for the council, the national interest. dr. jersey. thank you so much for coming on a well one of the 1st things trump did was to end financial for an aide for 90 days . and then of course, that excluded israel, the largest recipient of american aid. what, what do you think is the points even of the foreign a, the executive order that the made on an organization day last week, as well as there's a problem with donald trump is that there's always something that contradicts the good news. and in this case, the bad news, of course, is that he has recently also made a decision to eliminate all conditions on the kinds of weapons that is, you will be able to receive from the united states. it will be able to receive those 2000 pounds of ball buzzers that has done most of the destruction in. gotcha . and he is also targeted uh, turned around and,

and said that the uh, groups of, of right wing settlers who have been so disruptive of the west bank and continue to be disruptive. even today. we'll continue to work with his older be subject to any kind of a change in spite of the united states so that you get one thing one way and one thing, another way i suspect we're going to have to wait and see what happens. i'm watching him in the oval office. it was clear that he said, look, i don't expect the sci fi to los by the time this is real guys, my talking to you, it may already have been broken. it has been broken as you say, in the west bank, which wasn't part of that agreement. what did you make of his intentions? i know it's, it's very difficult. we're literally investing all of this into 11 human being, steve with golf the on boy anyways, designers. although from what we hear was really into the at least stopping the

fighting for a few days. yeah. well, i think the again, with this is a, a case where there is a developing a situation, a donald trump does not really have much experience in dealing with the goal. she ages at this kind of level. and we have to wonder, to what extent his ego is driving the process by him wanting to be remembered as the man who made peace. now we will see how that plays out if he doesn't expect the, the 1st uh, 6 weeks to actually bring a, uh, some kind of settlement. uh, and that the, uh is really, is, uh, will break the agreement. then it will be every single watch to see how it be, try to cover himself and to talk the story that makes it look good. what's your feeling as to why? i mean, clearly by me blinking sullivan iris the names we hopefully will never have to

mention again except in some sort of trap. you know, they, they had the same deal for months. what do you think the deal was, was about? i mean, did the, as the width golf i ordered by trump to say, i was able to tell that and yahoo look uh, given uh, because this is basically giving into uh by the city and resistance. and we'll back you for destroying the westbank in the occupied territories, or was it will all, i'm you to the deep maybe even militarily get involved in a war on the run. although i should say the around on boy brian hook has been fired as well. who was kind of in charge of transition, it state department uh, and he was another these people who are under warranty run, but mind you so many of his cabinet like rubio has been historically as well. the bind administration. we have to be honest about the, by the ministration was collaborated with israel to do what was going on in gaza

and also to increase the temperature of what was going on in level non and with syria. so they collaborate with them and we'll have to see, to what extent a truck will be a collaborator, or whether his reputation will push him in a different direction. it's. it's a very hot situation right at the moment. and you know, there's brian hook, he was the previous on board to run, and then he was supposed to be arranging transition for rubio at the moment. i mean, that guy should, i suppose i should really ask you about, what do you think of walton rubio? really a given your intel background, let alone. i think many people know who marco rubio is, what bus new bizarrely left q, but under the us back. but face to face thinking, i don't think he's a communist though. and he meanwhile, is always back the whole case positions right through the him as of your atmosphere

. and, ma'am, is here, i'm speaking to you for a as well. i mean, the, virtually the whole cabinet that would help us both together is so hard liners and the hard line is in the middle east. the hard line, in some cases is on the ukraine. russia issue, it's a little bit softer there. and of course, it's a very hard line against china, so this is what we can expect. and that's what we should expect. but we have to wonder what extent donald trump will be pushing sometimes in the other direction. yeah, you invited changing things. name is lead to the, to the organization other when he ended up going that. yeah, well, i suppose ukraine is the issue. people have most hopes about with regard to a to piece. how do you think uh, people like rubio and waltz are able to make such swift uh,

a you tons because clearly the trump policy is not going to be the one that is being advocated by a lot of those cabinet members that he is a pointing a completely out of step with them and there was some reports that as of even 72 hours of his, it will get ration arms exports with being stopped from nato bases us bases in your up to ukraine, even as zalinski paraded it to the global list. and double us will, you can only for him as well. the question has to be, to what extent these appointees will be able to go around the president if they're able to do that as it was done with buying. uh, we will see a lot of things happening that are hard to explain in terms of the rhetoric that came out a good campaign from, from donald trump. so again, this is going to be a work in progress. i would recommend that everybody watch carefully what goes on virtually either on a daily basis for the 1st month, because that will do

a terminal to a certain extent, the shape of what goes on after that. clearly the confirmation hearings, rubio appear to think that he actually use the word leverage on russia as regards sanctions, if bricks didn't exist, and as if you didn't understand what happened to rush, you're after all these sanctions i, the economy is the biggest buy pvp. i think in, in new york or something has done well out of it. do you think good people like rubio and the rest of them understand that there's no point in leveraging pollution in any way over ukraine if they think that's the way to get some kind of a deal. this is one of the great sections of washington, which isn't that the, the, the, the support for your crime basically who was about weakening russia. but the fact is otherwise, is that the, the, the,

the so called leverage has basically made russia stronger. and you increase the value of its energy exports. and um, it basically has come out of this with a, some of the with alliance with the iran, and somewhat of in relation of a renew relationship with roy, i will try it out. so who, when the chair and the put unfortunately, people and rubio don't have the depth of understanding to appreciate what really is coming out of this. it's in america's interest to settle this business to ukraine and russia without turning russia into anatomy. and the national security advisor, bolts people don't really talk about them that much or former mayor of some small town in america who worked into john ashcroft in from us for reinstituting. right. that's explained with the palm. a raids were a 100 the americans and how,

how do you expect them to impact, uh, actually on home and abroad. these kinds of policies as well as you know, the thing is when, when these people show up with an international forum director inches profile. and that was the interesting thing, go 4 years of joe joe biden, and his regime was the fact that any time these people opened up their mouse. and i'm talking about blinking. and i'm talking about the spokesman and washington that appeared constantly on american televisions. these people showed directorates, and i think we're going to have another round of that. but again, the big question becomes who's going to be pushy full and is, does it pro as a result that was 1st time in office? how do you understanding that you didn't have then? and the baby will do some of the right things you happy with being criticizing

tools, the gabbert is intelligence. pick a for you to ending on 7 of 2 of the patriot act, allowing more and was wide shopping and fan is you don't think that the jump will need to wirelessly wire. tap is in dire administration for any conspiracies against him. like the last time around with people like being bad. yeah. well that's the whole say the us government is doing this ever since the george w bush. and they've been doing it secretly a lot of the time. and they've been doing an open lead by virtue of these are these of allowances that have been written into the laws. so this has been going on since forever. i mean, i respect to tulsa gabbert because she was one of the few caught was women when just syria to find out what was going on there to have it did for vote on what was the current and she's afraid, right, well i'm, and i think that she is not one who is going to be uh,

basically allowing the whole scale surveillance of people and stuff like that. i think this will be a kind of a, a select process for her, which i regret. but this is the way our government works. our government has become very much in many aspects like a police state, a dr. phillips are out the i'll stop you that. well, if in the pharmacy i a case officer in current executive director of the council of the national interest. after this break, the, the, if you think about a russia, what is your mind picture the skates open up the for your eyes. the

11 does. you imagine the, the discounts dodge the journey, the, the, you ready to come along? the russian states. never as tight as i'm one of the most sense community best ingles, all sense and up the in the system must be the one else holes. question about this, even though we will then in the european union,

the kremlin mission, the state on the russians to day and split the ortiz full neck, even our video agency, roughly all the band on youtube, the fitness center for the question, did you say steven, twist which is the, the, the, the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with the executive director of the council of the national interest dr. phillip drowsy, talked to gerald of you and talking about the tool see gab. but you might have to just explain how the power relations work between the position she has been picked for, for trump versus john radcliff, at the c i a and the national security advisor, mike wells. well they, they all have of

a similar function is that they're basically of people who interpret intelligence for the white house. the one, why does it most directly will be a policy gather because her position is, is, is such that it's the house of function in the white house. there is a less of a functionality. and in the, in the 2 other jobs because they have separate responsibilities. her job is to interpret the intelligence for those who are the people who, who make policy judgments. the other 2 are basically the focus of the organizations that they had which, which have a different role. so you know, there are different voices, but they all are supposed to be saying the same song. yeah, i think uh, position the breed assessor. i wrote a report about this program and its uh its power around the world,

but which i really liked. uh, i really liked that intelligence reward. but uh, of course we know that your all the god media and let alone the military industrial complex build like tools, the gap it into smearing just as they used as we actual drum is basically a rush or an asset. how much do you think a whole sentence is congressman will be believing all these lies about josie gab it'd being a russian spy more or less. yeah, i don't think any of you will actually believe that they're, they're playing a political gave in terms of whether they want her there or not for reasons of the wrong. and, you know, most of the people and congress has a, i'm sure of all, all of you in the rational community where a well informed know that congress is probably one of the most corrupt organizations, a political organizations of that type in the entire world. yeah,

they're pushing back against the department of government efficiency already. obviously a lot of money being made the somewhere. but of course there was a guy with like r f k junior, who's not responsible specifically for any kind of foreign policy ream it though. oral design is and the push against iran, given the choices for cabinet positions. does that concern you? yeah, it does. it's a, it's the one area where i think people should have a, in addition to the rush of course, which is the big area where people should have a considerable wake up in terms of the policies that they're, they're pushing. and the reasons for the policies that they're pushing as it turns out, of course, the supporters of history, all the united states have very deep pockets and lots of money to throw around the

politicians. so all of these politicians, as i mentioned before, have basically been corrupted and basically have the what and it's critical for them to say the right things about israel and the right to end the right thing to which are of course, the wrong things about the rock and you think that despite saying he's all about peace, they will be saying things like, look, syria went when no one expected it. i think that in the congress people are, it's saying that the intelligence didn't support the fact that aside would flee so quickly. similarly, the same could be done about iran and the net result will be trump my ring himself in a war which is a previous presidents and recently is have and go down in history, is just another failed us. well, president as well. so that's why i say we have to watch the situation almost on a daily basis between now and say the end of january. we'll see

in terms of some of the decisions that the president makes, where it's all going. and this is the time when people like us who have somewhat of a voice and some water, good warranties, have got to speak out and got to say, here we are going that way again. and there might be something that trump is actually sensitive to. and he might push back against his own appointees. that's what i hope to see. yeah. been possessed can. uh, the president of the i've a run mandated by a toilet as well. so many up here to want the tones they haven't retaliated for his riley strikes, seemingly saying that it was all about the gods as these 5 deal. what would you advise them? i mean truly, and they're hearing voices in their own country, clearly to preemptively attack in these early days of a trump administration to for

a stool and still some kind of fear. because at the moment everyone will be having drums here and saying, look, it runs a walk over there having problems in their own country. and now is the time to go for it. well i think somebody has to be very clearly making the case that 1st of all, around just not a walk over and, and secondly, there are implications in terms of policies for a whole regions. and oh, cool parts of the middle east and also parts of, of further it asia that would be upset and disturbed as basically a i come back to this credit to what the united states is doing. so there is a downside, a big downside. the thinking that oh yeah, well the run is a pushover. israel wants us to do it. we like is real. they give us a lot of money. so so let's go in what is the fact is nothing is ever quite as

simple as it seems to the people in washington. and this has a r r deficit for quite some time. yeah, the russian iran comprehensive strategic partnership agreement was made within hours of the organization. the timing was set to be near the inauguration day of possession and being in moscow with boots in the do you think they understand you were talking about those massive trade routes? do they just not? i mean, you're at the see, i actually doesn't tell about the fact as a trying to hot card or from india through to iran involving the caspian huge, massive trade routes are being organized under the ages of bricks as being view from the united. i remember it's a member of that grouping, just as iran is. does he just not have this information and think that they can the i know, trump said spain was in breaks with the did they did, they don't understand the, the, the rest of the world is moving very swiftly towards new ways of, uh, uh,

financial exchange. let alone um, goods uh, exchange rates as well as i made the honest to god truth, is there a lot of people who are washington, who do understand all these things? and the certainly when i hear some of my former colleagues from the intelligence agencies and some other people who are outspoken in the peaceful, but basically they do understand all of this and the correct people of explaining it. but the 3rd is now listening, coming from congress. a, you know, you could name the congressmen who actually are aware of all these issues and how important they are. you could names of probably a one hand. and this is the tragedy of what's going on. the united states and of course, bear in mind that the, the media, the media is united states is a big part of the problem that actually some people that i know would call it the

biggest part of the problem is because what they are doing is they are supporting up the standard lines that are coming out of the administration. like uh, uh, everything that is real does is, is uh, explained as something else of what this actually doing. everything the united states is doing. and in ukraine is somehow el whitewashed, the relationship with russia, russia, and put in are declared to be boxed or is of various kinds. you know, this goes on and on and on and on. and this has, this has been national media, this is the new york times, the washington post. los angeles times the major newspapers are, are primarily involved in this learn. rupert murdoch's fox news, which a goes trump, but apparently watches it is 50, is the judge commission. uh today. uh the most recent case the i is, uh, i see for rough months. uh uh you think he actually does a whistle blow,

he revealed the is really plans to attack iran and how important uh, would you tell me about that case and what do you think of it and how important uh the trump getting uh his hands on uh some kind of accountability as regards of c, i a is going to be in the 2nd to yeah, well i, i certainly think rockwell was a whistle dollar and i think he was a, i consider most of the whistle blowers we've had the last surgery last 20 years have been right, choose people who are really concerned about what the united states is doing. that is damaging the interest of the united states and damaging the futures of america. ordinary american citizens who are kept in the dark, their lied to cautiously by the administration. and they are essentially being sold a bill of woods where, you know, we have situations like we have natural catastrophes and do not in the states. and

there's, there's no money to help these people, and yet the, there's a $100000000.00 us to send them to you crate. so something seriously wrong here as something seriously wrong about the money and the weapons that his real is getting to kill. maybe as many, 400000 palestinians. so this is awful. so these whistle blowers were saying the right thing, doing the right thing. and i'm all in favor of what we're doing. if the, if for our club has been able to forestall is really these really various attacks that have been taking place in release and in the 11, not syria and, and potentially iran. that would have been a good say. just finally, i don't know as a case officer, whether you had security guarantees to see them. but trump has said that the the j f k papers, the r f k papers, the m l k papers are going to be released. what impact on american society is a going to have what american see the truth about what the government was trying to

cover up, even if it's not as bad as some suspect it to be. what do you think is the impact will be on the american public when they realize what the, the circle, deep state does for much beloved figures like john f kennedy, robert kennedy and martin luther king junior as well. i told you, i mean, the fact that this has been covered up for as long as its been covered up in the case. there's something incredible, something lawful in there. and then, and then people like myself or the concerned about the is really role and the american government ever since. the 19 sixty's. uh, we'd nurture the, did the possible syria is real, was behind the killing of j a. k or at least was knowledgeable. that it was going to take place and that was because robert f kennedy was about to make up the israel

lobby or register as a for an agency. so that has never happened since that time. and there was a strong motive. and many of us believe that there is or this real tied to that that's the both those man, even though the official narrative is a palestinian killed bobby kennedy, attorney general and candidate for president. yeah, that's, that's correct. yep. so that that would contradict completely the, the narrative and, and turn it upside down that alone, of course guys patel who's up for free. i am what i don't know what further is going to be revealed. i mean, we already have papers that you are the epi. i tried to tell him i didn't do the king junior to kill himself. yeah. well, that means there are a lot of these stories that have yet to surface. i mean, certainly when i was in c, r a, there were a lot of things that happened that kind of either went away or made to disappear and things like that. and these were things that in many cases,

people like myself in the intelligence agencies. i mean, we, for, we protested and said, no, this is not right, but we were, we weren't people lower down in the, in the hierarchy. and uh, you know, the ones who make these decisions are at the top of these organizations. and they're essentially politicians. dr. phillip charlie, thank you. thank you for having me. that's it for the show will be back with a brand new episode on saturday. but until then, keep in touch my role as social media or if it's not censored in your country, have to watch idle going on. you're going to be on rumble. they'll come to watch, new and old episodes are going on the grants. these have the, the, i look forward to talking to you all that technology should work for people.

a robot must obey the orders given by human beings, except we're so shorter that conflict with the 1st law show your mind, anticipation. we should be very careful about our personal intelligence. the point obviously is to trace a truck or rather than to the area. i mean with the artificial intelligence we have summoning the theme and the robot must protect his phone, existence was alexis during the 2nd world war, pull underground power and industry organizations imposed on dog abide by german troops, as well as in the bordering regions of bella, ros we're united into the so called home on a 50,

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