the east, so we would see, we know that the bodies are nice, is replying or replying back to being the so, but also according to the agreement, the deployment of the bodies army is based on the withdrawal and of the is there any occupation forces? so they cannot blame the batteries on me because of again, based on the agreement, this is fight agreement. we have on these are the cannot be deployed on thursday. it was due. so the 1st thing is they have to do that anybody's on the, as he did in other places or villages. and besides, they wouldn't be deployed and then they would control the area and know if the interest situation continues. there will be conflicts of the clashes this far between the people of the village is the inhabitants of the villages, the people, the south and the is there any army, not his was the can i all right down the is really

a tax claims the lives of at least $24.00 civilians trying to return to their homes . and yet the id f is blaming the lebanese army, like you said, for violating the terms of the cease fire. oh, what do you interpret from this? just yeah, as i mentioned it we, we have to go back to the agreement says for agreement that agreement as the, as mentioned that the, the menus army cannot be deployed. and the under the, so in the villages. okay. point to the just before they went through a window of the, the, is there any occupation or the and is really okay, patient ard man, also according to the agreement, should the fix the 60 days to work through. so the basic idea here is the, uh, is that you aren't me, they are the ones who have to withdraw 1st in order for that. but these are need to go to step in and to a, it's on the floor of the security situation. but again, we have to understand or to go back to the is the human studies. we know that they

are trying as much as they can. we know for that they do not abide by international . and we know also that they were related to the international agreements this to me actually the weekend. so we have time, we can talk about this, like if they could do something now. and so i would want speed about how they they, they work or how they actually, i would like to go back to what is known as the big final fit. ation 1982 and live on. they leave each 5 and each ward and each conflicts most likely in a to with the bundle that they have the chance in order to apply part of cells to live on. and also a to establish a security. it behooves, as long as they know this one and they keep trying to edit this. so it goes by tuesday to do it sunday phase. i'm know they are trying to actually be

a benefit of the weaknesses of the eastern states. and also there's a cities of a political transition in the bottom and the same as usual, that they are respecting zillow and they look at his army as a matter of is need on this boards, they give themselves the logistics playstation, to stay in the bottom. and this is a way off whether late they are to give no magic a need at the international agreement. so what they are trying to do, based on the idea that they are defending themselves, they are trying to establish or to add to have this result that they want since day one and the ward, i guess we don't know to establish how i've heard this time. so the think names are based on. okay, and you're not. all right, we have to leave you here now. thank you. hi l hurry. could i make and research our media? and paula, thanks. thank you for your insight. thank you. all right,

that's the update. now we'll be back at the top of the all with most, most stories. thanks for staying with us by now. of the hello and welcome to cross stop boring time peter labelle, fuels, politicians communicate like donald trump. these words can be easily interpreted in a number of different ways. for example, take ukraine, does the president have a real piece plan? well, he defied washington's traditional conventional wisdom. also, how terrified should your be a trump discuss these issues and more. i'm joined by my guess towards samuel in budapest. he's a broadcast where the guy go, which can be found on youtube and locals and assemble. we have the leak serial mom . he is a story and, and political commentator, right, gentlemen, across that girls and the fact that news can jump anytime you want. and i always

appreciate it. all right, let's start out with george in budapest, again, ukraine is forcibly meetings, but on the agenda, no surprised them. trump said he was going to end and end of day. well, they didn't happen and it's not happening. i have to wait in mid to both of you. um, initially i was not the latest, but i was, you know, and they made some kind of confidence. they do, you know, tom says this war has to come to an end the, the blood shed over the last few days a, his encounter with media. he got a lot of facts wrong. a lot of numbers wrong is kind of embarrassing. um, but you know, it's just not trump marco rubio, a little marco, he says this war must come to an end. that sound the good side of the ledger, george. but on the other side of the ledger, i'm actually more pessimistic than i was before. trump was inaugurated because they're talking at each other. the 2 sides are talking at each other. they're not

communicating at all. there's really actually no progress. as matter of fact, you can say that we're losing ground george. yes. can i go very well? the true pete to it comp, really simple, is spent bowling. now he doesn't know what he's going to do. he's throwing things around and hoping that somehow goes. but something will state is clear that he wants this war to come to an end. he has no, no commitment at all to this war. he has no, any logical facility towards russia. he is, has no particular of the feelings of benevolence towards nato. he would like this to come to an end, but he doesn't really know how to do it. and so he's throwing things around, hoping that somehow this will get him to the final destination. so he started talking about meeting with parents. and so that's the, that's a range of

a meeting with functions, but may or may not happen. and then um, be looking for the past few days. he's been talking about sanctions imposed a sanctions on russia while that isn't going to work. and that's, that's, that's been trying the buying them. those ration nato had been doing this is a day in day out. why, what, how, how can that get him anywhere? and the problem is that this base plan or de la, whatever he has in mind is clearly unacceptable to russia. and it's clear that the, what the women trump himself, what, what, what nato is of u. k. or everyone else has in mind is we'll have a breeza. we're policies far in place. we'll have a breather, and then we're going to use this a breathing space to stop pushing in nato forces. we call them european peacekeepers and we're going to continue. we will issue all sorts of guarantees to

ukraine, meaning we're going to stop the whole thing up all over again in 5 years time. well that's, there's no way that's going to be acceptable to russia. and i'll tell tom starts thinking in a different way. so then what, and then we're not going to get any work and then it will be a failed presidency because these are going to be, this is going to pre okey by him. um, throughout his time in office. yeah, it says the speed man is warned him that he can turn into his vietnam totally. but the problem is here is that we have a group think phenomena again in or western foreign policy circles because all right, let's, let's take that face value and the turn to and the conflict. but that's ending the conflict in bringing peace are 2 different things. and this is one of the problems that we're facing because piece would mean security guarantees for all of the

ending the conflict. well, that's the korean peninsula solution and a variant of that, but it doesn't prove preclude the, the possibility of a new complex is george as well as describes so well here. i mean, in, not only is it a discursive narrative issue, it's a conceptual one. i mean, because at the end of the day, if you look carefully at what mark rubio, keith kelly, donald trump, and the rest of them, they're still looking for a to inflict a strategic to fee time rush up. that means ending the war to them. that's the problem, teddy. well, um, i actually love talking to you and i'm sincere because you are the only 2 people make me to be the optimist. i think compares. so look, am i, i was going to turn into a breaking news episode. go ahead about. but look, um,

i agree with almost everything both of you have said concerning alpha, but trump and his people are saying now is still about could possibly be acceptable to moscow. right. so i agree with you on the distance to, to be covered and how difficult that looks right. but i'm not ruling out the possibility that the distance move because it may be in the sudden shock surprisingly. but i think it could actually happen. but i think the key factor here is very strong back to me, it was 14. and what would happen during the meeting, the that is very important. if there is no meeting between the tools as obvious, if it doesn't happen, or if it's endlessly delayed, but definitely won't be 9 total. it's going to be 10 relatively quickly. i think there's a serious chance the trump is icon or plastic enough to ultimately break these things that you have rightly refer to that are in the way. now i also believe that

he's still surrounded by the people who are obviously feeding him by data policy advice, including ridiculous data on, for example, home recross size, right. and this can mislead him. but they also know about him that he is perfectly capable of getting rid of paper if he is tired of the advice to give him. because he wants to do something that's right, he has made up his mind. so i think this is the, in spite of all the noise is the am biggest noise as he has raised inmate at donahoe's in the infamous post team to treat it out on his own network on his own platform. despite all of these weird noises, i think the possibility that comes to big data before a site is to say, yeah, actually, now obvious thing, we've got a lot of interference from all the people who want to hope that this won't happen, that they provide and that they can push them in exactly the opposite direction, right. he would think, oh,

the biting people are just on tough enough and not going to show them more economic welfare more. i'm still very different, even more profit systems. and then we're going to have been this. but you know more i, i, i really don't trump is stupid enough to for, for this. i think it's transferring me play. and i don't think he wants that risk on his hand. and i think he sees the possibility of this dragging down his hold presidency as very ria. and then there's one more thing that i wouldn't under estimate, which is i know some people don't take the serious, but i think that's a little bit of talk that media about him bunting. a 3rd term in spite of his age could be serious. and in spite of all the other constitutional obstacles to, and if trump is ceiling is due considering opening argues, keeping the option of getting to a search term. and then once again, look into that, that one is our new mistake here. that's simply not going to happen any new job the,

let's see. but the mechanics of it are almost in survival to peter. peter, we've got so many times about from that it's not going to happen because in con, my kid, it happens when we break. the trump is a lot of things, but he's not superman treasury up to what's happening and to say, because in the end, the end of the techniques description who was kind of arguing our point is that you could say, and that's why and my input introduction, you can interpret his words in so many different ways. i made a deal, i made a gesture, you know, i reached out and he didn't, i received my handshake. i have no choice. that's what i worry about dodge, don't worry about that too. because in his characterizations all of the world that's he is a presented since becoming president, and he seems to be blaming russia. now. you know, he doesn't take

a more realistic view of the war in the way. you know, most of nato does, but he does seem to say, well, ukraine wants to deal zalinski wants to sit down to do, but he doesn't think the tolten does. and he's talked about applying pressure against the russia. now, you know, you may change his view, but there's been nothing to suggest that he is ready to think outside the box this thing imagined at the less to what could bring this one to and then praising the conflict in place and say, hey, that's a great deal, let's just, let's just bring this more to an end and let's talk about economics and the energy production and all of these, you know, building fantastic housing in, in moscow and whatever. that's not going to do the job. i mean, he is, it's clear that the russians want to talk about a serious reorganization of the security in europe. he hasn't talked about that. he

hasn't in any way to express some understanding of, of the, of the cause of this war. you know, why this happened was the nato expansion. he hasn't told when, instead of saying, boy, you know, russia is not ready to deal, then he's going to stop applying pressure against the same, formulates as a fail formula, liked wayside quite correct. i'd say, i know is i really feel that you're describing one side of his statements. that's what makes them so tricky. but last spring on the other side, he has famously said that the landscape has no angel eyes. and he has actually said at some point that he understands the rest, some concern about natal expense. and i think that's, that's actually pointing towards some understanding of one of the key causes of the war. we've never seen the funds or by and administration. so the signals from him that he is ready to think as you say, outside the box,

the problem is not that they haven't come out, they have come out, do we can really find them in the record. now, the problem is that they're mixed up with all these contradictory signals that seem to be the opposite. but let me add one thing about what everybody and i always refer them to and us by then to a right to do that. which is that he has said that ukraine or the lensky, i'm ready to be, and i was across. this is about so and poor team, right. i think we have to be very careful about that statement. i know that the people who want the board to continue read it as saying all of if you cry and everything is fine. but you could also read this as saying, i don't know the drum simply assume ukrainians for now take that the, that's a very different reading. but that's also in that. it doesn't necessarily mean the crime is a fine. it means they will have to accept this. yeah, but one of the problems that i'm going before we end this part of the program is that i'm still convinced the conversations and intra group conversation in

washington and the foreign policy of there's no reaching out to the most get try the best one that they all right, you hear me gotta hold that thought, gotta hold that time gentlemen. we're going to go to a hard break and after that are great. we'll continue our discussion on we'll new stay with our to the the welcome back to across the board and sign peter a little bell here. we discussed real news just before we went to the break. george was bursting with an idea, continued george. well, it is, uh, what i was going to say is it, yes is, is the landscape will take in the deal because this is not a bad deal for the last,

you know, especially the phrase, the, the conflict in place. ukraine is getting a pounding, so it makes sense to freeze the conflict in place. and in the meantime, he's already getting all this talk from may to end. well, issuing these guarantees all we're going to give you is, and then we're going to give you a security, these bilateral security deals in the you've got these deals from storm a, is it going from from, from so, and everything else and the over tool coming from the europeans in a microphone in particular. oh, listening to use europe in peacekeepers. so they all these stories left. 50800200000 piece capers. so for valencia said, okay, well, but i'll, i'll take that deal. and that's really the problem with the so when trump says, well i, you know, from what i'm hearing, zalinski is ready to do a deal. yeah. closer and ready to do a deal because we know exactly what the nato always has in mind. this is going to

be in the middle school 3. we're going to stop making preparations for restarting this whole thing in 5 years time. but russia knows this. that's why it makes absolutely no sense for russia to go down this path and then deal with math. and that's why it was a little disappointing for the trump to say, oh, didn't i? i don't, i don't think bush is ready to do a deal. no, it's not, i'm not ready to do a deal on these to the end and we can hear, you know, when, when monica brought to add the, well, they can on a forum and, you know, he's speaking on behalf of nature. yeah. yeah. then we, we, we go to continue as before, keep wearing one weaponry into a ukraine and then hoping that things are going to change. so i, you know, i, i don't, don't agree with. it's are, you can live, i think trump is going to get us tons know, i think the, you know, you, it will be done and then they'll be somebody else the and then every way i the, and the special that a little bit in somebody already reflective gentleman,

he's thinking about his legacy. tony george brought up the votes and we had mark roots are the head of nato, and donald trump addressing them to very different uh, quantities there was very different agendas. i mean, again, trump ones do. and the complex both of you were right to point out what is ending. it really means that's not been answered here. this is a continuation of the blurring, this of the, or the lack of a or the intentional ambiguity of the bite and ministration. trump is getting caught in that, you know, it's early days that to be fair, but you're getting caught in the door. okay. take disagrees with me. but, and you can disagree with me now, but, and comment about the difference between mark luther and donald trump and down those interesting venue for, to meant to be a or well, you know, look, if you break it down, you know, take it away from the people from those pacific people, monk, router and,

and donald trump will be seeing and georgia is right about this. is that on the european side? and my point is this vehicle that's known as, of course, between the pins and the last, right. even if he's origin from the netherlands, only are pee inside. they get to sort of come book you the shadow play right by the all pretending that they can go and alone. but if you was a really extra case that so from the war, then very the europeans can take over on the on. that's what they're doing. now, that's a 100 the agreement with britain. that's what the story was. the defense minister and the attorneys to pushing that's what other than available is doing. that's all across doing obviously, right? you see this and you are, but the question is how serious they should be. take it. so the, to on the 1000 that landscape management davosto, some ridiculous, even the financial times or anything you're saying is, isn't negotiated in tactic. i don't know this, but i think that is not something visual to assume is going to come true because it's extreme now to realize and the people who point to things like career yeah,

and k for they don't understand the differences the losses of k for about above $200.00, that is nothing and many of them and accidents, and non against regular troops. so if you send 40060000, you know, being troops into your claim and they really and count as a russian army, people have losses and thousands against a regular army open nuclear on states completely and compared. but i'm saying that's the koreans thing. korean things based on a mutual defense, pat, going back to 1950 slate. now, the trick about those american forces themselves greer, is their classical trip. i, when you attack those or get those involved and you do have as a whole american military, the europeans really want to put a trip via into crime like that. my friend was the armies that suicide. now's e o. p. and so it's been extremely a russian to about policy making. we see these that's why i'm comfortable. and this thing out, you can look at these people and say that's i'm saying. so live on to it is

possible that the trip still try. but personally, i think it's a ploy it is, and it's united states because your opinions are very afraid that the bad thing would be called out of any negotiations just like the ukrainians. and i think it's aimed at domestic ukraine and politics. and it has to do with seo craniums of the korean government, trying to mobilize is more people down to h 18th. i think that is all behind this whole it's so the was gonna happen. most of the time. this is all a day late in a buck short and the way i look at it here. and george, i mean, the european has been according to tiny for some fascinating analysis, but may your opinions of the based themselves in every single imaginal way. emma called lane, they don't have any pull. the economically they're in declined was morally speaking their bank wrapped. okay. i mean, right. you're trying to highball trump. i mean it's

a fools error. okay. so that's exactly right. and that the triple, i think is absolute right. then that's what this, this plan to bring in peacekeepers is about the vent on the key piece that to serve as a trip. why? in order to soak a much larger conflict, then they know perfectly well that there's no way that they did. the european peacekeepers can possibly do anything against russia, and the whole point of the car part is to get the americans in. and actually the something specific here. i mean, you can always keep saying your opinion or the is a nato peacekeeping force corps. these friends, a towel in german, that they live in the nato equation is very different, isn't it? well, it depends. i think it's a, if you are going to bring in french german italians and the british, then it's like it is a native. of course. i mean, it's not on the nato come on, but it, in effect, he's interested party is the representatives of nato countries article by the bad

ones as up. and you know, that's exactly when they going to try and do so either somehow that this of act as a triple our and it involves a brings in all of that goal 5, it doesn't disclose, but that's the plan behind it. and that's why i think zalinski is saying, yeah, yeah, yeah, let's, let's bring in the peacekeepers. that's. that's it. that's exactly what they're doing. so right kenneth, loving peaceful about this. not at all. not at all. and that's why they also calling that misstep realization for somebody that trying to make this term even peacekeepers but, you know, use the same, but be off the question. is this activating the optic of 5 in the future? right? the real question behind this is, what would the russians and the americans think about that? that's the trust in those to decide. so the 1st question is, if most ago says these are, that's true french tubes to them and chose bridges, troops and i see them as natal. that's the end of the question, because that doesn't mean that a decision must copy,

respond as if tomato. and it would probably do that, and if the americans, on the other hand on the trump say, you know what, this isn't really made to you on your own, that will also be important. and that's why this idea that they have a trip by have, which they can bring in the americans, is a deal of it, especially most of the americans won't come in term food, leaves them into lunch. i mean, they must be able to save us. so the whole trip drive and would be just connecting back to the own u. p. and flimsy ost most of the armies. this advisors, especially suicide. but that's, that's exactly the point. yes, there is this a peacekeeping force. then the only way you can happen is if the americans are involved, there's no other way. then it really with the only the americans can provide the logistics in the engineering currently, right? not instruction the signals and everything else. so that's what i like either to happens if it happens then. um,

uh then it will be the americans involved. um or some people will not take place, but this all the talk well you know, from macro and, and kia style, i'm a and and, and oh is, and the photos of landscape is like talking about you were being a peacekeepers, but they know perfectly well then they going to bring the americans involved. now it's a tim, i probably, it isn't going to happen, but that's, that's where the, you know, the moving now when they with in the little this talk about, well that's the goal shade something. well yeah, yeah, we'll both freeze the conflict in place and then we're bringing this and the circle piece came is i, i don't, it's not a plan that can work. i mean, i really don't plan to get one, but that's, that's where i live in any way that to plan that can work because it's not keeping a piece that, you know, i mean, basically i don't think, you know, disagreeing really costs we, we all agree that these plans of having no korean scenario of freezing and plays in

acceptable to russia. i know this as well as usual, and as long as the, except to go to russia, they won't happen that faith based on a solution. but we're, i site to disagree with the both of you is that it's, i think it's possible that i'm the trump, the trump administration might actually cover the distance. and finally move to a position that marshall could actually agree with. right. i know it doesn't look like you right now, but i have to ask my question, what will be expect at this point in time? would you really expect at this point in time importing and from haven't even met? but an organization is i don't know, 10, that is a goal or something, right? the trump is out there and give us a for a clear picture and saying, i'm totally okay miss, i'm keeping the terms tories they have. i'm also kind of going to try to do no need to ever, and i'm going to really those the, the whole security architects of your post,

the russians that would bring an offer that the oceans will take. i said, right, yeah, but it was no, no more than just george last about 40 seconds. what were nowhere near that? not right. yet? no window in the left and, and that's really the problem. i mean, it's true what, what eric said that trump has spoken in the past about the russian security. but, you know, you know, he throws things around out, but he hasn't spoken up in those terms in the for, for quite some time though. i mean, i, i think led to the question then is, if this doesn't take place, i think if, if let's meeting between a boat and then from doesn't take place at any time in the near future. then i think that it's not a good sign. i mean, i think the way you do have of a, if there is a reading that takes place very soon, it's no sign doesn't mean that the, what was going to come to, right. it'll be a good sign. all i can say is that the 3 of us can figure it out. i can figure out

how marco groups going to figure it out. okay. alright gentlemen, that's all the time. we have one thing, my guess and assemble in budapest. and of course, what i think would be worse for watching us here are to see you next time. remember across the was the quote, right handed into poll says it's busted a large scale ukrainian led you criminal network set to be using the color of the cheese to carry out its illegal activities. the a running for the allies. loopholes lead fighting into a democratic republic of congo as.