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can the hello and welcome to prospect boring time peter lavelle, fuels politicians communicate like donald trump. his words can be easily interpreted in a number of different ways. for example, take ukraine, does the president have a real piece plan? well, he defied washington's traditional conventional wisdom. also. how terrified should your a be a trump discuss these issues and more i'm joined by my guess towards samuel in budapest. he's a broadcast where the guy go, which can be found on youtube and locals, and assemble. we have the leak serial not. he is a story and, and political commentator. alright gentlemen, crossed out girls in effect that news can jump anytime you want. and i always

appreciate it. all right, let's start out with george in budapest, again, ukraine is forcibly meetings, but on the agenda, no surprised them. trump said he was going to end and end of day. well, they didn't happen and it's not happening. i have to wait in mid to both of you. um, initially i was not the latest, but i was, you know, and they made some kind of confidence. they do, you know, tom says this war has to come to an end the, the blood shed over the last few days a, his encounter with media. he got a lot of facts wrong. a lot of numbers wrong is kind of embarrassing. um, but you know, it's just not trump marco rubio, a little marco, he says this war must come to an end. that sound a good side of the ledger george. but on the other side of the ledger, i'm actually more pessimistic than i was before. trump was inaugurated because they're talking at each other. the 2 sides are talking at each other. they're not

communicating at all. there's really actually no progress. as a matter of fact, you can say that we're losing round george. yes. can i go very well? the true pete to it comp, really simple, is spent bowling. now he doesn't know what he's going to do. he's throwing things around and hoping that somehow, you know, something will state is clear that he wants this war to come to an end. he has no, no commitment at all to this more. he has no, any logical facility towards russia. he is, has no particular of the feelings of benevolence towards nato. he would like this to come to an end, but he doesn't really know how to do it. and so he's throwing things around, hoping that somehow this will get him to the final destination. so he started talking about meeting with parents. and so that's the, that's a range of

a meeting with functions, but may or may not happen. and then um, in the past few days, he's been talking about the sanctions imposing sanctions on russia. well, that isn't going to work. and that's, that's, that's been trying to bind them is ration. nato had been doing this just a day in day out. why, what, how, how can that get him anywhere? and the problem is that this, the spinal de la, whatever he has in mind is clearly unacceptable to russia. and it's clear that the, what the women trump, himself, what, what, what nato is of u. k. or everyone else has in mind is we'll have a breeza. we're policies far in place. we'll have a breather. and then we're going to use this a breathing space to stop pushing in nato forces. we call them european peacekeepers and we're going to continue. we will issue all sorts of guarantees the

ukraine, meaning we're going to stop the whole thing up all over again in 5 years time. well that's, there's no way that's going to be acceptable to russia, a lot to tom's thoughts thinking in a different way. so then what, and then we're not going to get any work and then it will be a failed presidency because he's going to be, this is going to pre okey by him. um, throughout his time in office. yeah, it says the, the man is warned him that he can turn into his vietnam totally. but the problem is here, is that we have a group think phenomena again in all of a western foreign policy circles because all right, let's, let's take that face value and the turn to and the conflict. but that's ending the conflict in bringing peace are 2 different things and this is one of the problems that we're facing because piece would mean security guarantees for all of the

ending the conflict. well that's the korean peninsula solution. i'm a variant of that, but it doesn't prove preclude the. the possibility of a new complex is george as well as describes so well here. i mean, in, not only is it a discursive narrative issue, it's a conceptual one. i mean, because at the end of the day, if you look carefully at what mark rubio, keith kelly, donald trump, and the rest of them, they're still looking for a to inflict a strategic the fee time rush at that means ending the war to them. that's the problem. headache. i'm actually left talking to a few and i'm sincere because you are the only 2 people make me to be the optimist compares so look at them i. i was going to turn into a breaking news episode. go ahead about but look,

um i agree with almost everything. most of you have said concerning alpha, but trump and his people are saying now is still about could possibly be acceptable to moscow. right. so i agree with you on a distance to, to be covered and how difficult that looks right. but i'm not ruling out the possibility that the distance move because it may be in the sudden shock surprisingly, but i think it could actually happen. um, i think the key factor here is very strong back to me it was 14. and what would happen during the meeting the that is very important. if there is no meeting between the tools as obvious, if it doesn't happen, or if it's endlessly delayed, but definitely won't be until the war. dave says, i'm beaten relatively quickly. i think there's a serious chance. the trump is icon or plastic enough to ultimately break these things that you have, right?

we refer to that in the way. now i also believe that he's still surrounded by the people who are obviously feeding them by data policy advice, including ridiculous data on, for example, the whole week process, right. and this can mislead them. but they also know about him that he is perfectly capable of getting rid of people if he is tired of the advice to give him. because he wants to do something that's right, he has made up his mind. so i think this is the, in spite of all the noise is and the am big is noises. he has recently made a townhouse in the infamous post team to treat it out on his own network on his own platform. despite all of these weird noises, i think the possibility that comes to big day with our site is to say, yeah, actually, now up in steve, you got a lot of interference from all the people who move on to hope that this won't happen. that they, they provide and that they can push them in exactly the opposite direction. right.

he would think, oh, the biting people are just on tough enough and not going to show them more economic welfare more. i'm still the abilities different, even more profit systems. and then we're going to have been this, but you know more i, i, i really don't trump is stupid enough to for, for this. i think it's transferring me play. and i don't think he wants that risk on his hand. and i think he sees the possibility of this dragging down his hold presidency as very ria. and then there's one more thing that i wouldn't under estimate, which is i know some people don't take the serious, but i think that's a little bit of talk. that means you hear about him, bunting. a 3rd term in spite of his age could be serious. and in spite of all the other constitutional obstacles to end of the trump is ceiling is due considering open, but he's keeping the option of getting to a search term. and then once again, look into that, that one is a mistake here. that's simply not going to happen. i mean, it's all the, let's see,

but the mechanics of it are almost in survival to peter. peter, we've got so many times about from that it's not going to happen because in con, my kid, it happens when we break. the trump is a lot of things, but he's not superman charge react to it. and to say, because in the end, the end of the techniques description who was kind of arguing our point is that you could say, and that's why and my input introduction, you can interpret his words and so many different ways. i made a deal. i made a gesture, you know, i reached out and he didn't receive my handshake. i have no choice. that's what i worry about charge. don't worry about that too. because in his characterizations all over the world that he is a presented since becoming president. and he seems to be blaming russia now, you know, he doesn't take

a more realistic view of the war in the way. you know, most of nato does, but he does seem to say, well, ukraine wants to deal zalinski wants to sit down to do. but he doesn't think the compton does on the, and he's talked about applying pressure against the russia. now, you, you know, you may change his view, but there's been nothing to suggest that he is ready to think outside the box this thing imagined at the less to what could bring this one to and then freezing the conflicting place and say, hey, that's a great deal, let's just, let's just bring this more to an end and let's talk about economics and the energy production and all of these, you know, building fantastic housing in, in moscow and whatever. that's not going to do the job. i mean, he is, it's clear that the russians want to talk about a serious reorganization of the security in europe. he hasn't talked about that. he

hasn't in any way to express understanding the, the, the cause of this war. you know, why this happened was the nato expansion, he hasn't told when, instead of saying, but right reno, russia is not ready to deal. then he's going to stop applying pressure against the same, formulates as a fail formula, liked way started quite correct. i would say, i know cause i really feel that you were describing one side of the statements. that's what makes them so tricky. but last spring on the other side, he has famously said that the landscape is no angel either. and he has actually said at some point that he understands the rest, some concern about natal expense. and i think that's, that's actually pointing to what some understanding of one of the key causes of the war. we've never seen the funds a by and administration. so the signals from him that he is ready to think as you say, outside the box, the problem is not that they haven't come out,

they have come, i'll do it, we can really find them in the record. now, the problem is that they're mixed up with all these contradictory saying that that seem to be the opposite. but let me add one thing about what everybody and i always refer them to and us by then to a right to do that. which is that he has said that ukraine or the lensky, i'm ready to be, and i was across. this is about so and 14, right. i think we have to be very careful about that statement. i know that the people who want the war to continue read it as saying all of if you cry and everything was fine. but you could also read this as saying, i don't know the drum simply assume ukrainians for now take that the, that's a very different reading, but that's also in the well, it doesn't necessarily mean the requirement is a fine. it means they would have to accept this. yeah, but one of the problem is that only before we end this part of the program is that i'm still convinced the conversations and intra group conversation in washington

and the foreign policy up. there's no reaching out to the most get try the best one that they all right. you hear me gotta hold that thought, gotta hold that time gentlemen. we're going to go to a hard break. and after that are great. we'll continue our discussion on we'll new stay with our to the, to take a fresh look around as a life kaleidoscopic isn't just a shifted reality distortion by power type vision with no real opinions. fixtures, design to simplify will confuse really once a better world, and is it just as a chosen few fractured images presented to this,

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welcome back to across the board and sign. peter little bell. here we discuss. we'll news just before we went to the break. george was bursting with an idea. continue, george. well here's what i was going to say. is it? yes is, is the landscape will take in the deal because this is not a bad deal, falls and landscape and you know, especially a phrase they are the conflict in place. ukraine is getting a pounding, so it makes sense to freeze the conflict in place. and in the meantime, he's already getting all this talk from may to end. well, issuing these guarantees, all we're going to give you is, and then we're going to give you a secure data is bilateral security deals. you know, it's got these deals from storm a is getting from, from, from so, and everything else and the over tool coming from the europeans in

a microphone in particular. ok, let's introduce europe and peacekeepers. so they all these stories that 5050800200000 piece capers facilities. okay, well i'll take that deal and that's really the problem with the so when trump says, well i, you know, from what i'm hearing, zalinski is ready to do a deal. yeah. closer and ready to do a deal because we know exactly what the nature always has in mind. this is going to be in the midst 3. we're going to start making preparations for restarting this whole thing in 5 years time. but russia knows this. that's why it makes absolutely no sense for russia to go down this path and then deal with math. and that's why it was a little disappointing for the trump to say, oh, put in i, i don't, i don't think pushing is ready to do a deal. know is not, i'm not ready to do a deal on these to the end and we can hear, you know, when, when monica brought to at the, well, they can on a forum and, you know, he's speaking on behalf of nature. yeah. yeah. then we, we, we build

a continue as before, keep pouring it along, weaponry into a ukraine and then hoping that things are going to transfer. and, you know, i, i don't, don't agree with. it's are, you can live, i think trump is going to get us a ton. so i think the, you know, you, it will be done. and then they'll be somebody else the and then every way i the, and the patient that a little bit in the somebody already reflected the gentleman, he's thinking about his legacy. tony george brought up the votes and we had my computer. they had of nato. and donald trump addressing to very different quantities, there was very different agendas. i mean, again, trump ones do in the complex. both of you are right to point out when is ending, it really means that's not been answered here. this is a continuation of the blurring. this of the, or the lack of a or the intentional ambiguity of the bite in ministration. trump is getting caught

in that, you know, it's early days that to be fair, but keep getting caught in to georgia. okay, take disagrees with me. but, and you can disagree with me now that and comment about the differences between mark luther and donald trump and down those and interesting venue for to meant to be at of but, you know, look, if you break it down, you know, take it away from the people from those pacific people, monk, router and, and donald trump will be seeing and thoughts as right about this. is that on the european side? and my point is this vehicle that's known as, of course, between the pins and the last, right. even if he's origin from the netherlands, only are pee inside. they get to sort of come book you the shadow play right by the all pretending that they can go it alone. but if you was a really extra case, it's so from the more then very easily your opinions can take over on the on that's what they're doing. now, that's a 100 the agreement with britain. that's for me to start to use the defense minister and attorneys to pushing that's what other than available because doing

desktop across to him. obviously if i receive this and you are, but the question is how serious they should be. take it, so the to on the 1000, that's a, that's commencement davosto. some ridiculous, even the financial times. anything you're saying is isn't negotiate in tactic. i don't know this, but i think that is not something visual to assume is going to come true because it's extreme now to realize and the people who point to things like career yeah, and k for they don't understand the differences the losses of k for about above to handle it, there is nothing and many of them and accidents, and non against regular troops. so if you said 40060000, you know, being troops into your claim and they really and count as a russian army, people have losses and thousands against a regular army open nuclear on states completely and compared, but the same as the koreans thing korean things based on a mutual defense, pat, going back to 1950 slate. now the trick about those american forces in south korea

is their classical trip. i. when you attack those or get those involved and you do have as a whole american military, do your parents really want to put a trip via into crime like that as a friend? was the always that suicide. now that you p and so it's been extremely a russian to about policy making recently. that's why i'm comfortable and this thing out and kind of look at these people and say that's insane. so they won't do it as possible as events still try. but personally, i think it's a ploy it, it's aimed at united states because of your opinions. i'm very afraid that the bad thing with the cops out of any negotiations just like the ukrainians. and i think it's aimed at domestic ukraine and politics. and it has to do, but single craniums of the crane government trying to mobilize is more people down to h 18th. i think that is all behind this whole. if so the was going to happen. most of the time. this is all a day late in

a buck short the way i look at it here. and george, i mean, the european has been according to tiny for some fascinating analysis, but now your opinions of the based themselves in every single imaginal way m e green. they don't have any pull the economically, they're in decline, morally speaking, they're bankrupt. okay. i mean, right. you're trying to highball trump. i mean, it's a full sierras. okay, so that's exactly right. and that the triple, i think is absolute right. then that's what this, this plan to bring in peacekeepers is about the vent on that to key piece that to serve as a trip. why? in order to soak a much larger conflict, then they know perfectly well that there's no way that they, the european peacekeepers can possibly do anything against russia. and the whole point of the trip part is to get the americans in. and actually that's not something specific here. i mean, you can always keep saying your opinion or the as

a nato peacekeeping force corps, these friends, a towel in german, that they live in. the nato equation is very different, isn't it? well, it all depends. i think it's a, if you are going to bring in french, german italians and the british, then it's like it is a nato far as i mean, he's not on the nato come on, but he's in effect. he's a interest party and the representatives of nato countries article by the bad ones as well. so that's exactly when they going to try and do so. i have to somehow that this of act as a triple our and it involves a brings in all, i think, all 5, it doesn't, of course, but that's the plan behind it. and that's why i think zalinski is and yeah, yeah, yeah let's, let's bring in the peacekeepers. that's. that's it. that's exactly what that's doing. so right kenneth, loving peaceful about this. not at all. not at all. and that's why they also calling them of stabilization for somebody that trying to made this term, even peacekeepers. but you know, here's the thing,

but be off the question. is this activating the optic of 5 in the future? right? the real question behind this is, what would the russians and the americans think about that? that's the address from those to decide. so the 1st question is, if most ago says these are, that's true french tubes to them, untruths, bridges, troops, and i see them as natal. that's the end of the question because that that means a decision must copy, respond as if tomato. and it would probably do that, and if the americans, on the other hand on the trump say, you know what, really like to see you on your own, that will also be important. and that's why this idea that they have a trip by have, which they can bring in the americans, is a deal of it, especially most of the americans won't come in tom for believe. so i'm in the lurch . i mean, there must be able to save us. so the whole trip arvin would be just connecting back to the own u. p. and flimsy ost most of the armies. this advisors,

especially suicide. but that's, that's exactly the point. yes, there isn't. as a peacekeeping force, then the only way you can happen is if the americans are involved, there's no other way. then it really would be only the americans can provide the logistics in the engineering cause we might not instructions signals and everything else. so that's what i like either to happens if it happens then. um, uh then it will be the americans involved. um, or as some people will know it takes place. but this all the talk, well, you know, from macro and, and kill style. i'm a and and, and oh is, and the landscape is like talking about if you were being a peacekeepers but they know perfectly well, i think going to bring up the americans invo. now it's a, till i probably, it isn't going to happen. but that's, that's where the, you know, the moving now when they with in the little this talk about, well that's the goal shade something. well, yeah, yeah, we'll both freeze the conflict in place. and then we're bringing this and the

circle piece came is i, i don't, it's not a plan that can work. i mean, i agree with the plan to get one, but that's, that's where i live in any way that to plan that can work because it's not keeping a piece that, you know, i mean, basically, i don't think, you know, disagreeing ready because we, we all agree that these plans of having no korean scenario of freezing and plays in acceptable to russia. or i know this as far as you to and as long as the in the acceptable to russia, they won't happen that faith based on a solution. but where i thought you disagree with the both of you is that it's, i think it's possible that i'm the trump, the trump administration, might actually cover the distance. and finally move to a position that marshall could actually agree with. right. i know it doesn't look like you right now, but i have to ask one question, what will be expect at this point in time?

would you really expect at this point in time importing and from haven't even met? but an integration is, i don't know, 10, that is a goal or something, right? but trump is out there and give you a muscle for a clear picture and saying, i'm totally okay miss, i'm keeping the term tories they have. i'm also kind of comp, paper trying to do no need to ever, and i'm going to really those the, the whole security architects of your post, the russians that would bring an offer that the oceans will take. i said, right, yeah, but it's the snow. no more than dead george last about 40 seconds, but we're nowhere near that. no. right yet? no, no, in the lab. and. and that's really the problem. i mean, it's true. what, what are you said that trump has spoken in the past about the russian, the security of but you know, you know, he throws things around out, but he hasn't spoken up in those terms in the for, for quite some time though. i mean i, i think led to the question then is,

if this doesn't take place, i think if, if there's a meeting between a boat and then from doesn't take place at any time in the near future. then i think that it's not a good sign. i mean, i think the way you do have of a, if there is a reading that takes place very soon, it's no sign doesn't mean that the, what was going to come to, right. it'll be a good sign. all i can say is that the 3 of us can figure it out. i can figure out how marco groups going to figure it out. okay. alright gentlemen, that's all the time. we have one a thing, my guess, and assemble in budapest and of course want to thank our viewers for watching us here already. so you next time, remember across that was the cause that one which is the not so someone that just didn't want to say i'm on this for example, emotion based issue. i have to fall under

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