about the, you know, the personality of the president, reflecting the state of the society. and i've been, you know, sort of exploring the american approach to public relations for quite some time. i've cited in the united states and it always has not been fascinating, but scared me how much the americans are willing to take perception for reality. and there you even have a slogan, i think that goes back to one of ronald reagan's a political adviser saying that, that it's possible. but we, we know from scientific called me to side is that, you know, there is
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a consequence to it. and when people do that on the repeated basis, um, broadly within the society, and that leads to not only lots of touch with reality, but even in mild psych costs is having to go from what you have practiced. only in the most outrageous form, i would say that a lot of it has to do with the media. and that 1st that trunk voters tended to be low information voters, the less educated people as society. and they watch fox news and they listen to a lot of social media and they're getting a view of things. however, you have to remember that trump as a certain kind of performance. and by the end of his 1st administration, he was very unpopular. his approval ratings were quite low. people gotten tired of his stair to know when he ran for re election bite and beat him by 7000000
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candidate, 7000000 votes. by the end who was never a good candidate who would be 20 to be president for decades, was able to beat him by 7000000 voters because people are gotten so tired of him. and now they're seeing what they have forgotten. you know, the point one, the point you're making is that americans have very little memory as joe and live a former chinese premier. i said, why did it try me? things about the americans is i have absolutely no historical memory. people can't remember 4 hours ago. let alone 4 years ago, but now they're being reminded why they dislike donald trump so much. and the honeymoon that president scared when they come to office is going to be over very quickly. because he hasn't done anything to help his base base is voters who really do need help. they were hurt by installation. and what he's doing instead, they didn't want him to release the violent criminals from january 6th. the was
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a beat police officers and trump was too lazy to even do differentiate between the violent ones and the and violent ones. he said f it really small. you know, this is not what is based wanted, if you want to see something very, very different than what he's doing. at this point, i think the american people are going to be tired of it very quickly. and that within 2 years, the republicans are going to lose in both houses unless they separate themselves much more from this, these policies and push back. oh professor, cause the collab need taken issue with your point that it's primarily trumps low advocate and based that's fall for these kind of political and historical fibbs. i'm sure you saw a trunk recent post about and the russians supposedly housing the americans to win
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world war 2, losing 60000000 lives in the process. i'm sure you know the appear in the rush, or we see it in a totally different way that we were helped by the americans and we paid for it. you know, the land police wasn't free of charge, but my question is, why do you think this theme of world war to victory keeps resurfacing and why do you think it's not only a trump supporters but you know, respective students? i feel classes also seem to fall for it. yeah, this is not only americans, europeans, also in the surveys across europe, only 17 percent of the europeans surveyed, think that the russians played an important role in winning world war 2 in france was down to 70 percent of so my students are not outliers in that regard, the americans are taught that we one world war 2. the reality is, you know,
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and i know is that the russians were the ones who defeated nazi, germany of and that throughout most of the war, us in britain, phase 10 german divisions between us. while of russia face more than $200.00 german divisions, and so as churchill even admitted, it was the red army that tore the gods out of the german war machine. but in america, but the world doesn't learn much history, history is very politicized. and the americans learned american lives, the russians learn more history, but i learned a lot of russian is the chinese and jeff japan, oliver stutter. i. what we did are sticking to our in japan. we titled some of our talks in their article, he wrote us in japan partners in historical falsification. i see all the countries doing this and i think it's dangerous. and especially when it comes to
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talking about world war 2. if we don't learn the lessons of the past, we're going to repeat them. and then when you see eli and musk out there giving a fashion salute, mean how of so, how appalling was that to people in russia to see you on most giving a fashion salute to the drum circle. i think the image of the russian didn't take it as such, but the point you're making is that if it is just a form of ignorance or do you think it's perhaps a deliberate distortion? i'm talking about being what, what to victoria stuff. the distortion of history to prop up national identity and i think it's a combination of the 2. yeah. and that the right history wars and the government's support them. and they, they understand more than the public does. how important people's understanding of the past as for how they see the present. you know, we do live through the cold war, which was a horrible period in history. and now we're, again,
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we're closer to nuclear war now that we've been at any time since the cuban missile crisis, maybe the 1st then any time ever, which is why it's so important that the leaders of russia, china, the united states, india and others sit down and talk and figure out how to ease these tensions. this settled them peacefully through diplomacy as the on this uplifting point. let's leave it there. hopefully, uh somebody in some office real heroes and the see taking the advice from that. but thank you very much for being with us today. professor present. thank you for a lively discussion. and thank you for watching cold considering can on was a part the the
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if you think about russia, what does your mind it to the bottom landscapes open up before your eyes. the last one. just imagine the, the discount starts, the journey, the, the, you ready to come along the plus the see the silver. so the move up to somebody.
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how can it be that um the ship to the middle east from a country whose top officials constantly complain about shortages of munitions and military equipments is fairly low paying the boys. but in passing low green and moody elbow in your system and located in the us nominal facility or some of those other staff we, i'm about the easiest little so what us know, we have more of an easy somebody mobile bubble the sold will not be so kind and now why are weapons from ukraine spreading over the world? to turn this country into a major arms hub, will continue to boast, their ukraine's armed forces by rushing them a capabilities that they need to defend their country. the everyone knows very well that we don't sell but known as pineapples or any kind of children's toys. we sell women's. yes,
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we're also known in the world as homes dealers that we must not be ashamed of them . the breaking news on our t rush. interesting missiles are expected to any day now and by the roots, according to its presidents, hypersonic weapons or the international prominence after russia 1st used one to hit targets in ukraine in november. meanwhile, galleries choose as a leader, but even before any but lots were cast. western media was quick to call the vote fraudulent and the battle russian president, forceful a response. if i made a statement right now that i don't recognize the us selection and i don't recognize trump, would anything of america change? nothing. the main thing is that the election should be recognized by the citizens of the roof and south korean president. and since you.

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