in the mix is very complex and then of course having to cope with the pressure from the course of the bodies you to nice know but and so you sort of just if it comes situation for them. but. busy i think uh what they do now is to dig in to ensure that waiting for. busy really to have a pollution in a position to discuss with. busy and so with the cost so that they can, that they couldn't get groceries the was most expensive flight, they'd get pound by salt and was a marvel of american engineering. let's land by others. so it costs the vs go. it's quite literally dropping from this guy. the 5th generation after said, if i've stuff fly for the scene here, arriving at his final rest of the school and for the us air force base in alaska. with a pair of c, 17 call loop ends in the full well, apply that the ripple, the some by them passage balance. so the alpha,

there are no immediate details on why the price happened. but the 2 in the program has been played the years with cost overruns and about functions that have to be able to be routed to the broader inputs. it defies. readiness foot piece sol for the claim, but only with the officials who have the legal authority to formalize and agreement . a condition zelinski does not sweet. just keep you to go to most of the skimming . you can negotiate with anyone, but zalinski is an illegitimate. he has no right to sign anything, but if he wants to take part in the negotiations, i will send people who will conduct these negotiations. the issue is the final signing of the documents. this is a very serious issue that should guarantee security for ukraine and russia with a serious long term historical perspective. and there can't be a single slip. everything should be polished, but in accordance with the constitution of ukraine, the president of ukraine,

even under martial law, does not have the right to extend his powers. only representative authorities have the right to extend their powers, which is only the right of the countries parliament. and the president only has a 5 year term. that's it. and nothing else. further, his powers are transferred to the chairman of the rot. but if there is a desire to negotiate and find compromise solutions, let anyone go straight there. naturally, we will strive to achieve what suits us, which corresponds to our interest in terms of signing documents. everything should be done in such a way that lawyers confirm to us the legitimacy of those people who be authorized by the ukrainian state to sign these agreements. you can and they should cancel the decree. that's benz negotiations. well yes, if we start negotiations now they will be illegitimate. i haven't said it. i'm telling you the truth. there is a problem. why? because when the current head of the regime, that's the only way to call him today sign this decree. he was the legitimate

president relatively. and now he can't cancel it because he's illegitimate. but that's the trick and ambush a trap. but basically, if they want to do it, there is a logical way. let the representatives of the right to do this in accordance with the constitution. if there is a desire, you can close any legal issue so far, we simply do not see such a desire. i think they can exist, they won't last a month if the money, broadly speaking from the patron stop, that's it. it will all be over in a month, a month and a half or 2. in this sense, ukraine's sovereignty is almost 0. so if the western sponsors want to achieve peace, well, the way is very simple. i sent this message to buy them some time ago. if there is a desire, everything is welcome. and then they will quickly find all the legal ways to close the legal issues, including the repeal of this degree banning negotiations while that. so for this news, as always is great to have your company here on off and see did take out. so the

next photo it says cross spoke with them about and will be back at the top of the out, the the, [000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to cross software. all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle. trump says he wants to end the conflict in ukraine. his rhetoric appears to demonstrate a negotiating strategy. but what does ending the conflict mean?

victory for one side and defeat for the other importantly, what does piece mean in this context? the press ok in ukraine. i'm joined by my guess, met nielsen in stockholm. he is a senior analyst at visiting club in athens. we have dmitri gloss caught us. he is a lawyer and a freelance journalist and m r. say we cross 2 people and tell him he's an independent journalist and contributor at 21st century wire or at tillman cross black roles in effect, that means it can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate that. so let's go to you 1st and stop. com. um, you know, every few hours there is a new headline about a negotiating position. now the trump is thinking, this is advisors are thinking that even in ukraine, they're saying this is what the trunk team is thinking. um, it's all nice and fine, i'm glad they're thinking about it here, but there doesn't seem to be any coherence to any of it. if anything,

it's there among their talking among themselves. negotiating with the other side meeting. russia isn't even in the cards. yeah. and your thoughts go ahead. i think especially europe is still stuck in an item. this, the position of the swedish for an administer on monday of this week said that we, europeans have 3 core interests. and this was my re stand a guard to the swedish for the minister saying this. we have 3 core interests us, your opinions, keeping ukraine strong, russia, we and the u. s. in. now. uh, i don't really know where to start. yeah. well, well matt, matt, so i, i, you know, i, i, i'm not really a well aware of the, the, the, your foreign minister, but i mean, those are not the new ideas that is been, that was the mentor of the cold war. so,

i'm not even imagine the imaginative thinking coming out of what you're repeating. capitals continue please. you know, it's, it's, they're, they're stuck in, in the, in the world as they wanted to be. there is obviously no reality based discussion with india in union and trying to match trump's new rhetoric even though denmark is being threatened, the, the european leaders are still stuck in, in the i the list come and call us said, i think this past weekend said the date was in the interest all over europe to, uh, uh, dismantled russia and break it off into smaller parts. i don't know where this came from, but it's this, this, it breeds and idea that's been been with the european union and especially with um, i would say england since the time of the great game,

russia has always been seeing us as an adversary. now, at trump coming in and kind of at re lighting the fire of the, or regional monroe, dr. tree. meaning that trump is signaling that america is now going to focus on his part of the western hemisphere with panama threatening colombia going after canada, looking at greenland with which is geographically in the monroe doctrine hemisphere might mean that there is a situation where trump is doing what is best for america, and that is preparing america to be able to fend for itself when it comes to resources when it comes to production. and when it comes to negotiating from a position of strength. and once america reaches this, perhaps we can have

a new y'all's back conference. yeah. where this leaves europe, and i'll just my, my, for my, for the final say, this leads europe in a situation where europe is going to have to wake up and smell the coffee. but they will be doing it too late, too big, bad remain relevant at europe is making itself irrelevant as we speak. yeah, well, a dmitri no wonder trump doesn't take any of the europeans. seriously. there is no reason to and that is not a i a, on my part, the greenwood transform policy, but the europeans have made themselves just the relevant to be treated. it's very interesting here. um trump says he wants to end conflicts. but the problem with that thinking on for ending them too, but he doesn't understand how to resolve them. and that is the problem with ukraine . he wants to end it, but he doesn't resolve it in the sense that the russians want it to be resolved. in terms of their security interest,

that part of the equation is not part of western thinking. right now. demetrius, as well as let's 1st of all be honest and clear about trump, the actual record a trump likes to boast about the fact that he didn't start any new wars, perhaps that's accurate, but he did maintain unjust debacles. he continued to prosecute desk in war, although he talked about bringing it to an end. under his administration, the 1st administration us occupied large swats of syria and see it admitted they were there to take the oil. he continued to arm israel, which is in a perpetual state of war with its neighbors. so he actually doesn't have a record as a peacemaker. nonetheless, i do think, peter, that he does have a sincere desire to bring this to the end. a to the problem that trump confronts, however, and is probably one to which he is completely in a custom that in his career as a business person, is that he has 0 leverage because of the by ministration managed to prolong this

war just long enough to bring the disaster to the door step of the truck at the very moment when the ukraine army is on the verge of collapse and the sentients have failed. uh, i think the coverage of bear in the us military stocks are almost there. so what leverage the does he have, he has none and therefore he's kind of flailing around. he doesn't really know what to do. the side truth for donald trump is he's there to sign the articles of confederation at this stage. and that's exactly what the circumstances present to him, and i don't know if he's mentally psychologically prepared for that said rule. well exactly because freddy drum talks about consequences for, for russia, for put in. um, and he doesn't say exactly what he's going to do, but they will be consequences again. and that's why we're doing this program. i'm trying to get my hands around. well, if you want to end this and you want to talk to the russians, why aren't you doing it? i mean,

i mean 1st and we thought to resolve it in 24 hours and then we get to know it's going to be in the 1st 100 days. and then some magical thinking on may 9th of a victory day in a, in rush. so commemorating the defeat of the nazis. i mean, why would they signed an agreement on that day? i, nobody needs it. somebody needs to explain all this. to me. go ahead. ready? well peter, we, we, we live here, you know, we're trying to make sense of what's coming out of this us and ministration sense. i think everybody recognizes drums kind of tendency for i to bali and misguided common. so it is nothing you hear what we're trying to understand, release the mindset, i think it's very important to understand the mindset of the us and ministration, dest, you administrations, as a program, we know during the presidential election, trump said that he wanted to move out of the troops, the us troops from around the world and bring them back home,

trying to avoid conflicts around the welsh and bring peace did well. so again, pieces of mindset and what if i'm difficult to believe in anything that has been presented so far? is the id that we can get to piece, which is a process which is the outcome, the product of negotiations related to the terms of surrender. and unless we can stop to hear about the acceptance that you've trained might have been defeated in this particular battle. and this particular war would that the nato, us funding to recognize that this conflict is, has to come to an end because there is no positive outcome possible for you try. and then at that time there is no point to entertain any discussions with about to piece 1st your next step to the fit. and then you ask the victor. yeah. but if i give you the opportunity to go sure. distance. yeah. but for the year you're being very, very rational about this. i'm going to go to match right now, but it would, freddy's said, you know, be the talking about taking pictures. we have to use the word capitulation on this

program, but not say that they're still the mindset in the west, the rush, it has to capitulate, we, we have made no progress because that's not going to happen. mats are headed out, that's the problem. and it's the question is how, how bloody of a nose does the west need to receive before they realize that russia has a severe of influence that we need to allow russia to have. now what i'm thinking about trump going all in or, or seeming to go all in with the old monroe doctrine, is the fact that we, perhaps your can be reminded all of the concept of acceptable. so we are some influence that once you all know, i mean mexico, it's a summer nation. but should mexico didn't invite chinese troops onto mexican soil? obviously, america is not going to accept that. and i think most countries in europe would say,

it's okay for america to, to, uh, and the chinese take the chinese away from mexico. and we need to remind europe about the fact that even during the cold war, you had buffer systems that you didn't touch. so we need it's sad to say, but we need to go back to the cold warm mentality where we create borders and we create so, so yeah, but no. okay, but i, i get where i get your drip to where you're going here to meet. we can, can we say, you know, is for years of security inside of, you know, because that's what it's all about. it's about security and the indivisibility of security. this is something the west used to believe in, but doesn't believe anymore because because it's russia 40 seconds before we go to the break, dimitri. yes, but there's also a certain error of unreality to some of this conversation with all due respect to our conferences here. i don't think that your business is part of the equation here

. the spheres of security are going to be turned in by the united states and the russian federation. and i don't think the european union at the state just going to be a significant factor in that. and i think the sooner that the europeans get the group on that reality the, the, the, the better off they will be. yeah, exactly. we do in a way, gentlemen, before we go to the break, we're at 1945 again because it's going to be 2 outside powers. it's got to decide the fate of europe, and that's europe's fault. in this case, gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're gonna go to a short break, and after that short break, we'll keep are going to continue our discussion on ukraine. stay with archie

the the welcome act across ok, we're all things are considered. i'm peter to about to mind you were discussing ukraine. the okay, want to go back to dimitry. i want you to be able to finish your answer um, before we went to the break it before you do though, it's already been mentioned on this program and it's the it's the alta 2 point. oh, now if you look at most histories of the cold war, this was a impose piece on europe, but europe had destroyed itself and become irrelevant in international politics.

but that's essentially what it's done again. and i would prefer that they would be everyone would be a shareholder in their faith. but um, in the case we have now, we could have, we're approaching an escalation, possibly that would uh see us confronting world war 3. so maybe we, but we do need a you all to hear because from the russians position, we have to solve all problems here. and not just who's going to rule in care of, for example, in the, in the americans just don't have the imagination to do that. right now, dmitri a unfortunately, there's even less uh, you know, prospects for effective negotiations with the european is going to negotiate on behalf of europeans personally, a personal level under land right now you guys are on the winning team. oh, okay. no, do perfect. see us for democratic legitimacy all that schultz is on his way out the door. i'm a crone who has a 21 percent approval rating. i mean, who is going to negotiate on behalf of the europeans?

europeans made themselves earlier. relevant to my opinion, the nail in the coffin of european real era relevancy was when the entire e. you buried the fact that the binding ministration blew up the north stream pipeline? yeah, i mean they, they did absolutely nothing to defend their interest. and now we have this ridiculous spectacle, or trump is calling up to the danish prime minister and demanding that you hand over greenland europe. this is whether or not a serious the european reaction is extraordinary. we telling there just sitting there paralyzed by gear and the headlight. so although as to european because i am also european punch of the canadian, i am ashamed and deeply dr. distraught by the situation, the political realities here. these are the political realities. and so ultimately this is going to be determined by 2 great powers and europe is going to be a bystander, even though europe's interest or more affected than those of anybody like this particular war. yeah. in, in freddy,

how is all of this going to actually help ukraine? i mean, the more the americans and the europeans quote unquote, help ukraine. the smaller ukraine gets its population get smaller, its prospects or dimmer. i mean, maybe ukraine has had enough help from the west. freddy, as well. the ukraine is pretty much left on that side. and i mean, you've got britain on one side in the united states. and as dmitri say, europe has become extremely irrelevant, has been, we put all eggs into it, into sand baskets for, for decades, and let the united states run to show our policies and our security affairs. so we have no solutions to offer. and so we have been declining popularity among so teenagers and key leading economies in europe, namely germany and france as well to say options are pretty much locked. and we can clearly see already under your inclination standard of trying to draft plans and, and white papers on the how to, to read, find their security and defense policies. buddies will take years. and it's not

a mac route going around to various european states, trying to us for no money, more contributions towards the defiance and increasing the, you know, defense to expenditures, to $4.00 or $5.00 to cents. it's ridiculous. distrust between what donald trump wants and buddy. it's not representing, and it's not providing ukraine with any solutions because they're all new solutions . that is the bottom line. it is at the end of the day or, or what it was for the, for the wrong reasons. and 80 breached to do that, could have led to peace, you know, and then lead dimansky agreements as well as the, the, the, the piece agreements. and if i seem to take it back to, to you could have provided at a very early stage is solutions that the problem is when you let the country go on . and so you have a, an outgoing administration that is just keep on spending more money to avoid efforts. ukraine has both to lie on the and the default that they could secure a new membership, dis,

wait. so what about and i think you were coming to reality kerry shows that this is not going to happen. and i'm folks engines going on right now. okay. and we, i think we would have an indication of it, of what direction these things are going to go by the time we in this program. somebody else is gonna come out with a new plan in washington that the russians haven't even heard about. this is where we are, you know, mats, one of the things i found always very, very puzzling, even way before the special military operation. i do program master program about european security, and i would always ask the question, if you're so afraid of russia and rushes so aggressive, why is it hard to get nato countries to pay for their defense? i mean, if it's an ex, essential threat, you'd think everyone say, you know, cut social programs, we have to defend ourselves. but nobody in europe is saying that just people in brussels in, in london and in washington. okay. and the arms of producers go ahead match. it's very simple,

it's because of the politicians and the military planners within that nature, within the european union, they know that russia is not an existential threat to them. it's a, it's as to say, i, i could have respected the policies of the european union. if the european union have said, russia is a major threat to us, we're going to take our young men and women from the european union, and we're going to send them to ukraine to the front lines. we're going to have them fight russia now, because russia is a threat to us. but that's obviously not the case. so what they're doing is they're keeping the conflict on the low burn. yeah, in order to one, facilitate the military industrial profits, which in turn, pays for the think tanks, which in turn pays for the politicians. secondly, the slow burn european union there your opinion and it was hoping it would weaken

russia. however, it touched as a strength of strength and russia, and now they are in full panic and they're trying to come up with these silly 200 year political realty. yeah, the, so i just want to tell everybody the u. k. has a 100 year security agreement with the correct like what we don't even know if your credit is going to make it to the end of the year that this is kind of base our fantasy. go ahead, man. i, i remember reading in one of my books, the charles, the goal, one of the true a statesman of europe, a charles to go as old friends, french pressure and said that treat these are like roses. they're beautiful until they are not. and the, this is the same with the truth is that the european union now are trying to make amends by signing here and there. but the european union, they're irrelevant. they have proven themselves weak and they're proving themselves

irrelevant. but by doing this hall semester. so it's, it's, hopefully at the united states and russia can end this, and you are p n, u d and the best just sit down and be quiet in class while the grow the mass literally. but there's a problem there, there's a big problem. there's a pretty big problem. there's a big problem there, dimitri, because objectively speaking, looking at mens one minutes to assemble, which is the russians trust the west. but we could go on computer, we could the, the anti ballistic. and so 3 of the intermediate nuclear for us is trudy, the nuclear deal with iran that obama negotiated these people to treat treaties like toilet paper. i mean, it's not quite is uh, you know, a politic is the charles the government for. but that is the reality. they have absolutely no regard for their own commitments. and the russians now understand that painfully well. and so any,

i think resolution is going to have to provide to the russians, a level of security that goes well beyond a paper agreement. and really what it is that, what to give the russians the kind of security they require and reasonably desire without that goes beyond the treaty. well, that's the, the destruction of the ukrainian army. that's what it is. i don't think this is going to stop until the ukranian army no longer has the ability to pose a threat to russia. i think the lensky will have to be gone. you'll have to be replaced by somebody who has a grip on reality. and only then will a deal get done. and that's no matter what donald trump says, no matter what the european say, that's where we're at at this particular stage, i believe in upfront a friday. the one of the other issues here is that, you know, ukraine will continue fighting because it's a lead lensky and his cronies. they're making a lot of money off of this. i'm sure it's all been squirreled away here,

but this will go on until the us and nato deciding it is no longer worthwhile because the russians, they're winning. why should they stop winning? is freddy is exactly so a matter of it's a perspective i think from on the, on donald trump scans that looking at this potential negotiations from this on comfort from what they know, what they can handled, the reality of the battlefield actually deep tight just kind of negotiations, and then on the other side of course, the reality, not that you do your politics, but the economy and the macro economies realities also kitchenaid and so you have it for europe that is completely united create as far as on pertaining to the reality of a multi point of welds, and so we drawn an independent nations, a powerful nation, or you will, you aspire to be on the confirmation. you need to have this instrument, you need to revise the audio systems you know, from, you know, as i said, transportations the way you bank the way your, your transfer your money. everything needs to be re adapted to uh, internet independent fashion,

to address the multiple was something that we have not done something that the rush has been able to do during the conflicts. so i just sent time to have the country a battle to fight, and on the other side, they are addressing this important tools and instruments that are required for this country. that's going to survive the shift within the macro economic say. we've been that down and ukraine will also be let down. that is the reality. the bridge we're trying to, the likely i believe and always predicted that there will be a replacement. so obviously landscape should come 1st before the negotiations on to time, we'll see police illuminated or perhaps a return up soon. these new client or for the american liskey are still beach and i so it, it really depends on that. yeah. yeah. but then today when to see you then yeah, but that, that will not have any impact on russia's security interest whatsoever. this is a west anderson ramos 0. it's a, it's a native problem. this has always been in a to a problem, gentleman that's all the time we have a one to think, my guess, and mark say athens and in stockholm. and of course i want to thank our viewers for

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