in the higher end, it's still unclear by the way, if he'll return to israel before the next host of release on such a day for now, he remains in you asked preparing for a visit with trump scheduled for tuesday. that could really we shape the region. well, that's all for me this month. i appreciate your company next up. it's way to rouble on and you hope you'll be able to join. have some more news on the the, [000:00:00;00]

the welcome to cross stock bull horns. were all things are considered on peter level? this trump actually have a plan to end the ukraine conflict. it doesn't appear so also the new administration is actively backing a plan to forcibly displace palestinians. in other words, ethnic cleansing. will trump soon be known as genocide? done to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, jordan, samuel, we in budapest, he's a pod cast or at the goggle, which can be found on youtube and locals. and here in moscow we have marks la boulder. he is an international relations and security analyst, or a gentleman cross type rules in effect, that means you can jump any time you want, and i always appreciate it, right, let's kick it off with the mark here in moscow. again, it's early days for this administration, but when trump came in, even as a candidate, he touted that he within the conflict in ukraine. and he's made a number of pronouncements all over the place, at least that's how i see it. um,

and the latest thing is that, um, as part of this process, the trump plan, there has to be elections in ukraine. what's that all about in total? and total more? what's going on here? maybe nothing is going on here. what's your thoughts? okay, so a little over a week ago, donald trump made a post on, on his social media truth social, where he made what is essentially threats and ultimatums to the russian government. this is the way that he often speaks to the american public right in a populist what a with screaming capital letters and demands and whatnot. he called the war ridiculous. he said he was trying to do. the raja government of failure are a favor that their economy was failing which is absolutely false that they had

suffered extremely high casualties. which, you know, compared at least to the average name is totally false and a bit of, uh, uh, care of american or at least by new ministration propaganda. and he sounded like a cross between a petulant child and a want to be mafia. don, no, no pun intended, on the dawn. so he, this was, we have to say probably absorbed with a grain of salt in, in moscow there wasn't much direct comment. certainly nothing from the russian president on this and simply with the threats of, of sanctions, terrorist and taxes as, as if terrorist and taxes were a factor us at all. i don't really understand. but donald trump seems to like the words, the russian presidential spokesman. so there's nothing new there. you know, we've weathered 24002nd since from the west at this point there's there's

absolutely nothing interesting for us in this but yeah. but see the website. okay. black go ahead. i think there's been a reassessment. i think the for one thing we've heard from uh trumps. nominal piece on boy, the retired general kellogg, that the 100 days is out the window. all right, i mean at 1st we run 24 hours in that a 100 days and then they were talking 6 months. and now it's, this is extremely complicated and it may take some time, right? and, and so that's completely out. plus, i think we've received some other signal. trump has made some comments about being in serious discussions already with the russians. the russians say that's not happening, at least not at any high level. there has been no direct phone calls. the only direct communication so far has been that childish a social media post, but i would say that what it appears to be right now is the trump administration is

reassessing and realizing how little leverage they have over the situation. and i think that is perhaps one of the most hopeful signs. quiet right now is actually good because it means they're taking a serious look at what's going on. that said, if there's quiet for too long, if russia in the us continue, if boot and then, and trump still don't even have a phone call right a month from now, then that is a sign of worried because that can become the new settlement norm. a. yeah, but best buy. okay. the given when mark said george, i mean a, they'd kind of confirms that they really have never had a policy. and now, because of a serious look at it shows the number of challenges here mark did mention didn't mention something that is always in the cards. and it's something that george and i

have talked about a great deal. is it? well, why not just keep it going, george? well, i think that so do most likely outcome because if there isn't any um the very 1st step, some kind of a telephone call between uh trump and boots and, and following on from that some kind of a, a. so fall is between trump and pull to and then i think it's uh, that there's no real prospect all of anything very much on the horizon. and then the, the, the most recent beams of you, of given by general kellogg you gave, with the, on the fox news, the integrated, the something really very much, although then kellogg's face in trauma, the ability um, as a deal lake and he, over and over again kellog mentioned this, the bread bad. well, you know, trump is the, is a, do you make a, he's a, do you make a those have been in charge? everybody knows,

at least that's the mythology around trouble. but what is the deal? and that's exactly it, but we haven't had the deal. i mean, fact if you go back to his 1st, um he really didn't make any deals. and so what we have at the moment then is trump and tell or expressing some of your grade. great optimism that they're there, they're moving towards something, but there's no indication because as, as far as one can understand what, what the drum plan is of the, from the deal is which as well as freeze the conflict in place. so it's just, uh, in, you know, in the fighting now as it was, sees find out. um, is this now uh, let's, let's put off the, the nato business, you know, into the. yeah, but it's yours. yeah, that's all unilateral, that's all the unilateral that say that there's nothing. there's nothing in the, in that sort of plan that would appeal to anyone. it's not in the suddenly,

it makes no sense for russia to accept as, as the spot in place. not a rustle have not gained anything very much. ukraine was certainly not accept anything like that. so, but that's, that's the drum plan. the only book full, full aspect of all of these a year, which i think is, and there is a different tone coming from the trump administration, as opposed to the binding the most are the only hope is they really don't want this will. they really don't like this war. they think this is a, a terrible thing for america. they want to focus on other things. and they are all speaking and very different ways from the way, the, by the ministration spoken the way nato squared, which is what we're going to keep it going. and you know, that you know nothing without. and that's nothing about ukraine without ukraine, as long as it takes them, whatever that's coming out of the window, whether that materializes, anything to any serious uh, you know, uh, negotiate the changes. i know. oh, yeah. but you know, mark is the, the phrase came to me when, when i was thinking about doing this program,

play stupid games and you get stupid prizes. and this is what we've gotten mark. yes. um, i mean this, unfortunately, i think it's certainly situation that the binding, the ministration was the one most involved in the stupid game making. and unfortunately at least one from what we know of of his priorities. donald trump is the one who is bit one of the big stupid prize here. i mean he's, he's the one who has to take the big l or continue on with divide ministration plan. however, i would say usually i am the cynic and the pessimist. oh no, no, jack, you and george are very, yeah, headed okay. i'll of such things, particularly with donald trump, and i would say yes, quite obviously, his administration has no plan or if they had a plan, it's already been thrown out the window because the russians have made clear in numerous public statements,

including repeatedly from putting themselves what they are not interested in right . one thing is they're not interested in ceasefire. what whatsoever, there will be no ceasefire. we played that game before. it was mens $1.00 and $2.00 were not giving the key every same time to re arm retrain and and, and give them a breather. no, we're waiting. now we're going to continue until there's a final settlement. also, the whole idea of you peacekeepers on the ground, not operating. i mean, you, you, you couldn't put that in there in the middle of the war. you're not going to, you're not going to win that way afterwards. right. they're still nato troops, right. whatever have they or where it, however, i would say i've seen one positive, even optimistic, maybe data points. and that is general kellogg mentioning as you briefly alluded to, the idea that there should be elections in ukraine. right? because uh, currently zelinski, even according to the quote and elections as they have happened in ukraine since 2014,

despite more than 20 p o o essentially all non my gone party is have been banned in the country, right? all parties representing east, you gray, know all the left as parties in the country. so i don't consider any elections in ukraine legitimate. but that being said, boston has made clear that zalinski has passed his presidential expiration date. he's only continuing under presidential power is due to repeated declarations of, of, uh, emergency connected with the conflict. and so therefore that he is not a leader. he can't legally sign anything. right. he, even if they agreed right at a to sit down and talk and agreed to a deal that russia could never rely on. it can ever be settled because of future ukrainian ministration could always say he didn't have the power to sign that right . it, it has no legal validity, and it seems the americans are taking this seriously for the 1st time because they

have never mentioned the elections in ukraine before. and now suddenly they are after put and brought it up again in the last week. so, so they're not talking to each other on the phone, but they're talking mega phone diplomacy, social media, public statements, back and forth. and at least there's a sign that the trump administration is suddenly listening and taking seriously with the russian government is saying, even if there's no hope of of final settlement right there listening. and that hasn't happened in the last 3 years without george. what is this is a gamut of uh, is this a, a new narrative to, to say, well, the, you create, the ukrainian people have decided it was their decision. yeah, i don't quite see the significance of it because really, ukraine isn't calling the shots here. ukraine. whoever is in charge is essentially a wholly owned dependency of nato, and that means all of the united states. so as the united states,

that will decide whether this war comes to an end or that we continue with this was so the issue of whether the zalinski is empowering key of or somebody else, some of the, some, you know, new a new phase. thanks so much, i don't think it makes any difference. the only thing that matches is whether the united states wants to go on funding. there's an ultimately that's, that's always going to be the case because remember everybody who is expected trump to come to the, the, whatever the negotiator was able to come to office and say, you know, what? was sick of ukraine with cutting off a t. that's what i'm going to do it anymore. this isn't the end, so it doesn't. so our interest, if so, trunk has not said that. i mean that the mazda alluded to that the tweet will, that trains that you sent out in which you seem to blame. yeah, well gosh, for the continuation of the which was also dis friends from what he had said before

. i'm which people had to assume he believed, which is that it's, it's ukraine, but it's keeping the world going and it's the american. so supporting your brain even go now, if the truck but to say that we need to couple of you probably know that that would make the difference. make the difference right gentlemen, i'm going to jump it in here. we're going to go to a hard break, and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on some real new stay with our to the take a fresh look around his life. kaleidoscopic isn't just a shifted reality distortion by power, tired vision with no real opinions. fixtures designed to simplify will confuse really one say better wills, and is it just as a chosen few fractured images presented to this, but can you see through their illusion going underground?

can the show seemed wrong just on the safe house and engagement? because the trail when so many find themselves worlds of parts, we choose to look for common ground, the the welcome back to the prospect bull horns were all things we considered on peter lavelle. george, we've heard of coming out of the trump uh,

administration on 2 different occasions. the 1st time was it was more off the cuff and we didn't see any video was trump on air force one. and he was basically saying that, um, um, the situation and uh in because it has to be cleaned up or words that effect here. and basically talking about the, populating a garza and i guess presumably one would say the west bank. but the wasn't mentioned directly. but the word what the word wasn't used in american media, but everywhere else it's a ethnic cleansing. he double down, tripled down. quadrupled down in and in a different uh, as a subsequent occasion here. um, do we take this seriously? because as i said in my introduction, trump probably doesn't want to be called genocide done. is this going to, let's move these people. and of course the radical right in israel is welcome this

. i mean they're singing to the heavens. this is exactly what they wanted for a very long time. now they have an american president. i'm stating it publicly. what are your thoughts? just i thought it was very strange to be honest with it because um, the other he was stopped at of uh, is administration with steve wick off his emissary. uh, going to um israel and sending them height. you've got to get with the program. you've got to agree to this, so hostage of prison the deal uh immediately you know, some sabbath, no sabbath, you know we, we get it done now. um, and width of himself. he was in gaza, which is a septic. what quite a thing for, for an american official actually to visit guys. and so this is quite shocking. what i've seen, there's nothing less this a, i mean this is best would be complete to destroy it. i mean, this is going to take 15 years to rebid. oh. so you know, this was a, a different tone. and then, and then trump was

a talking in this way. and as you said, you know, double down triple down, one group off, which itself is surprising. because trump himself has never really been illogically, particularly committed to is what he did. they've been during his 1st of them because he needed the money. you need the this, the donors. so, you know, from the design is little bit up until then you have the, the said nothing particularly noteworthy about is what they did in 2015, 2016. when he arrived. he promised and even hand the approach to the middle east is . so i'm going to come up with a great deal um between the israel and the palestinians. so now is come up with this. egypt and jordan have both absolutely ruled it out. now. he can then say, yeah, but we can, we, you know, we have leverage over that and, you know, basically, you know, the dependencies allows, we can, you know, really, uh, press them. if it goes down, i thought it really does threaten egypt. hey,

we're going to withhold the, you know, the annual full $1000000000.00, the pension to you, unless you play ball with us. easy. those go down that far. i think that's kind of the end of his any kind of them. at least the agenda is gonna lose saudi arabia's gonna lose all the gal stage. now i'm going to have anything to do with him. then i'm going to go along with he is. um um you know, he's uh he is of the abraham of quotes or anything else. so, you know, if that's what he wants to do, if he wants to just align himself, but you know, with, with uh, with israel become, is this a general so i dont then that's it, but that's, that's the end of his release agenda. probably also the end of his administration, i think it's going to be like it'll fade out as a, as dismally as the bite. know then just ration, say to what do you think mart is this? again, you know, you never can tell with trump because he does. his diplomacy is his banter to the public. it's the word megaphone has already been mentioned here. is this an opening

gambit? isn't it a um, a sugar ring, a deal with is real. you know, it's hard to say what he really thinks about this because we all know he's not, you know, particularly well versed in these issues. mark. yeah, i think maybe we're talking about different trump administrations because my recollection of the 1st trump administration is that there has never been a u. s. presidential administration or in bed with an in line with israel. uh then you know, previously, i mean that that is the culmination. and we, i was absolutely certain when we heard about letting yahoo suddenly accepting a ceasefire proposal that he had rejected out of hand from the biden administration a year earlier and doing it without much public complaint. and carrying, throw on it that there had to be carrots involved as well as fix. and now we can

see clearly what the car it is is that trump would get fully behind the ethnic cleansing of the palestinians out of palestine. right, which it must be said has been the policy of every is really and every us president, for decades since 19 sixty's. right. that has been the quiet not said policy. it's just been occurring one settlement, one house bows at a time. right. that is the settling process, the colonization of palestine by what are essentially, you know, us and european jewish or to immigrants you know, to well, palestine uh, you know, in, in, on behalf of israel. um, so for the greater israel project, um, so now it's the quiet part is being said out loud. obviously the time table is

vastly accelerated. everything is now considered different. the bind administration already approached this, blinking went to egypt and jordan and tried to get them to open the borders. everyone who was paying attention know what that was about. they did it say we want to move all the palestinians outright. they're talking about refugees. but with the conflict and everything, but that was obviously egypt enjoy ever. but the what but isn't the best really the selling point george? i mean is cool. is this may sound, is it? well, no more bombing, you know, no more demolition. i mean, we just have to move these people out. i mean, we don't want to be like the bite administration we don't want. i mean, it, it's, it's a cold, a deflection way they would, they don't want to go, you know, we, we don't support, you know, what was happening for 15 months. they are, we have a better solution and with it, yeah, our own boy went there. nobody can live here. i mean is this what the, how they're trying to sell this? and again, it's already been

a little bit to this would include the west bank as well. not just because at george. well, let maybe the idea behind is, but it's a, it's an insane idea and it's, it's called work. i mean, each shift. um, so 40 years ever since the uh, the signing of the uh, the cam that was almost 50 years now ever since the signing of the camp david accords has point blank, refused to cooperate with any of the plans in campaign. um within was fine. jordan has refused to cooperate with that. i mean, well this will be absolutely insane for any leader of egypt, any leader of jordan, to go along with what would be millions of people being displayed. i mean, there's low, there's low rate for them. there's no money to house, but yeah, but as your guys medical, you're just creating terrorism. you would destroy the egyptian stadium of destroying jordan. well, george, these are vassal states of the united states. they can have resumed change. i'm sorry, i'm just cynical is cynical, was both of you. well,

if these 2 lead leaders are a barrier, then we should replace them. george, how's it go try. i mean that best possible they could try. but again, if you don't do that, you're going to create an absolute uh, tell them, well, in the neighborhood. so what you're going to do it gabe, for hold big, big country. i mean, you turn turmoil for home, mark. yeah, good. turn the israel for is real, for everyone, right? for, for egypt, for israel and for the united states. because if you remove the cc home is a quote unquote elected military dictate, or he came to power over throwing a popularly elected is law, missed government, right? very close to home us, right? and i'll cc the current uh, egyptian government. they don't like come off, right? they're, they're against the muslim brotherhood. they consider home of the palestinian muslim brotherhood. but they, as you said,

they don't walk 4 or 5000000 more palestinian refugees. egypt is, has such a uh, you know, young focus demographics, so much unemployment so much poverty. they exist off of subsidies. i'm economically from saudi arabia and the entire egypt sin military is. this is one of the biggest recipients of u. s. military aid. but they, they just can't do it. they can't absorb these refugees. they know they can't. right. and they don't want to be the ones culpable for the genocide. uh, you know, the, uh, inactive genocide, the ethnic cleansing of the palestinian people out of palestine. no matter how much pressure um trump towards on egypt, i simply can't see it happening. or the iranians have trolling tongue in cheek suggested in an alternative solution that instead, right to bring as, as donald trump finally have some piece in the region, right?

we could simply move the israelis from israel and we could re settled them in donald trump's newly conquered greenwood. i interestingly enough, neither the israelis nor the people of greenland seemed overly embarrassed by that idea. but maybe that will port in the context for americans who are, you know, die hard, israel, 1st supporters for whatever reason. i really can't find them other than christian zionism that you know what it would mean to move all of the palestinian people out of palestine simply to make what jared questionnaire said. you know, a beach front property available for investment. well, i mean, but the poverty of this whole situation gentlemen, i'm going to george now is that the active genocide is re ignited after a certain interval. we know that the so called cease fire is going to collapse in nano seconds after the last hostage leaves

a mouse or gaza captivity. we know that. okay, so maybe this is just an interlude until then it's possible. but the, this is why i was talking about the trumps peculiarity is the trump has low and this is the logical commitment. i mean, mog is right, he, what he puts you during this 1st of went far beyond any of the things that any previous administration had done in catering to israel wins. but he did it in order to get money in order to generate a revenue for his re election campaign. now he can just come, come and look at it in a different way. if he goes down this boss of essentially signing off on the eighty's, really gen assignments wipe, also bill do. i think that it will be able destroy his administration. he will be there. we're going to get over to revile in the united states and he will be seen as having facilitated and presided over this horrific of genocide fall worse than

anything we've seen since 1948. is that what he wants? is that what he wants to be? yeah, them is like ministration. i doubted it's very interesting. we've already, in the very short time, he's been in office, he makes constant references to real estate. we solve that on in all your ration day. now we say to very, very interesting them are the moral issue here doesn't ever seem to arise to the, to the for gentlemen fascinating discussion. so little time. so it might so many interesting things is i want to thank my guess in budapest and here in moscow. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here to our t, z and next time. remember the prospect, bruce, the

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