come back in a few more years after i'm retired and then just finish out life in russia. but then i came and then i was like, i don't remember when i go home. that's how i felt about rush. i love it. i love it so much here that i don't even want to leave. i just want to travel around rush. i have no desire to go to any other country. the ever been in your life here in russia, the i've only lived here a few months, but i wanted to tell you what fascinates me about russia and share the stories of other foreigners who lived here like jay who worked as a chef and now raises godes and makes cheese in the countryside, like chad who has been granted political asylum because he's being persecuted by the f b. i like an american family. that recently moved to russia with 6 children the

year we are happy to be here. this is my friend joe. a few months ago he immigrated to russia with his large family. now i'm on the way to visit him. i want to find out why he decided to move here and how he likes it in russia to how you doing pretty good. the joe is an i t program manager. he worked in many large companies including microsoft, but he gave up everything and moved to russia with his wife and 6 children. and now they're about to have a 7. so apparently they had a very good reason to relocate. did he talk you interested? no, i think to be honest, we 1st rich the same conclusion. some states have had issues where they've come in

and they remove the child somehow because they're claiming the child's being abused by not being able to think it was uh, is 6 states in less than 6 months past. they've lost that even a 5 year old kid can be taken away from their parents and take them to the hospital and shop a lot. yeah. that's just a reality we've uh and people ask us okay, well, i mean like, is it ramped and is it happening to like everybody have you been threatened with that? no, i'm not an idiot. i don't wait around for this stuff to continue to progress because that's what's been going on for the last several decades. a lot of people with traditional values wouldn't take the agenda, right? they wouldn't, okay. i know you're down and they flash a lot of traditional teachers anywhere. the flushing traditional switches out of the system that's filling it up with cuckoos. and these people likes child stressed out that being bullied. so they send them home with were maybe your upset cuz you're actually the rooms and just like maybe you're actually just helping people

going on here. and they actually condition is chosen to do that. and so it's, it's going on and on the amount of schools that have had secret classes one recently where they were having classes after school every day for a year. and they were actually, they weren't doing hard at all. oh, actually transgender across. and this is the, the article as well sir, who you, these parents to the children were attending on cost. literally this complete in version we're perfectly fine shaming you if you're a straight white male is you have a lot of kids, people to walk up to my wife, make rude comments, are available, say the materials and things. if you take care, you know, nobody could criticize her for women coming out to me. children, well, behavior is what she says are you out of your mind and she starts lane and to me, everybody is terrified. there is no freedom of speech in america anymore. you say something really mean about that? would you be the organization or anything like that? oh, you'll be a black dots for life. people had to down no joke. i took

a picture of christmas day because we had a boy's hands. this is like the most traditional in the angle world, most of the boys had and then there i be decked with bays and rosemary and somebody tag this animal rights activist group. put out my name where i worked, who the phone numbers to like, oh had somebody complain it was that press, read for eating a pigs. had it here in russia. you can say what you think were out loud and the most relieving thing in the world. you actually are like me, this is actually really enjoyable. you can make jokes about this sort of stuff. nobody would, you know, cancel you or try to dock to or anything like that. talk about it. it was fine whenever you're moving on the what about health? carey, are you all worried about getting like the kids to

a doctor for the cost? oh, okay, well, i told them, i mean that's gonna spend the end of last year and i had to go get a surgery. i was just like, oh, great, awesome. so like this is over for us because i'm going to drop, you know, tens of thousands of dollars on this, which i would have definitely in the states. i have like one of the best orthopedic surgeons. like 5 star level hospital room, 1300 bucks. yeah. my says pregnancy ended up being on medicare stay and i think the bill was a $100000.00. we got a big discount on it because it was self pay. it was like $80000.00 and then we had the medical sharing, but still it was like intense was so this is a good to russian. see, are you a little russian boy, tables one of his best with the is high chance we look at in the morning. i'd make money, he'd say, he what were your thoughts before coming to russia a uh,

with a special military operation. how did you feel? were you worried that uh there was going to be like more on the outskirts of moscow . are you? i never, yeah. no, i thought there was going to be a war and i didn't want to be sitting, you know, at home in the middle of kansas down the street from fort riley when the, let me just say that i feel a lot safer here. right? than i do in america, if actual world war 3, breaking down much, much better to be here, we don't have any type of defense that could shoot anything down. i mean, right? something goes on over in the, in the states. it's over me. you know, i remember right before we left, we, uh, we heard reports the russian nuclear sub just pop his head up right off the coast of dc. hey, we're right here, just so you know, don't forget that we're right here. so there's nothing that you're going to defend against. uh, this goes sideways for the whole world. the euro. russian

. so you love this house. what are some of the learning funny? yeah. the so we're on the way to meet somebody who is pretty famous here in russia. he's a farmer and ex pats has been here since the 19 ninety's. so he shouldn't give us an interesting perspective on how things have changed here. one of the things he's most known for is cheats. so today i'm hoping that we can see some cheese production and get to meet some animals on his farm. the back of the

excuse me, another americans. so various ideas always come. yeah. and the another yang of your story. go build to go. all right, awesome. it's hard to believe now that j was a famous shift to even to, to the rolling stones. he used to run several restaurants in moscow. he was also a dear double biker and radio host, but he gave it all up sort of submarine, which he had bored in france and bought land in the countryside. then he built a house and moved here. is that, let's get rid of 2 cabs, one boil in 3 years. we'll have lead milk. i agreed and there we go. 3 years later the rogue starts. what are you going to do with 3 leaders and milk? that's howled j starting making cheese. and would you believe it? he became one of the most famous cheese makers in russia, although when he 1st came here, he couldn't imagine anything of the sort. i got here 93 things, shooting at the white house and it was there was little money for us was in the

hospitals all in a board and everything was really bad. you mean i couldn't imagine that. another country surviving. i think americans would die hungry. i didn't receive here right away. i came for 10 days and 20 days and 40 days and was 6. 1 a senior go go and more like home. i would start to go to other countries and i just want to get back home to russian. so it's home, i say to people, hey, if you could live in a rush, you can live anywhere in the world. it's not easy here. i mean, of course it's hard at some of the language, some of the alphabet of culture. several shake hands under a doorway. the boxes on the table. man, it's thousands of. i don't believe in the life of the divine judge wouldn't because it's like a habit. i asked jay if he's afraid to stay in russia after all,

our countries have a very troubled relationship. the us embassy regularly urges people to leave, but this is what happened before when birth or the 15th to was probably reasonable garcey. there was not case a to communist room, full draining the where again from the tv they were the ones writing the programs right. better. and then there was a lot of people say to anybody you a long there was economy. anybody out of different idea was economy, news like this? river stuff. the russians are killed tv, maybe trump, for president or hillary clinton lives. they linked or e mails installed the russians for how many elections and we got in june. right. how many cars, especially ations, of elected officials, have we actually done re re war against the payment because they weren't lynch?

maybe lucas think that the russians available. right when really wish and really like the biggest brands. i don't understand that at all. jay's business is going well and things have been going particularly well since a europe imposed sanctions banning in ports of choosing to rush and j as in suffering from the new sanctions either or so is the change if it's possible fussing was going to fax you weight tabasco sauce made in the usa sanctions or failed. ok. what's the address? yeah, well, i think version of the same colors. same ice cream. you know, the oil you made in the usa, even j will confirm sanctions and russia have failed. he ordered this on as on which is why i'm always ordering things. a. j had to take his car to the garage today for an oil change and i've decided to go with them. i want us to car services

like in the russian hinterland the oh, when i went to the wrong just don't you have to see the house to come and engagement because the trail

when so many find themselves will support. we choose to look for common ground, the the jumping ministration has quickly realized endings. the ukraine complex is going to be difficult and time consuming. also there is a growing understanding that the end of fighting does not necessarily mean creating the conditions of the oh, i sort of get salt, salt. salt in the road. salt milk. yeah. so the milk now guys really to me right of here. yeah. the guys have to push, push no, that option to stop. you got it. you got it. all

right, let's see if we can 1st james car. let's wrap it for sure. that's fine. it looks like we're good to look at that. look at this beautiful villas to wow, look the key up, the hill is amazing. place here, this is a beautiful village by the way. a lot of people in america think these villages are just like falling apart. so a lot of your neighbors come and they buy choose from. you still have to go buy chains or masterclass. they learn how to make jeans. oh, they come and learn how to make the james dropping his car off for an oil change. this is a russian brides look at that and really look too much different than an american garage that you find out in the middle of the country. so he'll be home 3 years. we're really mean under your order to

remove the room and i'm really not going to go to the store you. oh, that's it. what do you pay for an oil change today and like $10.00? 10 dollars, 10 dollars. oh, maybe $5.00. $5.00. is it a good mood? let's go. the time is coming to try j as cheese has a small shop and many kinds of different cheese j says there are 50 varieties in total. so it's just part of the natural process every day. turn it over, the rubber boot down. talk to good morning to next week. this is romano like to do was really good. this is good. this is called value garden. so dried tomatoes,

bell peppers speaking metal metal, crappy with russian shockley. yes, i'm a sick man, but you know, don't hold it against the i'm heading to the northern capital of st. petersburg and american lives there whom the f. b. i has been hunting for 18 years. he's on interpose a red list. they tried to extradite him to the united states from different countries, 4 times now lives in russia. i've been following his story for a while. and i can finally, personally ask why the f b i as after him i'm in st. petersburg, russia right now my 1st time. and it's probably the coldest day since i've arrived in russia. i am feeling it to my bones right now. the pills are due to a tough how you doing the role of the frozen as well. you

can feel anything. oh no you came. i think you brought this weather with you man. yeah, i'm not good. it is so i don't know ticket back. so tell me a little bit about yourself, like, uh, what, what made you decide to come to rush uh, i received asylum. and so far as i know, the next man after snowden to get it. and that's american, us embassies and 4 countries that come after me is wild. and so we have a couple of theories, the one that most people come to me 1st like, oh, there's just a bunch of bureaucratic mistakes. but there's no way they raised our house in 2002 in cyprus. they have a huge fall on my wife. uh, they interrogated me, they visited me and vote here in prison. personally as the i came, they tried to make deals. and also whenever can microsoft, i cover the middle east and africa and i had several intelligence agency trying to recruit me to work for them. and when i kept saying no, they wanted to make an offer. i couldn't refuse and they have a history that june. and is approvable, know because when they try and recruiters not like they leave behind

a business card to say, hey, you know, i'm from the intelligence agency, but very clearly there are 3 recruitment attempts. why is it that the f b i is looking for you on the website? they say that i legally retain my son, which is not because i had custody of my son anyways. here lived in europe the and you can prove this. yeah, i agree all there. and then they said they told the newspapers in indictment, they said that i physically kidnapped him with the problem was i was in the united states and neither was he the just 2 months prior. the same judge who set this whole thing up, put him on a plane using police to return to me because he was visiting his mother for the summer in the us and she didn't want to return them. and the judge said, nope, he said the police take away, put them on a plane and then he the same judge, basically the foundation for get up and that whole thing's been dismissed, but the feds weren't dismissed there in the and he's, he's your strongest witness in this case and he is, he's 27 now. yeah. he's done news interviews on american television saying that he

was never kidnapped in as all a far as the because when the guy does the sort of things, it's the only thing is ever fixed it as massive publicity like what the social media sometimes just any danziger way after doing sort of the thing. yeah, i'm a 49 year old bad man, but that's options for me to work. right? yeah, i have 150 to these by now, and that's how it works. i had to order 2 police officers to physically movies. my mother came to me on a plane back to my dad hollis and i'm not that's a this is actual insanity. chad son now lives in the caribbean and he's still on the missing children's list. and chat is still on the wanted list. were you ever contracted by the government? no, no, never. do you think maybe and this is just me being curious, do you think that perhaps uh, something that you may have worked on for one of these companies might be a reason for any of this. i,

i never worked on anything that was secretive or anything sort of that i have built software that's been in the space station and is used by the government. right. but it, it's communication software. when i moved to russia in early 2001, i married into a family and lived with a family who worked in a military aviation factory. and they didn't like suite the forest or the thing. and it's not like they could possibly get access to military technology. they were engineers, they had a good range. so these were close family members, and we lived in the same house phone for many years. and they had basically guess what an american be called top secret type. okay. and it became pretty evident that somebody in the american halogens agency had some kind of white dream that thought i could somehow blackmail my family and give me information. okay. it was never going to happen. we never discuss this stuff. my family would never give me information about that. i would never ask. russian may have and i don't have to have this, but maybe they offer me the asylum because i believe russian was far about more

case my chase than i do. right. and maybe it was a thank you for you know, hey, you had the chance to turn on us when you didn't. i don't know. do you feel safe, ever returning to the united, the and you feel safe here? oh, absolutely. it is extremely search here for americans asked me all the time if that covers that yours to be safe and americans to be more safe in the cities here than they are at home. i say this a lot of people like back home i had a concealed weapons permit. i had to carry, hang on with me everywhere i went. and since i've been here, people ask you, what about your gun rights now? what's the need for it? you don't need a gun african american to say that that's really amazing. the driver expected. i have a friend from new york and he lives here. and he says he got marked on average 3 times a year in new york. it's just, it's really crazy and i filled the metro's here and people like where the people who, yeah, where's the feet? yes, i drove the videos that all the time and they always ask the same thing. like we chat as asked

a lot of strange questions on tick tock. recently he was asked if it's true that russia had run out of tomatoes. the american media often writes nonsense stories about russian and people believe them. so we decided to drive to the markets and see for our center supposed month. oh wow, look at this place. funny. on the fish a feel next week, the fisher and 5. yeah. yeah. i think i used to be really nice people and yeah, yeah, yeah. i've come to spy on your find everybody as a they have tomatoes here or not. they said russian. okay, just a minute and let's take a look. i think there's okay, so tell me does that look like that's a main audience? the tomato i like yeah. tomatoes, tomatoes, tomatoes, all the way down to me is tomatoes, tomatoes, then all the way down command estimate estimate is. yeah. so

it's all 1st of all, look at these because i've seen this based on already. let's look joe, look right over here or look at the gigs. is that amazing? got $32.00 boys, $1.00 and $1.00 of the belly. okay. we're good. i keep counting kids. i'm so paranoid because of america and america. so you would have like tucked them into their jacket and walked toward yeah, very high swings. papa has to be careful not to push you too. hi. okay. your wife was telling me when she's on the forms for like mothers and america. yeah. that they talk about not letting their children, i guess not giving their children a gender. oh yeah. that's so weird. yeah. i mean, it's not like, yeah it's,

it's amazing 1000000000 in america, not all, but it seems like a small portion i'd say are just framed i've never been felt safe for my entire life than living here. moscow is, feels very safe by people help us around the city all the time. and moscow parks there everywhere. i mean, i've never had so much stuff for my kids to do ever in america the, the kids when they're like by themselves and you like panic. like where's their parents? somebody's gonna take the kids from down here the get the cities. yeah. they had a park for a kid called worlds of fun, thousands of people over a decade, thousands of kids. it was being run by peter range. and they were just taking kids and it was never getting reported on like these kids are just disappearing for these theme parks. listen, i'm talking on the use a tier just save. yeah. in some ways i feel like i've already fulfilled my dream.

i've gotten them out right now. it is just about stabilize. right. so that, that to me is the most important people like want to talk about, you know, oh, it's a, it's a bad thing to do something if you're running away, i get those comments on social media all the time. why did you run? mm. i didn't run, i let you know that this horrible thing that happened with the crocus. right. and everybody is like calling me from the states. hey, are you okay huh. and i'm like, what do you mean? should i be calling you every, every week? right? every day i cool. you live in chicago, should i call you on saturdays in the morning? are you okay? one thing has happened, which is truly horrible. but since what the ninety's to 2000. yeah. and, and, and you're calling me to see if i'm ok. no, i'm concerned about you the what are your future plans? so i am looking for a job now that i'm asylum i can work here legally. so that's great. i like to find

a public speaking job or maybe something and media on tv, something and st. petersburg though because i don't want to move them off, but most was great. but st. petersburg, my job, what do you like most about st. petersburg? why do you like this city? you know, i've, i've traveled to almost 70 countries. i've lived and 12, and it's really my experience of an entire world. i mean, the people here as you see, if you even slightly brush into somewhat of it or something. so they hold the doors feels like you're living in a small town. there's something magical about the city to me, the snappy here in time. i just want to come back in tomorrow. religion and country road to deal with my goats and my dogs and cats and like change i love reading change. so it's all i can describe and that is where you feel like it don't have to be your land. it can be where you're located,

where you are in wired way or an example to other people. our plans. now i'm a c, meaning you're going to go for citizenship. absolutely, and you're not looking back. the sound of this out of you, i get it is i totally get it. i've got about 6 or 7 people that want to come visit this year. right. but i've worn every single one of them. i said, you know, the worst part about visiting russia is when you get here, you don't want to lease 100 percent. so it's, you want to be a russian citizen. he asked me to about you to you want to be a russian would absolutely love to do it. ready ready the

if you think about a rush you, what is your mind the picture? the bottom landscapes open up the fully lines the water one. do you imagine the, the discounts dodge the journey? the, the you ready to come along? the reason

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invalid. the certainly ish the hello and welcome to cross stock. were all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle . the trumpet administration has quickly realized ending the ukraine complex is going to be difficult and time consuming. also, there is a growing understanding that the end of fighting does not necessarily mean creating the conditions of peace. the cross walk in ukraine, i'm joined by my guess, am proud in london. he is a senior british diplomat and author.