is including military, alexandra hall from the show secretary of the republic security council said that's a minute. there was somebody dollars training for radicals is currently underway in ukraine. and the special sensor has also been set off in poland, 63 minutes in their task to capture the boarder regence of the laross with the help of the bill or russian extreme is that despite all efforts to undermine the election and deliveries it has taken place, and it looks like the country will stay on course, said by alexander, although shouldn't go who embarks on his 7 consecutive presidential, sir? yeah, i guess no, surprise roma considering the sentiment coming out of a western professional pasta. it's, you know, if anyone's a friend of lot it may prove it and it doesn't matter what they do. they're going to be bad. and i guess any election is going to because it, it, it legitimate, but it's just the way it goes with western narratives. these days of real my cause that ref always the pleasure. thank you. a whole, funnily enough posters in support of the better russian president but found lost it across the pots of boston in massachusetts. no idea who was plus 3 of these post to

deliver cycle across the northeast and city in america. but if we find out what's actually left, you know, for the meantime, this is on the line for moscow. thanks for joining us. the hello and welcome to cross stuff over in time peter lebeau. fuel politicians communicate like donald trump, his words can be easily interpreted in a number of different ways. for example, take ukraine, does the president have a real piece plan? well, he defy washington's traditional conventional wisdom. also, how terrified should your be of trump discuss these issues and more i'm joined by my guess towards samuel in budapest. he's a pod cast or the goggle,

which can be found on youtube and locals, and assemble. we have that leak several mon, he is a story and, and political commentator. alright gentlemen, crossed out girls in effect and use control anytime you want. and i always appreciate it. all right, let's start out with george in budapest, again, ukraine is forcibly being put on the agenda. no surprise. you know, trump said he was going to end and end of day. well, they didn't happen and it's not happening. i have to admit to both of you. um, initially i was not the latest, but i was, you know, they may some kind of confidence that, you know, tom says this war has to come to an end the, the blood shed over the last few days a, his encounter with media. he got a lot of facts wrong. a lot of numbers wrong is kind of embarrassing. um, but you know, it's just not a trump. uh, marco rubio, little marco, he says this war must come to an end. and the best of the good side of the ledger, george. but on the other side of the ledger,

i'm actually more pessimistic than i was before. trump was inaugurated because they're talking at each other. the 2 sides are talking at each other. they're not communicating at all. there's really actually no progress as modified. you can say that we're losing ground george. yes. can i go very well? the true pete to it comp. really simple is spent bowling. now he doesn't know what he's going to do. he's throwing things around and hoping that somehow, you know, something will stick, is clear that he wants this war to come to an end. he has no, no commitment at all to this more. he has no, any logical facility towards russia. he is, has no particular of the feelings of benevolence towards nato. he would like this to come to an end, but he doesn't really know how to do it. and so he's throwing things around,

hoping that somehow this will get him to the final destination. so he started talking about meeting with parents and so that's the, that's a range of a meeting with functions but may or may not happen. and then um, be looking for the past few days. he's been talking about the sanctions imposed a sanctions on russia. well, that isn't going to work, and that's, that's, that's been trying the buying them. those ration nato had been doing this is a day in day out. why, what, how, how can that get him anywhere? and the problem is that this, the spinal de la, whatever he has in mind, is clearly unacceptable to russia. and it's clear that the, what the women trump, himself, what, what, what nato is of u. k. or everyone else has in mind is we'll have a breeza. we're policies far in place. we'll have a breeze a and then we're going to use this

a breathing space to stop pushing in nature for us as we call them european peacekeepers. and we're going to continue, you will issue all sorts of guarantees the ukraine, meaning we're going to stop the whole thing up all over again in 5 years time. well that's, there's no way that's going to be acceptable to russia a lot till tom starts thinking in a different way. and then when we're not going to get any work and then it will be a failed presidency because he's going to, this is going to pre okey by him. um, throughout his term in office. yeah, it says the us, the man is warn him that he can turn into his vietnam today. but the problem is here is that we have a group think phenomena again in all of a western foreign policy circles. because all right, let's, let's take that face value and the term to and the conflict. but that's ending the

conflict in bringing peace are 2 different things. and this is one of the problems that we're facing because piece would mean security guarantees for all of the ending the conflict. well that's the korean peninsula solution and a variant of that. but it doesn't prove preclude the the possibility of a new complex is george. as well is describes so well here, i mean, in, not only is it a discursive narrative issue, it's a conceptual one. i mean, because at the end of the day, if you look carefully at what mark rubio, keith kelly, donald trump, and the rest of them, they're still looking for a to inflict a strategic the fee time rush at that means ending the war to them. that's the problem. headache. oh um. i actually left talking to

a few that i'm sincere because you are the only 2 people make me to be the optimist compares. so am i going to turn into a breaking news a f as a go ahead, but look, um, i agree with almost everything. both of you have said concerning alpha, but trump and his people are saying now is still about could possibly be acceptable to moscow. right? so i agree with you on the distance to, to be covered and how difficult that looks right. but i'm not ruling out the possibility that the distance will be covered. maybe in the sudden shock, surprisingly, but i think it could actually happen. but i think a key factor here is very strong, back to meet was 14, and what would happen during that meeting. but, but that is very important. if there is no meeting between the toner is obvious. if it doesn't happen, or if it's endlessly delayed,

but definitely won't be 9 total. if say it's going to be 10 relatively quickly. i think there's a serious chance the trump is icon or plastic enough to ultimately break these things that you have rightly refer to that are in the way. now lots of ways that you stood surrounded by people who are obviously feeding them by data policy advice, including ridiculous data on, for example, a whole week versus right. and this can mislead them. but they also know about him that he is perfectly capable of getting rid of people if he is tired of the advice to give him. because he wants to do something that's right, he has made up his mind. so i think this is that in spite of all the noise and incentive pay and biggest noises, he has recently made a townhouse in the infamous post team to treat it out on his own network on his own platform. despite all of these weird noises, i think the possibility that comes to big data before a site is to say, yeah, actually, now obvious thing, we've got

a lot of interference from all the people who want to hope that this won't happen, that they, they provide and that they can push them in exactly the opposite direction, right? he would think, oh, the biting people are just on tough enough and not going to show them more economic welfare more. i'm still very different is more profit systems. and then we're gonna bring this. but you know more i, i, i really don't trump is stupid enough to for, for this i think it's transparent, new play. and i don't think he wants that risk on his hand. and i think he sees the possibility of this dragging down his hold presidency as very ria. and then there's one more thing that i wouldn't under estimate, which is i know some people don't take the serious, but i think that's a little bit of talk. that's me, hear about him, blunting a 3rd term in spite of his age could be serious. and in spite of all the other constitutional obstacles to. and if trump is ceiling is due considering opening 5

use keeping the option of getting to a search term then wants to again look into that as long as i miss the. yeah, that's simply not going to happen. i mean, it's the, let's see, the mechanics of it are almost in survival to peter peter the stuff that so many times about from that it's not going to happen because in con, my kid, it happens when we break it. trump is a lot of things, but he's not superman casually up to what's happening and just say because in the end, the end of the techniques description who was kind of arguing our point is that you could say. and that's why in my input introduction, you can interpret his words in so many different ways. i made a deal, i made a gesture, you know, i reached out and he didn't, i received my hand shake. i have no choice. that's what i worry about dodge, don't worry about that too, because in his characterizations all of the world that he is

a presented since becoming president. and he seems to be blaming russia now. you know, he doesn't take a more realistic view of the war in the way. you know, most of nato does. but he does seem to say, well, the ukraine wants to deal zalinski wants to sit down and do, but he doesn't think that point in those on the, and he's talked about applying pressure against the russia. now, you know, he may change his view, but there's been nothing to suggest that he is ready to think outside the box this thing imagined at the less to what could bring this. what to and then praising the comforting place and say, hey, that's a great deal. let's just, let's just bring this more to an end and let's talk about economics and, you know, energy production and all of these, you know, building fantastic housing in, in moscow and whatever. that's not going to do the job. i mean, he is,

it's clear that the russians want to talk about a serious reorganization of the security in europe. he hasn't talked about that. he hasn't in any way expressed an understanding of, of the, like, the cause of this war. you know, why this happened was the nato expansion. he hasn't told when, instead of saying, boy, renal russia is not ready to do that, he's going to stop applying pressure against the same, formulates as a fail formula like way started quite correct. i would say, i know is i really feel that you are describing one side of the statements. that's what makes them so tricky. but this spring on the other side, he has famously said that the landscape has no angel either. and he has actually sat at some point that he understands the rest, some concern about major expense. and i think that's, that's actually pointing towards some understanding of one of the key causes of the

war. we've never seen the funds to buy and administration. so the signals from him that he is ready to think as you say, outside the box, the problem is not that they haven't come out, they have come, i'll do it, we can really find them in the record. now, the problem is that they're mixed up with all these contradictory signals that seem to be the opposite. but let me add one thing about what everybody and i was referred him to a us by then to a right to do that. which is that he has said that ukraine or the lensky, i'm ready to be. and now the question is, is about so and poor team, right? i think we have to be very careful about that statement. i know that the people who want the want to continue read it as saying all of if you claim everything, that's fine. but you could also read this as saying, i don't know the drum simply assume ukrainians for now take it to you. that's a very different reading, but that's also in the well, it doesn't necessarily mean that the requirement is

a fine. it means they don't have to accept this. yeah, but one of the problem is that only before we end this part of the program is that i'm still convinced the conversations an interest group conversation in washington in the foreign policy of there's no reaching out to the most get try the best one that they all right, we got to hold that thought, gotta hold that time gentlemen. we're going to go to a hard break. and after that are great. we'll continue our discussion on real estate with our to the the the, or the

the the welcome back to across the board and sign peter a little bell here. we discussed real news just before we went to the break. george was bursting with an idea, continued george. well, here's what i was going to say, is it? yes is the landscape will take in the deal, because this is not a bad deal for the landscape and you know,

especially for easily and the conflict in place. ukraine is getting a pounding, so it makes sense to freeze the conflict in place. and in the meantime, he's already getting all this talk from natal and well, issuing these guarantees. all we're going to give you is and then we're going to give you a security. these bilateral security deals, you know, you've got these deals from storm a is going from, from, from, so, and everything else. and those over talk, coming from the europeans in a microphone, in particular, oh, less thing should use european peacekeepers. so they all these stories that 5050800200000 piece capers. so for valencia said, okay, well, but i'll, i'll take that deal. and that's really the problem with the so when trump says, well i, you know, from what i'm hearing, zalinski is ready to do a deal. yeah. closer and ready to do a deal because we know exactly what the nato always has in mind. this is going to be in the mid $63.00. we're going to stop making preparations for restarting this

whole thing in 5 years time. but russia knows this. that's why it makes absolutely no sense for russia to go down this path and then deal with math. and that's why it was a little disappointing for the trump to say, oh fulton, i, i don't, i don't think pushing is ready to do a deal. no, it's not, i'm not ready to do a deal on pay stubs and, and we can hear, you know, when, when my uncle brought to at the, well, the can on a for him and, you know, he's speaking on behalf of nature. yeah. yeah. there we, we, we build a continue as before, keep wearing one weapon re into a ukraine and then hoping that things are going to change. so i, you know, i, i don't, don't agree with this. are you come up? i think trump is going to get us a ton know, i think the, you know, you, it will be done and then they'll be somebody else the and then every way, all the, and the special that a little bit in somebody already reply back to the gentleman he's thinking about his legacy, tony george brought up the votes and we had mark looters,

the head of nato, and donald trump addressing to very different quantities. there was very different agendas. i mean, again, trump ones do. and the complex both of you are right to point out what is ending. it really means that's not been answered here. this is a continuation of the blurring, this of the, or the lack of a or the intentional ambiguity of the bite in ministration. trump is getting caught in that, you know, it's early days. let's be fair. but you're getting caught in the door. okay. take disagrees with me. but, and you can disagree with me now, but, and comment about the difference between mark luther and donald trump and down those interesting venue for, to meant to be at. but, you know, look, if you break it down, you know, taking the funds of people from those pacific pay for monk road to end. and donald trump will be seeing and georgia is right about this. is that on the european side,

that my point is supposed to be across most of course, between the who pins and the last, right. even if he's origin from the netherlands, only are pee inside. they get the sort of couple of you, the shadow play right by the or pretending that they can go in alone. but if you was a really extricate that, so from the more then they either your opinions can take over on the, on. that's what they're doing. now that's a 100 the agreement with britain. that's what the story is, the defense minister and the term needs to pushing. that's what under the parable, because soon that's all my colleagues doing. obviously if i receive this and you are, but the question is how serious they should be, take it so the to on the 1000 that the landscape management davosto some ridiculous, even though the financial times associated anything you're saying is, isn't negotiated and tactic. i don't know this, but i think that it is not something visual to assume is going to come true because it's extremely hard to realize. and the people point to things like korea and k for they don't understand, the difference is the losses of k for about above $200.00. that is nothing. and

what many of them and accidents and non against regular troops. so if you said 40060000, you'll be in troops into your claim and they really and count as a russian army. people have losses and thousands against a regular army open nuclear on states completely and compared. but the same as the korean, same korean things based on a mutual defense, pat, going back to 1950 slate, know the trick about those american forces themselves grid as their classical trip i. when you attack those or get those involved and you do have as a whole american military, do your parents really want to put a trip bite into crime like that as the flimsy armies that suicide? now's e o. p. and so it's been extremely a russian to about policy making research is that's why i'm comfortable. and this thing out you can look at these people and say that's insane. so they won't do it is possible. is that the trip still try? but personally, i think it's a ploy it, it's,

and it's united states because the european so i'm very afraid that they, that seem to be called out of any negotiations just like the ukrainians. and i think it's aimed at domestic ukraine and politics. and it has to do, but single craniums of the grand government trying to mobilize is more people are down to h 18th. i think that is all behind this whole. if so the was going to happen. most of the time. this is all a day late in a buck short the way i look at it here. and george, i mean, the european has been according to tiny for some fascinating analysis, but may your opinions of based themselves in every single imaginal way. emma called diplomatically, and they don't have any pull the economically, their in decline was morally speaking, their bankrupt. okay. i mean, right. you're trying to high ball trump. i mean it's a full, is there a good job? that's exactly right. and that the triple i think is absolute right. then that's

what this, this plan to bring in peacekeepers is about the lead to keep peace, the serve as a trip. why? in order to soak a much logic conflict, then they know perfectly well that there's no way that they are repeating peacekeepers can possibly do anything against russia. and the whole point of the car part is to get the americans in. and actually, that's not something specific to your, i mean, the whiskey saying your opinion or the is a nato peacekeeping force corps, these friends, a towel in german, that they then the need to equation is very different, isn't it? well, it depends. i think it's a, if you are going to bring in french, german italians and the british, then it's like it is a nato far as i mean, he's not on the nato come on, but it, in effect, he's interested parties as the representatives of nato countries. article by the bad ones as well, but you know,

that's exactly what they going to try and do so either somehow that this of act as a triple wire. and it involves a brings in all think, all 5. it doesn't, of course, but that's the plan behind it. and that's why i think is the landscapes thing. yeah, yeah. yeah. let's, let's bring in the peacekeepers. that's. that's it. that's exactly what that's doing. so right kenneth, nothing peaceful about this. not at all. not at all. and that's why they are also calling that misstep realization for somebody that trying to make us tell them even peacekeepers. but, you know, here's the thing, but be off the question. is this activated optic of 5 in the future? right? but the real question behind this is, what would the russians and the americans think about that? that's the address some of those to decide. so the 1st question is, if most co says visa, that's true french towards durham and chose bridges, troops and i see them as natal. that's the end of the question, because that doesn't mean that a decision. montgomery respond as if tomato. and it would probably do that. and if

the americans, on the other hand on the trump say, you know what this does is really make to, that's up to you on your own. that will also be important. and that's my is this idea that they have a trip by have, which they can bring in the americans, is the deal of it, especially most of the americans won't come in trunk, leave some in the lurch. i mean, the must be able to save us. so the whole trip private would be just connecting back to the own u. p. and flimsy ost most of the armies. this advisors, especially suicide. but that's, that's exactly the point. yes, there isn't. as a peacekeeping force, then the only way you can happen is if the americans are involved, there's no other way. then it really with the only the americans can provide the logistics, the engineering currently might not instruction the signals and everything else. so that's what i like either if that happens, if it happens then um, uh, then it will be the americans involved. um, or some people will not take place. but this all the talk we, you know,

from macro and, and kia style. i'm a and and, and oh is, and this was a landscape is like talking about you were being a peacekeepers, but they know perfectly well that they're going to bring the americans involved. now, it's a till i probably, it isn't going to happen. but that's, that's where the, you know, the moving now when they with in the little this talk about, well, that's and negotiate something. well yeah, yeah, we'll both freeze the conflict in place and then we're bringing this and the circle piece game is i, i don't, it's not a plan that can work. i mean, i agree with the plan to get one, but that's, that's where i live in any place that to plan that can work because it's not keeping a piece that week. no, i mean basically i don't think, you know, disagreeing really costs we, we all agree that these plans of having no korean scenario of freezing in place in acceptable to russia. or i know this as far as you to and as long as the,

except russia, they won't happen that faith based on some of those. but where i slightly disagree with the both of you is that it's, i think it's possible that i'm the trump, the trump administration, might actually come a distance. and finally move to a position that marshall could actually agree with. right. i know it doesn't look like you right now, but i have to ask one question, what will be expect at this point in time? would you really expect at this point in time, then putting and trump haven't even met. but an organization is i don't know, 10, that is a goal or something, right? the trump is out there and give you most of for a clear picture and saying, i'm totally okay miss, i'm keeping the term tories they have. i'm also cave of paper trinity no need to ever, and i'm going to really those the, the whole security architects of your, of us, the russians that opening an offer that the oceans will take. i said, right,

yeah, but it's like i said it's no no martin and yeah, george, last about 40 seconds where nowhere near that? no right yet? no. and no in the lab and. and that's really the problem. i mean, it's true what, what eric said that trump has spoken in the past about the russian, the security of but you know, you know, he throws things around out, but he hasn't spoken up in those terms in the for, for quite some time. now. i mean i, i think led to the question is, if this doesn't take place, i think if, if list meeting between a boat and then from doesn't take place and at any time in the near future, then i think that it's not a good sign. i mean, i think the way you do have of a, if there is a reading that takes place very soon, it's no sign doesn't mean that the, what was going to come to right. what is it? those needs to be a good sign. so i can think of the 3 of us can figure it out. i can figure out how marco groups going to figure it out. okay. alright gentlemen,

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