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the live from moscow. this is our 2 international welcome to then use our the head to head between team from 2.2 and the federal government is reaching new heights. chief of the newly established u. s. department of government efficiency on most stays. the american agency of international development must be shut down because it's impossible to fix. and your savvy is a ball of want me to right. there is no apples. and there is no apple this, this, you just gotta basically get rid of the whole thing, falls apart for the us. a i d ones, one of washington's most feared foreign policy tools. and now pardon me, in need of aid itself. why? because it's found itself in the process of both the us, president honest, we just had the world's richest mind. the trauma read has been building ever since

trump took off that sweetie food. hundreds of its employees helping fire disabilities to defend funds has been frozen for 90 days. uh, its website was put offline, its twits, a page went dark and now apparently most wants to bury it. so he's really taking his, his mutual serious see, the finest real seems to have been to him when 2 members of his cost cotton team tried to gain access to a part of the agencies headquarters in d. c. they were actually denied entry, apparently because of lack of security clearance as a result to top officials about she's been put on leave. and now we've got all these room is of corruption, even criminality swelling. and the agency really doesn't do anything to the bunks. he's accusations with behavior like this. there we're going to support humanitarian efforts and uh,

in ukraine. so i wanted to know exactly how those dollars were being spent. we got all kinds of threats from usa id because i was trying to exercise my oversight capacity in congress. so it's quite the food from grace, full usa id, which of course has been long, a daunting of the american. miss gwinnett, it must really is not missing words when he does his discussing usaa. you've talked in broad terms about criminality and corruption. do you have any specifics? well, the one who's talking a detailed provide to the notice he's been watching on teeth. the last couple of years as relates to us, a i d 's involvement in and i'm going to these are generous here. global health initiatives. did you know that us aid using your tax dollars funded by a weapon research, including cobit 19 that killed millions of people? well, this is significant, why it's significant because often tool now from the us it has been denied deny to not most famously, but for a new lens, denied at the pentagon,

then it denied defending yes. okay. we do support system lives in ukraine and africa for example. personal for the good of mankind were developing vaccines with ensuring that there's no outbreak of infectious diseases. whereas most was point to something much more sinister. he's saying, but that research was about creating weapons, overall of mass destruction. this is something that most go has been warning about for years now, and in fact, it's full. but one of the main reasons that one of russia's top generals was assassinated at the end of last year was precisely because he was at the forefront of exposing this us government sponsored abuse of dangerous passages. which if nice could re total, how the con, the welsh. yeah. can you give us some more background here to usa idea? it's an agency agency that really is no stranger to controversy. no, i mean it is a for an aide, but he must its functions and over a $150.00 countries it's got

a bunch of nitty $50000000000.00. basically it hands out money so it dissolves to release of fighting poverty. but also, and this is where it gets the controversial, it channels funds into civil activism. our claims, of course is what about promoting democracy? it's a empowering the people. but the issue is, who incidentally, us a id choose is to empower people in nations. what government policies don't align with american and trust and co, incidentally, why us cash slows very often most protests and sometimes even cruise take place. now the most obvious example of this is ukraine, usa, i. d had been active, that's the over 2 decades. and it's what really culminated in the 2014 my done crew . this was admitted by r s. k junior, the nephew of the very man who actually found to be agency j, f k u as a id,

which is the front point $5000000000.00. and the funding those riots, those riots lead to the, to it could a tie against the 1st elect, the democratically elected government of the ukraine a month before that government is over on victoria new. and was, you know, the top part of the center piece of the economy, the ology and who is now a high level official. and the state department has a secret call with the u. s. and pastor, which is tape recorded and is now public, which anybody can go and look up where she is picking the new cabinets, the ukraine, ukraine. it really is just the tip of the iceberg. a host of global need does have accused usa idea of really pushing for that. a doubtful. i mean, just to highlight reel by the rest of the 2020 mass protest us sponsoring of position groups incentives. way not. it was actually picks out of bolivia by as

president morales off the he on carpet. they had been funding set protest groups and some of the nations which just regions lots of listing. but let's not forget, it was also impact stone and syria. and i'm actually what the agencies burying a torres had some of the powers visited budapest, hungary, the suppose is your pin nation, which does not tow the line. we know one issues like the l g, b, t, or ukraine port to just to erupt of saying 0 color red produce an incoming. last but not least, we have georgia, the american tax payers money cannot be used to organize a revolution in georgia. do you remember the canvas training when representatives of the cultural spear were trained to organize a revolution in georgia? us a id, money was used specifically for this. the trump administration stated that american funding, american tax payer money was being used to destabilize the situation in other

countries. and to create revolutionary scenarios, we can save time on again, why usa i take pops up very close behind, very often as instability and often violence. becky impulse, the question, i won't point this, coincidence become a pass and at what point does a pattern become a strategy? yeah, so you mentioned the strategy strategy requires money. what, what are the numbers we're talking about here? let's put it this way. what i meant when you put your head double up, put triplet times it by 10 us a id is one of washington's most well funded offices. usaid, by the way, is a $50000000000.00 budget. the entirety of the intelligence community is only 72000000000. so it is as more than the c i a in more than the state department. wow . and it is basically a usaid is effectively a switch player to, to assist the pentagon with, with it on the national security front to assist the state department on the national interest front. or to assist the intelligence community on a, on

a sort of clandestine operations. now people might accuse me of cynicism, they say no, it's usa idea. it's just charitable, but we also need to be realistic. the world of great power point a 6 is not one of self. smith's, it is a game of the new frame of looking for weak spot. so investing and then guaranteeing a return on your investment usa id is a normal budget, is a reflection supposed to be the greatest reflection of the senate for role that it has played in manifesting some of the white houses great to streams of shape. pick the wild as best suits washington's interest. it isn't all that stops in the open office and spread floating around the world. so you chop off the on the power point for office diminishes. that is why this is such a big story and that is why walks and regime change and sees yes in dc up in ok. well i'm delighted to welcome live on to the program now i professor of

political science at how long university in egypt dr. my good buttress. thank you so much sir. for your your time today. what do you think is the primary reason the trump administration is seeking to shut dime usa id? i have to shed some light to the see is the dean changing the incident? i know the us national security is based on 3 inputs on we call it and pull up its 3 days the fence managed by the department of defense diplomacy managed by the department of state and development, which is managed by u. s. a r d. no. why it's so important because in 1961, it was created by the congress as part of the eh, a assistance to reward. so barnstead,

she is created by the congress. it must be these old only by congress not to buy at executive order by the president. now, how would this be managed? it's been managed by 3 parties. the president be the head of the department of state, which is uh the, um, uh, what's his name um the id as well. yeah. yeah. and the national security council. so the national security council has a major role in this. so we are talking about that i can't play you in the u. s. national security. we are talking about the main tool of the u. s. national security. and so what's happening now,

what's happening is the trump administration of always the drain, judy, judy yates, and formulate a policy of i. so i, so they shoot me zoom in the u. s, which might be very destructive to deliberate age of b. u. s. big, socio economic and political, the dominance of the word. so we're talking about the polar system to now, what would you, would you not agree that for your after seeing the us as being dog good, by bloated and this, that it, it hadn't been called into question about the records that, that were there. and they needed somebody a sledge hammer to come in and do this. i'm totally agree with this because i totally believe that this would be charged by the congress members and by

the us 8 percent of its adult of chaos. when you have people at the verge of the midnight having the mean don't come to the court this tomorrow . what do you get about 3 so than 700 employees. it was in washington dc. i bought from a 7. so the, the $300.00 abroad. we are thinking about and english issues we are talking about the need for humanitarian aid, a crisis. uh, what is what we are talking about, the executives who have diplomatic passports. but they should be multi 515 days before. uh, they are laid off all understood, but i, i'm just interested in how much good though it was actually doing usa usa id

because it's long as being done by culture 1st and you are a nation. during the art of spring, egyptian authorities alleged that the protests were largely funded by the agency. how impactful was the, the agencies that involvement during that time? what happened in ukraine was identical to what happened in egypt, and there were um, what was called 7 activists who would hire by the u. s. a r d and the um, the agency for international development. uh, this agency for international development pulled up a sub for uh the us intelligence. why? because the was sent to uh for my love. yeah. instead of you to learn how to a wage,

a city more how to the demonstrations and this, the blogs, the country that they spent, like 6 months there, they're receiving very generous funds to do this. not only this, but the us a cup of $50000000.00. what do you use from the nomic design? can i'm in need of development, the project to many, to be an aide, to give to those civil activists uh to this, the blogs, egypt. i mean, that was proven, and that is a very solid evidence of this, that in the u. s. the documents. very interesting indeed at thank you very much for your time today at marco rubio will not be healthy that we both forgot his name, but he's new. so with he'll let us all for now. i'm sure professor of political science at egypt. how one university dr. miguel busters always good to see you,

sir. thank you, sir. to what we spoke on this issue with the editor in chief of the is not about telegraph pockets on base current, a 1st sight. he describes usa id as a call him do it one which washington use us to infiltrate and undermine southern states. this is really a big step for the, for the top items dition to put that on there because the, you know, the focus on, i've been doing this is 19 and 19 eighties, 1919, but on do do yours. and i even focus on is actually the open the door for us as a printers. and i know you know, that is one of the can be done that for every is. and i believe everything through the united states and these are all us. it has been doing by the united states of

america to mother, to angel parent into the if you believe that in general, of matches all the categories improve a project on the example for a while it's on a so city is a part of the company is like 5 or something, but i think is the best thing for you guys for all the can do this because most of the us it happened. so i thought you were deep cleaning jobs through the b as to the people and the with the, you know, all the time to include a pockets on the stand on the floor. that's right. let's walk and live onto the program. another great gas nigerian investigative journalist david hyundai in for more on this david, good to see you at us a i. d has already been bombed from operating in several countries. is there one the underlying reason for that? oh oh thats basic because um us a i d. first of all if you as a id much us aid as many people think it is,

it's not primarily an institution that concerns itself with channeling us for an 8 around the world. so this is usually that actually concerns itself with channeling funds intended for various corvette abrasions of the us intelligence community around the world. so for the countries that have more of an understanding of the importance of sovereignty and how american money funnel to also associated institutions in your country is never a good thing. those countries obviously, um, well before sites to restrict or outright the band, the operations of, of starts integration in their country. now, for those of us who don't have good fortune and coming from such countries such as me, um, you know, um menu of us in the global sales. we have been at the shooting and right, the shop and of the activities of us. the idea of what i can tell for a fact is that it's not, it's not

a good place to be because what essentially happens michigan has free range to operate and no country is that your, your government or the government of your country is doesn't function as the government of the people in that country they function is almost as an appendage of the us government. and for whatever reason, us government does not want the government to your country to be in place. then it is able to stage a raising change operation almost at the will this happening nigeria over the past decade in 2015. if you recall at the time nigeria was in the middle of a very interesting growth space, there were 2 major development blocks in the global south at the time, the brakes look, i'm the so called main spot mexico indonesian insurance a year was a purchase $600000000000.00 in g d p. was that because largest economy, i forgot the fastest growing economy on the worlds fastest growing economy to 7 on how a sense behind only china cuts are. and for whatever reason,

the us government's interpreted this state of affairs to be some sort of a threats to it's, um, do a political strategy for i forget, decided that the governments in place at the time was not acceptable. i have to be taken out. okay. and then this list, i'm opperation is racing change or color revolution. i some people call it. we took place in the form of an election. we witnessed space even before, you know, faces that you had similar things. we witnessed it 1st hand where 1st of all, the n t test, super site space, your country is weaponized against the interest of the country. so the us, instead of just status on those money threads, many part 9 friends, organizations, all your open society foundations. are you ford foundations and your my costs are foundations and all these spaces, your gates foundations. they are just pumping millions of dollars into a single site space and with your media space especially. so these sites all, in this case,

demonizing the government and essentially turning the whole country against the government that are giving it, it's best to cannot make out which is the seventy's. and what ended up happening was that goes into it. so you should be driven out to disgrace to dates. there's still this visceral hatred of that president's end up station. yeah, well, i mean, so if anything changes, thank you. as he has more than how major has most of the old generations, skilled labor, the to, and the gratian the, i mean the result speak from and share with you have the yeah that's, that's a very interesting, very interesting overview of somebody who was, who was there and so it happened, but can i push back with what supporters of us the id say they say very few monitor reinforced for good across countries, for instance, in africa. and they bought that off by saying, look, look at the younger that comes from, from certain people in groups in those countries that, that money is not being taken away as well. i mean,

you could also make the argument using that logic that uh the, the u. k or french, colonial golf minutes and after go it also a forceful good because they feel to the adults if you really lines on schools and hospitals or whatnot. regardless of the evil that any student is responsible for the fact that there is one or 2 things that some points one or 2 good things. so things that claim to be good, things that it does doesn't negates the other 90 percent of what the institution actually does. so for example, with this, this pitfall issue, which is like the big thing that has been discussed, that the h, i v a n c retroviral job programs across africa. or, you know, have any subsidized by the usa. i do. the 1st thing to know is that if us c id, which is basically the punching are these, you know, the state department's on see, eyes far inside of joint strategy. if the us, the id was the activity crippling the,

the potential of these countries to actually grow and become suffering economically, then these countries would not need that 8 in the 1st place. so us sticking the nice thing, someone's back, i'm giving the person medical 8. right, so the fact that you're giving that magically to somebody that's 1st of all. secondly, even the so called a bet is getting. so who is it getting to? so, you know, if anyone who is we something that would be n g o eco system in cape town, and i really be in a bush and knows that the primary beneficiaries of the so called to us for an or your pin for any of the comes in 1st and foremost is unexpected class, right? it's white people, 1st and foremost, and they'd stick hundreds of bachelors across. so, you know, middle class for, you know, well healed professionals and almost like right down at the bottom of prior to business, the people who the actually intended for. so i always, that just took the other 3. that's something like 17 presents of the actually gets

to those. so its intended for meaning that 83 percent of this money coming in from us is actually is i've ugly, straight back to the us, always circulating in biloxi, re calling on the right of the country that is coming to. so there was an, i'll just, i just need to wrap up with this. the very, very interesting though a breakdown. yeah. go ahead. yeah. those, those, those very interesting comment that i saw from developmental economics you said for an aide or us for you specifically, is essentially taking money from people, the rich countries, giving it to rich people and poor countries. and i think that stuff pretty much stays at all fascinating at david, pleasure to say you. thanks for breaking all that done with us and nigerian investigative journalist david and dan live on the program. thank you for having a good. well trump's a trump done is stretching as we're hearing all over the globe, including side africa. washington has pledged to quote, cuts off all future funding for pretoria over

a lumber formula. what that allows the confiscation of white farmers land, sometimes without compensation. so now for this president has defended the new york saying it aligns with the countries the constitutional democracy. but the us president, he's not convinced south africa is confiscating land and treating certain classes of people very badly. it is a bad situation that the radical left media doesn't want to so much as mention a massive human rights violation at a minimum is happening for all to see in the united states won't stand for it. we will act all so i will be cutting off all future funding to south africa until a full investigation of the situation has been completed. one would hope that the present time would try to understand the facts and the realities of the situation in south africa. ross is and repeating, disturbing, racially device of talking points of lucky is right now,

but haven't listened to that response from present on the pos in south africa is a constitutional democracy that is deeply rooted in the rule of law, justice and equality. the south african government has not confiscated any land. the recently adopted expropriation act is not a confiscation instrument, but the constitutionally mandated legal process that ensures public access to land in an equitable and just manner as guided by the constitution. south africa like the united states of america and other countries has always had expropriation laws that balance the need for public usage of land and the protection of rights of property owners. we look forward to engaging with the trumpet, ministration, over our land reform policy and issues of bilateral interest. we are certain that out of those engagements, we will share a better and common understanding over these matters. so who's off this 112 se, go way back into so that because colonial cost, when a small, why to minority house power, one crucial way the wife government preserved that power was through

a native land act, which was a lot of the band black people from acquiring agricultural land, beyond se, reserves, the effects of that and as the laws can still be solved, even to this day, office of africa became a majority, black and government tonight. and until one can help. but notice the response from president on my posts at this time being a beat, a rather put muted to compared to how it was between 18 when president trump 1st made such an accurate comments. this is who fears so much for all these for 0 that i don't know what to do with the

to the toner has really changed from that to end in this recent response that i'm a pull us as also clarify that the american aid is a minor part of the country's financial landscape, we do know that that african is a major beneficiary off of you is funding under the emergency plan for a release, and that funding was a really and the suite of the donald trump's freeze on foreign aid across the country or other across the world, but other than that to the prisons office says there is no other significant funding that is provided by the united states in south africa. and i guess the funding part to offer to really promote a reaction from as the leaders in the country, as well as the have to us stuck is it, they don't give us money, let's the minutes. but it is a big hole i'm is. let's say why withdrawn him funding?

no, we're minute as independent and devil with something that we have one, not test back us. and this all coming less than 2 weeks off to present the posts assigned to the new rule, making it easier for the state to expropriate land subject, of course, to save compensation paid for the program or rather be done with also that i forgot is hosting a new plan to extend the rates of the redistribution of land. the plan has of course, a phone issue of protects who, who have condemned to as a policy to sell it to you towards why 5 minutes is not true. and right now the amc really pushing at and try to make it easy for the state to, to take a land in an effort to address a racially, an equal that own this of patches dating back to a pottage and the spice to creep responses from the leaders in the country, the treat has already made some sort of an impact. the countries competency open

the day, quite high of to those who mocks from prison time, which means that it has a several investors already. we read a box and performed in the south african country. okay. it's a more use this. our 5 people have been killed, including a child, as israel continues at the raids on the west bank that coming from the palace to me and helped administrate relatives could be seen gathering at a local cemetery to see all their loved ones and grief. the amount of today we released the bodies from the refrigerators to their families so they could see them before the bearings,

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