the, the, [000:00:00;00] the piano, the moon, but he, i q band t from in campbell county in the republic of kansas. as we continue our conversations about the continent of africa with today, focus on a subject that is very painful to wrap our minds around the conflict between the democratic republic of congo

and rolanda. and in order to understand and appreciate that conflict, we must always go back to history. we must always remind ourselves that these conflicts that we encounter into the continent of africa as a result of the petition of the continent. when a judy is come, brag in your area was alive. and he was asked at one time about the problem in congo at that time. it was known as a he reminded these audience is that these board does that. we inherited part of the problem. it is important to note that they did in 1963. when most countries that regained independence do are those during the add this up of a meeting one and the board has to be re negotiate. the coma

said no or not. so said no, no, to say no on a 2nd to me thing was actually held in a kylie a 1964 at which it was resolved that the colonial boundaries should be any day. and it is call, or the doctrine of the inner viability of colonial boundaries. it is in that context that we must see the conflict in congo because when the belgians to what is the now the democratic republic of congo, there was a time when rolanda on the balloon, the actually controlled by the germans. and it was then, or there was then known as the one though, and then they became cross territories of the belgians. and that is what most people know, but not the time the boundary as well. such a niche. is that a large segment of the one these?

why in the i've seen the thoughts the kingdom was awfully in the d. r. c on some of them was to be found in what is present day one the on the present day wounded. so when the 1st the program started in one day, when the more not cause removed in 1959, when there was a must have caught on the top, see why this bus, the different parts of africa, particularly in uganda. some found themselves in tons and the, and of cause some remained in east on google. that in my view was the genesis of the programs that we see today. and it is also around resources. it must not just be seen as an estimate conflict. as somebody said, coma, i think, i think it is much in meredith in his book, the fortunes of africa. he said that the congo is saw in the house with minerals,

some of the least conservatively estimate that there is that 4.3.4000000 west of minerals in the democratic republic of congo. so because of the history of con, was started with the conflict number one with the immunization of the moon. but number 2, with the 5, the attempted succession of that down the on of costs. the conflicts have generated on environment where there is a conflict on it. came to a head when demo, but the jim was collapsing when demo, but the resume was collapsing on the hall. the city of bella was then beginning to mount as fight, abuse the move with the resume. it is instructive that the administrations of for the government at that time and you ready for a good that was 70 in uganda. why in the forefront of supporting the could be left of us and then did when the forces found themselves moving to the assessor. they

were led to by that one day as far as i know, a friend of mine who has been the general and is now the military or intelligence adviser in uh, in, in, in one. so the problem i applied a different part of the time, and the company is the government, the company's administration, during the could be the one that is a be the hall when he was assessing, acted on the son to called joseph gabriella. the program is one, not that many, but in 1909 to 6, something happened in fungal, which led to what is sometimes referred to as the african while the war. there are so many countries involved in that war. in 1996, there was the being fight under. it is estimated the nearly 1000000, depending on who you are talking to 1000000 dead and the millions of costs

displaced on this in itself. did create a problem where the company's administration one now beginning to say that the one d is in the congo, must go back to the one on the play in the home. they are calling bid. when dave was saying, we are not one these. we are all these we were born here and it is the boundaries that separated us from off tips on can in what is present day one. so as a result of that, they have been many attempts at peace. we know that the united nations has the funding for us that the is present in congo even as we speak. so there has been on attempt at the mediation by the you and it is important to note that the democratic republic of congo is a member of 3 regional organizations. the solid, soft within the region. it is a member, it is also a member of the central office technician and has been admitted into the east

african community. that is why all these attempts at mediation i've always been taking place, but somehow this has not worked as well. and we now have a foss, which is the m $23.00, and they have been a 2 vision, so which have been documented even by the united nation, that the m $23.00 get some logistical support from the land. but the one day is government has always been p a that these individuals are fighting for the 33. they may share something with us in terms of ethnic origin, but they are communities they may call themselves by normal landscape, but the communities and i think the thought is not to be disputed. and the question then is how to use all of this. and those things have happened in there isn't past this article community and through the countryside, just can you and uganda to the of forces to the democratic republic of congo, particularly in the eastern,

but to preserve peace. but the companies was very unhappy because there was what then was called the night road, the initiative, which did not go very fast. they then went back the side deck on the side of the supply, the forces during the administration of robot god being will god be. and even now during the administration of the prison well known god bless. and that too, has not done much in terms of resolving this, but the place the question then has been, if it is true that the one that is involved, if it is true, that uganda is involved. if it is true that the democratic republic of congo is unhappy with these, particularly with the one, what then must be done on the ongoing basis. negotiation has come from a very unusual course. child is on board and many uh the meetings that

i've been held in on going on in the month of november of 2020 full june the head of stay summit in russia in 1000. yeah. it was a not to the is of the president of global ship and they did not attend because he did not want to meet for them to come down. and of course, then forgotten me. it was all ready to meet. they thought it would be negotiated, but cindy office as well at present. and one of the things that was raised during that meeting is that there is need to support the ongoing initiative. so you sort of p a now that a number of things, i've been upset, that there is a conflict which is of a diverse stating kind and that there is need to ensure that that conflict is brought to an end and that, that will require, among other things that the forces that are being supported by one that as it is

now documented by the u. n. and the forces that seem to be the cussing instability and that's part of the area ought to be brought to the negotiation table. but it is also important to note that even as we talk about the m 23, which is one of the better organized, varies documentation of this to show that they are nearly 120 the groups in it's on the phone where alone passed even more, and this must be understood in the context of external hunch, external himes to mean individuals and private companies, which i involved in mining in the democratic republic of phone, with, based on federal risk. and they have these, i'm the groups, we provide them with security. so this isn't a view of focusing on the $23.00. the question is, what are you going to do with these groups which uh, not under any formal command, but which follows

a threat to the democratic republic of congo. i know that the meeting over child and so we've brought together presents just your kid and for them to guide me. i've now agreed that there is a need for us ceasefire on one hopes that in the not too distant future, the competence of the front is in dispute would be brought together. and one of the things that for the child are and so as i said, which i think is critical, is that for the purposes of negotiation, we ought not to apportion blame that for the purposes of ensuring that the see is fire or is it is important that the font is come to the table with a clean hot, and they have been reminded times without number that in did in the context of each task. because even in the context, those sides of it is important that they all agreed to us is fire. and when they

have but staples is fire, that is when you can now begin to negotiate us to the offshore as it ends of the people who are called in to dispute and who are the source of this program. but what is clear and what is historically documented is that this conflict is a conflict. we charge the troops because of the colonial boundaries and this colonial boundaries divided peoples in a mind. uh that was that one's a bit tricky and painful and that it is now in comment upon the administration, both in the democratic republic of bumble and in the republic of london to ensure that they allow the young girl a process to be successful because it has the mud as the most acceptable, the more stable and the one that is pointing, the fact is in the right direction. and the mood is also right. the mood is right that the companies, but additions on the code,

the one these but additions appear to be comfortable with for the child or and so on. perhaps the fact that these 5, the move down day non goal is very useful. and in this regard, i look forward to the day when the d. s. a and one to would sit at the table of negotiation and they would come out and this will break out and they will collaborate as brothers and sisters. and based off of the community side doc, and of course, the continental bye. thank you very much. we have continue with our conversations on the continent of africa, but let us take a break. we'll come back to continue with the conversation. the take a fresh look around, there's a life kaleidoscopic, isn't just

a shifted reality distortion by power to division with no real opinions fixtures designed to simplify. it will confuse really once a better wills, and is it just as a chosen few fractured images presented as fast? can you see through their illusions, going underground can the i am theater to move, but here in the center of night road, this city in the republic of kenya. and as we continue to focus on the continent of africa, today, we focus on the critical question of the industrialized vision of the mazda

continent. it is always important that the we realize that the mazda continent is divided into a 50 full or countries courtesy of the colonizer, as with the diabolical conference in violin, in 18841880 5. when the struggle for independence started in on is the need as of the day, was quite clear that if i recall was to realize potential she had during dumpster dies on. we see these attempts of industrialized vision as ali, uh, the 1900 on 50 is when gum on, i'm good enough. start who's saying all of egypt. nice. generalize this. this was kind of, oh, it is all about the attempt of industrialization. when his thoughts,